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Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please?
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Farm1 wrote:
> Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? Isn't that the same stuff as reduced-fat imitation mayo? |
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"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
... > Farm1 wrote: > >> Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? > > Isn't that the same stuff as reduced-fat imitation mayo? I have no idea George since I've only ever tried it once. That was Heinz Salad Cream and it sat in my fridge for some time before I threw it out. I'd bought it for a recipe which I didn't make because the Heinz product was so nasty but it occured to me that it once may have been a home made salad dressing that Mr Heinz decided to reproduce commercially and, IMO, does very poorly. I have found a couple of recipe in Fannie Farmer but not in any local cookbooks so perhaps it is a traditional American recipe?????? I ntoice that resposne have'nt come in fast and furious so perhaps I should just try one of the FF recipes to see if it suits. |
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On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 11:38:37 +1000, "Farm1" >
wrote: > I have found a couple of recipe in Fannie Farmer but not in any local > cookbooks so perhaps it is a traditional American recipe?????? > I've always assumed it was a foreign product, probably British (but maybe Australian), because the only time I've seen it mentioned is on usenet. > I ntoice > that resposne have'nt come in fast and furious so perhaps I should just try > one of the FF recipes to see if it suits. -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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![]() "Farm1" > wrote in message ... > "George M. Middius" > wrote in message > ... >> Farm1 wrote: >> >>> Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? >> >> Isn't that the same stuff as reduced-fat imitation mayo? > > I have no idea George since I've only ever tried it once. That was Heinz > Salad Cream and it sat in my fridge for some time before I threw it out. > > I'd bought it for a recipe which I didn't make because the Heinz product > was so nasty but it occured to me that it once may have been a home made > salad dressing that Mr Heinz decided to reproduce commercially and, IMO, > does very poorly. > > I have found a couple of recipe in Fannie Farmer but not in any local > cookbooks so perhaps it is a traditional American recipe?????? I ntoice > that resposne have'nt come in fast and furious so perhaps I should just > try one of the FF recipes to see if it suits. The cookbook that came with Kenwood mixers had a recipe IIRC. Mind you, it had mustard in it so it probably ended up tasting like heinz's. |
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"sf" > wrote in message
... > On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 11:38:37 +1000, "Farm1" > > wrote: > >> I have found a couple of recipe in Fannie Farmer but not in any local >> cookbooks so perhaps it is a traditional American recipe?????? >> > I've always assumed it was a foreign product, probably British (but > maybe Australian), because the only time I've seen it mentioned is on > usenet. That's interesting. If it was an Aussie dressing I'm sure it'd be in my cookbooks, especillayt he older ones somewhere and so far, no luck there. I'd assumed that because it was a Heinz product that it might be an older American recipe. Now I'm wondering if Heinz is a British company. But then salad is not what comes to mind when I think of British food and certainly not any form of salad dressing. You do realise that you've piqued my curiosity yet again and now I'm going to have to start another hunt to satisfy my curiosity? Last night's hunt for info on Leonidas and the Hot Gates. Boned up on that so now I need something new to learn about so it may as well be salad cream and it's origins. |
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So far as I know salad cream is a commercial product, most
commonly found in the British Isles, and I have never heard of anyone making it at home. Probably, no attempt at a home-made salad cream could come out as utterly bad as the store-bought product is expected to be, so why bother. To those of us in North America, it resembles a slightly less thick Miracle Whip. Truly atrocoius stuff. Steve |
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"graham" > wrote in message
> "Farm1" > wrote in message > ... >> "George M. Middius" > wrote in message >> ... >>> Farm1 wrote: >>> >>>> Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? >>> >>> Isn't that the same stuff as reduced-fat imitation mayo? >> >> I have no idea George since I've only ever tried it once. That was Heinz >> Salad Cream and it sat in my fridge for some time before I threw it out. >> >> I'd bought it for a recipe which I didn't make because the Heinz product >> was so nasty but it occured to me that it once may have been a home made >> salad dressing that Mr Heinz decided to reproduce commercially and, IMO, >> does very poorly. >> >> I have found a couple of recipe in Fannie Farmer but not in any local >> cookbooks so perhaps it is a traditional American recipe?????? I ntoice >> that resposne have'nt come in fast and furious so perhaps I should just >> try one of the FF recipes to see if it suits. > The cookbook that came with Kenwood mixers had a recipe IIRC. Mind you, it > had mustard in it so it probably ended up tasting like heinz's. Thank you Graham. I'll check it out if I can find my kenwood book. Since Kenwood is a UK brand perhaps sf is right about it being a UK recipe. |
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On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:08:07 +1000, "Farm1" >
wrote: > "sf" > wrote in message > ... > > On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 11:38:37 +1000, "Farm1" > > > wrote: > > > >> I have found a couple of recipe in Fannie Farmer but not in any local > >> cookbooks so perhaps it is a traditional American recipe?????? > >> > > I've always assumed it was a foreign product, probably British (but > > maybe Australian), because the only time I've seen it mentioned is on > > usenet. > > That's interesting. If it was an Aussie dressing I'm sure it'd be in my > cookbooks, especillayt he older ones somewhere and so far, no luck there. > I'd assumed that because it was a Heinz product that it might be an older > American recipe. Now I'm wondering if Heinz is a British company. But > then salad is not what comes to mind when I think of British food and > certainly not any form of salad dressing. > > You do realise that you've piqued my curiosity yet again and now I'm going > to have to start another hunt to satisfy my curiosity? Last night's hunt > for info on Leonidas and the Hot Gates. Boned up on that so now I need > something new to learn about so it may as well be salad cream and it's > origins. > Heh. Sorry... OTOH, the internet is a wonderful place. ![]() -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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![]() "Farm1" wrote in message ... Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? ------------------ Cornish Salad Cream 1 1/2 Tblsp Flour 3 Tblsp Sugar 1 Tblsp Butter 1 egg 1 Pt Milk 1/2 Pt White Vinegar 1/2 tsp Black Pepper 1/2 tsp Salt 1 Tblsp Dry Mustard Powder 1 Tsp Anchovy Essence Mix all in a blender, gently bring to boil and simmer for a few minutes. IK |
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Farm1 wrote:
> "graham" > wrote in message >> "Farm1" > wrote in message >> ... >>> "George M. Middius" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> Farm1 wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? >>>> Isn't that the same stuff as reduced-fat imitation mayo? >>> I have no idea George since I've only ever tried it once. That was Heinz >>> Salad Cream and it sat in my fridge for some time before I threw it out. >>> >>> I'd bought it for a recipe which I didn't make because the Heinz product >>> was so nasty but it occured to me that it once may have been a home made >>> salad dressing that Mr Heinz decided to reproduce commercially and, IMO, >>> does very poorly. >>> >>> I have found a couple of recipe in Fannie Farmer but not in any local >>> cookbooks so perhaps it is a traditional American recipe?????? I ntoice >>> that resposne have'nt come in fast and furious so perhaps I should just >>> try one of the FF recipes to see if it suits. >> The cookbook that came with Kenwood mixers had a recipe IIRC. Mind you, it >> had mustard in it so it probably ended up tasting like heinz's. > > Thank you Graham. I'll check it out if I can find my kenwood book. Since > Kenwood is a UK brand perhaps sf is right about it being a UK recipe. > > I can probably look through some Kenwood booklets tomorrow, if you would like me to. (I've been sorting ephemera, so they should be findable.) Oh, looking back, I see you want a TNT recipe. Any that I find would not be. -- Jean B. |
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"Jean B." > wrote in message
> Farm1 wrote: >> "graham" > wrote in message >>> "Farm1" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> "George M. Middius" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> Farm1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? >>>>> Isn't that the same stuff as reduced-fat imitation mayo? >>>> I have no idea George since I've only ever tried it once. That was >>>> Heinz Salad Cream and it sat in my fridge for some time before I threw >>>> it out. >>>> >>>> I'd bought it for a recipe which I didn't make because the Heinz >>>> product was so nasty but it occured to me that it once may have been a >>>> home made salad dressing that Mr Heinz decided to reproduce >>>> commercially and, IMO, does very poorly. >>>> >>>> I have found a couple of recipe in Fannie Farmer but not in any local >>>> cookbooks so perhaps it is a traditional American recipe?????? I >>>> ntoice that resposne have'nt come in fast and furious so perhaps I >>>> should just try one of the FF recipes to see if it suits. >>> The cookbook that came with Kenwood mixers had a recipe IIRC. Mind you, >>> it had mustard in it so it probably ended up tasting like heinz's. >> >> Thank you Graham. I'll check it out if I can find my kenwood book. >> Since >> Kenwood is a UK brand perhaps sf is right about it being a UK >> recipe. > I can probably look through some Kenwood booklets tomorrow, if you would > like me to. (I've been sorting ephemera, so they should be findable.) Well Jean, I dug out my Kenwood book which came with my machine decades ago and there is no Salad Cream recipe there. when I looked to see where it was printd, it's an austrlaian book because ti only has the Aussie service places. I guess they modified it for our market. > Oh, looking back, I see you want a TNT recipe. Any that I find would not > be. Actually at this stage I'll give any recipe for ti a try out. So far I've only found 2 recipes in Fannie Farmer and 1 in "The Enchanted Broccoli Forest" (as in Moosewood Restaurant, Ithaca, NY) called 'Creamy Mustard' which must be failry close, and, would you believe, 1 in Larousse but it's not thick like the Heinz Salad cream - it's a very liquid dressing. |
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"Ian Kane" > wrote in message
... > > > "Farm1" wrote in message ... > Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? > ------------------ > > > Cornish Salad Cream > > 1 1/2 Tblsp Flour > 3 Tblsp Sugar > 1 Tblsp Butter > 1 egg > 1 Pt Milk > 1/2 Pt White Vinegar > 1/2 tsp Black Pepper > 1/2 tsp Salt > 1 Tblsp Dry Mustard Powder > 1 Tsp Anchovy Essence > > > Mix all in a blender, gently bring to boil and simmer for a few minutes. Yipee! Thank you Ian. It sounds like it might end up being of the sort of consistency of the Heinz Salad Cream and those ingredients might even taste like a decent dressing should. |
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"sf" > wrote in message "Farm1" >
> wrote: >> You do realise that you've piqued my curiosity yet again and now I'm >> going >> to have to start another hunt to satisfy my curiosity? Last night's hunt >> for info on Leonidas and the Hot Gates. Boned up on that so now I need >> >> something new to learn about so it may as well be salad cream and it's >> origins. >> > Heh. Sorry... OTOH, the internet is a wonderful place. ![]() It surely is. It has one huge drwback though and that is the tiem it takes. Once I start using it, I find myself, hours later, a million gazillion miles from where I started and I've found out all sorts of weird and wonderful things that I never knew I really needed to know. |
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If anyone is interested, in a google hunt I found this recipe:
http://www.gastronomydomine.com/?p=345 Interestingly enough, that recipe is close to the Fannie Farmer recipes however they differ in FF using a fresh egg and the online recipe using a hard boiled egg. I also found that apparently Heinz invented Salad Cream especially for the UK market in the 1920s so sf was quite right (although now i'm wondering why ti was that FF has 2 recipes for it) apparently Mr Heinz product contains far less fat than a normal salad dressing. |
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:45:35 +1000, "Farm1" >
wrote: > Actually at this stage I'll give any recipe for ti a try out. So far I've > only found 2 recipes in Fannie Farmer and 1 in "The Enchanted Broccoli > Forest" (as in Moosewood Restaurant, Ithaca, NY) called 'Creamy Mustard' > which must be failry close, and, would you believe, 1 in Larousse but it's > not thick like the Heinz Salad cream - it's a very liquid dressing. Have you used Google with the term "salad cream recipe uk"? I'm not going to list any sites because I am having a hard time imagining what salad cream is after I read the first recipe (which called for hard boiled eggs). -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:48:28 +1000, "Farm1" >
wrote: > "Ian Kane" > wrote in message > ... > > > > > > "Farm1" wrote in message ... > > Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? > > ------------------ > > > > > > Cornish Salad Cream > > > > 1 1/2 Tblsp Flour > > 3 Tblsp Sugar > > 1 Tblsp Butter > > 1 egg > > 1 Pt Milk > > 1/2 Pt White Vinegar > > 1/2 tsp Black Pepper > > 1/2 tsp Salt > > 1 Tblsp Dry Mustard Powder > > 1 Tsp Anchovy Essence > > > > > > Mix all in a blender, gently bring to boil and simmer for a few minutes. > > Yipee! Thank you Ian. It sounds like it might end up being of the sort of > consistency of the Heinz Salad Cream and those ingredients might even taste > like a decent dressing should. > Do you know where to find Anchovy Essence in Australia or would you substitute Worcestershire sauce? -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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Farm1 wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in message >> Farm1 wrote: >>> "graham" > wrote in message >>>> "Farm1" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> "George M. Middius" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> Farm1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? >>>>>> Isn't that the same stuff as reduced-fat imitation mayo? >>>>> I have no idea George since I've only ever tried it once. That was >>>>> Heinz Salad Cream and it sat in my fridge for some time before I threw >>>>> it out. >>>>> >>>>> I'd bought it for a recipe which I didn't make because the Heinz >>>>> product was so nasty but it occured to me that it once may have been a >>>>> home made salad dressing that Mr Heinz decided to reproduce >>>>> commercially and, IMO, does very poorly. >>>>> >>>>> I have found a couple of recipe in Fannie Farmer but not in any local >>>>> cookbooks so perhaps it is a traditional American recipe?????? I >>>>> ntoice that resposne have'nt come in fast and furious so perhaps I >>>>> should just try one of the FF recipes to see if it suits. >>>> The cookbook that came with Kenwood mixers had a recipe IIRC. Mind you, >>>> it had mustard in it so it probably ended up tasting like heinz's. >>> Thank you Graham. I'll check it out if I can find my kenwood book. >>> Since >> Kenwood is a UK brand perhaps sf is right about it being a UK >>> recipe. >> I can probably look through some Kenwood booklets tomorrow, if you would >> like me to. (I've been sorting ephemera, so they should be findable.) > > Well Jean, I dug out my Kenwood book which came with my machine decades ago > and there is no Salad Cream recipe there. when I looked to see where it was > printd, it's an austrlaian book because ti only has the Aussie service > places. I guess they modified it for our market. > >> Oh, looking back, I see you want a TNT recipe. Any that I find would not >> be. > > Actually at this stage I'll give any recipe for ti a try out. So far I've > only found 2 recipes in Fannie Farmer and 1 in "The Enchanted Broccoli > Forest" (as in Moosewood Restaurant, Ithaca, NY) called 'Creamy Mustard' > which must be failry close, and, would you believe, 1 in Larousse but it's > not thick like the Heinz Salad cream - it's a very liquid dressing. > > What characteristics are you looking for? I can find so many recipes for this.... -- Jean B. |
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Farm1 wrote:
> "Ian Kane" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Farm1" wrote in message ... >> Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? >> ------------------ >> >> >> Cornish Salad Cream >> >> 1 1/2 Tblsp Flour >> 3 Tblsp Sugar >> 1 Tblsp Butter >> 1 egg >> 1 Pt Milk >> 1/2 Pt White Vinegar >> 1/2 tsp Black Pepper >> 1/2 tsp Salt >> 1 Tblsp Dry Mustard Powder >> 1 Tsp Anchovy Essence >> >> >> Mix all in a blender, gently bring to boil and simmer for a few minutes. > > Yipee! Thank you Ian. It sounds like it might end up being of the sort of > consistency of the Heinz Salad Cream and those ingredients might even taste > like a decent dressing should. > > I am surprised to see the anchovy essence in it. That strikes me as unusual (but that is, of course, from a USian perspective). -- Jean B. |
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Farm1 wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message "Farm1" > >> wrote: > >>> You do realise that you've piqued my curiosity yet again and now I'm >>> going >>> to have to start another hunt to satisfy my curiosity? Last night's hunt >>> for info on Leonidas and the Hot Gates. Boned up on that so now I need >>> >> something new to learn about so it may as well be salad cream and it's >>> origins. >>> >> Heh. Sorry... OTOH, the internet is a wonderful place. ![]() > > It surely is. It has one huge drwback though and that is the tiem it takes. > Once I start using it, I find myself, hours later, a million gazillion miles > from where I started and I've found out all sorts of weird and wonderful > things that I never knew I really needed to know. > > BTDT many many times. -- Jean B. |
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Farm1 wrote:
> If anyone is interested, in a google hunt I found this recipe: > http://www.gastronomydomine.com/?p=345 > > Interestingly enough, that recipe is close to the Fannie Farmer recipes > however they differ in FF using a fresh egg and the online recipe using a > hard boiled egg. > > I also found that apparently Heinz invented Salad Cream especially for the > UK market in the 1920s so sf was quite right (although now i'm wondering why > ti was that FF has 2 recipes for it) apparently Mr Heinz product contains > far less fat than a normal salad dressing. > > Heinz could have invented a specific salad cream for the UK market, but salad cream existed before then. -- Jean B. |
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On Sep 1, 9:28*pm, "Farm1" > wrote:
> Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? It was very popular in England in the 1950s and 1960s. It came in a bottle made by Heinz. It's also disgusting. Anyone who wants to make it must be nuts. http://www.richardfisher.com |
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On Sep 5, 12:22*pm, wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person > > > wrote: > >On Sep 1, 9:28*pm, "Farm1" > wrote: > >> Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? > > >It was very popular in England in the 1950s and 1960s. *It came in a > >bottle made by Heinz. *It's also disgusting. *Anyone who wants to make > >it must be nuts. > > >http://www.richardfisher.com > > Far better than Miracle Whip ! So is a poke in the eye with a sharp stick! http://www.richardfisher.com |
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"sf" > wrote in message
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:48:28 +1000, "Farm1" > > wrote: > >> "Ian Kane" > wrote in message >> ... >> > >> > >> > "Farm1" wrote in message ... >> > Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? >> > ------------------ >> > >> > >> > Cornish Salad Cream >> > >> > 1 1/2 Tblsp Flour >> > 3 Tblsp Sugar >> > 1 Tblsp Butter >> > 1 egg >> > 1 Pt Milk >> > 1/2 Pt White Vinegar >> > 1/2 tsp Black Pepper >> > 1/2 tsp Salt >> > 1 Tblsp Dry Mustard Powder >> > 1 Tsp Anchovy Essence >> > >> > >> > Mix all in a blender, gently bring to boil and simmer for a few >> > minutes. >> >> Yipee! Thank you Ian. It sounds like it might end up being of the sort >> of >> consistency of the Heinz Salad Cream and those ingredients might even >> taste >> like a decent dressing should. >> > Do you know where to find Anchovy Essence in Australia or would you > substitute Worcestershire sauce? Yep, I sure do know where to buy it but I'm pretty sure it's called anchovy sauce here. At least that is what I would use. And I certainly wouldn't substitute Worcestershire sauce for it as that's not the same thing at all. |
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"Jean B." > wrote in message
... > Farm1 wrote: >> "Ian Kane" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "Farm1" wrote in message ... >>> Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? >>> ------------------ >>> >>> >>> Cornish Salad Cream >>> >>> 1 1/2 Tblsp Flour >>> 3 Tblsp Sugar >>> 1 Tblsp Butter >>> 1 egg >>> 1 Pt Milk >>> 1/2 Pt White Vinegar >>> 1/2 tsp Black Pepper >>> 1/2 tsp Salt >>> 1 Tblsp Dry Mustard Powder >>> 1 Tsp Anchovy Essence >>> >>> >>> Mix all in a blender, gently bring to boil and simmer for a few minutes. >> >> Yipee! Thank you Ian. It sounds like it might end up being of the sort >> of consistency of the Heinz Salad Cream and those ingredients might even >> taste like a decent dressing should. > I am surprised to see the anchovy essence in it. That strikes me as > unusual (but that is, of course, from a USian perspective). It's only a tspn and it should add some piquancy but in all that vinegar, might not. Maybe it should be more than a tspn. |
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"Jean B." > wrote in message
> Farm1 wrote: >> "sf" > wrote in message "Farm1" > >>> wrote: >> >>>> You do realise that you've piqued my curiosity yet again and now I'm >>>> going >>>> to have to start another hunt to satisfy my curiosity? Last night's >>>> hunt >>>> for info on Leonidas and the Hot Gates. Boned up on that so now I need >>>> >> something new to learn about so it may as well be salad cream and >>>> it's >>>> origins. >>>> >>> Heh. Sorry... OTOH, the internet is a wonderful place. ![]() >> >> It surely is. It has one huge drwback though and that is the tiem it >> takes. Once I start using it, I find myself, hours later, a million >> gazillion miles from where I started and I've found out all sorts of >> weird and wonderful things that I never knew I really needed to know. > BTDT many many times. LOL. |
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"Jean B." > wrote in message
... > Farm1 wrote: >> If anyone is interested, in a google hunt I found this recipe: >> http://www.gastronomydomine.com/?p=345 >> >> Interestingly enough, that recipe is close to the Fannie Farmer recipes >> however they differ in FF using a fresh egg and the online recipe using a >> hard boiled egg. >> >> I also found that apparently Heinz invented Salad Cream especially for >> the UK market in the 1920s so sf was quite right (although now i'm >> wondering why ti was that FF has 2 recipes for it) apparently Mr Heinz >> product contains far less fat than a normal salad dressing. > Heinz could have invented a specific salad cream for the UK market, but > salad cream existed before then. Yep. Otherwise Fannie Farmer wouldn't have had it in her book. And I wonder if the original Heinz one was as foul as the current version. Surely not or in that era, when peeps were closer to how food was really produced than we are today, the product probalby wouldn't have survived. |
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"Helpful person" > wrote in message
... On Sep 1, 9:28 pm, "Farm1" > wrote: > Does any one have a tried and true recipe for Salad Cream please? It was very popular in England in the 1950s and 1960s. It came in a bottle made by Heinz. It's also disgusting. Anyone who wants to make it must be nuts. _____________________ Oh look! School's out. |
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> > It surely is. It has one huge drwback though and that is the tiem it takes. > Once I start using it, I find myself, hours later, a million gazillion miles > from where I started and I've found out all sorts of weird and wonderful > things that I never knew I really needed to know. Ah, you found the salad cream wet T-shirt competitions. |
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![]() "Farm1" > wrote in message ... > "Jean B." > wrote in message > ... >> Farm1 wrote: >>> If anyone is interested, in a google hunt I found this recipe: >>> http://www.gastronomydomine.com/?p=345 >>> >>> Interestingly enough, that recipe is close to the Fannie Farmer recipes >>> however they differ in FF using a fresh egg and the online recipe using >>> a hard boiled egg. >>> >>> I also found that apparently Heinz invented Salad Cream especially for >>> the UK market in the 1920s so sf was quite right (although now i'm >>> wondering why ti was that FF has 2 recipes for it) apparently Mr Heinz >>> product contains far less fat than a normal salad dressing. >> Heinz could have invented a specific salad cream for the UK market, but >> salad cream existed before then. > > Yep. Otherwise Fannie Farmer wouldn't have had it in her book. And I > wonder if the original Heinz one was as foul as the current version. > Surely not or in that era, when peeps were closer to how food was really > produced than we are today, the product probalby wouldn't have survived. > I have to admit to being brought up on Heinz salad cream and I still like it and buy it from the local "gourmet shop" but a quick search of Google auk found this http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&gs_nf...c93daecb32ac40 and the one I liked the look of was the 2nd choice here http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...4050001AA5liSt Mike |
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