Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the refigerator
instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer. Thanks.

On 8/30/2012 5:48 PM, wrote:
> Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the refigerator
> instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer. Thanks.
>


Okay, I'll play. Frozen juice concentrates (lemonade, limeade, orange
juice) are packaged in cardboard containers. I don't know about you but
I don't want to open the refrigerator and find sopping wet cardboard
sitting in a puddle of melted slush. YMMV.



Jill

On Aug 30, 2:49*pm, wrote:
> Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the refigerator
> instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer. Thanks.

I asked on ask.com and got three replies and all three said yes. One
mentioned that the container would get soggy and then leak.

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:48:54 -0400, wrote:

>Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the refigerator
>instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer. Thanks.

Thanks. For whatever reason, I missed the fact that the container is cardboard.
I should know about the sogginess from leaving it out on the counter to soften
up before I mixed it. I'll try to think a llittle more before asking another
question.

wrote:

> For whatever reason, I missed the fact that the container is cardboard.

You could always switch to one that's packaged in plastic.

> wrote in message
...
> Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the
> refigerator
> instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer.
> Thanks.

Yes it needs to be frozen for long term storage. If you are going to use it
in a day or two then you could put it in the fridge.

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:48:54 -0400, wrote:

>Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the refigerator
>instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer. Thanks.


I've kept it in the fridge or up to a week. Could probably stay
longer and be OK. The concentrate is frozen for long shelf life. It
is processed in season and can be kept for a long time until the
consumer needs it.

As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I've kept it in the fridge or up to a week. Could probably stay
> longer and be OK. The concentrate is frozen for long shelf life. It
> is processed in season and can be kept for a long time until the
> consumer needs it.
>
> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.

Aren't those containers lined with foil and plastic film in the inside like
tetrapak? It would be crazy to put liquids in cardboard containers without
some inner lining.

"ViLco" > wrote in message
...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> I've kept it in the fridge or up to a week. Could probably stay
>> longer and be OK. The concentrate is frozen for long shelf life. It
>> is processed in season and can be kept for a long time until the
>> consumer needs it.
>>
>> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.
>
> Aren't those containers lined with foil and plastic film in the inside
> like tetrapak? It would be crazy to put liquids in cardboard containers
> without some inner lining.

Yes.

Julie Bove wrote:

>>> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.

>> Aren't those containers lined with foil and plastic film in the
>> inside like tetrapak? It would be crazy to put liquids in cardboard
>> containers without some inner lining.

> Yes.

So there's no reason to worry about them getting soggy

"ViLco" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>>> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.
>
>>> Aren't those containers lined with foil and plastic film in the
>>> inside like tetrapak? It would be crazy to put liquids in cardboard
>>> containers without some inner lining.
>
>> Yes.
>
> So there's no reason to worry about them getting soggy

Oh they will get soggy. I don't know if they will leak though.

Julie Bove wrote:

>>> Yes.

>> So there's no reason to worry about them getting soggy

> Oh they will get soggy. I don't know if they will leak though.

On this side of the pond, liquids do not get through plastic film and foil
layers. If a cardboard carton gets soggy the options are just two: or they
are not internally lined with film and foil, or they get soggy due to
humidity from the exterior of them. There's no way a liquid can pass through
a tetrapak, and in my experience not a single tetrapak has ever gotten
soggy, not one in 40 years. Check what carboard are those cartons made of

"ViLco" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>>> Yes.
>
>>> So there's no reason to worry about them getting soggy
>
>> Oh they will get soggy. I don't know if they will leak though.
>
> On this side of the pond, liquids do not get through plastic film and foil
> layers. If a cardboard carton gets soggy the options are just two: or they
> are not internally lined with film and foil, or they get soggy due to
> humidity from the exterior of them. There's no way a liquid can pass
> through a tetrapak, and in my experience not a single tetrapak has ever
> gotten soggy, not one in 40 years. Check what carboard are those cartons
> made of

I think the problem would be the ends. Now mind you I haven't bought one
for many years. But the ends are made of metal and you pop one off to get
the contents out. Once thawed I would think it could leak there.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:11:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"ViLco" > wrote in message
...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>
>>>> So there's no reason to worry about them getting soggy
>>
>>> Oh they will get soggy. I don't know if they will leak though.
>>
>> On this side of the pond, liquids do not get through plastic film and foil
>> layers. If a cardboard carton gets soggy the options are just two: or they
>> are not internally lined with film and foil, or they get soggy due to
>> humidity from the exterior of them. There's no way a liquid can pass
>> through a tetrapak, and in my experience not a single tetrapak has ever
>> gotten soggy, not one in 40 years. Check what carboard are those cartons
>> made of
>
>I think the problem would be the ends. Now mind you I haven't bought one
>for many years. But the ends are made of metal and you pop one off to get
>the contents out. Once thawed I would think it could leak there.
>

Never has leaked for me. Many use plastic ends now too.

On Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:53:52 PM UTC-5, Chemo wrote:
> On Aug 30, 3:37*pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > For whatever reason, I missed the fact that the container is cardboard.
>
> >
>
> > You could always switch to one that's packaged in plastic.
>
>
>
> Or just grow a lemon tree.....

According to one source, they're "very pretty and the lemon flower is sweet.."

--Bryan

In article >,
wrote:

> Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the
> refigerator
> instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer.
> Thanks.

My rule is to store things in the same manner in which they are sold.
I.e., produce from the refrigerated section, refrigerated; produce sold
at room temp, at room temp; frozen food, frozen. The high amount of
sugar in the lemonade concentrate means it doesn't usually freeze very
solid -- and if it does, it takes not much time for it to thaw for
mixing. My fi'ty cents.
--
Barb,
http://www.barbschaller.com, as of July 25, 2012

On 31/08/2012 6:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> I think the problem would be the ends. Now mind you I haven't bought one
>> for many years. But the ends are made of metal and you pop one off to get
>> the contents out. Once thawed I would think it could leak there.
>>
>
> Never has leaked for me. Many use plastic ends now too.
>



Contemporary disclaimer here... I have not bought a can of frozen juice
concentrate in years. However, I have in the past, and it seems to me
that the major problem was that, while he inside was well sealed, the
frozen contents led to serious condensation on the outside, and it was
that outside moisture penetrating the the wrapping that compromised the
strength of the tube.

Sqwertz wrote:

>> Aren't those containers lined with foil and plastic film in the
>> inside like tetrapak? It would be crazy to put liquids in cardboard
>> containers without some inner lining.

> They have a thin, waxy-plastic coating on the inside, but that's
> usually it. It's not meant to be a sterile packaging like TetraPak
> since it's kept frozen.

Horrible, and only to save the license money to Tetrapak... here those
containers would be out of the market in a month

Sqwertz wrote:

>> Horrible, and only to save the license money to Tetrapak... here
>> those containers would be out of the market in a month

> They work for what they do. Been that way since the 40's when FCOJ
> was invented. TetraPaks have a bad reputation here for filling up the
> landfills.

Tetrapak *is* recyclable, in fact it *is* recycled in most of Europe
including Italy, so if it ends filling up the landfills the issue is in the
recycling system

> That doesn't stop some manufacturers from putting kids
> drinks in them where the packaging costs more than the contents. AKA
> Juice Boxes.

Here lots of things are in tetrapak, from beans (tetrapak boxed instead of
canned) to OJ to broth to almost everything liquid.

On 31/08/2012 8:55 PM, Bryan wrote:
> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:53:52 PM UTC-5, Chemo wrote:
>> On Aug 30, 3:37 pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> For whatever reason, I missed the fact that the container is cardboard.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> You could always switch to one that's packaged in plastic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Or just grow a lemon tree.....
>
> According to one source, they're "very pretty and the lemon flower is sweet.."
>
> --Bryan
>
Hey, those lyrics are from a track called "Lemon Tree" on the album,
"Dish of the Day" by Fools Garden. I heard the track on the internet,
liked it so I bought the album in, of all places, Bangkok, Thailand.

In case you hadn't noticed, I have a rather eclectic taste in music.

Another oddity is an album by G Wayne Thomas. He produced a self titled
album with very good tracks on it. I like them all without exception.
I first heard it in the early 70s and didn't find a Vinyl LP until after
haunting used record stores for nigh on 30 years. When I had one in my
hot little hands, I had it professionally mastered to CD. They have
rereleased a remastered version of the album now on CD so I bought one
of those as well. The only one of the tracks that ever became popular
was "Open Up Your Heart" and that because it was part of the sound track
on a surf movie known as "Crystal Voyager".

OB food...

We don't have a lemon tree but a lot of our friends and neighbours have
them. Since a lot of what my wife prepares requires lemon, those we
obtain are squeezed and the juice stored in special "Ice Cube Bags"


We use these;

http://tinyurl.com/9dyjxmp

Here's what they look like with the lemon juice in them.

http://tinyurl.com/9loslc6

The tops on the ones we use self seal when inverted. This will show you
what they look like when full.

http://tinyurl.com/9eelfoo


--

Krypsis

Krypsis > wrote:

>On 31/08/2012 8:55 PM, Bryan wrote:

-snip-
>> According to one source, they're "very pretty and the lemon flower is sweet.."
>>
>> --Bryan
>>
>Hey, those lyrics are from a track called "Lemon Tree" on the album,
>"Dish of the Day" by Fools Garden. I heard the track on the internet,
>liked it so I bought the album in, of all places, Bangkok, Thailand.

How young *are* you? Peter Paul and Mary sang those lyrics in the
60s -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLhYghzNfII Most recently that I
remember it was on a Seinfeld episode [or was it Cheers?].

>
>In case you hadn't noticed, I have a rather eclectic taste in music.

Not bad-- but I'll stick with PP&M.<g>

-snip-
>
>OB food...
>
>We don't have a lemon tree but a lot of our friends and neighbours have
>them. Since a lot of what my wife prepares requires lemon, those we
>obtain are squeezed and the juice stored in special "Ice Cube Bags"
>
>
>We use these;
>
>http://tinyurl.com/9dyjxmp
>
>Here's what they look like with the lemon juice in them.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/9loslc6
>
>The tops on the ones we use self seal when inverted. This will show you
>what they look like when full.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/9eelfoo

I never noticed *them* before. No desire to run out an buy any--
but I'm bound to think of something to use them for someday.

Jim

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:55:52 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:37:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.
>
>Either have I. It get soft, but doesn't leak. I open partially
>thawed juice concentrates and just make a glass at a time, leaving the
>rest in the fridge. Then use it over the next couple days.

That's typical illogical squirtz BS. Normal brained folks would mix
the entire itty bitty can for a beverage and store that the fridge,
NOT mix up one glass at a time... odds are sqwertz has never used
frozen juice.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:49:12 +0200, "ViLco" > wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> I've kept it in the fridge or up to a week. Could probably stay
>> longer and be OK. The concentrate is frozen for long shelf life. It
>> is processed in season and can be kept for a long time until the
>> consumer needs it.
>>
>> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.
>
>Aren't those containers lined with foil and plastic film in the inside like
>tetrapak? It would be crazy to put liquids in cardboard containers without
>some inner lining.

This is true, but still when refilled and refrozen a couple three
times they tend to leak where crimped at the metal bottom. Even if
someone needed some frozen concentrate to use as flavoring in a
recipe, ie. lemon cake, they still would mix the remainder with water
to use as a beverage... it's not like those itty bitty cans make up
gallons.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:10:37 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> wrote:
>
>> Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the
>> refigerator
>> instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer.
>> Thanks.
>
>My rule is to store things in the same manner in which they are sold.
>I.e., produce from the refrigerated section, refrigerated; produce sold
>at room temp, at room temp; frozen food, frozen. The high amount of
>sugar in the lemonade concentrate means it doesn't usually freeze very
>solid -- and if it does, it takes not much time for it to thaw for
>mixing. My fi'ty cents.

Frozen juices are packaged in itty bitty cans because folks mix the
entire amount at once, no one uses frozen concentrate to make one
serving at a time... even if I needed some concentrate for a recipe I
still would mix the remainder with water, and vodka... (preservative!)
Btw, tinned foods (once opened) should not be stored in their tin,
transfer to glass or plastic. I once saved up a bunch of frozen juice
concentrate cardboard cans for making ice pops, most can only be used
once as during freezing the crimp at the metal bottom opens.

On 31/08/2012 5:49 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:55:52 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:37:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.
>>
>> Either have I. It get soft, but doesn't leak. I open partially
>> thawed juice concentrates and just make a glass at a time, leaving the
>> rest in the fridge. Then use it over the next couple days.
>
> That's typical illogical squirtz BS. Normal brained folks would mix
> the entire itty bitty can for a beverage and store that the fridge,
> NOT mix up one glass at a time... odds are sqwertz has never used
> frozen juice.
>


I am relatively normal. We have an open can of orange juice concentrate
in the freezer. Neither my wife nor I drink orange juice, but we
sometimes need some for a recipe, usually the one for orange oven fried
chicken. That calls for some concentrate to be mixed with eggs for
dipping before the crumbs.

On 1/09/2012 1:35 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> Krypsis > wrote:
>
>> On 31/08/2012 8:55 PM, Bryan wrote:
>
> -snip-
>>> According to one source, they're "very pretty and the lemon flower is sweet.."
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>>
>> Hey, those lyrics are from a track called "Lemon Tree" on the album,
>> "Dish of the Day" by Fools Garden. I heard the track on the internet,
>> liked it so I bought the album in, of all places, Bangkok, Thailand.
>
> How young *are* you?
>
Young at heart only it would seem! ;-)
>
Peter Paul and Mary sang those lyrics in the
> 60s -
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLhYghzNfII Most recently that I
> remember it was on a Seinfeld episode [or was it Cheers?].
>
Same song title, different tune, different lyrics. I was mixing them up.
That's what comes from staying up late and posting when you're young at
heart but old of body.

http://tinyurl.com/agpolc

Above is the URL for the lyrics to the version by Fool's Garden.
>>
>> In case you hadn't noticed, I have a rather eclectic taste in music.
>
> Not bad-- but I'll stick with PP&M.<g>
>
> -snip-
>>
>> OB food...
>>
>> We don't have a lemon tree but a lot of our friends and neighbours have
>> them. Since a lot of what my wife prepares requires lemon, those we
>> obtain are squeezed and the juice stored in special "Ice Cube Bags"
>>
>>
>> We use these;
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/9dyjxmp
>>
>> Here's what they look like with the lemon juice in them.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/9loslc6
>>
>> The tops on the ones we use self seal when inverted. This will show you
>> what they look like when full.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/9eelfoo
>
> I never noticed *them* before. No desire to run out an buy any--
> but I'm bound to think of something to use them for someday.
>
> Jim
>


--

Krypsis

On 8/31/2012 11:20 AM, Krypsis wrote:

> Here's what they look like with the lemon juice in them.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9loslc6

I've never seen those but I'll have to look for them.

On 1/09/2012 12:48 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 8/31/2012 11:20 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>
>> Here's what they look like with the lemon juice in them.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/9loslc6
>
> I've never seen those but I'll have to look for them.

The big advantage is that you can rip off as many or as few cubes as you
need on any given occasion. They also fold up so are easier to store in
small remnants of space in a freezer than an ice cube tray.

--

Krypsis

On 8/31/2012 4:33 AM, ViLco wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>>> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.
>
>>> Aren't those containers lined with foil and plastic film in the
>>> inside like tetrapak? It would be crazy to put liquids in cardboard
>>> containers without some inner lining.
>
>> Yes.
>
> So there's no reason to worry about them getting soggy
>
>
Considering I haven't purchased frozen (any) juice concentrate in at
least 20 years, I never thought about there being an additional lining.
Lining or not, since I don't dole out spoonfuls of juice at a time I'd
keep it frozen until ready to mix with water. But then, I don't cook
with lemonade

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/31/2012 4:33 AM, ViLco wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>>> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.
>>
>>>> Aren't those containers lined with foil and plastic film in the
>>>> inside like tetrapak? It would be crazy to put liquids in cardboard
>>>> containers without some inner lining.
>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> So there's no reason to worry about them getting soggy
>>
>>
> Considering I haven't purchased frozen (any) juice concentrate in at
> least 20 years, I never thought about there being an additional
> lining. Lining or not, since I don't dole out spoonfuls of juice at a
> time I'd keep it frozen until ready to mix with water. But then, I
> don't cook with lemonade
>
> Jill
So you realize you should have STFU instead of posting...

Nobody's probably going to read this but this poor lady was asking about me being kept in the fridge for a long period of time and everybody just talked about the can leaking but it is on the inside and I had mine in the fridge for a month and that's fine, but they always say keep frozen so I was just wondering if it was safe to drink after mixing it up being side out for so long.