Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 10/18/2012 8:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:33:02 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> > > > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You seriously need to learn to trim your posts. 50 today with
> > > > one
> > > >
> > > > liners at the bottom and 200 or more quoted lines.
> > >
> > > Suck it.
> >
> > Bozo bin, might see you again if someone quotes you.
> >
> Carol, Julie does the same thing as well as many others. KF them
> all.

I don't bozo bin people with real content. Just the repeated 200 line
folks with a mere 'me too' sort of add. That wastes my time. The only
communication I have had from this person was 'suck it'. Hardly worth
my time to bother with them.

If anyone sees real content from medavis5 let me know but actually, if
there is real content, I will see it in a quoted message.


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Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 10/17/2012 9:05 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > KenK wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > A chicken noodle casserole recipe I DLed and tried was not very
> > > good. Could someone post a favorite please?
> > >
> > > TIA
> >
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> > Julie posted one to not very resounding reviews but the main
> > problem is we can't tell if you are looking for a quick recipe
> > (most chicken cassaroles are designed to be a fast item to make) or
> > upscale epicure.
> >
> Carol, I thought I liked you, but wonder why you bring Julie's name
> into your reply. It seems to me just as a way to play a game with
> the group that says you support her. Seems odd to me.

Cheryl, I am my own person. I've been here since ?2006? maybe a bit
earlier. I do not play the games on 'support one person over another'.

KenK asked for some sort of chicken cassarole recipe but did not define
enough what he was looking for. I am seeking to define the type and
level better is all.


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Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 10/17/2012 9:05 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > > KenK wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > > > A chicken noodle casserole recipe I DLed and tried was not very
> > > > good. Could someone post a favorite please?
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > >
> > > Hi Ken,
> > >
> > > Julie posted one to not very resounding reviews but the main
> > > problem is we can't tell if you are looking for a quick recipe
> > > (most chicken cassaroles are designed to be a fast item to make)
> > > or upscale epicure.
> > >
> > Carol, I thought I liked you, but wonder why you bring Julie's name
> > into your reply. It seems to me just as a way to play a game with
> > the group that says you support her. Seems odd to me.
>
> Well probably because I was the first one to reply to him!

Yup! The recipe (such as it was) was not perfect, but then mine are
not either and you did try. Hope you do not mind that i refined your
version a bit back to him.


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On Oct 20, 8:18*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:17:46 -0500, Ema Nymton >
> wrote:
>
> > The South Beach Diet replaces bad carbs with good carbs, and bad fats
> > with good fats. The diet seems to be helpful for diabetics or anyone
> > trying to control blood glucose levels. It is actually a healthy diet,
> > and it works well for my firstborn. When I want to lose weight, I go on
> > a low carb diet.
>
> Thanks, Becca! *That would really help my husband. *He says he's
> "official" now, although he's not taking any medication yet. *My blood
> glucose level is on shaky ground, so it will help both of us.
>
> --
> I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

If you reduce carbs to 10-15% of your total calories (and weight those
heavily toward low glycemic foods), keep protein about the same (eat
as much or as little protein as you crave), and replace most of those
carb calories with fat (about 50-70% of calories from fat), you won't
have much to worry about as far as glucose levels. Insulin is for
type 1 folks. Then you can carefully add carbs back, and find the
level you tolerate. Atkins, Zone, and South Beach are all
instructive, but you don't need to follow any of their programs, just
get the general mindset. The key is making sure you eat enough fat to
get your cells used to burning ketones as well as glucose. High oleic
oils like olive oil, and foods rich in oleic like avocados, olives,
pecans and cashews are great choices.

Stay the heck away from empty carbs like wheat and rice, and avoid
potatoes too, at least for a while. Potatoes as a treat are OK, as is
corn, again, as a treat. If you can get your mind around substituting
fats as staple food as opposed to starches as staple calories, you're
going to be fine. If you can reject the pro-grain propaganda that
we've all had pounded into us for decades, you can stop pre-diabetes
in its tracks. Most folks can't do that because of the pervasive anti-
fat bias.

You like tequila. Well, one or two shots of tequila are fine, two or
three for your husband, since he is male, but I suggest a shot of
olive oil a day. Then there's chocolate. Sure, chocolate has sugar,
but if you give up empty starches, you can afford the carbs in
chocolate--of course in moderation. Calorie for calorie, chocolate is
not only more thrilling than bread or noodles, but more healthful, and
chocolate sweetened with erythritol and/or sucralose is *really*
healthful.

Then there's fiber. Green leafy veggies are spectacular, but adding
stuff like psyllium husk is good too. Citrus fiber products like
Citrucel are even better than psyllium--and far better tolerated by
many folks--but they're much pricier.

--Bryan

On 10/20/2012 12:46 AM, Christine Dabney wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:48:25 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>
>> First, how are you doing, Christine?
> So so. Walking unaided, but still on pain meds. Sleeping poorly.
> Minimal appetite...but I think that is due to the pain meds.. Getting
> cabin fever and wanting to be back in CA so bad right now. I am
> driving short distances about once a week or so...and that is about
> all I can handle...

Hang in there Chris! My surgeon took away the good pain meds and put me
back on low dose oxy + acetaminophen. The *******. Seriously, though,
take it as long as you need to, and in my case, if I still need
stronger, I'm going to look into pain management. I'll go by his
instructions if I can but I still have more pain than I need to have.

The appetite sure seems to come back. The sleeping well, not so much.

On 10/21/2012 4:18 AM, Christine Dabney wrote:

> OB food: I have a longtime friend in town this weekend. He is the
> nephew of one of my best friends who also lives here in town. We are
> trying to get the "family" together for something, possibly a
> meal..here at my place. Since my energy and stamina are still pretty
> much on the low side, I am thinking of easy to fix dishes.
>
> Sounds like a lot more work than it is....but I am really taking it
> easy.
>

I know you will!

> Hang in there yourself.

I posted in tears a little bit ago on FB because I just had a pretty bad
fall. I don't know why I did that (FB), maybe because I hit my head
hard and I live alone and don't want to be that "i've fallen and can't
get up" lady. Some of my FB friends are neighbors. the thing I learned
from that is that no matter how I feel like I can walk ok, I still need
the cane for support. I'm sure you'll need support for a while, too.
Don't be strong about it. i won't now. freaking knee bled all over and
i sure freaked out my cats. With the neuropathy I can't really feel one
foot and it tends to drag. Well, that didn't work out so well but I
think Im ok. Head hurts so I'm not sleeping in case of concussion. My
mom is going to freak when she sees that on FB.

Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:48:25 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>
>> First, how are you doing, Christine?
> So so. Walking unaided, but still on pain meds. Sleeping poorly.
> Minimal appetite...but I think that is due to the pain meds.. Getting
> cabin fever and wanting to be back in CA so bad right now. I am
> driving short distances about once a week or so...and that is about
> all I can handle...
>
> Christine
>
Sounds like a slow recovery, alas. And if it sounds slow to ME,
it must seem like a snail's pace to you. Keep going in the right
direction, Christine!

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Julie Bove wrote:
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/17/2012 10:34 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "KenK" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> A chicken noodle casserole recipe I DLed and tried was not very good.
>>>> Could
>>>> someone post a favorite please?
>>> What I've been making for my daughter is (and I don't measure
>>> ingredients),
>>> about 3 servings of cooked pasta, a can or box of cream of chicken soup,
>>> large can of peas drained, a little bit of pepper and parsley and a large
>>> can of chicken, drained. You can add some onions and mushrooms to this
>>> if
>>> you want. Bake at 350 for about a half an hour or in the microwave for a
>>> few minutes until heated through. If you don't want to use the soup, you
>>> could use a jar or box of gravy. Works just as well.
>>>
>>>
>> How does that work for the SB diet? I haven't been on it nor have I
>> researched it, but I thought all diets mean you have to measure
>> ingredients? Just curious...
>
> It is not necessary to measure food once you have been doing it for a while.
> Some servings are fairly obvious. Such as one medium apple or a slice of
> bread. Being a diabetic myself, I had to measure everything after I was
> first diagnosed. We don't necessarily eat only from our Corelle dishes. I
> have bought a variety of bowls in an assortment of sizes and I know how much
> each one holds. I know exactly how much pasta I am putting in a casserole
> or soup or whatever. And I know how to fluff things out with non starchy
> vegetables, more meat, cheese, fish or whatever.
>
> South Beach isn't a low carb diet as some people seem to think it is. Yes,
> the first two weeks have you eating no carbs except for those in non-starchy
> veggies and also beans. Beans are encouraged and unlimited. I don't think
> this diet would work for everyone. It is intended for those people who have
> intense carb cravings. And it is meant to stop the cravings. For that
> reason it does restrict the carbs to very specific things. And other things
> are always off limits.
>
> After the two weeks you begin adding things back in gradually. I don't have
> the books handy to look this up but I believe for the first day you add one
> fruit. And then maybe the next day that same one fruit and a carb. Fruits
> are not counted as carbs and neither are beans. Beans are always unlimited.
>
> You gradually work up to where you are eating three fruits and three carbs
> per day. Overall it is supposed to be a fairly low fat diet. You can eat
> most meats, fish, eggs, cheese, nuts, seeds, etc. I think the only fruits
> not allowed are watermelon and pineapple. Oh, no. Raisins are not allowed
> either. There could be one or two other fruits not allowed but they are not
> things that she ate so I wouldn't remember. For some reason carrots are not
> allowed, however they are a favorite raw vegetable for her and they don't
> seem to cause any carb cravings so she eats them. I don't think peas are
> allowed but there again they don't cause problems for her. White potatoes
> are not really allowed but the book does say if you do eat them, they should
> be fried. Sweet potatoes are allowed.
>
> Sugar is not supposed to be allowed but then someone...Kellogg's?...went out
> and made South Beach snack and meal replacement bars that do have sugar in
> them. So they changed to diet to accommodate these things. There are
> several versions of the book. I believe the first one said you could eat a
> serving of whatever the food was if it had 4g of sugar or less. Now it is
> 6g. Whole grains such as whole wheat, rye, quinoa, brown rice, buckwheat,
> etc. are allowed. Corn is not allowed. But that to me is confusing because
> it is a whole grain. So she does eat some popcorn. Not a lot.
>
> Once in a while we get a bag from Target and split it. We do not get a
> weekly bag like we used to. And once in a while I will make it at home for
> her. She does eat some corn tortillas. We eat out for Mexican food a lot
> and we know the owner of the restaurant. He prepares food specially for us.
> He does make a low carb burrito on a whole wheat tortilla but she doesn't
> like the tortilla or the huge amount of raw spinach that he puts in it. So
> she will have a chicken or steak dish with the vegetables, the beans, no
> rice and a corn tortilla. The way he does the plates, there is so much meat
> on there that she is usually quite full before she even gets to the beans
> and often she takes half of it home at that. And once I screwed up and
> bought some salsa that had corn in it. I don't really like corn in my salsa
> and I didn't care for it myself but she liked it. There was so little corn,
> I didn't worry about it.
>
> So on this diet you are supposed to eat three meals and two snacks daily.
> The snacks are always supposed to include protein and vegetables. The
> biggest problems she has with it are breakfast and lunch. Two meals she
> doesn't want to eat much of. She just isn't very hungry then. But she
> usually is very hungry by dinner time, especially on days like today where
> she takes several hours of dance before we eat.
>
> You can eat sugar free things and are encouraged to eat one sugar free treat
> per day such as a frozen fudge bar, pudding, frozen pop, etc. There is even
> a recipe that is supposed to be eaten in the beginning stages of the diet
> but she didn't like it. It's Ricotta cheese mixed with artificial sweetener
> and a flavor of your choice such as vanilla or cocoa. She does not eat much
> of these treats most likely because such things have never been a part of
> our diet.
>
>
Thanks for the info! I see that SB keeps evolving. I am reminded
that I felt stuffed when I was eating snacks--and that is not a
bad approach because you tend to eat less at meals and also not to
eat out of desperation.

Interestingly, although I am doing LC, it is kind-of combined with
SB or Montignac. I do eat most fruits, but they are isolated in
time. I also eat some legume, although I limit that.

I do eat that ricotta thing, but an evolved version thereof. Not
all ricotta cheese is equal! My favorite is Calabro's fat-free,
which claims not to be higher in carbs than the one with fat. (I
am not sure I believe that.) I like it because it's rather solid
(or was; it seems to have changed within the last month or so) and
not very grainy. Someone somewhere recommended TJ's ricotta,
which I then tried. I didn't like that because it's extremely grainy.

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Christine Dabney wrote:
[snip]
> My appetite sucks. I hate it. I ate a small half slice of a pizza
> this evening and I was stuffed.
[snip]
>
> Christine

But isn't it perhaps good that your appetite is diminished right
now, given that you can't be very active?

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