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American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, the American market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
"American beer drinkers, who once had little option besides gassy,
mass-produced bathwater, may now choose from hundreds of beers of all shades, styles and strengths." http://www.economist.com/node/21562224 -- Ann's Little Brother Bob |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, theAmerican market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
On Sep 9, 10:12*am, Bob O'Dyne
> wrote: > "American beer drinkers, who once had little option besides gassy, > mass-produced bathwater, may now choose from hundreds of beers of all > shades, styles and strengths." > > http://www.economist.com/node/21562224 > > -- > Ann's Little Brother Bob Making your own beer is always a viable option, too, if you don't mind a little yeasty stuff in the bottom of your bottle. It's fun to experiment with different varieties of hops and different types of malts. |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, theAmerican market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
On 9/9/12 11:12 AM, Bob O'Dyne wrote:
> "American beer drinkers, who once had little option besides gassy, > mass-produced bathwater, may now choose from hundreds of beers of all > shades, styles and strengths." > > http://www.economist.com/node/21562224 They're about 15 years behind the times. (Or should that be Times?) -- Larry |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, theAmerican market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
On 2012-09-09, pltrgyst > wrote:
> They're about 15 years behind the times. (Or should that be Times?) Closer to 30, for all practical purposes. The real father of the microbrew revival is Frederick "Fritz" Maytag III, who bought and revitalized Anchor Brewing Co in SF CA back in '65. My brewing mentor has been a serious homebrewer fer about 25 yrs and he's no pioneer. Even Sierra Nevada Brewing, who popularized SN Pale Ale, probably one of the most recognizable microbrews of all time and instrumental in getting legions of current microbrew lovers weaned off the mega-swills, is over 30 yrs old (1980). The microbrew stampede really took off in the mid 80s, when dozens of homebrewers made the leap to starting true microbreweries, many of which have gone on to change the market forever. Strangely enough, I still have a real soft spot in my heart for an old fast-food combo that's lifted my heart on many a dreary occasion, namely a can of Budweiser beer and a Hostess berry pie. Nirvana!! ;) nb -- Definition of objectivism: "Eff you! I got mine." http://www.nongmoproject.org/ |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, theAmerican market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
On Sep 9, 8:12*am, Bob O'Dyne
> wrote: > "American beer drinkers, who once had little option besides gassy, > mass-produced bathwater, may now choose from hundreds of beers of all > shades, styles and strengths." > > http://www.economist.com/node/21562224 The article ignores the worldwide consolidation of brewers, with Miller being owned by a South African firm, and Anheuser Busch by a Belgian one. Coors and Miller have a distribution partnership. Combined with what they did mention, the ownership of once-craft breweries by the megafirms, one wonders how the market is becoming more competitive, even if I can get an American-brewed hefeweizen that tastes like a Schneider Weisse. |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, theAmerican market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
On 9/9/2012 12:11 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-09-09, pltrgyst > wrote: > >> They're about 15 years behind the times. (Or should that be Times?) > > Closer to 30, for all practical purposes. > nb > They didn't say that a vast selection had suddenly become available but it's true that there is *now* a great selection of craft beers. 15 or 30 years ago you'd have trouble finding very many on sale in one place. As for non-boutique restaurants, I only remember seeing a large selection in Seattle, 15 years ago at Ray's Acres of Clams. -- Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD) Extraneous "not" in Reply To. |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, theAmerican market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
On 2012-09-09, James Silverton > wrote:
> They didn't say that a vast selection had suddenly become available > but it's true that there is *now* a great selection of craft beers. 15 > or 30 years ago you'd have trouble finding very many on sale in one > place. Depends on where you lived and/or shopped. If I recall correctly, an old article in the Celebrator claimed there were over 800 microbrweries in the late 80s when the first microbrewery trend peaked. That was back when you could buy an entire microbrewery setup (a commercial system) for under $80-100K. The industry had a major shakeout during the 90s, and now that the mega-swill breweries have lost their death-grip on the market shelves, microbrews have exploded once again. Regardless, I recall an upscale sprmkt in the SFBA was selling at least 2 dozen different microbrew ales (all bullets) way back in the late 80s. It was already getting so crowded on what little shelf space was available to them, microbreweries were giving their mediocre ales names aimed soley at catching the eye of the buyer. Brands like Cat **** Ale. As if. Granted, it has exploded, once again. Now, even the smallest hamlet or township has a microbrewery/pub/pizza joint. We have one in each of the two towns close to me, the smaller a one stop-light burg of about 4K pop. The serious bottled microbrews --"craft" if you prefer"-- have left the mega-swills in the dust. In fact, the big boys are now doing craft beers. Blue Moon is an excellent copy of a Belgian wit bier from Coors and is hugely popular. Michelob brand is Anheuser-Busch's test line for new craft beers. Yes, real beer is back with a vengence! OTOH, even in beer crazy/savvy CO, legions of folks still drink mega-swill lite. nb -- Definition of objectivism: "Eff you! I got mine." http://www.nongmoproject.org/ |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, the American market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
Christopher Helms wrote:
> Bob O'Dyne wrote: > >> "American beer drinkers, who once had little option besides gassy, >> mass-produced bathwater, may now choose from hundreds of beers of all >> shades, styles and strengths." Before prohibition every city had its own brewery or more than one. After prohibition was repealed big business got the jump and ruined beer for a couple of generations. > Making your own beer is always a viable option, too, if you don't mind > a little yeasty stuff in the bottom of your bottle. It's fun to > experiment with different varieties of hops and different types of > malts. I only brew a few batches per year. Still I try to compete with the better craft beers because it's trivial to make better than canoe beer. Now there are even small craft distilleries around. I've got local whiskeys from Wisconsin and Illinois. I've got Yule season egg nog covered for 3-4 years at this point. |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, theAmerican market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
On Sep 10, 11:19*pm, T > wrote:
> > I had been drinking Bass Ale for some time until I showed up at a local > watering hole and they were fresh out. The bartender offered me a > Newcastle Brown Ale. Now I drink that. Sorry to hear that. They are both inferior products, especially the Newcastle. |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, theAmerican market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
On Sep 9, 8:12*am, Bob O'Dyne
> wrote: > "American beer drinkers, who once had little option besides gassy, > mass-produced bathwater, may now choose from hundreds of beers of all > shades, styles and strengths." > > http://www.economist.com/node/21562224 > > -- > Ann's Little Brother Bob You just discovered this? |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, theAmerican market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
Helpful person > wrote:
>On Sep 10, 11:19*pm, T > wrote: >> I had been drinking Bass Ale for some time until I showed up at a local >> watering hole and they were fresh out. The bartender offered me a >> Newcastle Brown Ale. Now I drink that. >Sorry to hear that. They are both inferior products, especially the >Newcastle. I noticed several years ago the Bass brewery in Burton is now a Coors brewery. Prior to that, in 2000 CAMRA gave the following dismal report on draght Bass from Burton: "Once the Rolls-Royce of cask beer, it is now just a Ford Fiesta... no longer dry-hopped in cask." The most recent Bass of any quality was probably around 1995. Newcastle is not listed by CAMRA in 2000 at all. Steve |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, the American market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
On 2012-09-11 06:19:23 +0000, T said:
> I had been drinking Bass Ale for some time until I showed up at a local > watering hole and they were fresh out. The bartender offered me a > Newcastle Brown Ale. Now I drink that. I guess you were lucky they didn't switch to somethine foul. |
American beer and spirits: As puritanical rules retreat, the American market for beer and spirits is growing more competitive
On 2012-09-11 17:58:21 +0000, Helpful person said:
> On Sep 10, 11:19*pm, T > wrote: >> >> I had been drinking Bass Ale for some time until I showed up at a local >> watering hole and they were fresh out. The bartender offered me a >> Newcastle Brown Ale. Now I drink that. > > Sorry to hear that. They are both inferior products, especially the > Newcastle. They are certainly inferior to the beers I like this week, but superior to shelves of other stuff. It's almost like a magic continuum of different approaches! |
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