Found a link for ya. They never give out expired food.

http://voices.yahoo.com/food-banks-s...992.html?cat=7

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 02:04:49 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Found a link for ya. They never give out expired food.
>
>http://voices.yahoo.com/food-banks-s...992.html?cat=7

Maybe in the rectum of Texass they do. Where I live the food banks
will only need to toss expired food donations into their trash. The
fellow who gave me the TastyKake told that the food banks won't take
the products that haven't quite expired yet, if they have a week or
less to go he has to trash them because they will certainly expire
before they can be distributed, and also they don't want them as they
are considered too unhealthful. The stupidmarkets here do sell baked
goods one day past their sell-by date at half price, and I know that
one of the local senior centers receives baked goods from local
bakeries that the members can help themselves to all they want for a
$1 donation. But any foods that are factory packaged can't be
accepted by food banks when expired or close to the expiration date.
Here's a small sampling of TastyKakes so you can see the dates and you
can see how ridiculously expensive for what they a
http://i48.tinypic.com/du2pz.jpg

On 2012-09-04, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> before they can be distributed, and also they don't want them as they
> are considered too unhealthful.

You actually believe such nonsense??

Sell/use/eat dates are complete bullshit producers have invented to
cover their ass. I see a use-date on a can of Budweiser and larf my
ass off. That beer couldn't possibly taste any worse 2 yrs from now
than is will 5 seconds after purchase. Canned goods --udented and/or
un-rusted-- are typically good for a leat 5 yrs. Dried beans, bag o'
sugar, etc, likewise. But these all have sell/use-by dates so
producers/retailers won't get their deep-pocket asses sued off by
money-grubbing dirtbags that will find any excuse to hire a shyster
lawyer. Yes, things with some oil content, like nuts, grains, flours,
cakes mixes, cereals, etc, will go stale. But, you can be damn sure
they will last much longer in their almost-impossible-to-open packages
than that nonsense sell/use-by date. The food distribution centers
are no different. Jes cuz they are non-profit doesn't mean some
dirtbag homeless person won't go after 'em if they smell $$$. They
know it.

OTOH, some of these charitable orgs are getting a bit high-handed. I
recall one journalist in the SFBA wrote an article beseeching
contributors to not give dried beans or canned meat or tomato paste.
They wanted things like canned chili or canned stew. Apparently, the
folks running the soup kitchens were dumber'n a bag o' hair and wanted
pre-processed foods they didn't hafta prepare. I gave 'em a case of
spam and a 50lb bag of dried pinto beans. Cook or starve, ******s!

nb

--
Definition of objectivism:
"Eff you! I got mine."
http://www.nongmoproject.org/

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2012-09-04, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> before they can be distributed, and also they don't want them as they
>> are considered too unhealthful.
>
> You actually believe such nonsense??
>
> Sell/use/eat dates are complete bullshit producers have invented to
> cover their ass. I see a use-date on a can of Budweiser and larf my
> ass off. That beer couldn't possibly taste any worse 2 yrs from now
> than is will 5 seconds after purchase. Canned goods --udented and/or
> un-rusted-- are typically good for a leat 5 yrs. Dried beans, bag o'
> sugar, etc, likewise. But these all have sell/use-by dates so
> producers/retailers won't get their deep-pocket asses sued off by
> money-grubbing dirtbags that will find any excuse to hire a shyster
> lawyer. Yes, things with some oil content, like nuts, grains, flours,
> cakes mixes, cereals, etc, will go stale. But, you can be damn sure
> they will last much longer in their almost-impossible-to-open packages
> than that nonsense sell/use-by date. The food distribution centers
> are no different. Jes cuz they are non-profit doesn't mean some
> dirtbag homeless person won't go after 'em if they smell $$$. They
> know it.
>
> OTOH, some of these charitable orgs are getting a bit high-handed. I
> recall one journalist in the SFBA wrote an article beseeching
> contributors to not give dried beans or canned meat or tomato paste.
> They wanted things like canned chili or canned stew. Apparently, the
> folks running the soup kitchens were dumber'n a bag o' hair and wanted
> pre-processed foods they didn't hafta prepare. I gave 'em a case of
> spam and a 50lb bag of dried pinto beans. Cook or starve, ******s!

For a time our food bank was asking for no dried beans but only because they
already had a supplier for them. That appears to be no longer the case.
When I donate, I always go to their website to see what they need.
Currently it is not so much food but certain sizes of diapers, paper goods,
soap, toothpaste, shampoo and conditioner, etc.

On 9/3/2012 11:04 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Found a link for ya. They never give out expired food.
>
> http://voices.yahoo.com/food-banks-s...992.html?cat=7
>
>

I don't have any problem with expired foods. If it don't smell or if you
can scrape off the mold, it's good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS-s_LsNvMM

dsi1 wrote:

> I don't have any problem with expired foods. If it don't smell or if you
> can scrape off the mold, it's good!

Are you part raccoon?

On 9/4/2012 11:50 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> I don't have any problem with expired foods. If it don't smell or if you
>> can scrape off the mold, it's good!
>
> Are you part raccoon?
>
>

I must be part raccoon. Are you guys totally chicken?

OTOH, when the zombie apocalypse dawns upon us, I'll be sitting on a
throne of expired Spam and Vienna sausages and you and your ilk will be
begging me and my minions to throw down some empty cans so you can make
soup from the dried Spam and sausage juice contained within. Yummy! :-)

dsi1 wrote:

> >> I don't have any problem with expired foods. If it don't smell or if you
> >> can scrape off the mold, it's good!
> >
> > Are you part raccoon?
> >
> >
>
> I must be part raccoon. Are you guys totally chicken?
>
> OTOH, when the zombie apocalypse dawns upon us, I'll be sitting on a
> throne of expired Spam and Vienna sausages and you and your ilk will be
> begging me and my minions to throw down some empty cans so you can make
> soup from the dried Spam and sausage juice contained within. Yummy! :-)

It's good to have a long-term goal.

On Sep 4, 2:50*pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > I don't have any problem with expired foods. If it don't smell or if you
> > can scrape off the mold, it's good!
>
> Are you part raccoon?

and skunk.

On 9/4/2012 12:54 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
>
> It's good to have a long-term goal.
>

You're certainly right about that. OTOH, there seems to be much anxiety
with the foods we eat. I've never seen anything like it. That just ain't
natural!

On Sep 4, 4:20*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
> On 9/4/2012 12:54 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
>
>
>
> > It's good to have a long-term goal.
>
> You're certainly right about that. OTOH, there seems to be much anxiety
> with the foods we eat. I've never seen anything like it. That just ain't
> natural!

Try soylent green.

On 9/4/2012 1:25 PM, Chemo wrote:
> On Sep 4, 4:20 pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>> On 9/4/2012 12:54 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> It's good to have a long-term goal.
>>
>> You're certainly right about that. OTOH, there seems to be much anxiety
>> with the foods we eat. I've never seen anything like it. That just ain't
>> natural!
>
> Try soylent green.
>

My guess is that most of mankind will be eating synthesized food in the
future. It will be in the form of a drink or a porridge or blocks. Only
rich guys will have real food. Consider yourself lucky.

On 9/4/2012 11:07 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> http://i48.tinypic.com/du2pz.jpg
>

I used to love the regular frosted krimpets but haven't seen black and
white krimpets. I can't imagine they have the honey or whatever flavor
they used. Butterscotch? I think that was it.

On 9/4/2012 12:19 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> I'd argue that
> homeless people do not need conditioner, though. Nobody does.


Uh, I do. lol

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:
>On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 08:39:36 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> For a time our food bank was asking for no dried beans but only because they
>> already had a supplier for them. That appears to be no longer the case.
>
>Food banks get rice and beans from the USDA. The USDA buys them off
>of name brand manufacturers and provides them to the food banks. Yes,
>there are a lot of dried beans running through the system.
>
>Often times the manufacturers, such as Riceland (a name brand rice),
>create a special "fictitious" label/packaging that makes it look like
>a retail brand of rice without just with some other name on it.

I've also participated in efforts to re-bag bulk items for food bank
distribution (e.g. down into 1# bags or so). Using the fancy-dan sealing
equipment at the SF food bank was actually rather fun.

Our food bank has two major agency "lines of business" where actual food
is concerned: "Soup Kitchen" and "Food Pantry". (Disclaimer because they
also do education, advocacy, and run a hot line to let people know where
they can get food from member agencies.) Soup kitchens shop in bulk, the
"food pantry" operation packages up the items donated via donation barrels into
mixed boxes of food. Both of those operations work better if, say, the 50#
sack of beans gets broken down into the smaller units. The "Food Pantry"
mixed boxes would get one packed in and the soup kitchen chefs usually
get theirs in the form of, say, a 24-unit box. (There's nothing to stop
a member agency from, say, getting that 24 unit box and distributing it
to up to 24 households, either.)

>I also add that even junk food contains necessary nutrients (sugar,
>fat, salt). For somebody who has NO food, that food is considered
>nutritional. Food banks do not throw away junk food based on
>nutritional value alone.

True dat. I regularly get Girl Scout and other cookies at my FB, to serve
as a little treat with the meal. We used to be able to regularly
find chips there for the lunches. Around Christmas we got some mixed
candy, which was great for our little gift bags.

What my FB doesn't "do" is expired food. Period, end of story. When I
was sorting boxes, expired items got binned (either in the compost bin or
trash). Glass jars we pulled to put on the "salvage" shelves for the
"soup kitchen" shoppers ... too much danger of breakage in the "food
pantry" boxes. We also couldn't package anything that didn't have an
ingredient label on it, although those could go onto the "salvage"
shelves.

>> When I donate, I always go to their website to see what they need.
>> Currently it is not so much food but certain sizes of diapers, paper goods,
>> soap, toothpaste, shampoo and conditioner, etc.

My food bank doesn't deal in non-food items at all. As a data point, mine
also makes the pitch for cash because their "shopping dollar" can go a lot
further than mine.

>Adult diapers are not usually in demand since many are donated. A
>logical person could figure out why. The other stuff is for truly
>homeless unemployed people

Steve, if you think that only the "truly homeless unemployed people" could
benefit from free shampoo and toothpaste, you very seriously need to think
again. Because you are wronger than a wrong thing that is mistaken.

>- often provided by homeless
>shelters/organizations in trial size packages (toothpaste comes with
>travel toothbrush in the same package, for example). I'd argue that
>homeless people do not need conditioner, though. Nobody does.

You know Steve, that sounds just as judgemental as the people wringing
their hands over "junk food" at the food bank. It's one of those
small comfortable things that could help someone keep the old self-esteem
shored up during tough times.

FWIW my "toiletries" giveaway is supplied by people collecting hotel sizes
from their travels (and a wonderful dentist who has taken us on as a
project ... toothbrush, paste, AND FLOSS). As with sorting out the food
donation barrels, some of the items made me think "WTF", but I guess the
thought counts.

Charlotte




--

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:28:00 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 9/4/2012 11:07 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > http://i48.tinypic.com/du2pz.jpg
> >
>
> I used to love the regular frosted krimpets but haven't seen black and
> white krimpets. I can't imagine they have the honey or whatever flavor
> they used. Butterscotch? I think that was it.

This is the first time I've heard of Krimpets. Is that a regional
thing?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/4/2012 12:19 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I'd argue that
>> homeless people do not need conditioner, though. Nobody does.
>
>
> Uh, I do. lol

I used to. But now that my hair has gotten a lot thinner and has lost most
of its curl, I can get away without using it most of the time. Once in a
while it will get ratty enough to warrant it. But a bottle of it lasts me a
year. Now my daughter with her dry, curly hair... I should own stock in
the stuff!

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:32:34 -0400, Cheryl wrote:
>
>> On 9/4/2012 12:19 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> I'd argue that
>>> homeless people do not need conditioner, though. Nobody does.
>>
>> Uh, I do. lol
>
> Just shave your head. Then you don't need shampoo either.

That is what my husband used to do.

"Charlotte L. Blackmer" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Sqwertz > wrote:
>>On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 08:39:36 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> For a time our food bank was asking for no dried beans but only because
>>> they
>>> already had a supplier for them. That appears to be no longer the case.
>>
>>Food banks get rice and beans from the USDA. The USDA buys them off
>>of name brand manufacturers and provides them to the food banks. Yes,
>>there are a lot of dried beans running through the system.
>>
>>Often times the manufacturers, such as Riceland (a name brand rice),
>>create a special "fictitious" label/packaging that makes it look like
>>a retail brand of rice without just with some other name on it.
>
> I've also participated in efforts to re-bag bulk items for food bank
> distribution (e.g. down into 1# bags or so). Using the fancy-dan sealing
> equipment at the SF food bank was actually rather fun.
>
> Our food bank has two major agency "lines of business" where actual food
> is concerned: "Soup Kitchen" and "Food Pantry". (Disclaimer because they
> also do education, advocacy, and run a hot line to let people know where
> they can get food from member agencies.) Soup kitchens shop in bulk, the
> "food pantry" operation packages up the items donated via donation barrels
> into
> mixed boxes of food. Both of those operations work better if, say, the
> 50#
> sack of beans gets broken down into the smaller units. The "Food Pantry"
> mixed boxes would get one packed in and the soup kitchen chefs usually
> get theirs in the form of, say, a 24-unit box. (There's nothing to stop
> a member agency from, say, getting that 24 unit box and distributing it
> to up to 24 households, either.)
>
>>I also add that even junk food contains necessary nutrients (sugar,
>>fat, salt). For somebody who has NO food, that food is considered
>>nutritional. Food banks do not throw away junk food based on
>>nutritional value alone.
>
> True dat. I regularly get Girl Scout and other cookies at my FB, to serve
> as a little treat with the meal. We used to be able to regularly
> find chips there for the lunches. Around Christmas we got some mixed
> candy, which was great for our little gift bags.
>
> What my FB doesn't "do" is expired food. Period, end of story. When I
> was sorting boxes, expired items got binned (either in the compost bin or
> trash). Glass jars we pulled to put on the "salvage" shelves for the
> "soup kitchen" shoppers ... too much danger of breakage in the "food
> pantry" boxes. We also couldn't package anything that didn't have an
> ingredient label on it, although those could go onto the "salvage"
> shelves.
>
>>> When I donate, I always go to their website to see what they need.
>>> Currently it is not so much food but certain sizes of diapers, paper
>>> goods,
>>> soap, toothpaste, shampoo and conditioner, etc.
>
> My food bank doesn't deal in non-food items at all. As a data point, mine
> also makes the pitch for cash because their "shopping dollar" can go a lot
> further than mine.
>
>>Adult diapers are not usually in demand since many are donated. A
>>logical person could figure out why. The other stuff is for truly
>>homeless unemployed people
>
> Steve, if you think that only the "truly homeless unemployed people" could
> benefit from free shampoo and toothpaste, you very seriously need to think
> again. Because you are wronger than a wrong thing that is mistaken.
>
>>- often provided by homeless
>>shelters/organizations in trial size packages (toothpaste comes with
>>travel toothbrush in the same package, for example). I'd argue that
>>homeless people do not need conditioner, though. Nobody does.
>
> You know Steve, that sounds just as judgemental as the people wringing
> their hands over "junk food" at the food bank. It's one of those
> small comfortable things that could help someone keep the old self-esteem
> shored up during tough times.
>
> FWIW my "toiletries" giveaway is supplied by people collecting hotel sizes
> from their travels (and a wonderful dentist who has taken us on as a
> project ... toothbrush, paste, AND FLOSS). As with sorting out the food
> donation barrels, some of the items made me think "WTF", but I guess the
> thought counts.
>
> Charlotte

One local drugstore chain here collects the hotel sizes of various
toiletries. They are given not only to homeless people but those who for
whatever reason find themselves in a shelter. They are also given to needy
senior citizens.

My friend and I were having a discussion about food banks, donations and
what they give out. Having never had to use one, I didn't know from that
end. But her adult daughter who is sadly disabled by some mental illnesses
does qualify for some things. She said what she gets doesn't necessarily
add up to a balanced diet. Apparently she gets a lot of Ramen type
products, usually some sort of pastry (not expired but usually expires that
day or the next), perhaps a loaf of bread, again to expire that day or the
day after, and maybe some canned tuna and vegetables. There may be some
other things but it's mostly starchy stuff.

I had told my friend that my food bank was being really picky about what
they wanted us to donate. Although they didn't say that they wouldn't take
particular items, they did say that they particularly wanted protein items
such as canned meats and fish and whole grains such as brown rice. And no
sweets. My friend couldn't believe that they could be so picky. So I went
to the website to look again and wouldn't you know they no longer said that.
I don't really know why. I don't know if they got complaints because people
didn't want to eat that sort of food or they got complaints from the people
who were donating. But the funny thing? I looked up *her* food bank and
all of a sudden they had become picky. They wanted the whole grains and
such.

I did run across a website in my searching (and no I'm not going to try to
find it again and post the link) that said about 40% of what is given away
at food banks goes uneaten. It said this was mainly because people will not
eat expired food. And I ran across websites where people said they did in
fact get expired food from food banks and pantries.

Of course I do know that there are many places that give out food and they
aren't necessarily the "official" food banks.

I also know that when we had a food drive at work, we got a ton of not only
expired food but very badly expired food from various people. My friend's
dad had died many years prior and she cleaned out his kitchen. She had
things that must have been 20 years old. Boxes of cake mix that were weird
flavors that were no longer being made but I sort of remembered them from my
childhood. The colors on the boxes were very faded and they had price
stickers on them for like 19 cents, 29 cents... Prices that were waaay too
cheap for that time. That was some years ago. This was actually in the day
before expiration dates were a common thing but we could tell by looking at
them how old and decrepit they were. We threw them out. There was no way
we would donate those things.

When I donate, I mostly try to look at what they currently need and buy
that. I do try to donate only wholesome foods. But once in a while I'll
have a coupon or something that allows me to get free or really cheap food
that we can't/won't eat. And I will donate that.

These days I think there are many, many people who use the food bank or
perhaps go hungry. One was the man who lived next door to use. We
suspected that he was in trouble. And sadly he was. He is no longer in
this country. His house was foreclosed on and he managed to get a job in
Sweden. He did house remodeling for a living. And he had been doing quite
well at it. Then he decided to remodel his own house. It had been a little
house. I was told it was the exact opposite of how our house was before it
was remodeled. Well long story short he rather bit off more than he could
chew. The economy turned and all of a sudden nobody was in the market for
the type of work he was doing.

We really worried about him. Once in a while we would see him leave and
then return with a brown paper bag that we hoped had some food in it. And
about once a month a woman would come with some grocery bags and a cooler.
So it looked like she was bringing him food.

My daughter has friends whose parents have divorced. They qualify for free
and reduced lunches. And yet their parents work. They are not lazy. They
are not bums. They just can't make enough money to make ends meet.

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 03:39:09 +0000 (UTC), Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Sqwertz > wrote:
>>>On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 08:39:36 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> For a time our food bank was asking for no dried beans but only
>because they
>>>> already had a supplier for them. That appears to be no longer the case.
>>>
>>>Food banks get rice and beans from the USDA. The USDA buys them off
>>>of name brand manufacturers and provides them to the food banks. Yes,
>>>there are a lot of dried beans running through the system.
>>>
>>>Often times the manufacturers, such as Riceland (a name brand rice),
>>>create a special "fictitious" label/packaging that makes it look like
>>>a retail brand of rice without just with some other name on it.
>>
>> I've also participated in efforts to re-bag bulk items for food bank
>> distribution (e.g. down into 1# bags or so). Using the fancy-dan sealing
>> equipment at the SF food bank was actually rather fun.
>
>Well, laaa dee daah! We use donated Ziplocs and other bags :-P Our
>major grocer, H-E-B, provides a lot of store brand items that are not
>things they can't sell. One of the execs sits on the board, as well.

Excellent. The SF/Marin FB moves a LOT of food, as you're probably aware.

>FWIW, we got a lot of underage volunteers (usually as part of family
>or summer youth group), especially during the summer. They are not
>allowed near most of the equipment for sorting food (like conveyors
>and pallet jacks) for insurance reasons. So they are put to work
>sorting and packaging breads/pastries, portioning out bulk items, or
>working the smaller non-food items such as cosmetics and toiletries.
>
>I'm not sure if vacuum sealers could be considered dangerous, but I
>suspect that would be the case if we did have them.

yeah, I was with a group of food bloggers, so we were all over 18. They
had the kids doing other things.

High engineer quotient meant that we moved the food very efficiently. The
food bank told us "any time you want to come back, we will make room in
the schedule for you".

>> Our food bank has two major agency "lines of business" where actual food
>> is concerned: "Soup Kitchen" and "Food Pantry". (Disclaimer because they
>> also do education, advocacy, and run a hot line to let people know where
>> they can get food from member agencies.)
>
>Our food bank doesn't run a soup kitchen, but we do supply them with
>much of the bulk foods we get (like from restaurant distributors).

The ACCFB doesn't run either a soup kitchen or pantry on its own; it's
all the member agencies.

>We also do the education, advocacy and mobile pantries (as well as some
>home delivery in certain cases). And of course there are major
>sponsored events like the Austin Hot Sauce Festival last week - my
>first sunburn of the year.
>
>> Soup kitchens shop in bulk, the
>> "food pantry" operation packages up the items donated via donation
>barrels into
>> mixed boxes of food. Both of those operations work better if, say, the 50#
>> sack of beans gets broken down into the smaller units. The "Food Pantry"
>> mixed boxes would get one packed in and the soup kitchen chefs usually
>> get theirs in the form of, say, a 24-unit box. (There's nothing to stop
>> a member agency from, say, getting that 24 unit box and distributing it
>> to up to 24 households, either.)
>
>The USDA supplies us with pintos and black beans in 16-32 ounce
>packages that go out to member agencies. Any bags/containers over
>8lbs of anything, just goes to bulk customers (usually soup kitchens).
>In rare cases when food is low and there's not much to do volunteers
>can break down rice, beans, and macaroni into smaller packages.
>
>> True dat. I regularly get Girl Scout and other cookies at my FB, to serve
>> as a little treat with the meal. We used to be able to regularly
>> find chips there for the lunches. Around Christmas we got some mixed
>> candy, which was great for our little gift bags.
>
>We get shitloads of candy that goes out to regular member agencies.
>And for some reason marshmallows have been hot lately. Chips and
>ramen got to soup kitchens for some reason.
>
>> What my FB doesn't "do" is expired food.
>
>What do you mean by expired. Items past it's "Use By" date, even on
>canned goods? I'm still finding that hard to believe. Despicable,
>even. There are specific laws that cover food banks from most
>liabilities. And if a food bank in a metropolitan area is not taking
>advantage of perfectly good food in these trying times, then... well..

Any use by date on the packaging. Them's the rules. There are some very
happy pigs eating the boxed goods.

>> Period, end of story. When I
>> was sorting boxes, expired items got binned (either in the compost bin or
>> trash). Glass jars we pulled to put on the "salvage" shelves for the
>> "soup kitchen" shoppers ... too much danger of breakage in the "food
>> pantry" boxes.
>
>We do glass all the time, but only in certain "sorts" (usually sauces
>and condiments).

They end up on the "salvage" aisle for the member agencies. Fifteen cents
a pound.

>> We also couldn't package anything that didn't have an
>> ingredient label on it, although those could go onto the "salvage"
>> shelves.
>
>I don't know what the rules are for salvage, but the USDA says nothing
>without an ingredients label can be distributed. This is the Age of
>Food Allergies, after all.

Aha!

>> My food bank doesn't deal in non-food items at all. As a data point, mine
>> also makes the pitch for cash because their "shopping dollar" can go a lot
>> further than mine.
>
>Here they're mostly referring to food they can buy off of the USDA at
>huge discounts.
>
>> Steve, if you think that only the "truly homeless unemployed people" could
>> benefit from free shampoo and toothpaste, you very seriously need to think
>> again. Because you are wronger than a wrong thing that is mistaken.
>
>Every smelly person can benefit from shampoo and toothpaste. No
>argument there.

That's quite an achievement, Steve: Sheldonesque levels of both stupidity
and meanness. What's next? Going to Disneyland?


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On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 22:19:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:32:34 -0400, Cheryl wrote:
>
>> On 9/4/2012 12:19 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> I'd argue that
>>> homeless people do not need conditioner, though. Nobody does.
>>
>> Uh, I do. lol
>
>Just shave your head. Then you don't need shampoo either.
>
>-sw

You don't have a hair on your ass, bet you never wash it.

On 9/5/2012 12:18 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:28:00 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/4/2012 11:07 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> http://i48.tinypic.com/du2pz.jpg
>>>
>>
>> I used to love the regular frosted krimpets but haven't seen black and
>> white krimpets. I can't imagine they have the honey or whatever flavor
>> they used. Butterscotch? I think that was it.
>
> This is the first time I've heard of Krimpets. Is that a regional
> thing?
>
After I wrote that I think they were really krumpets.

On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:51:50 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 9/5/2012 12:18 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:28:00 -0400, Cheryl >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/4/2012 11:07 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://i48.tinypic.com/du2pz.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>> I used to love the regular frosted krimpets but haven't seen black and
>>> white krimpets. I can't imagine they have the honey or whatever flavor
>>> they used. Butterscotch? I think that was it.
>>
>> This is the first time I've heard of Krimpets. Is that a regional
>> thing?
>>
>After I wrote that I think they were really krumpets.

---> http://www.tastykake.com/products/krimpets

On 9/5/2012 9:15 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:51:50 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/5/2012 12:18 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:28:00 -0400, Cheryl >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/4/2012 11:07 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://i48.tinypic.com/du2pz.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used to love the regular frosted krimpets but haven't seen black and
>>>> white krimpets. I can't imagine they have the honey or whatever flavor
>>>> they used. Butterscotch? I think that was it.
>>>
>>> This is the first time I've heard of Krimpets. Is that a regional
>>> thing?
>>>
>> After I wrote that I think they were really krumpets.
>
> ---> http://www.tastykake.com/products/krimpets
>

That's them! Yum! haven't had one in years and now I have a craving.

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 06:01:21 +0000 (UTC), Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:
>
>> yeah, I was with a group of food bloggers, so we were all over 18. They
>> had the kids doing other things.
>>
>> High engineer quotient meant that we moved the food very efficiently. The
>> food bank told us "any time you want to come back, we will make room in
>> the schedule for you".
>
>I would like to comment on the quality of volunteers, but that would
>be inappropriate :-)

SFMFB does get a lot of volunteer groups coming through. Some of them
work faster than others or have more relevant skills. This is just how
places that get a lot of different volunteer groups roll. Our relevant
skill was "logistics planners".

The SF Chronicle did a series on the "49 square miles" of San Francisco,
picking one or maybe two "great food picks" from each square. I'm
delighted that they chose the SFMFB for that square. Great slideshow of
the folks in action at:

http://www.sfgate.com/food/article/4...ch-3448285.php

>>>What do you mean by expired. Items past it's "Use By" date, even on
>>>canned goods? I'm still finding that hard to believe. Despicable,
>>>even. There are specific laws that cover food banks from most
>>>liabilities. And if a food bank in a metropolitan area is not taking
>>>advantage of perfectly good food in these trying times, then... well..
>>
>> Any use by date on the packaging. Them's the rules. There are some very
>> happy pigs eating the boxed goods.
>
>I'm still finding this unfathomable. I hope you don't mind if I look
>into that myself. I see some wording on their website that makes me
>think they are owned by the same parent company as our food bank.

I'm sure they'll listen to some random guy in Texas as opposed to their
own lawyers and board . (Mind you, they may have changed their policy,
it's been a while since I sorted boxes.)

This whole thing reminds me of a phone call I got. At one point
the church had published my number on the website as a contact for the
free meal program volunteers. I got a call from a woman asking if
recently expired food was ok to donate. I said no because I had been
sorting boxes recently and knew the ACCFB's rules.

She was a bit miffed, I think she really wanted another answer. She
actually started to argue with me a bit but I didn't change my story.

Like Julie, I have seen some way bizarre "what were you thinking, why
didn't you throw it out yourself" stuff in the donation bins,
although since I've been doing the "toiletries" more, that's where I've
seen it more.

>>>Every smelly person can benefit from shampoo and toothpaste. No
>>>argument there.
>>
>> That's quite an achievement, Steve: Sheldonesque levels of both stupidity
>> and meanness. What's next? Going to Disneyland?
>
>Since you too unreasonable offense at my original statement, I figured
>anything goes now.

I can see two ways that my original reaction was "unreasonable":

1) You think anyone who disagrees with you, the Lord High Everything
Else, in any way is "unreasonable".

2) You were baiting the hook and it was unreasonable for me to react
because you were just fishing for a response (in other words, you were
trolling as usual and I should have known that).

In either case, I call bullshit; either you're way too full of yourself,
you're just doubling down, or both. And in either case the comparison to
Sheldon is apt.

This is why I know you're wrong. A fair percentage of my client
base is "homed but very poor" - disabled and/or elderly for the most
part. They may be getting food stamp assistance but you can't buy socks
or shampoo with your EBT card. Unlike Austin, we don't have some central
clearing house where service organizations can go and get
shampoo/soap/etc. to distribute. It's not difficult to find a free meal,
but the other stuff is trickier.

I also imagine that some people (who look better off) are the New
Un- and Underemployed and similarly short of cash for grooming materials
because they are trying to make rent/mortgage, and if they don't keep the
grooming up they don't have much hope of getting a new gig or keeping the
crap one that they have. I can usually spot these people because they
come in the door with a particular kind of dazed expression. I was almost
in that line myself when a job offer fell through at the same time the UI
ended and a large expensive roof repair loomed.

I know some people are gaming our system but I think it's a small
percentage and it's not for me to sort out who's "deserving" and who's
not. If someone is willing to stand in line (possibly outdoors in the
rain) with crazy people for over an hour and deal with the noise and chaos
of our dining room, I'll feed them.

I won't be reading you further, so feel free to "have the last word".

Charlotte
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