In article >,
says...
>
> On 10/23/2012 3:40 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > Dentists will now tell you not to rinse with hydrogen peroxide as they
> > once did. Nowadays they recommend Orajel Antiseptic Rinse or for more
> > severe cases (implants/bone grafts) they prescribe Chlorhexidine
> > Gluconate Oral Rinse, 0.12%. Anyone who has hydrogen peroxide in their
> > medicine chest should throw it away, for minor cuts/abrasions there
> > are much better/safer germicidals OTC.
>
> I have an oral rinse that was prescribed after several implants and my
> regular dentist practically swears when she hears I've had to use it.
> It stains your teeth.

Yeck! I remember that crap after I had my wisdom teeth out. I had all
four done at once, why repeat the misery.

It tastes horrible, that's all I can remember about it.

And of course I found out I can't tolerate codeine when I had the wisdom
teeth out. Fantastic!

In article >,
says...
>
> On 10/23/2012 3:40 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > Dentists will now tell you not to rinse with hydrogen peroxide as they
> > once did. Nowadays they recommend Orajel Antiseptic Rinse or for more
> > severe cases (implants/bone grafts) they prescribe Chlorhexidine
> > Gluconate Oral Rinse, 0.12%. Anyone who has hydrogen peroxide in their
> > medicine chest should throw it away, for minor cuts/abrasions there
> > are much better/safer germicidals OTC.
>
> I have an oral rinse that was prescribed after several implants and my
> regular dentist practically swears when she hears I've had to use it.
> It stains your teeth.

And btw, this is about 3 years ago since I had about $4K worth of dental
work done. Replaced a couple filling, root canal and cap for one molar,
and the wisdom teeth removed.

The most interesting was the root canal. I saw an endodontist for that
one and it literally took 30 minutes. Yes it's expensive to go the
specialist route but they're damned efficient.

In article >,
says...
>
> "George Leppla" wrote in message ...
>
> On 10/23/2012 11:33 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:10:05 -0400, Cheryl >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yikes! But root canals are much easier these days than they used to be.
> >> 5, though, that's more than my limit.
> >
> > I'm certainly glad to hear that because I have a tooth that will need
> > one someday and I haven't been happy thinking about that prospect.
> >
> (snip)
>
> I have had bad teeth all my life so you would think that by now I would
> be used to this stuff, but I'm not.
>
> George L
> **************
>
> One of my brothers had "soft" teeth. He got tired of going to the dentist
> several times a year, a couple of fillings here, a crown there. Year after
> year. So he had all of his teeth replaced with implants! It was a
> year-long process. He had major bone loss so she had to do bone grafts in
> his jaw first (ugh). I forget what it cost but I know it wasn't cheap. I
> seem to recall he borrowed against his 401K. (He negotiated a slightly
> lower rate in exchange for re-doing the website for her practice.)
> Naturally, a couple of months after he *finally* had a mouth full of "new"
> teeth, one of them broke off the post and had to be replaced. I guess it
> didn't solve all his going to the dentist problems after all
>
> Jill

With the general advances in medicine they've now figured out how to re-
grow the enamel on teeth. That is pretty damned cool.

On Oct 25, 9:29*am, sf > wrote:

> Marketing BS - necessary product? *Toothpaste is a relative newcomer
> in whole the scheme of things. *I don't give it much thought until I
> run out and then I think I need to buy more. *Why don't you use baking
> soda and hydrogen peroxide?


I have used baking soda. I don't go with the peroxide although I
have. I also use toothpaste. I'm not making a big deal of it, only
saying that lots of products are not necessary. Two that swiftly come
to mind are shampoo and toothpaste. But it would be hard to convince
those who grew up using such products. You really don't need
anything. Dry brushing is good. I don't do it, but there is such a
procedure and I tried it a few times and it works. I just don't go
for the taste. You rinse off a toothbrush and maybe your teeth, then
take the dried off brush and just slowly work it over your teeth until
they're clean. It works. So does washing your hair without soap or
shampoo. Lots of cosmetic products are totally unnecessary. I'm not
on a crusade against them, only saying they're not needed. But if
people want to believe they are needed, then who am I to try to change
their minds?

TJ

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> On Oct 25, 9:29*am, sf > wrote:
>
> > Marketing BS - necessary product? *Toothpaste is a relative newcomer
> > in whole the scheme of things. *I don't give it much thought until I
> > run out and then I think I need to buy more. *Why don't you use baking
> > soda and hydrogen peroxide?
>
>
> I have used baking soda. I don't go with the peroxide although I
> have. I also use toothpaste. I'm not making a big deal of it, only
> saying that lots of products are not necessary. Two that swiftly come
> to mind are shampoo and toothpaste. But it would be hard to convince
> those who grew up using such products. You really don't need
> anything. Dry brushing is good. I don't do it, but there is such a
> procedure and I tried it a few times and it works. I just don't go
> for the taste. You rinse off a toothbrush and maybe your teeth, then
> take the dried off brush and just slowly work it over your teeth until
> they're clean. It works. So does washing your hair without soap or
> shampoo. Lots of cosmetic products are totally unnecessary. I'm not
> on a crusade against them, only saying they're not needed. But if
> people want to believe they are needed, then who am I to try to change
> their minds?
>

Says you. I could live my entire life without toothpaste, but I
couldn't live it without real shampoo. Forget about Castile.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> On Oct 25, 9:29 am, sf > wrote:
>
(snip)

> I have used baking soda. I don't go with the peroxide although I
> have. I also use toothpaste. I'm not making a big deal of it, only
> saying that lots of products are not necessary.
(snippage)

> So does washing your hair without soap or shampoo. Lots of cosmetic
> products are totally unnecessary. I'm not
> on a crusade against them, only saying they're not needed. But if
> people want to believe they are needed, then who am I to try to change
> their minds?
>

Says you. I could live my entire life without toothpaste, but I
couldn't live it without real shampoo. Forget about Castile.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

********************
Sure, a lot of people lived without these products, before modern
inventions. I dislike having unwashed hair. Back in the olden days, people
made shampoo out of eggs and a little bit of home made soap. (from soap
root, no less). (Nope, sorry, I'm not going to do that. In those days,
people also only took a bath occasionally. I'll just buy a bottle of
shampoo

Having said that, I could probably live without toothpaste and just use
baking soda. The appeal of toothpaste is it is "minty fresh". I'd hate to
see Arm & Hammer offering "minty" baking soda. LOL

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Having said that, I could probably live without toothpaste and just use
> baking soda. The appeal of toothpaste is it is "minty fresh".

Baking soda actually works better (except for the taste). Toothpaste is
better to use long term though...it's mildly abrasive for cleaning. The
baking soda is highly abrasive and if you use it daily, you'll eventually
wear off the tooth enamel over time much quicker. This is from my dentist,
not just me guessing.

Gary

Gary wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Having said that, I could probably live without toothpaste and just use
>> baking soda. The appeal of toothpaste is it is "minty fresh".
>
>Baking soda actually works better (except for the taste). Toothpaste is
>better to use long term though...it's mildly abrasive for cleaning. The
>baking soda is highly abrasive and if you use it daily, you'll eventually
>wear off the tooth enamel over time much quicker. This is from my dentist,
>not just me guessing.
>
>Gary

Modern tooth pastes (ADA approved) contain an agent that dissolves
plaque and a bacteriostat. The old fashioned methods are fine in a
pinch but it's not wise to rely on them. And toothpaste is very
inexpensive... the store brands are exactly the same as the national
brands (WTF do you think makes them), only the packaging is different.
I haven't bought toothpaste in many years, I get free toothapaste from
my dental hygienist everytime she cleans my teeth.... she tosses a
handful of those small tubes in a bag along with brushes, floss, and
pick thingies, etc. and I can't use them up as fast as she supplies
them.

On Oct 26, 10:10*am, sf > wrote:

> Says you. *I could live my entire life without toothpaste, but I
> couldn't live it without real shampoo. *Forget about Castile.



That is your choice. There is no argument. I'm not a crusader
against shampoo, I'm only saying it's not a necessity and in fact in
many cases damages hair allowing the shampoo company to sell
conditioner for damage control. To each their own. I am not rabid
about it, I use soap on my hair now and then if the mood strikes. But
I'm telling you that most people will not allow themselves to go long
enough without shampooing their hair to discover that it often
improves with the stoppage.

TJ

On Oct 26, 11:21*am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
*******************
> Sure, a lot of people lived without these products, before modern
> inventions. *I dislike having unwashed hair.


Sorry for the snip but have to respond to your wording here. I
never mentioned "unwashed" hair, only "unshampooed" hair. I wash my
hair every day when I take a shower. I just don't use anything on
it. No one needs to. But like I said the first time, I'm not on some
kind of crusade to wipe out cosmetic products, only saying that most
are not needed even if the people who have been using them for years
think they are. Water and agitation are the cleaning agent, not the
soap.

TJ

On Oct 26, 3:40*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> Modern tooth pastes (ADA approved) contain an agent that dissolves
> plaque and a bacteriostat. *The old fashioned methods are fine in a
> pinch but it's not wise to rely on them. *And toothpaste is very
> inexpensive... the store brands are exactly the same as the national
> brands (WTF do you think makes them), only the packaging is different.
> I haven't bought toothpaste in many years, I get free toothapaste from
> my dental hygienist everytime she cleans my teeth.... she tosses a
> handful of those small tubes in a bag along with brushes, floss, and
> pick thingies, etc. and I can't use them up as fast as she supplies
> them.


I know you weren't talking to me but just for the record, I use
toothpaste, I merely said it's not needed. Neither is baking soda or
anything other than water and a good brushing. I read an article
years ago about dry brushing. I tried it but you have to keep
spitting, it seems. I think toothpaste is just to mask the taste and
smell of one's own stale breath. I use it daily mixed with water to
swish around in my mouth between the teeth as I do the dishes or some
other chore. Then I brush them. So just for the record, when I say
that certain products are not necessary, that does not mean I don't
use them on occasion. I just know that a lot of what we buy is 100%
unnecessary. If some new product came out tomorrow that was heads and
heels above another, I doubt it would even need advertising. You
think they'd have to advertise an anti-cancer vaccine? Hell, they'd
be lined up around the block. There's a big difference between what's
necessary and what is just a habit or a whim.

TJ

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 23:13:02 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>On Oct 26, 3:40*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> Modern tooth pastes (ADA approved) contain an agent that dissolves
>> plaque and a bacteriostat. *The old fashioned methods are fine in a
>> pinch but it's not wise to rely on them. *And toothpaste is very
>> inexpensive... the store brands are exactly the same as the national
>> brands (WTF do you think makes them), only the packaging is different.
>> I haven't bought toothpaste in many years, I get free toothapaste from
>> my dental hygienist everytime she cleans my teeth.... she tosses a
>> handful of those small tubes in a bag along with brushes, floss, and
>> pick thingies, etc. and I can't use them up as fast as she supplies
>> them.
>
>
> I know you weren't talking to me but just for the record, I use
>toothpaste, I merely said it's not needed. Neither is baking soda or
>anything other than water and a good brushing. I read an article
>years ago about dry brushing. I tried it but you have to keep
>spitting, it seems. I think toothpaste is just to mask the taste and
>smell of one's own stale breath. I use it daily mixed with water to
>swish around in my mouth between the teeth as I do the dishes or some
>other chore. Then I brush them. So just for the record, when I say
>that certain products are not necessary, that does not mean I don't
>use them on occasion. I just know that a lot of what we buy is 100%
>unnecessary. If some new product came out tomorrow that was heads and
>heels above another, I doubt it would even need advertising. You
>think they'd have to advertise an anti-cancer vaccine? Hell, they'd
>be lined up around the block. There's a big difference between what's
>necessary and what is just a habit or a whim.

You must be very young and/or very stupid... they still advertise the
polio vacine because many people don't vaccinate their kids... you can
bet your bipee that were there a cancer vaccine many folks wouldn't
get it... people still don't get a flu vaccine.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 23:04:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> On Oct 26, 10:10*am, sf > wrote:
>
> > Says you. *I could live my entire life without toothpaste, but I
> > couldn't live it without real shampoo. *Forget about Castile.
>
>
>
> That is your choice. There is no argument. I'm not a crusader
> against shampoo, I'm only saying it's not a necessity and in fact in
> many cases damages hair allowing the shampoo company to sell
> conditioner for damage control. To each their own. I am not rabid
> about it, I use soap on my hair now and then if the mood strikes. But
> I'm telling you that most people will not allow themselves to go long
> enough without shampooing their hair to discover that it often
> improves with the stoppage.
>
How much hair do you have on your head and how long is it?


--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 23:13:02 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> I know you weren't talking to me but just for the record, I use
>toothpaste, I merely said it's not needed. Neither is baking soda or
>anything other than water and a good brushing. I read an article
>years ago about dry brushing. I tried it but you have to keep
>spitting, it seems. I think toothpaste is just to mask the taste and
>smell of one's own stale breath. I use it daily mixed with water to
>swish around in my mouth between the teeth as I do the dishes or some
>other chore. Then I brush them. So just for the record, when I say
>that certain products are not necessary, that does not mean I don't
>use them on occasion. I just know that a lot of what we buy is 100%
>unnecessary. If some new product came out tomorrow that was heads and
>heels above another, I doubt it would even need advertising. You
>think they'd have to advertise an anti-cancer vaccine? Hell, they'd
>be lined up around the block. There's a big difference between what's
>necessary and what is just a habit or a whim.

You must be very young and/or very stupid... they still advertise the
polio vacine because many people don't vaccinate their kids... you can
bet your bipee that were there a cancer vaccine many folks wouldn't
get it... people still don't get a flu vaccine.

**********
The polio vaccine is still available because, as you say, many parents don't
vaccinate their kids. Polio had been practically eradicated in the US until
parents got complacent. Do schools still require vaccination records before
enrolling kids? They used to. Every time my dad was transferred we had to
provide shot records to the new school.

There are so many different types of cancer it is hard to believe any one
vaccine could be a cure for all types of cancer. So no, I probably wouldn't
get one.

I also don't get flu vaccinations. There are too many strains of the flu.
The CDC can't possibly know which one will break out each year. Also, they
say you may experience mild flu-like symptoms. The one time I got a flu
shot I got a full blown case of the flu. I was sick for a week. Other than
that unhappy result, I haven't had any strain of the flu in 20+ years.
YMMV.

Jill

"sf" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 23:04:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> On Oct 26, 10:10 am, sf > wrote:
>
> > Says you. I could live my entire life without toothpaste, but I
> > couldn't live it without real shampoo. Forget about Castile.
>
>
>
> That is your choice. There is no argument. I'm not a crusader
> against shampoo, I'm only saying it's not a necessity and in fact in
> many cases damages hair allowing the shampoo company to sell
> conditioner for damage control. To each their own. I am not rabid
> about it, I use soap on my hair now and then if the mood strikes. But
> I'm telling you that most people will not allow themselves to go long
> enough without shampooing their hair to discover that it often
> improves with the stoppage.
>
How much hair do you have on your head and how long is it?


--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila
**************

Men like my SO who are mostly bald (with a bit of "fringe" - he hates that
term!) don't understand the need for shampoo. A bar of soap run across
their head works for them. IMHO a bar of soap is even worse for my shoulder
length hair than shampoo.

As for toothpaste, yes, I use that, too. My dad didn't pay for braces just
so I could let my teeth go to hell. I use a fluoride rinse after brushing.

Jill

On Oct 26, 11:07*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> On Oct 26, 11:21*am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> *******************
>
> > Sure, a lot of people lived without these products, before modern
> > inventions. *I dislike having unwashed hair.
>
> * *Sorry for the snip but have to respond to your wording here. *I
> never mentioned "unwashed" hair, only "unshampooed" hair. *I wash my
> hair every day when I take a shower. *I just don't use anything on
> it. *No one needs to. *But like I said the first time, I'm not on some
> kind of crusade to wipe out cosmetic products, only saying that most
> are not needed even if the people who have been using them for years
> think they are. *Water and agitation are the cleaning agent, not the
> soap.
>
> TJ

I have to disagree with you on the shampoo- if you use any gel,
mousse, or hairspray, it will build up. Most men don't, so you may be
able to get away with your method. The less you wash, the better- oil
is a defense, so when it's stripped away, your body says to produce
more. I have long hair, and can get away with 2-3 days between
shampoos. Heck, when I was a hairdresser, the old gals would come in
for their weekly "shampoo/set"!

On 10/26/2012 12:26 AM, T wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 10/23/2012 3:40 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> Dentists will now tell you not to rinse with hydrogen peroxide as they
>>> once did. Nowadays they recommend Orajel Antiseptic Rinse or for more
>>> severe cases (implants/bone grafts) they prescribe Chlorhexidine
>>> Gluconate Oral Rinse, 0.12%. Anyone who has hydrogen peroxide in their
>>> medicine chest should throw it away, for minor cuts/abrasions there
>>> are much better/safer germicidals OTC.
>>
>> I have an oral rinse that was prescribed after several implants and my
>> regular dentist practically swears when she hears I've had to use it.
>> It stains your teeth.
>
> And btw, this is about 3 years ago since I had about $4K worth of dental
> work done. Replaced a couple filling, root canal and cap for one molar,
> and the wisdom teeth removed.
>
> The most interesting was the root canal. I saw an endodontist for that
> one and it literally took 30 minutes. Yes it's expensive to go the
> specialist route but they're damned efficient.
>
>
Agree. I'll always ask for a specialist if there's one available. No
sense going through shit, then have to see them anyways. BTDT.

On 10/26/2012 3:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> I haven't bought toothpaste in many years, I get free toothapaste from
> my dental hygienist everytime she cleans my teeth.... she tosses a
> handful of those small tubes in a bag along with brushes, floss, and
> pick thingies, etc. and I can't use them up as fast as she supplies
> them.


same here. I get my teeth cleaned every 3 months so those samples they
give last longer than that. I always ask for Sensodine.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:53:38 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

> A bar of soap run across
> their head works for them. IMHO a bar of soap is even worse for my shoulder
> length hair than shampoo.

My husband, who has a full head of hair, used bar soap on his hair
until I civilized him. He realized that his hair felt cleaner and
looked better after he tried it, so it wasn't too hard to convince him
to switch once he gave real shampoo a chance.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 20:34:13 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 10/26/2012 3:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> I haven't bought toothpaste in many years, I get free toothapaste from
>> my dental hygienist everytime she cleans my teeth.... she tosses a
>> handful of those small tubes in a bag along with brushes, floss, and
>> pick thingies, etc. and I can't use them up as fast as she supplies
>> them.
>
>
>same here. I get my teeth cleaned every 3 months so those samples they
>give last longer than that. I always ask for Sensodine.

I have my teeth cleaned every four months. My dentist's office gives
Colgate, among all the types I have Sensitive Pro-Relief and Sensitive
Enamel-Protect. At times I have so many I give some away. I see lots
of people when I'm out shopping who have the most neglected teeth,
filthy, stained, broken, and missing... obviously they don't own a
toothbrush and haven't been seen by a dentist in many years... one can
only wonder about their other personal hygiene. My dental hygienist
says sometimes someone calls with an emergency, their teeth are so
neglected/disgustingly filthy that they refuse service.

"jmcquown" wrote:
>
>A bar of soap run across their head works for them.
>IMHO a bar of soap is even worse for my shoulder
>length hair than shampoo.

Bar soap (even liquid soaps) coat hair and doesn't rinse off, soaps
also clog hair folicles. Hair conditioners are bad for hair too,
they're animal fat, they dirty up your just washed hair... if you use
a conditioner you may as well use bar soap. Shampoo is cheap, and the
generics work fine. I typically use generic baby shampoo, it's
exactly the same as Johnson & Johnson, only the packaging is
different. I also use a shampoo brush, there are many to choose from
but I like this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o01_s00_i00

It's also important to use a good hair brush, so happens that after
some forty years my old Kent military brush is kaput so I just ordered
a new one and I'm waiting for it to arrive:
http://www.amazon.com/Kent-MN11-Hair...kent+brush+men

On 10/28/2012 11:37 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> I have my teeth cleaned every four months. My dentist's office gives
> Colgate, among all the types I have Sensitive Pro-Relief and Sensitive
> Enamel-Protect. At times I have so many I give some away. I see lots
> of people when I'm out shopping who have the most neglected teeth,
> filthy, stained, broken, and missing... obviously they don't own a
> toothbrush and haven't been seen by a dentist in many years... one can
> only wonder about their other personal hygiene. My dental hygienist
> says sometimes someone calls with an emergency, their teeth are so
> neglected/disgustingly filthy that they refuse service.

That's just silly. Back when I wanted to get braces to fix my bite a
few years ago, my teeth were also very neglected. I had simply just
brushed for years and didn't bother with the dentist unless I had pain,
just like your example above. After my financial situation improved, I
had the dentist give me a treatment plan that took 2 years before they'd
give me braces. After all of that I'll never neglect them again. I used
to think I'd rather just have them all removed and get dentures and that
may still happen one day, but it won't be by choice.

On 10/25/2012 9:19 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> One of my brothers had "soft" teeth. He got tired of going to the
> dentist several times a year, a couple of fillings here, a crown there.
> Year after year. So he had all of his teeth replaced with implants! It
> was a year-long process. He had major bone loss so she had to do bone
> grafts in his jaw first (ugh). I forget what it cost but I know it
> wasn't cheap. I seem to recall he borrowed against his 401K. (He
> negotiated a slightly lower rate in exchange for re-doing the website
> for her practice.) Naturally, a couple of months after he *finally* had
> a mouth full of "new" teeth, one of them broke off the post and had to
> be replaced. I guess it didn't solve all his going to the dentist
> problems after all

That's the route I'm taking, too. So far 3 implants, and for the teeth
with roots that are still in good shape, crowns. This is all just the
top teeth so far.

On Oct 27, 9:33*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> You must be very young and/or very stupid... they still advertise the
> polio vacine because many people don't vaccinate their kids... you can
> bet your bipee that were there a cancer vaccine many folks wouldn't
> get it... people still don't get a flu vaccine.


I'm 65 asshole and I don't agree with your comments at all, yet am
not calling you stupid because of it, even though you are stupid most
of the time. My point was that if there were a "cure" for cancer -
maybe vaccine was the wrong word choice - people would be lined up the
block and they wouldn't need advertisements to put them there. The
post was about advertising. I'm saying that most advertised products
have nothing over their competitors, which is why they rely on
advertising to sell them. A cure or even a vaccine for cancer would
not require advertisement. Maybe an initial announcement, but not a
series of advertisements the likes of which we were talking about.
Your attempts to stir the pot are often lame and obvious, but I'm
responding here to tell you that I think you're wrong - or more
appropriately that I'm right - because all you do is wait for people
to give their opinions and then jump on them to give your own opinions
which are too weak to present on their own. You are a counter
puncher - and a lousy one at that. Do yourself a favor and get back
in the kitchen and stay out of intelligent conversations.

TJ

On Oct 27, 11:08*am, sf > wrote:

> How much hair do you have on your head and how long is it?



I'm 65 and have every bit of my hair. I have good hair. But a few
years ago I got tired of getting haircuts that didn't live up to my
standards, so I started getting a buzz cut to the scalp once or twice
and year and then letting my hair grow out until it got long enough to
be an annoyance.

Now I do not want to argue, nor am I trying to persuade you to
agree with me, I'm just relaying the facts of my own case. I had an
uncle who was a very clean and healthy and practical guy (now dead -
but if you want to say something bad about him be my guest), who never
used soap anywhere on his body but showered every day. I knew another
guy who was clean in all aspects (not that I ever got down and smelled
his or my uncle's asshole), who said he only used soap on "strategic"
spots. But my uncle was more adamantly opposed to shampoo on the head
than soap on the body.

But let me get to the point. Thanks. I always noticed that I
liked the look and feel of my hair a day or more after the last time I
washed it - back when I was using shampoo. One day I decided to use
just water. My hair felt heavier than it does after using shampoo.
It was a strange feeling. Not a bad feeling, just different. I
grabbed some of my just cleaned hair strands and pulled them and got
the same squeak I'd have gotten had I used shampoo. I decided to go
with that method another day. Finally I went a week and that's when I
knew my uncle was right. It's hard to get people to stop doing what
they do. We're all creatures of habit. But I'm telling you now that
I know that shampoo is not a necessary thing even though there are
millions who grew up on it and think it is and there's no way or at
least little chance that anybody is going to change their minds. I am
not trying to do that, although it would be nice if it happened.
Anyway, I have really good hair, probably my best feature along with
my face, on which I also do not use soap. I am not fanatical about
it. I will use soap on my head if I've gone a while without showering
as can happen with a depressed alcoholic who doesn't drink as much as
he used to because he found out as he got older that he didn't even
have to drink anymore to get a hangover. Anyway, I have great hair,
and I'm not saying that not using soap has anything to do with it. I
know it's genetics. Onward.

TJ

On Oct 27, 11:43*am, "jmcquown" > wrote:

> I also don't get flu vaccinations.


I have never had a flu vaccine and never will. I too am not in
love with the idea of being a guinea pig. But with cancer it's a far
different story than polio. I was around during the polio thing. I
remember kids who had it. But cancer is running neck and neck with
heart disease as our number one killer, so I doubt would turn down an
opportunity to put it on the defensive. By the way, as I already
admitted to instigator brooklyn1, I really did not mean "vaccine" as
much as a "cure" for cancer. But even with a vaccine I'm sure the
lines would be long and I'm saying once again for the final time that
no on-going advertisements would be required to get people into those
lines. The conversation was about advertising and commercials, not
cancer or polio. That's what I get for using an example, a lonely and
depressed instigator like brooklyn jumping down my throat on the basis
of wording that could have been better on my part.

TJ

On Oct 27, 1:28*pm, merryb > wrote:

> > * *Sorry for the snip but have to respond to your wording here. *I
> > never mentioned "unwashed" hair, only "unshampooed" hair. *I wash my
> > hair every day when I take a shower. *I just don't use anything on
> > it. *No one needs to. *But like I said the first time, I'm not on some
> > kind of crusade to wipe out cosmetic products, only saying that most
> > are not needed even if the people who have been using them for years
> > think they are. *Water and agitation are the cleaning agent, not the
> > soap.


> I have to disagree with you on the shampoo- if you use any gel,
> mousse, or hairspray, it will build up. Most men don't, so you may be
> able to get away with your method. The less you wash, the better- oil
> is a defense, so when it's stripped away, your body says to produce
> more. I have long hair, and can get away with 2-3 days between
> shampoos. Heck, when I was a hairdresser, the old gals would come in
> for their weekly "shampoo/set"!


Well, in your own way you actually sort of agreed with me on this
when you said you used to go 3 days between shampoos. Most men I know
use shampoo. It's not a gender thing to me. I just felt that my hair
felt and looked better after two days or not washing it - with or
without soap (shampoo, same thing in essence). So I decided to try
going without shampoo and my hair felt odd, different I might say, but
not bad. I stuck with it. I'm not inflexible. I'll use soap or
shampoo now and then if in the mood, yet I still say it's not a
necessary item. I can't win the argument and won't try. In fact
there is no argument. Do what you will with your hair and I'll take
care of my own.

Thanks,
TJ

On Oct 27, 10:13*pm, sf > wrote:

> My husband, who has a full head of hair, used bar soap on his hair
> until I civilized him. *He realized that his hair felt cleaner and
> looked better after he tried it, so it wasn't too hard to convince him
> to switch once he gave real shampoo a chance.


Your husband? And all this time I thought you were a guy. On the
basis of one of your sarcastic posts to me the other day I was
considering calling you a "stupid asshole" but now on the basis of
this new information will have to change that to "stupid bitch". That
was a joke SF - dig it? - a joke. But your story about your hubby and
the bar soap vs shampoo still does not alter my original comments that
say neither are necessary and that pure water will do a very good job
if not a superior one. But believe what you will and do what you do
because after all, it's your hair.

It's your head, do what you wanna do,
TJ

On Oct 28, 12:42*pm, Cheryl > wrote:

> That's the route I'm taking, too. *So far 3 implants, and for the teeth
> with roots that are still in good shape, crowns. This is all just the
> top teeth so far.


There are plenty of people who would chose to take your route
but not everyone can afford crowns and implants, so some of us have to
settle for being at the mercy of dentists who can but do not want to
fill teeth because they'd rather sell the crowns. If you can't afford
them, adios, see ya next time. Do you think most of the people
walking around with missing teeth wanted it that way or all deserved
it because they didn't take care of their teeth? I'll tell you one
route I've taken and so far have not looked back, and that is the
route of not having any kind of insurance ever in my life, not even
for driving as I drove a cab all those years and was always driving
for somebody else. I do not buy insurance because my philosophy is
"there is no insurance". Especially for those who cannot afford it.

TJ