my spinach salad fell out of the refrigerator onto the floor. I was looking
forward to eating that.

But, I should have known. Put a plate in the fridge on top of other foods--
not a good idea... I had to get on my knees to clean it up.

On the bright side, now I can make an new fresh spinach salad... banana
peppers, blue cheese, spinach, peas, sesame seeds, fresh inflammatory garden
tomato, salsa, raisins...

On Sep 20, 12:52*pm, "Somebody" > wrote:
> my spinach salad fell out of the refrigerator onto the floor. *I was looking
> forward to eating that.
>
> But, I should have known. *Put a plate in the fridge on top of other foods--
> not a good idea... *I had to get on my knees to clean it up.
>
> On the bright side, now I can make an new fresh spinach salad... *banana
> peppers, blue cheese, spinach, peas, sesame seeds, fresh inflammatory garden
> tomato, salsa, raisins...

What...no 5 second rule?

Being on your knees is a common position for you.

"Chemo" > wrote in message
...

Being on your knees is a common position for you.

---

You are a troll's troll.. kudos!

It was longer than 5 seconds.

On Sep 20, 1:09*pm, "Somebody" > wrote:
> "Chemo" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> Being on your knees is a common position for you.
>
> ---
>
> You are a troll's troll.. kudos!
>
> It was longer than 5 seconds.

6 seconds is a sure cut off. Better luck next time...

"Chemo" > wrote in message
...

6 seconds is a sure cut off. Better luck next time...

---

that's what she said.

Chemo wrote:
>
> On Sep 20, 12:52 pm, "Somebody" > wrote:
> > my spinach salad fell out of the refrigerator onto the floor. I was looking
> > forward to eating that.
> >
> > But, I should have known. Put a plate in the fridge on top of other foods--
> > not a good idea... I had to get on my knees to clean it up.
> >
> > On the bright side, now I can make an new fresh spinach salad... banana
> > peppers, blue cheese, spinach, peas, sesame seeds, fresh inflammatory garden
> > tomato, salsa, raisins...
>
> What...no 5 second rule?
>
> Being on your knees is a common position for you.

And if he kept his kitchen floor clean, he could have eaten the spilled
salad. It probably tasted like shit even before it fell though.

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...

>
> And if he kept his kitchen floor clean, he could have eaten the spilled
> salad. It probably tasted like shit even before it fell though.


I do keep a clean house. One of the reasons she doesn't live here
anymore.... first thing thing I did when I got back was run the rug
shampooer and got down on my knees and rubbed out the cat **** stains in the
kitchen linoleum.

"Gary" wrote:
>
>if she kept her kitchen floor clean she could have eaten the spilled salad.

Someone obviously can't handle her vodka.
Anyway spinach grows in dirt, just rewash it.

On 09/20/2012 12:52 PM, Somebody wrote:
> my spinach salad fell out of the refrigerator onto the floor. I was looking
> forward to eating that.

Did you accuse its parents of not being married?

The stuff started out growing in dirt. Probably some
animal skat in the dirt too. Bugs crawling all over
it. Birds pooping on it. Etc..

Any reason you can't wash it off and start over?

On second thought, what was on your floor?

Also a good excuse not to eat it. I consider Spinach to be
toxic waste. Going to try to grow some heirloom strawberry
spinach next year to see if the production hybrid variety
is the cause of the toxic waste problem. (Production vegi's
are bred to lay flat in shipping crates and not spoil.)

-T

On Sep 20, 5:22*pm, Todd > wrote:

> Also a good excuse not to eat it. *I consider Spinach to be
> toxic waste. *Going to try to grow some heirloom strawberry
> spinach next year to see if the production hybrid variety
> is the cause of the toxic waste problem. *(Production vegi's
> are bred to lay flat in shipping crates and not spoil.)


While it is true that many foods are toxic let us not forget that
humans are basically garbage disposals as is every living thing in the
animal kingdom. It's one big re-cycling plant. I'm not suggesting
you go out and buy a can of pesticide and squirt it down your throat,
only that we are every bit as toxic as the toxic foods we eat, and all
that will happen in time from eating them is that our toxic turds will
fertilize the toxic earth and allow it to flourish in a soon to be
toxic universe.

Eat or be eaten,
TJ

On 09/20/2012 10:37 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Sep 20, 5:22 pm, Todd > wrote:
>
>> Also a good excuse not to eat it. I consider Spinach to be
>> toxic waste. Going to try to grow some heirloom strawberry
>> spinach next year to see if the production hybrid variety
>> is the cause of the toxic waste problem. (Production vegi's
>> are bred to lay flat in shipping crates and not spoil.)
>
>
> While it is true that many foods are toxic let us not forget that
> humans are basically garbage disposals as is every living thing in the
> animal kingdom. It's one big re-cycling plant. I'm not suggesting
> you go out and buy a can of pesticide and squirt it down your throat,
> only that we are every bit as toxic as the toxic foods we eat, and all
> that will happen in time from eating them is that our toxic turds will
> fertilize the toxic earth and allow it to flourish in a soon to be
> toxic universe.
>
> Eat or be eaten,
> TJ
>

Tommy,

I meant I do not like the taste of production spinach. I
did not mean it was actually toxic, even though it tastes that
way to me. :-)

-T

"Todd" > wrote in message
...

> Tommy,
>
> I meant I do not like the taste of production spinach. I
> did not mean it was actually toxic, even though it tastes that
> way to me. :-)

in any way? how about cooked? in lentil soup?

On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:05:50 -0700, Todd > wrote:

> I meant I do not like the taste of production spinach. I
> did not mean it was actually toxic, even though it tastes that
> way to me. :-)
Spinach is very high in oxalic acid. You're probably reacting to that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid

--
Ann's Little Brother Bob

"Bob O'Dyne" > wrote in message
...

> Spinach is very high in oxalic acid. You're probably reacting to that.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid


if you drink orange juice with it then it's supposed to okay.

On 09/20/2012 11:12 PM, Somebody wrote:
> "Todd" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Tommy,
>>
>> I meant I do not like the taste of production spinach. I
>> did not mean it was actually toxic, even though it tastes that
>> way to me. :-)
>
> in any way? how about cooked? in lentil soup?

Still toxic waste. I am going to try growing heirloom
to see if the hybridization is what I don't like.

On Sep 21, 2:05*am, Todd > wrote:

> * * I meant I do not like the taste of production spinach. *I
> did not mean it was actually toxic, even though it tastes that
> way to me. *:-)


Todd - confession - I was merely using your post as an excuse to
improvo-storm my way into a rambling message. I do use the bagged
stuff though. I see what you mean about how flat it is. But I use it
a lot. I don't like spinach raw. I don't dislike it, I just prefer
it cooked. Brings out the flavor. Sometimes I actually prefer the
cheaper bagged stuff that is more crude and curly and not as nice
looking. It's easy to make, probably why I overeat it. I was joking,
in a way, about the world being toxic. Truth is, we're really nothing
more than walking garbage cans, all of us.

And we're all looking for that big dumpster in the sky,
TJ

On Sep 21, 2:29*pm, Todd > wrote:

> Still toxic waste. *I am going to try growing heirloom
> to see if the hybridization is what I don't like.


I am considered a meat and potatoes diet for the rest of my life
with veggies blended in a juicer and consumed after the meal. I
wonder how that would work. I like veggies, but am beginning to think
my ancient decrepit body needs more protein along with the good old
fashioned carbos of my youth. In fact, I don't see why a good
balanced meal couldn't be condensed into a single pill to be taken 3
times a day. That would give us more time to work. Work is necessary
for the sanity of the planet. We must work. A pill to stay awake 24
hours a day, a pill for food, a pill for everything. It's all about
speed. We need to go faster and save time so we can work more. Now
let's get out there and do it. You first. I'm right behind you.

TJ

On 09/21/2012 01:34 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2:05 am, Todd > wrote:
>
>> I meant I do not like the taste of production spinach. I
>> did not mean it was actually toxic, even though it tastes that
>> way to me. :-)
>
>
> Todd - confession - I was merely using your post as an excuse to
> improvo-storm my way into a rambling message. I do use the bagged
> stuff though. I see what you mean about how flat it is. But I use it
> a lot. I don't like spinach raw. I don't dislike it, I just prefer
> it cooked. Brings out the flavor. Sometimes I actually prefer the
> cheaper bagged stuff that is more crude and curly and not as nice
> looking. It's easy to make, probably why I overeat it. I was joking,
> in a way, about the world being toxic. Truth is, we're really nothing
> more than walking garbage cans, all of us.
>
> And we're all looking for that big dumpster in the sky,
> TJ
>

Hi TJ,

Warning: a rant is about to proceed!

Humans are omnivorous, like bears. Except for bears are
also carrion eaters, unless you consider hot dogs to
be carrion, then we are exactly like bears.

Me, I eat pretty much what I like and can afford. Here
was a bit surprise to me. I stopped by one of our community
organic farms. I bought some tomatoes, cantaloupes, egg plant,
carrots and squash. The carrots stunk of my car all day.
It took supreme discipline not to pull over and eat the
damn tings right there on the spot. Since when do carrot
have a pleasant order (dude talk for aroma) and actually
taste good. When I finally got home, my wife and I
"devoured" the stuff. And she hates produce! But not this
stuff.

This stuff actually tasted good! No wonder I have always
hated production (big farms) produce from the store. YUK!!!
The tomatoes were firm and sweet! Since when did any of this
stuff taste good?! I don't think I have eaten a vine ripe
cantaloupe in 20 years!

As I said, I pretty much eat what I like and can afford.
Produce that is picked ripe and not hybridized to be
picked green (not ripe), lay flat in a crate, and not
spoil is disgusting. Did I mention: YUK? No wonder
nearly everyone does not like produce and only eat it
out of guilt. You might as well be eating processed food!

Fortunately, I can only stop by this community farm
once a week or I'd go bankrupt. You must, you must
taste a community organic tomato that you pick yourself
from the vine. You will never buy produce in the store
again. (One of these days my black thumb will start
to turn a little green and I will get some good yields
from my tiny organic garden.)

End of rant.

-T

"Todd" > wrote in message
...

> Humans are omnivorous, like bears.

but we don't shit in the woods, normally.

On 09/21/2012 05:53 PM, Somebody wrote:
> "Todd" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Humans are omnivorous, like bears.
>
> but we don't shit in the woods, normally.


http://www.outdooroddities.com/wp-co...gn-500x373.jpg

On 09/21/2012 06:04 PM, Todd wrote:
> On 09/21/2012 05:53 PM, Somebody wrote:
>> "Todd" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Humans are omnivorous, like bears.
>>
>> but we don't shit in the woods, normally.
>
>
> http://www.outdooroddities.com/wp-co...gn-500x373.jpg

Now try and tell me you didn't laugh!

"Todd" > wrote in message
...

>> http://www.outdooroddities.com/wp-co...gn-500x373.jpg
>
> Now try and tell me you didn't laugh!

dammit! you got me.

On 09/21/2012 05:27 PM, Todd wrote:
> On 09/21/2012 01:34 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
>> On Sep 21, 2:05 am, Todd > wrote:
>>
>>> I meant I do not like the taste of production spinach. I
>>> did not mean it was actually toxic, even though it tastes that
>>> way to me. :-)
>>
>>
>> Todd - confession - I was merely using your post as an excuse to
>> improvo-storm my way into a rambling message. I do use the bagged
>> stuff though. I see what you mean about how flat it is. But I use it
>> a lot. I don't like spinach raw. I don't dislike it, I just prefer
>> it cooked. Brings out the flavor. Sometimes I actually prefer the
>> cheaper bagged stuff that is more crude and curly and not as nice
>> looking. It's easy to make, probably why I overeat it. I was joking,
>> in a way, about the world being toxic. Truth is, we're really nothing
>> more than walking garbage cans, all of us.
>>
>> And we're all looking for that big dumpster in the sky,
>> TJ
>>
>
> Hi TJ,
>
> Warning: a rant is about to proceed!
>
> Humans are omnivorous, like bears. Except for bears are
> also carrion eaters, unless you consider hot dogs to
> be carrion, then we are exactly like bears.
>
> Me, I eat pretty much what I like and can afford. Here
> was a bit surprise to me. I stopped by one of our community
> organic farms. I bought some tomatoes, cantaloupes, egg plant,
> carrots and squash. The carrots stunk of my car all day.
> It took supreme discipline not to pull over and eat the
> damn tings right there on the spot. Since when do carrot
> have a pleasant order (dude talk for aroma) and actually
> taste good. When I finally got home, my wife and I
> "devoured" the stuff. And she hates produce! But not this
> stuff.
>
> This stuff actually tasted good! No wonder I have always
> hated production (big farms) produce from the store. YUK!!!
> The tomatoes were firm and sweet! Since when did any of this
> stuff taste good?! I don't think I have eaten a vine ripe
> cantaloupe in 20 years!
>
> As I said, I pretty much eat what I like and can afford.
> Produce that is picked ripe and not hybridized to be
> picked green (not ripe), lay flat in a crate, and not
> spoil is disgusting. Did I mention: YUK? No wonder
> nearly everyone does not like produce and only eat it
> out of guilt. You might as well be eating processed food!
>
> Fortunately, I can only stop by this community farm
> once a week or I'd go bankrupt. You must, you must
> taste a community organic tomato that you pick yourself
> from the vine. You will never buy produce in the store
> again. (One of these days my black thumb will start
> to turn a little green and I will get some good yields
> from my tiny organic garden.)
>
> End of rant.
>
> -T

Hi TJ,

I can't credit who said this before me, but every American
should have his own Doctor, Dentist, and Farmer.

:-)

-T

Maybe not the Doctor or Dentist. Maybe.

On Sep 21, 8:27*pm, Todd > wrote:

> Fortunately, I can only stop by this community farm
> once a week or I'd go bankrupt. *You must, you must
> taste a community organic tomato that you pick yourself
> from the vine. *You will never buy produce in the store
> again. * (One of these days my black thumb will start
> to turn a little green and I will get some good yields
> from my tiny organic garden.)


I'm not a major organics fan nor a major organics boo-bird. I
won't argue your report that the non mass produced stuff tastes
better. But maybe not in all cases. If you have the time and the
nose for good fruit and veggies, then by all means stop at a good
place and stay away from places you don't like. I could tell from the
start that this topic is one that is high on your topic pole. I knew
it. I do not dispute any of your opinions on this matter. But I do
dispute one argument you used to support your opinion. Your comment
about it being no wonder that kids and some older folks don't like to
eat their veggies in my view is not related to the quality of the
food, as when I was a kid most of the stuff was locally grown and I
loved it and never had any problems with veggies other than lima beans
which make me want to puke. But I am not the norm. The truth is,
even when the veggies were locally grown and as good as can be, even
back in those days it was common for kids in general to disdain
veggies. Maybe their bodies don't need them as much as they do the
protein and fat and carbos to get them moving outside the house so the
adults can enjoy themselves in silence for a change. Thanks for the
rant. It was not a rant, just a report, and one I do not dispute
(except for trying to link kid's not liking veggies to the quality of
the veggies, which I do not think is exclusively the case, or even
remotely). .......... but that's just my opinion.

TJ

On Sep 21, 11:24*pm, Todd > wrote:

> I can't credit who said this before me, but every American
> should have his own Doctor, Dentist, and Farmer.


The best doctor one can have is their own body. Mine is telling
me there is nothing can be done to save me, and has prescribed rest,
relaxation, and quiet to hold me over till the need for man-made
medications to ease my pain and despair forces me to turn to the
quacks.

I would imagine in a scenario where 2 dozen people are stranded
with enough food to eat and no natural enemy around (other than each
other), certain duties would befall certain people. Somebody is going
to get a bad toothache at some point. Can you do it? Me? Hell no,
too squeamish. Anybody here think they can do it? And sure enough
someone steps up to the plate, and boom - there's your dentist.

TJ

TJ

"Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
...

I'm not a major organics fan nor a major organics boo-bird... But I
am not the norm.
---

you are more the Cliff Clavin, if he had driven a cab.

"Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
...

Somebody is going to get a bad toothache at some point.
---

I brush my teeth after every meal. And when I wake up and when I go to
sleep... Granted I'm not so great at flossing, but I do once in a while.
What is it about flossing that makes it seem so bothersome?

I better go floss...

On 09/21/2012 10:29 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Sep 21, 8:27 pm, Todd > wrote:
>
>> Fortunately, I can only stop by this community farm
>> once a week or I'd go bankrupt. You must, you must
>> taste a community organic tomato that you pick yourself
>> from the vine. You will never buy produce in the store
>> again. (One of these days my black thumb will start
>> to turn a little green and I will get some good yields
>> from my tiny organic garden.)
>
>
> I'm not a major organics fan nor a major organics boo-bird.

My big boo is that the free market should make the decision.
Folks should have the ability to choose what they want and
let their dollars decide who meets their needs and who
does not.

> I
> won't argue your report that the non mass produced stuff tastes
> better. But maybe not in all cases. If you have the time and the
> nose for good fruit and veggies, then by all means stop at a good
> place and stay away from places you don't like. I could tell from the
> start that this topic is one that is high on your topic pole. I knew
> it. I do not dispute any of your opinions on this matter. But I do
> dispute one argument you used to support your opinion. Your comment
> about it being no wonder that kids and some older folks don't like to
> eat their veggies in my view is not related to the quality of the
> food,

I was stating pretty much everyone. I was taking license. And,
I was shooting at the "taste". Interesting that you used the
word "quality". They are probably the same.

> as when I was a kid most of the stuff was locally grown and I
> loved it and never had any problems with veggies other than lima beans
> which make me want to puke. But I am not the norm.

Lima Beans (speaking of toxic waste)! YUK!!! I only buy what
I like. Lima Beans would require a gun at my head. The local
grower I frequent also has Kale (more toxic waste). Obviously,
I don't purchase it.

If memory serves me, Lima Beans are similar to an Italian bean.
Immigrants substituted Lima beans as they could not get a hold
of the original. I sub Edamames.

> The truth is,
> even when the veggies were locally grown and as good as can be, even
> back in those days it was common for kids in general to disdain
> veggies. Maybe their bodies don't need them as much as they do the
> protein and fat and carbos to get them moving outside the house so the
> adults can enjoy themselves in silence for a change.

Here is a trick. Some of the local growers have field days for the
kids. They get to play with their food. Once they get the connection
between how produce is made, their attitude will change.

> Thanks for the
> rant. It was not a rant, just a report,

You are being kind.

> and one I do not dispute
> (except for trying to link kid's not liking veggies to the quality of
> the veggies, which I do not think is exclusively the case, or even
> remotely). .......... but that's just my opinion.
>
> TJ
>

Interesting, when I was a kid, when my mom tried to feed me
Broccoli, Brussels Sprouts, Asparagus, I literally thought
she was trying to kill me. Now you have to tie me down
to get me to stop eating them. Since this depression started,
I have not been able to afford Asparagus. I love Asparagus
so much I also can not wait for them to cook. (Frying pan,
olive oil, butter, garlic powder, Asparagus.) Now
a days, I substitute green beans and "pretend" they
are Asparagus.

Interesting how our tastes change. And how they do not. Lima
Beams should be illegal. Okay, I know, my own words, let the
Free Market decide.

-T

Todd wrote:
>
> Lima Beans (speaking of toxic waste)! YUK!!! I only buy what
> I like. Lima Beans would require a gun at my head.
>
> Interesting how our tastes change. And how they do not. Lima
> Beams should be illegal.

Learn to cook lima beans well and you actually might like them.

G.

On 09/24/2012 01:57 PM, Gary wrote:
> Todd wrote:
>>
>> Lima Beans (speaking of toxic waste)! YUK!!! I only buy what
>> I like. Lima Beans would require a gun at my head.
>>
>> Interesting how our tastes change. And how they do not. Lima
>> Beams should be illegal.
>
> Learn to cook lima beans well and you actually might like them.
>
> G.
>

Every journey begins with the first step. Problem is the second
or third step might make me puke. Someone else figure it out and
I will try a tiny piece! :-)

-T

Gary > wrote:
> Todd wrote:
>>
>> Lima Beans (speaking of toxic waste)! YUK!!! I only buy what
>> I like. Lima Beans would require a gun at my head.
>>
>> Interesting how our tastes change. And how they do not. Lima
>> Beams should be illegal.
>
> Learn to cook lima beans well and you actually might like them.
>
> G.

Butter bean soup, delicious. I also buy butter bean in a can, in a mild
sauce. It's my favorite bean.

My mother fed me asparagus. It was awful. Mush. Tasteless. She should have
learned to cook it right.

On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:44:52 -0700, Todd > wrote:

> On 09/24/2012 01:57 PM, Gary wrote:
> > Todd wrote:
> >>
> >> Lima Beans (speaking of toxic waste)! YUK!!! I only buy what
> >> I like. Lima Beans would require a gun at my head.
> >>
> >> Interesting how our tastes change. And how they do not. Lima
> >> Beams should be illegal.
> >
> > Learn to cook lima beans well and you actually might like them.
> >
> > G.
> >
>
> Every journey begins with the first step. Problem is the second
> or third step might make me puke. Someone else figure it out and
> I will try a tiny piece! :-)
>
> -T
Succotash isn't bad, in fact I like it.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"Todd" > wrote in message
...

> Interesting how our tastes change. And how they do not. Lima
> Beams should be illegal.

Lima beans should not be in any food group.

On Sep 24, 3:02*pm, Todd > wrote:

> Interesting, when I was a kid, when my mom tried to feed me
> Broccoli, Brussels Sprouts, Asparagus, I literally thought
> she was trying to kill me.
> Interesting how our tastes change. *And how they do not. Lima
> Beams should be illegal. *Okay, I know, my own words, let the
> Free Market decide.



Then you agree with me that even with the best produce available,
in general kids don't like vegetables as much as fattening stuff, and
that could be because if they're normal kids they need the fat. I am
not against educating kids to all foods and making them available, but
to force kids into vegetarian diets or any sort of diet period, that I
think is not right. At the same time I don't care because I figure if
you're a living creature on this earth you should consider yourself
lucky to have any sort of food available to you.

Let them eat shit!
TJ

On Sep 24, 4:57*pm, Gary > wrote:

> Learn to cook lima beans well and you actually might like them. *


You are correct but in some cases it may be too late. I have long
maintained that many of our tastes, especially the bad ones, are the
result of our first-time experience with that particular food. A lot
of people who eat all sorts of dead flesh are turned off by liver. I
say it's because the first time they had it it was made poorly and by
someone who themselves did not like it. I was in an orphanage where
you ate what they gave you, and if you didn't you got punished - and
they'd check your pockets. They had lima beans a lot, the big white
dry ones, just boiled, made me want to puke - so I'd get them out of
the way first. I'd get them into a pile and shovel them into mouth
and chew them while making a loud noise and shaking my head side to
side to block out the taste, then I'd take a glass of water and rinse
them down. Then I could eat the rest of the meal. I know they could
be made better - much better - but it would be hard to defeat the
early memories of those beans so deeply ingrained in my brain. Yet I
am overall a very open minded food guy who is willing to try anything.

TJ

On Sep 24, 8:29*pm, sf > wrote:

> Succotash isn't bad, in fact I like it.


The ultimate competition is when the whole world is starving and
people who ordinarily would not touch a certain food will now fight to
death to get it.

TJ

On 09/24/2012 10:18 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Sep 24, 3:02 pm, Todd > wrote:
>
>> Interesting, when I was a kid, when my mom tried to feed me
>> Broccoli, Brussels Sprouts, Asparagus, I literally thought
>> she was trying to kill me.
>> Interesting how our tastes change. And how they do not. Lima
>> Beams should be illegal. Okay, I know, my own words, let the
>> Free Market decide.
>
>
>
> Then you agree with me that even with the best produce available,
> in general kids don't like vegetables as much as fattening stuff, and
> that could be because if they're normal kids they need the fat. I am
> not against educating kids to all foods and making them available, but
> to force kids into vegetarian diets or any sort of diet period, that I
> think is not right. At the same time I don't care because I figure if
> you're a living creature on this earth you should consider yourself
> lucky to have any sort of food available to you.
>
> Let them eat shit!
> TJ
>

My contention is that if it tastes good, folks will eat it. Production
produce picked so green it never ripens (especially Organic Production
Produce) does not taste right.

As far as fat goes, I eat natural and organic meat all the time.
We are omnivorous and I am no exception. Some of the community
organic farms rotate between grass, produce, cattle, chicken,
lamb, etc.. They all go on the dinner table (not the grass).
Anyone who tells you to just each only one or only eat the other
is just foolish.

So, take you kids to the farms, let them play with their
food, let them eat their delicious produce next to
their delicious lamp chops.

-T

"Todd" > wrote in message
...
> On 09/24/2012 10:18 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
>> On Sep 24, 3:02 pm, Todd > wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting, when I was a kid, when my mom tried to feed me
>>> Broccoli, Brussels Sprouts, Asparagus, I literally thought
>>> she was trying to kill me.
>>> Interesting how our tastes change. And how they do not. Lima
>>> Beams should be illegal. Okay, I know, my own words, let the
>>> Free Market decide.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then you agree with me that even with the best produce available,
>> in general kids don't like vegetables as much as fattening stuff, and
>> that could be because if they're normal kids they need the fat. I am
>> not against educating kids to all foods and making them available, but
>> to force kids into vegetarian diets or any sort of diet period, that I
>> think is not right. At the same time I don't care because I figure if
>> you're a living creature on this earth you should consider yourself
>> lucky to have any sort of food available to you.
>>
>> Let them eat shit!
>> TJ
>>
>
> My contention is that if it tastes good, folks will eat it. Production
> produce picked so green it never ripens (especially Organic Production
> Produce) does not taste right.
>
> As far as fat goes, I eat natural and organic meat all the time.
> We are omnivorous and I am no exception. Some of the community
> organic farms rotate between grass, produce, cattle, chicken,
> lamb, etc.. They all go on the dinner table (not the grass).
> Anyone who tells you to just each only one or only eat the other
> is just foolish.
>
> So, take you kids to the farms, let them play with their
> food, let them eat their delicious produce next to
> their delicious lamp chops.
>
> -T

I may be the odd one out but I have always loved some vegetables. Broccoli,
Brussel sprouts and asparagus are not among them. I keep trying them
thinking my tastes will change but they do not. And there is just something
about asparagus texturwise that is not good. The worst thing ever has to be
canned asparagus. My mom gave it to us when we were kids.

We had a garden when I was a kid and when my dad no longer wanted to have
one, I put one in myself. Our growing season is short here in WA and I
never knew how much of anything I would get. Particularly tomatoes. People
I know who grow them seem to have gotten a bumper crop this year. But many
years there were none. A favorite was fresh peas. I would eat them right
off the vine. Even the pods.

My mom may not have been the best cook, but it's pretty hard to screw up raw
veggies. IMO, they taste good as is. I can actually eat raw broccoli. It
doesn't bother me tastewise, although I don't digest it well so I just don't
eat it. But when cooked it changes to something evil.

My daughter has always eaten veggies. Granted she doesn't eat a full range
of them but she eats more veggies than any other kid I know. One of her
first foods was canned green beans. I read that they are the perfect
toddler food. I gave them to her straight from the can. And to this day
that is how she prefers them. For many years, it just wasn't a meal to her
unless she had her beans.

I grew up in a house where we almost always had a salad and some other
vegetable for dinner. For holidays and occasionally at other times we had
the raw veggie platter and also a salad. If we had a meal like vegetable
soup or stew, we might not have other veggies. And if times were lean then
and only then might we do without.

My daughter has been taught the same. When we plan our meals there are
always veggies in it. I don't insist that she has a salad *and* a cooked
vegetable but I put a lot more in our salads than my mom ever did. Her
favorite was "honeymoon salad". That was (this was her joke and not mine)
lettuce alone. Which was usually a head of iceberg lettuce cut into four
wedges. There was no bagged salad in those days and iceberg was readily
available. We vary our greens and I put all sorts of other toppings on the
salads including beans and olives.

If we go out to eat, my daughter knows that she has to have a salad with her
meal if it doesn't come with veggies. She had buckwheat pancakes the other
night and also a dinner salad.

I do think it is important to eat from all colors of the rainbow and to eat
a wide variety of things. But if a kid will eat raw baby carrots and cooked
green beans, then eating those every day is better than eating no veggies at
all.

I hate it when parents tell me that their kids won't eat veggies. They will
if it is done right. And that doesn't mean giving them veggie after veggie
and maybe even drowning them in cheese sauce. But there are ways to add
them to pizza, spaghetti sauce, lasagna, soups, gravies, casseroles,
meatloaves, even smoothies. Recently my daughter went through a phase of
making her own smoothies and trying to see how much spinach she could put in
there. She said she could put an amazing amount of spinach in there and she
couldn't even taste it.

Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Sep 24, 4:57 pm, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Learn to cook lima beans well and you actually might like them.
>
>
> You are correct but in some cases it may be too late. I have long
> maintained that many of our tastes, especially the bad ones, are the
> result of our first-time experience with that particular food. A lot
> of people who eat all sorts of dead flesh are turned off by liver. I
> say it's because the first time they had it it was made poorly and by
> someone who themselves did not like it. I was in an orphanage where
> you ate what they gave you, and if you didn't you got punished - and
> they'd check your pockets. They had lima beans a lot, the big white
> dry ones, just boiled, made me want to puke - so I'd get them out of
> the way first. I'd get them into a pile and shovel them into mouth
> and chew them while making a loud noise and shaking my head side to
> side to block out the taste, then I'd take a glass of water and rinse
> them down. Then I could eat the rest of the meal. I know they could
> be made better - much better - but it would be hard to defeat the
> early memories of those beans so deeply ingrained in my brain. Yet I
> am overall a very open minded food guy who is willing to try anything.
>
> TJ

I have *always* loved lima beans! Exception being the way my husband's
family in PA fixes them. They do them in some sort of sweet tomato sauce.
Sort of like a baked bean but the taste of the lima and the sweet sauce just
doesn't go over well to me. Just too much contrast or something. I can eat
them. They are just by far not my preferred way of eating them.

At home, my brother and I took turns picking the vegetable for dinner. We
mostly only had canned vegetables unless I managed to produce something in
the garden. We also has a salad every night. He always picked corn. Not a
vegetable but a grain, I know. To this day, that is one of the few veggies
he will eat. He does eat salad but drowns it in dressing.

When it was my turn, I would always try to go for TWO veggies because I had
such a hard time deciding. And once in a while my mom would allow me. It
was rare that we had lima beans in the house, partly because they were more
expensive than the other veggies and partly because I was the only one who
liked them. I do realize that they have a different texture as do black
eyed peas. Another favorite. I just happen to like that texture!

I also prefer my veggies plain for the most part. I do like green beans
with onions and bacon. I like baked beans with a lot of onion. I don't
mind most mixed vegetables. But I am less than thrilled with frozen mixed
vegetables. There is just something kind of blah about those. I actually
do like Veg-All. I used to like those frozen green beans with almonds until
I began having issues with almonds. And I liked the Bavarian kind with the
pasta in it, until I got diabetes and had to watch my carbs. But I don't
usually like sauces on my veggies.

Perhaps this is because at home we mostly had plain foods. A typical meal
was a hamburger patty, canned peas, a salad and maybe something like home
fries. My mom generally didn't thicken stuff. Stew was in a runny tomato
juice. Roast beef was au jus. No gravy. We pretty much only had gravy for
a holiday meal with turkey. And there was never any cheese sauce. We did
have mac and cheese but it was the Kraft.

My husband OTOH grew up in a house with doctored vegetables. Carrots had to
be cooked in maple syrup. Broccoli and cauliflower were drowned in cheese.
Asparagus in Hollandaise sauce. Even raw veggies got messed up, IMO. My
FIl was growing kohlrabi for my SIL who loved it. Then I told him that I
loved it too! Once in a while we would actually get some to take home. But
mostly my MIL got to it first and ruined it for us. She kept cutting it up
and putting it in some sort of strange dressing and trying to make a salad
out of it. My SIL and I were like... No! Just cut it up and we'll eat it
just like that!

My mom's parents had a farm when I was little. I can remember my grandpa
harvesting things, maybe cutting them up with his pocket knife and giving
them to us just like that. I doubt that he even washed them. But then it
was basically a large family garden so it's not like there were a lot of
migrant workers touching the stuff with their bare, unwashed hands. But I
digress. That's how I learned to eat veggies. Like they came from the
earth.

Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Sep 24, 8:29 pm, sf > wrote:
>
>> Succotash isn't bad, in fact I like it.
>
>
> The ultimate competition is when the whole world is starving and
> people who ordinarily would not touch a certain food will now fight to
> death to get it.

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