Andy wrote:
> OT: Commuting in Sarasota, Florida .
>
> Just reported on the evening news, a 50 car accident.
>
> No mention what caused it. College party animals? Tanned leather
> skin senior citizens?
>
> You'd think they could see it coming!
>
> Andy

Driving in Florida is frightening. Have young Southern rednecks and
half retired New Yorkers or so it seems. I've driven there exactly once
and don't look forward to the next time.

-S-

Andy wrote:
>
> "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>
> > Driving in Florida is frightening. Have young Southern
> > rednecks and half retired New Yorkers or so it seems. I've
> > driven there exactly once and don't look forward to the
> > next time.
>
> Steve,
>
> I've heard of zero-visibility multi-car accidents. Florida was
> in broad daylight! I never did hear how it happened.
>

It's due to assmonkeys driving too fast and following too close. It happens
everywhere, not just in Florida. I hope all of them get large insurance
premium increases due to this.

G.

"Steve Freides" wrote in message ...

Andy wrote:
> OT: Commuting in Sarasota, Florida .
>
> Just reported on the evening news, a 50 car accident.
>
> No mention what caused it. College party animals? Tanned leather
> skin senior citizens?
>
> You'd think they could see it coming!
>
> Andy

Driving in Florida is frightening. Have young Southern rednecks and
half retired New Yorkers or so it seems. I've driven there exactly once
and don't look forward to the next time.

-S-

***************
I've never been to Florida and don't plan on going. I don't trust *any*
drivers. I drive very defensively and treat everyone as if they're
beginners who can't handle a car. This is why I've never had an accident
which was my fault. I've had people run into me, you betcha. I parked the
car outside a Walgreens, went inside for two minutes to buy something, came
out, found my car had been hit. I was extremely ticked off. I yelled, "Who
the F*** hit my car?!" A little old lady had parked an overly large
Cadillac right next to mine. She heard me, ran towards me saying, "It
wasn't me!" Really? (Of course the store didn't have security cameras so
no way to prove it was her.) What is the deal with older people and BIG
cars?

Then there's this. I went to the dollar store last week to pick up toilet
paper, etc. Someone had driven their golf cart there. The speed limit on
the road is 50 MPH. A good golf cart on its best day will go about 35
MPH... if you have a tail wind. Driving a golf cart to the store is not a
very bright idea. Not to mention it's illegal to drive those things on
public highways.

Jill

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Andy wrote:
>
> "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>
> > Driving in Florida is frightening. Have young Southern
> > rednecks and half retired New Yorkers or so it seems. I've
> > driven there exactly once and don't look forward to the
> > next time.
>
> Steve,
>
> I've heard of zero-visibility multi-car accidents. Florida was
> in broad daylight! I never did hear how it happened.
>

It's due to assmonkeys driving too fast and following too close. It happens
everywhere, not just in Florida. I hope all of them get large insurance
premium increases due to this.

G.
****************
You'd be lucky to find half of them have insurance. I'm betting it's due to
cell phone use and texting.

Years ago when I lived in TN I witnessed an accident. Someone was yakking
on her phone and ran right into the car stopped in front of her at the red
light. She looked surprised! Turn off the damn phone and pay attention to
your driving.

Jill

In article >, says...
>
> "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>
> > Driving in Florida is frightening. Have young Southern
> > rednecks and half retired New Yorkers or so it seems. I've
> > driven there exactly once and don't look forward to the
> > next time.
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
> I've heard of zero-visibility multi-car accidents. Florida was
> in broad daylight! I never did hear how it happened.
>
> I drove for a year in Florida without incident. Of course I
> never was into the Early Bird Specials.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy

All time best, most gruesome accident I ever saw was on SR-40 heading
toward Ormond Beach.

An RV, motorcyle and pickup truck were involved. The front of the RV was
sheared completely off the rest of the structure. The cab of the pickup
was crushed. And the guy riding the motorcycle - his head was in one
lane and his body in another.

"Steve Freides" > wrote:
> Andy wrote:
>> OT: Commuting in Sarasota, Florida .
>>
>> Just reported on the evening news, a 50 car accident.
>>
>> No mention what caused it. College party animals? Tanned leather
>> skin senior citizens?
>>
>> You'd think they could see it coming!
>>
>> Andy
>
> Driving in Florida is frightening. Have young Southern rednecks and
> half retired New Yorkers or so it seems. I've driven there exactly once
> and don't look forward to the next time.
>
> -S-

Scariest place I've driven is DC, Maryland area. Beltway like a race track.
Others, Houston, Los Angeles.

Greg

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:16:56 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:



>Then there's this. I went to the dollar store last week to pick up toilet
>paper, etc. Someone had driven their golf cart there. The speed limit on
>the road is 50 MPH. A good golf cart on its best day will go about 35
>MPH... if you have a tail wind. Driving a golf cart to the store is not a
>very bright idea. Not to mention it's illegal to drive those things on
>public highways.
>
>Jill

They are allowed in some communities though. Could be the streets are
not considered public roads though. I know someone that has a home in
Florida and there are always a bunch of carts at the store.

On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 01:09:42 +0000 (UTC), gregz >
wrote:


>
>Scariest place I've driven is DC, Maryland area. Beltway like a race track.
>Others, Houston, Los Angeles.
>
>Greg


Never been to Italy, I see.

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:54:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>
> They are allowed in some communities though. Could be the streets are
> not considered public roads though. I know someone that has a home in
> Florida and there are always a bunch of carts at the store

As the population ages, maybe the City Fathers will be telling bikers
to share their lanes with golf carts.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:57:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 01:09:42 +0000 (UTC), gregz >
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Scariest place I've driven is DC, Maryland area. Beltway like a race track.
> >Others, Houston, Los Angeles.
> >
> >Greg
>
>
> Never been to Italy, I see.

LOL! Rome is scary even when you cross the street on foot. Crossing
with a large crowd is highly recommended and stick together!

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:54:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:16:56 -0400, "jmcquown" >
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>Then there's this. I went to the dollar store last week to pick up toilet
>>paper, etc. Someone had driven their golf cart there. The speed limit on
>>the road is 50 MPH. A good golf cart on its best day will go about 35
>>MPH... if you have a tail wind. Driving a golf cart to the store is not a
>>very bright idea. Not to mention it's illegal to drive those things on
>>public highways.
>>
>>Jill
>
>They are allowed in some communities though. Could be the streets are
>not considered public roads though. I know someone that has a home in
>Florida and there are always a bunch of carts at the store.

Golf carts are legal on most in-town roads, just can't use them on the
interstate or on county roads where the speed limit exceeds the
capability of the golf cart. As long as the cart is fitted with the
manditory equipment such as turn signals, mirrors, and such they are
as legal for road use as a moped. I take my tractors out on the road
all the time. My 18 HP Kubota will do 35mph in high gear. There are
many types of small vehicals that are legal for street use so long as
they have plates, are registered, and have insurance.. My neighbor
drives one to those ATVs I call a Bush-Mobile... it's a John Deere
Gator.
https://www.deere.com/wps/dcom/en_US..._vehicles.page

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:54:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:16:56 -0400, "jmcquown" >
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>Then there's this. I went to the dollar store last week to pick up toilet
>>paper, etc. Someone had driven their golf cart there. The speed limit on
>>the road is 50 MPH. A good golf cart on its best day will go about 35
>>MPH... if you have a tail wind. Driving a golf cart to the store is not a
>>very bright idea. Not to mention it's illegal to drive those things on
>>public highways.
>>
>>Jill
>
>They are allowed in some communities though. Could be the streets are
>not considered public roads though. I know someone that has a home in
>Florida and there are always a bunch of carts at the store.

Golf carts are legal on most in-town roads, just can't use them on the
interstate or on county roads where the speed limit exceeds the
capability of the golf cart. As long as the cart is fitted with the
manditory equipment such as turn signals, mirrors, and such they are
as legal for road use as a moped.
******************
Golfing communities like where I live, sure. But once you get out of the
community the speed limit on is 50 MPH. I've never seen a golf cart that
will go that that fast. It is dangerous and ill advised to drive it on the
highway.

Jill

On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:11:19 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:54:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:16:56 -0400, "jmcquown" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Then there's this. I went to the dollar store last week to pick up toilet
>>>paper, etc. Someone had driven their golf cart there. The speed limit on
>>>the road is 50 MPH. A good golf cart on its best day will go about 35
>>>MPH... if you have a tail wind. Driving a golf cart to the store is not a
>>>very bright idea. Not to mention it's illegal to drive those things on
>>>public highways.
>>>
>>>Jill
>>
>>They are allowed in some communities though. Could be the streets are
>>not considered public roads though. I know someone that has a home in
>>Florida and there are always a bunch of carts at the store.
>
>Golf carts are legal on most in-town roads, just can't use them on the
>interstate or on county roads where the speed limit exceeds the
>capability of the golf cart.
>
>As long as the cart is fitted with the
>manditory equipment such as turn signals, mirrors, and such they are
>as legal for road use as a moped.
>******************
>Golfing communities like where I live, sure. But once you get out of the
>community the speed limit on is 50 MPH. I've never seen a golf cart that
>will go that that fast. It is dangerous and ill advised to drive it on the
>highway.

Reread that first sentence I wrote

> Golf carts are legal on most in-town roads, just can't use them on the
> interstate or on county roads where the speed limit exceeds the
> capability of the golf cart. As long as the cart is fitted with the
> manditory equipment such as turn signals, mirrors, and such they are
> as legal for road use as a moped.

That's true -- which means that in Florida, unless they have FL license
plates (which are also required for mopeds), they're not legal on public
roads at all. They may or may not be legal on the roadways of private gated
communities, as defined by the local homeowners' associations.

We're building a house in Sarasota right now, and have been spending a
lot of time down there in the last six months.

DC's beltway is not bad at all -- I've been driving cars and motorcycles
here for 30 years, no problem. It's nothing compared to Italy, or --
much, much worse -- Tokyo. And most third-world countries in Africa and
Asia, forget it.
-- Larry

On 10/7/2012 9:22 PM, pltrgyst wrote:

> DC's beltway is not bad at all -- I've been driving cars and motorcycles
> here for 30 years, no problem. It's nothing compared to Italy, or --
> much, much worse -- Tokyo. And most third-world countries in Africa and
> Asia, forget it.

Eh?? I drive the DC beltway daily, well not lately due to surgery, and
have done it for 16 years and it's treacherous! Then again, I've never
driven in Italy or Tokyo.

I drive from PG county near rt 50 around to 270, then it gets tame on
270 the rest of the way to work. I have to admit it seems a little
better since the ICC opened even though it's expensive to drive it. I
don't use it but count on others to.

On 10/6/2012 8:09 PM, gregz wrote:

> Scariest place I've driven is DC, Maryland area. Beltway like a race track.
> Others, Houston, Los Angeles.
>
> Greg


The freeways in Houston are 75mph bumper-to-bumper traffic jams. You
just hold your breath and hope nothing happens.

I am a friendly driver, I treat other drivers as if they were my next
door neighbor.

Becca

Cheryl wrote:

> I drive the DC beltway daily, well not lately due to surgery, and
> have done it for 16 years and it's treacherous!

Are you aware of the custom that the left lane should be used for
passing slower traffic?

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:57:44 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>Cheryl wrote:
>
>> I drive the DC beltway daily, well not lately due to surgery, and
>> have done it for 16 years and it's treacherous!
>
>Are you aware of the custom that the left lane should be used for
>passing slower traffic?
>

Many are not aware. I see plenty of drivers get in the left lane and
meander along at or below the speed limit ignoring everyone around
them.

I actually like driving in Italy. Yes, they do a lot of things that
are illegal, but they follow some simple rules. Stay right, give a
break to the car passing on a hill with a yellow double line, don't
get PO'd when passed. Speed limits and red lights are often thought
of as "suggestions" rather than rules, but now they use cameras to nab
you.

On 10/8/2012 8:36 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 10/6/2012 8:09 PM, gregz wrote:
>
>> Scariest place I've driven is DC, Maryland area. Beltway like a race
>> track.
>> Others, Houston, Los Angeles.
>>
>> Greg
>
>
> The freeways in Houston are 75mph bumper-to-bumper traffic jams. You
> just hold your breath and hope nothing happens.

Holy shit, that would scare me senseless.

>
> I am a friendly driver, I treat other drivers as if they were my next
> door neighbor.
>
> Becca

On 10/8/2012 11:57 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
>
>> I drive the DC beltway daily, well not lately due to surgery, and
>> have done it for 16 years and it's treacherous!
>
> Are you aware of the custom that the left lane should be used for
> passing slower traffic?
>
>
In my experience it's used for those shaving, putting on makeup and
talking on the phone.