With the present state of the economy, some people can no longer afford
both rent, utilities and food. The cost of rent and utilities keeps
going up, so the only place to cut costs is food. Ramen Noodles are
cheap. On sale they can cost as little as 20 cents a pack. If a person
eats two packs per day, their weekly cost for food is only $2.80, or
$11.20 per month. If purchased in quantity, a person might be able to
eat an entire month on $10. That is all some people can afford these
days. This is especially true for the elderly and disabled. The
question arises, is this a healthy diet. Or maybe not exactly
*healthy*, but can a person live on this alone?

> wrote in message
...
> With the present state of the economy, some people can no longer afford
> both rent, utilities and food. The cost of rent and utilities keeps
> going up, so the only place to cut costs is food. Ramen Noodles are
> cheap. On sale they can cost as little as 20 cents a pack. If a person
> eats two packs per day, their weekly cost for food is only $2.80, or
> $11.20 per month. If purchased in quantity, a person might be able to
> eat an entire month on $10. That is all some people can afford these
> days. This is especially true for the elderly and disabled. The
> question arises, is this a healthy diet. Or maybe not exactly
> *healthy*, but can a person live on this alone?

Not forever, no. There is very little protein in those noodles, far too
much sodium (IMO) and probably no vitamin C. Although they could probably
be the bulk of the diet, one would have to add in some nuts, fruit and veg
and perhaps occasional meat or fish.

I do know that plenty of college students have lived off of those things.
But they so also get occasional pizza and stuff.

We've been increasing our bean and rice intake. Particularly the beans.
Those are quite cheap. Not as cheap as the Ramen. But... I have only had
Ramen a few times in my life and I wasn't overly found of it. Yes, it will
do for me in a pinch or if I am sick which is why I foolishly bought more
than a case of it once. I had a really bad cold and found a Campbell's fat
free brand of chicken Ramen. I bought a whole shopping cart full for about
$3.00. Because I was sick and my nose was so stuffed, I couldn't really
taste it. So it was fine for about three days. And then? I never wanted
to see it again. I wound up donating it to the food bank.

What a person could do to make it a better meal would be to add a chopped
cooked egg or a bit of cooked meat and a small amount of cooked veggies.
Veggies like cabbage, carrots and onion are usually cheap. You could then
make a meal for the entire family out of that and it wouldn't be too bad
nutritionally.

Oh and did you know that a package of Ramen is more than one serving? Yep!
I think they have two servings. But people always eat the whole thing.
Just like the foil pack of Poptarts.

Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by adding
a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it was
invented to keep people from starving.
If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
weight loss.
Vickie

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:34:28 +1100, John J > wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:59:35 -0700, (Janet Price)
>wrote:
>
>>Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by adding
>>a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it was
>>invented to keep people from starving.
>> If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
>>weight loss.
>
>Vegetables yes, but do we need meat? How about vegetarians?

Humans need a diet composed of sufficient "essential" amino acids, not
all of which are in any single vegetable. Which is why beans and rice
is so popular among vegetarians. Beans AND rice provide a complete set
of all essential amino acids.

John Kuthe...

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> To the OP,,
> .............................

> In the future kindly keep your stupid rhetorical quesstions to
> yourself.

.... Andy, have you been eating too many Ramen Noodles??

pavane

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:34:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:59:35 -0700, (Janet Price)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by adding
>>>a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it was
>>>invented to keep people from starving.
>>> If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
>>>weight loss.
>>
>>Vegetables yes, but do we need meat? How about vegetarians?
>
> Humans need a diet composed of sufficient "essential" amino acids, not
> all of which are in any single vegetable. Which is why beans and rice
> is so popular among vegetarians. Beans AND rice provide a complete set
> of all essential amino acids.
>
> John Kuthe...

That's actually a myth.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:34:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:59:35 -0700, (Janet Price)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by adding
>>>>a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it was
>>>>invented to keep people from starving.
>>>> If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
>>>>weight loss.
>>>
>>>Vegetables yes, but do we need meat? How about vegetarians?
>>
>> Humans need a diet composed of sufficient "essential" amino acids, not
>> all of which are in any single vegetable. Which is why beans and rice
>> is so popular among vegetarians. Beans AND rice provide a complete set
>> of all essential amino acids.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> That's actually a myth.


If by myth you mean: they have to be eaten at the same time. It can be a
few hours apart... Hippos are vegetarian and seem to be very strong and
healthy. So is William Shatner.

Is it true that complementary proteins must be eaten together to count
as a complete protein source?
In the past, it was thought that these complementary proteins needed
to be eaten at the same meal for your body to use them together. Now studies
show that your body can combine complementary proteins that are eaten within
the same day.1

http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyon...s/protein.html

On Oct 31, 7:25*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> That's actually a myth.

Less than the myth of you're actual existence.

http://www.tichardfisher.com

pure carbs and salt. better off eating eggs every day.

wrote:
>
> With the present state of the economy, some people can no longer afford
> both rent, utilities and food. The cost of rent and utilities keeps
> going up, so the only place to cut costs is food. Ramen Noodles are
> cheap. On sale they can cost as little as 20 cents a pack. If a person
> eats two packs per day, their weekly cost for food is only $2.80, or
> $11.20 per month. If purchased in quantity, a person might be able to
> eat an entire month on $10. That is all some people can afford these
> days. This is especially true for the elderly and disabled. The
> question arises, is this a healthy diet. Or maybe not exactly
> *healthy*, but can a person live on this alone?

For a month you likely won't get sick. For much longer go with grains
plus legumes. Rice and beans are the most common choice for this.

I think the food dollar would be better spent on real food i.e. bananas, beans, and other things which are less than 2 bucks a pound. I saw chickens on sale for 99 cents a pound. A little effort and ingenuity goes far.

As to the elderly, tho, I can see where the effort of cooking a chicken could be a hindrance. It's a tough call when food budget is limited.

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:24:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:34:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:59:35 -0700, (Janet Price)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by adding
>>>>a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it was
>>>>invented to keep people from starving.
>>>> If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
>>>>weight loss.
>>>
>>>Vegetables yes, but do we need meat? How about vegetarians?
>>
>> Humans need a diet composed of sufficient "essential" amino acids, not
>> all of which are in any single vegetable. Which is why beans and rice
>> is so popular among vegetarians. Beans AND rice provide a complete set
>> of all essential amino acids.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>That's actually a myth.

Absolutely. No combination of just veggies supplies all the essential
amino acid... whole grain buckwheat groats comes closesest but not
quite close enough. People who claim to be vegeterians lie... they
all sneak some meat or they'd not live a year.

On 10/31/2012 11:11 AM, Kalmia wrote:
> I think the food dollar would be better spent on real food i.e. bananas, beans, and other things which are less than 2 bucks a pound. I saw chickens on sale for 99 cents a pound. A little effort and ingenuity goes far.
>
> As to the elderly, tho, I can see where the effort of cooking a chicken could be a hindrance. It's a tough call when food budget is limited.
>

In the early 70's in Wisconsin when I was working and going to college,
I would buy 10 loaves of frozen bread dough for $1 and 10 small cans of
Hunts tomato sauce for $1. The local cheese "factory" sold mozzarella
really cheap. I could make a pizza for well under $1 total.

I'll have to look around and see what it would cost today.

George L

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:22:11 PM UTC-4, George L wrote:
> On 10/31/2012 11:11 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>
> > I think the food dollar would be better spent on real food i.e. bananas, beans, and other things which are less than 2 bucks a pound. I saw chickens on sale for 99 cents a pound. A little effort and ingenuity goes far.
>
> >
>
> > As to the elderly, tho, I can see where the effort of cooking a chicken could be a hindrance. It's a tough call when food budget is limited.
>
> >
>
>
>
> In the early 70's in Wisconsin when I was working and going to college,
>
> I would buy 10 loaves of frozen bread dough for $1 and 10 small cans of
>
> Hunts tomato sauce for $1. The local cheese "factory" sold mozzarella
>
> really cheap. I could make a pizza for well under $1 total.
>
>
> he early 80s
> I'll have to look around and see what it would cost today.
>
>
>
> George L

In the early 70s, I could get by on about 15 dollars a week for groceries. Granted, I did eat out a couple of times a week. I wish I had a typical grocery receipt for those times to see what all I bought. I do remember something called How Now Braun Cow, a hamburg 'n' rice stretcher. A big batch of this could supply me with supper for many a night. My money in those days went toward what would be today's Coach bags etc. Young and foolish with money was I and not too nutritionally focused.

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:24:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:34:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:59:35 -0700, (Janet Price)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by adding
>>>>a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it was
>>>>invented to keep people from starving.
>>>> If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
>>>>weight loss.
>>>
>>>Vegetables yes, but do we need meat? How about vegetarians?
>>
>> Humans need a diet composed of sufficient "essential" amino acids, not
>> all of which are in any single vegetable. Which is why beans and rice
>> is so popular among vegetarians. Beans AND rice provide a complete set
>> of all essential amino acids.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>That's actually a myth.

Absolutely. No combination of just veggies supplies all the essential
amino acid... whole grain buckwheat groats comes closesest but not
quite close enough. People who claim to be vegeterians lie... they
all sneak some meat or they'd not live a year.



I don't know about "sneak some meat" but they sure seem damned determined to
make vegetables *taste* like meat. Vegetarian sausages, vegetarian burgers.
What's the point? If you want it to taste like meat, eat meat.

Jill

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
>I think the food dollar would be better spent on real food i.e. bananas,
>beans, and other things which are less than 2 bucks a pound. I saw
>chickens on sale for 99 cents a pound. A little effort and ingenuity goes
>far.
>
> As to the elderly, tho, I can see where the effort of cooking a chicken
> could be a hindrance. It's a tough call when food budget is limited.

======

..99 cents a pound is not cheap where I am, they're usually on sale for .79
for the whole fryers, and today...10 pound bags of chicken leg quarters for
..58 a pound. I'm in CA. I think roasting a chicken is probably about the
easiest thing there is to cook, and unless disabled I can't imagine that an
elderly person couldn't do it since it doesn't take much effort.

Cheri

"Kalmia" wrote in message
...

I think the food dollar would be better spent on real food i.e. bananas,
beans, and other things which are less than 2 bucks a pound. I saw chickens
on sale for 99 cents a pound. A little effort and ingenuity goes far.

As to the elderly, tho, I can see where the effort of cooking a chicken
could be a hindrance. It's a tough call when food budget is limited.



Roasting a chicken isn't difficult. And you don't have to get all that
creative. Sprinkle the chicken with S&P, brush on a little butter to crisp
the skin. Stick it in the oven in a baking pan and set the timer. Baste it
with the pan drippings a couple of times. No need to get more fancy than
that to make for good food and lots of leftovers.

Jill

> wrote in message
...
> With the present state of the economy, some people can no longer afford
> both rent, utilities and food. The cost of rent and utilities keeps
> going up, so the only place to cut costs is food. Ramen Noodles are
> cheap. On sale they can cost as little as 20 cents a pack. If a person
> eats two packs per day, their weekly cost for food is only $2.80, or
> $11.20 per month. If purchased in quantity, a person might be able to
> eat an entire month on $10. That is all some people can afford these
> days. This is especially true for the elderly and disabled. The
> question arises, is this a healthy diet. Or maybe not exactly
> *healthy*, but can a person live on this alone?
>

college students can, at least for a while.

On 2012-10-31, > wrote:

> *healthy*, but can a person live on this alone?

No, you freakn' moron. Go **** up a rope.


--
Definition of objectivism:
"Eff you! I got mine."
http://www.nongmoproject.org/

On 2012-10-31, Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> plus legumes. Rice and beans are the most common choice for this.

I finally got my red beans and rice recipe down. I may even add some
rice, this time. They're that good!

nb

--
Definition of objectivism:
"Eff you! I got mine."
http://www.nongmoproject.org/

Kalmia wrote:
>
>I think the food dollar would be better spent on real food
>which are less than 2 bucks a pound. I saw chickens on sale
>for 99 cents a pound.

Chicken and all kinds of veggies are very good with ramen. I eat
ramen at least once each week, it's my go to consume left overs base,
a great way to use up that half a pork chop that was too much for my
cats. Simmer the bone, julienne the meat. Simmer sliced garlic,
onion, celery, some white pepper, parsley, sesame oil... check your
vegetable bin for more ingredients, lettuce and cabbage are good, that
last lonely carrot. Add ramen noodles, cook a few minutes, add meat
and seasoning envelop, sometimes I crack in a couple eggs. A
delicious meal. Sometimes add some ginger, a splash of soy sauce. I
buy ramen by the case, I like the chicken flavor best. Ramen
stretches the food dollar by not having to throw away left overs and
uses produce that will soon go bad otherwise. I don't eat plain
ramen, that's boring... I consider ramen a culinary pallete, exercises
creativity.

Kalmia wrote:
>
>In the early 70s, I could get by on about 15 dollars a week for groceries.
>Granted, I did eat out a couple of times a week.

Yeah, gals have always been able to negotiate a free meal for services
rendered.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...

> Hippos are not strict vegetarians, they eat tons of snails and insects
> that adhere to their water plant diet. Animals we think of as
> vegetarian (deer, rabbits, horses, sheep, goats, etc.) are not, they
> ingest a multitude of live meat as they graze, even earthworms.

Granted about hippos possibly accidentally eating insects, occasional snail
etc . No food is perfectly defect free from insect parts, mouse excrement,
miniscule "food defects", etc. I don't know about hippos eating snails, but
they are categorized as vegetarian. I believe chimps are too, but they eat
ants and termites with sticks, and rarely a small animal so they aren't
really but are most the time... But there is a world of difference between
accidentally eating an occasional insect or snail etc and not being a strict
vegetarian-- and not eating meat from factory farms which is why many
vegetarians are vegetarian... There really is no "strict vegetarian" by
your definition by examples. Although some Jains walk around with clothes
over their mouths to avoid accidentally ingesting an airborne small insect.
I think most people use strict vegetarian to mean vegan... Bill Clinton has
become a vegan. Hard to believe. He does look to be in good shape though.


> I had neighbors from India who claimed they were vegetarians (in fact
> they complained when I grilled meat), yet one day I drove to a mall
> miles from where we lived and there they were in their parked car with
> their two kids, all of them chomping down Oscar Mayer bologna as fast
> as they could.

Your neighbors are not any category of vegetarian if they eat bologna or
baloney. Neither are people that eat fish. The are pescians or
pescitarians or something. Lacto-ovo-pescian.

I'm craving split pea soup. With some added peas, and bit of carrot, with a
few oyster crackers.. Think I will see what Kroger has in low sodium
choices in the "health food" section.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> No combination of just veggies supplies all the essential
> amino acid...

Of course you can combine incomplete protein foods that compliment each
other, to make complete protein foods. People do it all the time. The CDC
says: "In the past, it was thought that these complementary proteins needed
to be eaten at the same meal for your body to use them together. Now studies
show that your body can combine complementary proteins that are eaten within
the same day."


> I don't know about "sneak some meat" but they sure seem damned determined
> to make vegetables *taste* like meat. Vegetarian sausages, vegetarian
> burgers. What's the point? If you want it to taste like meat, eat meat.
>
> Jill


People want to eat things that taste good. Humans are omnivores and have a
history of eating things that taste like plants, and meat. But some people
don't want to eat meat (from factory farms, or raise and slaughter animals).

"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...

> college students can, at least for a while.

supplemented with pizza.

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:47:42 -0400, "Richard K."
> wrote:

>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:34:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:59:35 -0700, (Janet Price)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by adding
>>>>>a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it was
>>>>>invented to keep people from starving.
>>>>> If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
>>>>>weight loss.
>>>>
>>>>Vegetables yes, but do we need meat? How about vegetarians?
>>>
>>> Humans need a diet composed of sufficient "essential" amino acids, not
>>> all of which are in any single vegetable. Which is why beans and rice
>>> is so popular among vegetarians. Beans AND rice provide a complete set
>>> of all essential amino acids.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> That's actually a myth.
>
>
>If by myth you mean: they have to be eaten at the same time. It can be a
>few hours apart... Hippos are vegetarian and seem to be very strong and
>healthy. So is William Shatner.
>
> Is it true that complementary proteins must be eaten together to count
>as a complete protein source?
> In the past, it was thought that these complementary proteins needed
>to be eaten at the same meal for your body to use them together. Now studies
>show that your body can combine complementary proteins that are eaten within
>the same day.1
>
>http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyon...s/protein.html

I never said a complete set of essential amino acids needed to be
eaten together in a single meal. In the same 24 hour or week period,
maybe.

Hey! I need volunteers fior a long term nutritional study! You will
eat a diet that provides you with all needed essential amino acids
except the study will vary the time between consuming them together.
24, 48 hours, up to several weeks apart. This is for the rest of your
life BTW!! It's a longnitudinal study!

Then when all study volunteers have died we will determine the cause
of death and determine whether or not it had anything to do with
nutritionally obtaining the correct complete set of amino acids!!

Volunteers?

John Kuthe...

Andy wrote:
>
> From a ramen noodle thread here a few years back I bought a few
> packs to see what it was all about.
>
> I couldn't bring myself to add the flavor packets, with all the
> sodium and MSG. So I had a few pots of the plain noodles. I
> never went back for more.

I know some people that use the noodles only for other recipes.
They are good.

Gary

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I don't know about "sneak some meat" but they sure seem damned determined to
> make vegetables *taste* like meat. Vegetarian sausages, vegetarian burgers.
> What's the point? If you want it to taste like meat, eat meat.

That *is* funny to me too. heheh

"Richard K." > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:34:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:59:35 -0700, (Janet Price)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by adding
>>>>>a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it was
>>>>>invented to keep people from starving.
>>>>> If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
>>>>>weight loss.
>>>>
>>>>Vegetables yes, but do we need meat? How about vegetarians?
>>>
>>> Humans need a diet composed of sufficient "essential" amino acids, not
>>> all of which are in any single vegetable. Which is why beans and rice
>>> is so popular among vegetarians. Beans AND rice provide a complete set
>>> of all essential amino acids.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> That's actually a myth.
>
>
> If by myth you mean: they have to be eaten at the same time. It can be a
> few hours apart... Hippos are vegetarian and seem to be very strong and
> healthy. So is William Shatner.
>
> Is it true that complementary proteins must be eaten together to
> count as a complete protein source?
> In the past, it was thought that these complementary proteins needed
> to be eaten at the same meal for your body to use them together. Now
> studies show that your body can combine complementary proteins that are
> eaten within the same day.1
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyon...s/protein.html

But it doesn't have to be rice either. One could eat popcorn or even pasta
at some point that same day and it would be complete.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> I don't know about "sneak some meat" but they sure seem damned determined
> to make vegetables *taste* like meat. Vegetarian sausages, vegetarian
> burgers. What's the point? If you want it to taste like meat, eat meat.
>
> Jill

Jill,
Do you raise, slaughter and then butcher the animals you eat as meat?

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> "Richard K." wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>> No combination of just veggies supplies all the essential
>>> amino acids.
>>
>>Of course you can combine incomplete protein foods.
>
> Try reading again, this time for comprehension.


enlighten me. What am I missing?

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...

> Hey! I need volunteers fior a long term nutritional study! You will
> eat a diet that provides you with all needed essential amino acids
> except the study will vary the time between consuming them together.
> 24, 48 hours, up to several weeks apart. This is for the rest of your
> life BTW!! It's a longnitudinal study!
>
> Then when all study volunteers have died we will determine the cause
> of death and determine whether or not it had anything to do with
> nutritionally obtaining the correct complete set of amino acids!!
>
> Volunteers?
>
> John Kuthe...


sign me up

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:24:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:34:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:59:35 -0700, (Janet Price)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by adding
>>>>>a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it was
>>>>>invented to keep people from starving.
>>>>> If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
>>>>>weight loss.
>>>>
>>>>Vegetables yes, but do we need meat? How about vegetarians?
>>>
>>> Humans need a diet composed of sufficient "essential" amino acids, not
>>> all of which are in any single vegetable. Which is why beans and rice
>>> is so popular among vegetarians. Beans AND rice provide a complete set
>>> of all essential amino acids.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>>That's actually a myth.
>
> Absolutely. No combination of just veggies supplies all the essential
> amino acid... whole grain buckwheat groats comes closesest but not
> quite close enough. People who claim to be vegeterians lie... they
> all sneak some meat or they'd not live a year.

Now that's just not true! Some people are even adamant vegans. The main
problem there is lack of vitamin B but that can be brought into the diet by
eating nutritional yeast if not taking supplements.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> "Brooklyn1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:24:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:34:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:59:35 -0700, (Janet Price)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by adding
>>>>>a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it was
>>>>>invented to keep people from starving.
>>>>> If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
>>>>>weight loss.
>>>>
>>>>Vegetables yes, but do we need meat? How about vegetarians?
>>>
>>> Humans need a diet composed of sufficient "essential" amino acids, not
>>> all of which are in any single vegetable. Which is why beans and rice
>>> is so popular among vegetarians. Beans AND rice provide a complete set
>>> of all essential amino acids.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>>That's actually a myth.
>
> Absolutely. No combination of just veggies supplies all the essential
> amino acid... whole grain buckwheat groats comes closesest but not
> quite close enough. People who claim to be vegeterians lie... they
> all sneak some meat or they'd not live a year.
>
>
>
> I don't know about "sneak some meat" but they sure seem damned determined
> to make vegetables *taste* like meat. Vegetarian sausages, vegetarian
> burgers. What's the point? If you want it to taste like meat, eat meat.

Not all vegetarians do that. I didn't eat those products for many years
until I found some black bean patties at the health food store. I didn't
buy them because they resembled meat patties but because I like beans! They
were quite good.

I have been told by some vegans that they really *do* like meat and want to
make foods that look and taste like meat. That's not me. I really *don't*
like meat. When I eat it at home it is mostly cut/chopped up into little
bits and mixed into my food. I don't notice it so much when it is in a
casserole or a soup. I know it's in there. And I know for me that I have
to eat it once in a while or I will go anemic. I just don't like biting
into a big chunk of meat. My husband and a friend of mine are just the
opposite. They don't like vegetables but they do like big slabs of meat!

"John J" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:17:40 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:24:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:34:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:59:35 -0700, (Janet Price)
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by
>>>>>>adding
>>>>>>a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it
>>>>>>was
>>>>>>invented to keep people from starving.
>>>>>> If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
>>>>>>weight loss.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vegetables yes, but do we need meat? How about vegetarians?
>>>>
>>>> Humans need a diet composed of sufficient "essential" amino acids, not
>>>> all of which are in any single vegetable. Which is why beans and rice
>>>> is so popular among vegetarians. Beans AND rice provide a complete set
>>>> of all essential amino acids.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>>That's actually a myth.
>>
>>Absolutely. No combination of just veggies supplies all the essential
>>amino acid... whole grain buckwheat groats comes closesest but not
>>quite close enough. People who claim to be vegeterians lie... they
>>all sneak some meat or they'd not live a year.
>>
>>
>>
>>I don't know about "sneak some meat" but they sure seem damned determined
>>to
>>make vegetables *taste* like meat. Vegetarian sausages, vegetarian
>>burgers.
>>What's the point? If you want it to taste like meat, eat meat.
>
> Why? Where did you find that law? Maybe they like the taste of meat
> but have medical, ethical or political reasons not to eat it.

Yes. That is what I have been told. But also... I think the original
reason for making things look and taste like meat came about during the
depression when people simply couldn't get meat. I have plenty of cookbooks
from that era that have recipes for things like bean loaf.

"Richard K." > wrote in message
...
> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> college students can, at least for a while.
>
> supplemented with pizza.

Yep.

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:30:17 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 10/30/2012 10:33 PM, wrote:
>> With the present state of the economy, some people can no longer afford
>> both rent, utilities and food. The cost of rent and utilities keeps
>> going up, so the only place to cut costs is food. Ramen Noodles are
>> cheap. On sale they can cost as little as 20 cents a pack. If a person
>> eats two packs per day, their weekly cost for food is only $2.80, or
>> $11.20 per month. If purchased in quantity, a person might be able to
>> eat an entire month on $10. That is all some people can afford these
>> days. This is especially true for the elderly and disabled. The
>> question arises, is this a healthy diet. Or maybe not exactly
>> *healthy*, but can a person live on this alone?
>>
>
>It's a healthy alternative to starving to death. My recommendation is
>that you get a small automatic rice cooker and make your ramen in that.

That's dumber than a rock... a rice cooker will cost more than many
months worth of ramen.

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:12:34 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:47:42 -0400, "Richard K."
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >>
>
> >> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
>
> >> ...
>
> >>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:34:28 +1100, John J > wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:59:35 -0700, (Janet Price)
>
> >>>>wrote:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>>Not Likely....... Not enough vegetable matter,nor meat. Maybe by adding
>
> >>>>>a can of veggies and a can of meat every day or so. I understand it was
>
> >>>>>invented to keep people from starving.
>
> >>>>> If one eats noting but a tv dinner for a meal that also will cause
>
> >>>>>weight loss.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>Vegetables yes, but do we need meat? How about vegetarians?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Humans need a diet composed of sufficient "essential" amino acids, not
>
> >>> all of which are in any single vegetable. Which is why beans and rice
>
> >>> is so popular among vegetarians. Beans AND rice provide a complete set
>
> >>> of all essential amino acids.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> John Kuthe...
>
> >>
>
> >> That's actually a myth.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >If by myth you mean: they have to be eaten at the same time. It can be a
>
> >few hours apart... Hippos are vegetarian and seem to be very strong and
>
> >healthy. So is William Shatner.
>
> >
>
> > Is it true that complementary proteins must be eaten together to count
>
> >as a complete protein source?
>
> > In the past, it was thought that these complementary proteins needed
>
> >to be eaten at the same meal for your body to use them together. Now studies
>
> >show that your body can combine complementary proteins that are eaten within
>
> >the same day.1
>
> >
>
> >http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyon...s/protein.html
>
>
>
> I never said a complete set of essential amino acids needed to be
>
> eaten together in a single meal. In the same 24 hour or week period,
>
> maybe.
>
>
>
> Hey! I need volunteers fior a long term nutritional study! You will
>
> eat a diet that provides you with all needed essential amino acids
>
> except the study will vary the time between consuming them together.
>
> 24, 48 hours, up to several weeks apart. This is for the rest of your
>
> life BTW!! It's a longnitudinal study!
>
>
>
> Then when all study volunteers have died we will determine the cause
>
> of death and determine whether or not it had anything to do with
>
> nutritionally obtaining the correct complete set of amino acids!!
>
>
>
> Volunteers?
>
>
>
> John Kuthe...

Did you hit your head, Johny? She said that your claim was bullshit. At least act like one of your 3 (snort) degrees is worth something. How's that imaginary $60/hr job in informatics (for someone who doesn't even know how spell Epic) going? I could point out the other lies you've caught yourself in, but it's getting boring. Here's a new idea! Why don't you buy some 65% Fair Trade chocolate and rave about it and post a link? You tiresome little monkey.

"Richard K." wrote in message ...

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> I don't know about "sneak some meat" but they sure seem damned determined
> to make vegetables *taste* like meat. Vegetarian sausages, vegetarian
> burgers. What's the point? If you want it to taste like meat, eat meat.
>
> Jill

Jill,
Do you raise, slaughter and then butcher the animals you eat as meat?



Nope, that's what I pay the butcher to do. (I'm pretty sure they'd get
upset if I started raising cattle or sheep on the golf course in my back
yard.)

Jill

"l not -l" wrote in message ...


On 31-Oct-2012, wrote:

> With the present state of the economy, some people can no longer
> afford
> both rent, utilities and food. The cost of rent and utilities keeps
> going up, so the only place to cut costs is food. Ramen Noodles are
> cheap. On sale they can cost as little as 20 cents a pack. If a
> person
> eats two packs per day, their weekly cost for food is only $2.80, or
> $11.20 per month. If purchased in quantity, a person might be able to
> eat an entire month on $10. That is all some people can afford these
> days. This is especially true for the elderly and disabled. The
> question arises, is this a healthy diet. Or maybe not exactly
> *healthy*, but can a person live on this alone?

If a diet of nothing but Ramen didn't kill you, it would surely soon
make you wish you were dead.

Meals made from dried beans and brown rice would be a better choice at
not much more cost. Add hocks, shanks or neck bones and you still have
low cost; toss in some frozen or canned mixed vegetables and you have an
inexpensive, nutritious meal without all the sodium of Ramen "flavor
packets". Vary the type of bean, the cheap meat (those already
mentioned, low-cost chicken parts or smoked turkey wings) and the
vegetable mix to have a wide variety of nutritious combinations.


--

Change Cujo to Juno in email address.


I couldn't have said it any better. Thanks!

Jill