I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
for only $1.98. I guess being non-union and not paying your workers as well
as other grocery stores, does keep prices down. Why don't they have ads
touting that? "We keep unions out-- and wage and benefits down-- so you pay
lower prices!"

I notice the Walmart Neighborhood Grocery (that only sells groceries), does
not have the same prices as the Walmart superstore that has a grocery in it.
And although many things at Walmart are cheaper than Kroger, some things are
the same price. Or even slightly more in rare cases.... I noticed Grandmas
cookies the other day, that are prestamped 99 cents and sold for that price
everywhere else, were only 88 cents at Walmart.

"Richard K." > wrote in message
...
> I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
> $3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
> for only $1.98. I guess being non-union and not paying your workers as
> well as other grocery stores, does keep prices down. Why don't they have
> ads touting that? "We keep unions out-- and wage and benefits down-- so
> you pay lower prices!"
>
> I notice the Walmart Neighborhood Grocery (that only sells groceries),
> does not have the same prices as the Walmart superstore that has a grocery
> in it. And although many things at Walmart are cheaper than Kroger, some
> things are the same price. Or even slightly more in rare cases.... I
> noticed Grandmas cookies the other day, that are prestamped 99 cents and
> sold for that price everywhere else, were only 88 cents at Walmart.
>
Don't get me started on unions this morning...

http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery

- Kody

"Kody" > wrote in message
...
> Don't get me started on unions this morning...
>
> http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery
>
> - Kody


That's a strange story. Doesn't sound right. I wonder if it's really true
and/or if there were other issues; if this is true, someone is going to be
in trouble and it will get much more news coverage.... Not seeing this
story in other places; only from one tv station in Alabama.

"Richard K." > wrote in message
...
> "Kody" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Don't get me started on unions this morning...
>>
>> http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery
>>
>> - Kody
>
>
> That's a strange story. Doesn't sound right. I wonder if it's really
> true and/or if there were other issues; if this is true, someone is going
> to be in trouble and it will get much more news coverage.... Not seeing
> this story in other places; only from one tv station in Alabama.
Just do a simple Google search. Something like Alabama power companies being
turned away from Sandy, it's getting some press.

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:10:56 -0500, "Kody"
> wrote:

>
>"Richard K." > wrote in message
...
>> "Kody" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Don't get me started on unions this morning...
>>>
>>> http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery
>>>
>>> - Kody
>>
>>
>> That's a strange story. Doesn't sound right. I wonder if it's really
>> true and/or if there were other issues; if this is true, someone is going
>> to be in trouble and it will get much more news coverage.... Not seeing
>> this story in other places; only from one tv station in Alabama.
>Just do a simple Google search. Something like Alabama power companies being
>turned away from Sandy, it's getting some press.
>

I'm more surprised that they were allowed to work without a union card
on Long Island-
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...w_from_al.html

[note that this report is saying that 'Waff is reporting' and has a
Power company spokesman denying that they were turned away]

Jim

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:10:56 -0500, "Kody"
> wrote:

>
> "Richard K." > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Kody" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Don't get me started on unions this morning...
> >>
> >> http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery
> >>
> >> - Kody
> >
> >
> > That's a strange story. Doesn't sound right. I wonder if it's really
> > true and/or if there were other issues; if this is true, someone is going
> > to be in trouble and it will get much more news coverage.... Not seeing
> > this story in other places; only from one tv station in Alabama.
> Just do a simple Google search. Something like Alabama power companies being
> turned away from Sandy, it's getting some press.
>
That story lacked important details, but more information is coming
out by the minute.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2059651.html
Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
turning away non-union crews in NJ.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:02:10 -0400, "Richard K." >
wrote:

>I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
>$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
>for only $1.98. I guess being non-union and not paying your workers as well
>as other grocery stores, does keep prices down. Why don't they have ads
>touting that? "We keep unions out-- and wage and benefits down-- so you pay
>lower prices!"
>
>I notice the Walmart Neighborhood Grocery (that only sells groceries), does
>not have the same prices as the Walmart superstore that has a grocery in it.
>And although many things at Walmart are cheaper than Kroger, some things are
>the same price. Or even slightly more in rare cases.... I noticed Grandmas
>cookies the other day, that are prestamped 99 cents and sold for that price
>everywhere else, were only 88 cents at Walmart.

Didja ever think (obviously can't) that it's the smaller stores,
'specially the mom n' pops that are ripping folks off... of course
they are. Yeah, like folks enjoy spending more... how many of yoose
Walmart haters drive about looking to fill up at the MOST expensive
gas prices.

"sf" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:10:56 -0500, "Kody"
> wrote:

>
> "Richard K." > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Kody" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Don't get me started on unions this morning...
> >>
> >> http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery
> >>
> >> - Kody
> >
> >
> > That's a strange story. Doesn't sound right. I wonder if it's really
> > true and/or if there were other issues; if this is true, someone is
> > going
> > to be in trouble and it will get much more news coverage.... Not seeing
> > this story in other places; only from one tv station in Alabama.
> Just do a simple Google search. Something like Alabama power companies
> being
> turned away from Sandy, it's getting some press.
>
That story lacked important details, but more information is coming
out by the minute.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2059651.html
Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
turning away non-union crews in NJ.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.



I didn't see any mention of the Mafia, much less New Jersey, in that
article. It's about gas shortages, which are understandable given the
conditions in some parts of New York City.

Jill

"Richard K." wrote in message ...

I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
for only $1.98.
(snipped)



AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred or
canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil, thyme...

Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't own
a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the jars or
cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.

Jill

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:35:25 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>"Richard K." wrote in message ...
>
>I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
>$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
>for only $1.98.
>(snipped)
>
>
>
>AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
>good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
>like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred or
>canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil, thyme...
>
>Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't own
>a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the jars or
>cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.
>
>Jill

I found no quality difference between different jarred sauce, I've
tried quite a few brands and all are lousy. It's just as easy to open
a tin of crushed tomatoes (no mystery ingredients) and heat with a
little seasoning.

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:35:25 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

> "Richard K." wrote in message ...
>
> I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
> $3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
> for only $1.98.
> (snipped)
>
>
>
> AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
> good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
> like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred or
> canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil, thyme...
>
> Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't own
> a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the jars or
> cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.
>
If I buy a jarred sauce, which is rare, I read the ingredients and buy
whatever is as close to just tomatoes and spices as I can find.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:35:25 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>"Richard K." wrote in message ...
>
>I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
>$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
>for only $1.98.
>(snipped)
>
>
>
>AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
>good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
>like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred or
>canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil,
>thyme...
>
>Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't
>own
>a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the jars or
>cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.
>
>Jill

I found no quality difference between different jarred sauce, I've
tried quite a few brands and all are lousy. It's just as easy to open
a tin of crushed tomatoes (no mystery ingredients) and heat with a
little seasoning.


Crushed tomatoes don't work for me. Seeds. Can't have the seeds.

Jill

"sf" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:35:25 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

> "Richard K." wrote in message ...
>
> I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
> $3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
> for only $1.98.
> (snipped)
>
>
>
> AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
> good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
> like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred
> or
> canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil,
> thyme...
>
> Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't
> own
> a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the jars
> or
> cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.
>
If I buy a jarred sauce, which is rare, I read the ingredients and buy
whatever is as close to just tomatoes and spices as I can find.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.


Exactly, sf. I read labels. No corn syrup, no added sugar. I don't even
want them to add "spices" or other ingredients. I can do (and do) that
myself.

Jill

"Kody" > wrote in message
...

> Just do a simple Google search. Something like Alabama power companies
> being turned away from Sandy, it's getting some press.

"Alabama power companies are denying a local TV station's report that
linemen who had traveled to New Jersey from Alabama (a right to work state)
to help restore power to those hit hard by Superstorm Sandy were told they
could not work there because they were non-union...
"As we waited for clarification, we became aware that Seaside Heights had
received the assistance they needed from other sources, To be clear, at no
time were our crews "turned away" from the utility in Seaside Heights. "
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...away-from-n.j/

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> Didja ever think (obviously can't) that it's the smaller stores,
> 'specially the mom n' pops that are ripping folks off... of course
> they are. Yeah, like folks enjoy spending more... how many of yoose
> Walmart haters drive about looking to fill up at the MOST expensive
> gas prices.


I'm beginning to doubt the veracity of much of what you say.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> "Richard K." wrote in message ...
>
> I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
> $3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
> for only $1.98.
> (snipped)
>
>
>
> AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
> good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
> like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred
> or canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil,
> thyme...
>
> Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't
> own a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the
> jars or cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.
>
> Jill


I agree about Newman, but disagree about Hunt's. Hunts is cheap at 99 cents
but tasted very sweet. I think it's mostly corn syrup and cheap
ingredients. Newman's is good, but pricey even when on sale.

"sf" > wrote in message
...

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2059651.html
> Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
> turning away non-union crews in NJ.

The early stories were just referencing some tv station in Alabama (the
only source, and of unknown reliability and sketchy on details). CBS
reports:

"Alabama power companies are denying a local TV station's report that
linemen who had traveled to New Jersey from Alabama (a right to work state)
to help restore power to those hit hard by Superstorm Sandy were told they
could not work there because they were non-union...

"As we waited for clarification, we became aware that Seaside Heights had
received the assistance they needed from other sources, To be clear, at no
time were our crews "turned away" from the utility in Seaside Heights. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...away-from-n.j/

jmcquown wrote:
>
> AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
> good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
> like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred or
> canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil, thyme...
>
> I buy the jars or
> cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.

I used to make it all from scratch but I learned years ago that it's easier
to buy commercial (I use the cheap Hunts cans) and fix them up a bit. Final
result is just as good as scratch.

And somewhat like Sheldon, I make a giant batch of sauce when I do make it.
Only difference is he has a 16 quart pot and my largest is only 8.

Gary

I just started that (8 qt) pot with old turkey and chicken parts a few
minutes ago. This will make a very nice stock after it simmers all night.
Then I'll let it cool. Outside on the cold porch at first, then in the
fridge later. Scoop most of the floating hardened fat out then add tons of
veggies, either Sat night or Sunday morning.

I end up with about 7 quarts of very healthy vegetable soup. I save out
some for a few meals and label and freeze the rest for the future. This
soup I make is very dense, almost like a stew so just a pint of it is a good
meal.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Crushed tomatoes don't work for me. Seeds. Can't have the seeds.

Are you allergic to them? I never even notice or care about the seeds.

Gary

> That story lacked important details, but more information is coming
> out by the minute.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...tage_n_2059651...
> Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
> turning away non-union crews in NJ.
>

I have a buddy who works in one of the tall buildings in NYC. Showed
up for his first day of work with a box that had his office stuff in
there, stapler, pens, desk calendar, pictures, coffee mug, that kind
of stuff that you show up with your first day on the job. He was
stopped at the door and was told he could not carry that box into the
building, that he had to fill out a work order and a Union person
would carry the box up to his office for him. He said it was about
eight hours later, near the end of his first day of work, that the
work order finally got processed and the Union worker showed up at his
office with his box, when if he had carried it himself it would have
taken five minutes instead of eight hours.

But I think my favorite Union story came from Philadelphia a few years
back, when they were constructing a new skyscraper and it was to be
state of the art and green friendly. Among the amenities was one of
those organic toilet systems where the waste is not flushed but
recycled somehow. The problem was the Unions in Philadelphia had
contracts that required them to build toilets and drainage for all
buildings, but this company did not require it. The Unions sued this
company in court and won, so this company had to pay all this extra
money for a waste drainage system they would never even use.

Gary wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Crushed tomatoes don't work for me. Seeds. Can't have the seeds.
>
>Are you allergic to them? I never even notice or care about the seeds.

Diverticulosis. There are tinned crushed tomatoes that have the seeds
removed, most contain no seeds. Or one can use tinned pureed
tomatoes. The seeds don't bother me, my favorite is the tinned whole
peeled tomatoes in puree. During the fall months is when tinned
tomatoes are on sale, they're typically about half price so I stock
up.

"Michael OConnor" > wrote in message
...
>
>> That story lacked important details, but more information is coming
>> out by the
>> minute.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...tage_n_2059651...
>> Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
>> turning away non-union crews in NJ.
>>
>
> I have a buddy who works in one of the tall buildings in NYC. Showed
> up for his first day of work with a box that had his office stuff in
> there, stapler, pens, desk calendar, pictures, coffee mug, that kind
> of stuff that you show up with your first day on the job. He was
> stopped at the door and was told he could not carry that box into the
> building, that he had to fill out a work order and a Union person
> would carry the box up to his office for him. He said it was about
> eight hours later, near the end of his first day of work, that the
> work order finally got processed and the Union worker showed up at his
> office with his box, when if he had carried it himself it would have
> taken five minutes instead of eight hours.
>
> But I think my favorite Union story came from Philadelphia a few years
> back, when they were constructing a new skyscraper and it was to be
> state of the art and green friendly. Among the amenities was one of
> those organic toilet systems where the waste is not flushed but
> recycled somehow. The problem was the Unions in Philadelphia had
> contracts that required them to build toilets and drainage for all
> buildings, but this company did not require it. The Unions sued this
> company in court and won, so this company had to pay all this extra
> money for a waste drainage system they would never even use.


Your stories point out some very stupid things. But there are also a lot of
anecdotes that could be told of what working conditions in the US were like
before unions... child labor, sweat shops, no workers comp, low wages,
getting fired without cause, workers beaten and killed for trying to
unionize and protect their rights, etc. Before unions, things were pretty
awful for a lot of workers.

"Richard K." > wrote in message
...
> "Michael OConnor" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>> That story lacked important details, but more information is coming
>>> out by the
>>> minute.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...tage_n_2059651...
>>> Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
>>> turning away non-union crews in NJ.
>>>
>>
>> I have a buddy who works in one of the tall buildings in NYC. Showed
>> up for his first day of work with a box that had his office stuff in
>> there, stapler, pens, desk calendar, pictures, coffee mug, that kind
>> of stuff that you show up with your first day on the job. He was
>> stopped at the door and was told he could not carry that box into the
>> building, that he had to fill out a work order and a Union person
>> would carry the box up to his office for him. He said it was about
>> eight hours later, near the end of his first day of work, that the
>> work order finally got processed and the Union worker showed up at his
>> office with his box, when if he had carried it himself it would have
>> taken five minutes instead of eight hours.
>>
>> But I think my favorite Union story came from Philadelphia a few years
>> back, when they were constructing a new skyscraper and it was to be
>> state of the art and green friendly. Among the amenities was one of
>> those organic toilet systems where the waste is not flushed but
>> recycled somehow. The problem was the Unions in Philadelphia had
>> contracts that required them to build toilets and drainage for all
>> buildings, but this company did not require it. The Unions sued this
>> company in court and won, so this company had to pay all this extra
>> money for a waste drainage system they would never even use.
>
>
> Your stories point out some very stupid things. But there are also a lot
> of anecdotes that could be told of what working conditions in the US were
> like before unions... child labor, sweat shops, no workers comp, low
> wages, getting fired without cause, workers beaten and killed for trying
> to unionize and protect their rights, etc. Before unions, things were
> pretty awful for a lot of workers.
>
My father was forced to join a union but when he was off work with a bad
back, a cheque came in the mail every 2 weeks that helped out considerably!
Graham

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:02:10 -0400, "Richard K." >
wrote:

>I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
>$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
>for only $1.98. I guess being non-union and not paying your workers as well
>as other grocery stores, does keep prices down. Why don't they have ads
>touting that? "We keep unions out-- and wage and benefits down-- so you pay
>lower prices!"
>
>I notice the Walmart Neighborhood Grocery (that only sells groceries), does
>not have the same prices as the Walmart superstore that has a grocery in it.
>And although many things at Walmart are cheaper than Kroger, some things are
>the same price. Or even slightly more in rare cases.... I noticed Grandmas
>cookies the other day, that are prestamped 99 cents and sold for that price
>everywhere else, were only 88 cents at Walmart.
>
>
It is a good idea to check the size of the package you are getting at
Walmart. One time I checked the prices of paper towels at a couple of
grocery stores, Walmart and Big Lots. Walmart was the most expensive.
The package of towels was the lowest price but you got fewer towels.
When the Super Walmart opened here we checked out the groceries.

I live in a very small town where most the small businesses are gone.
I will only go to Walmart if I must have something right now that I
can't get at another store here. Fortunately we do have a couple of
good grocery stores.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

> Your stories point out some very stupid things. *But there are also a lot of
> anecdotes that could be told of what working conditions in the US were like
> before unions... *child labor, sweat shops, no workers comp, low wages,
> getting fired without cause, workers beaten and killed for trying to
> unionize and protect their rights, etc. * Before unions, things were pretty
> awful for a lot of workers.

In this day and age, with the mass media and the blogosphere, I
seriously doubt we would see child labor and sweat shops if Unions
were abolished in America. The truth is we haven't needed Unions in
the US since at least the end of WW2; these days they are bloated and
corrupted.

And Union jobs in many cases cannot be eliminated even if there no
further need for the job - case in point - the City of Detroit Fire
Department pays a full time horse-shoer over 50K a year (salary and
benefits), despite the fact the Detroit FD hasn't needed somebody to
shoe horses since the advent of the fire engine that runs on gasoline
and was not horse powered. And the Union refuses to get rid of the
job.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/detr...ate-positions/

Have you ever studied how difficult it is to fire a schoolteacher in
New York State? It takes years, all the time while the teacher draws
a salary and sits in a room all day (known as the Rubber Room) with
other teachers who are awaiting their disciplinary hearings, and they
sit around and read the newspaper and play cards all day long. And
schools also have their trading days when the Principals get together
and swap substandard teachers with other schools instead of canning
them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQVLYV_ZKlQ

There is no way that the Teachers Unions in this country improved the
education of students.

On Nov 2, 4:19*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> >jmcquown wrote:
>
> >> Crushed tomatoes don't work for me. *Seeds. *Can't have the seeds.
>
> >Are you allergic to them? *I never even notice or care about the seeds..
>
> Diverticulosis. *There are tinned crushed tomatoes that have the seeds
> removed, most contain no seeds. *Or one can use tinned pureed
> tomatoes. *The seeds don't bother me, my favorite is the tinned whole
> peeled tomatoes in puree. *During the fall months is when tinned
> tomatoes are on sale, they're typically about half price so I stock
> up.

I wish they sold the "tomato caviar" by itself.

--Bryan

On Nov 2, 9:00*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
> On Nov 2, 4:19*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
> > >jmcquown wrote:
>
> > >> Crushed tomatoes don't work for me. *Seeds. *Can't have the seeds.
>
> > >Are you allergic to them? *I never even notice or care about the seeds.
>
> > Diverticulosis.
>
>
Have you tried the canned diced tomatoes? I don't recall seeing any
seeds in the cans whether it's a big brand or house brand. And you
have choices of diced with onion and garlic or garlic and basil or
combinations thereof. Pretty good and I 'tart' up these cans, too,
even though they do already have some vegetables and herbs in the mix.

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:37:23 -0400, "Richard K." >
wrote:

> Before unions, things were pretty awful for a lot of workers.

Their work situation was abysmal: 12 hour days and 6 day work weeks.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Nov 2, 3:21*pm, "Richard K." > wrote:
> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Didja ever think (obviously can't) that it's the smaller stores,
> > 'specially the mom n' pops that are ripping folks off... of course
> > they are. *Yeah, like folks enjoy spending more... how many of yoose
> > Walmart haters drive about looking to fill up at the MOST expensive
> > gas prices.
>
> I'm beginning to doubt the veracity of much of what you say.

You can glean some knowledge from Sheldon's posts, but they're
unreliable because he's more than a little bit nutty. Lately, he has
developed an interest in the President's penis, and the fact that it's
half Black. I bet he thinks about Paul Ryan's penis too.

--Bryan

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:37:23 -0400, "Richard K." >
wrote:



>Your stories point out some very stupid things. But there are also a lot of
>anecdotes that could be told of what working conditions in the US were like
>before unions... child labor, sweat shops, no workers comp, low wages,
>getting fired without cause, workers beaten and killed for trying to
>unionize and protect their rights, etc. Before unions, things were pretty
>awful for a lot of workers.
>
>

Very true, but the good the unions did back then does not justify what
some unions do now to exploit the workers for their dues. Look up the
wages of the union bosses too. Higher than the wage earner they
supposedly represent.

"Bryan" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 2, 3:21 pm, "Richard K." > wrote:
> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Didja ever think (obviously can't) that it's the smaller stores,
> > 'specially the mom n' pops that are ripping folks off... of course
> > they are. Yeah, like folks enjoy spending more... how many of yoose
> > Walmart haters drive about looking to fill up at the MOST expensive
> > gas prices.
>
> I'm beginning to doubt the veracity of much of what you say.

You can glean some knowledge from Sheldon's posts, but they're
unreliable because he's more than a little bit nutty. Lately, he has
developed an interest in the President's penis, and the fact that it's
half Black. I bet he thinks about Paul Ryan's penis too.

--Bryan

---

His posts are like watching a docu-drama or Oliver Stone movie. I don't
really care for those because you don't know which is docu- and which is
just made up fictional -drama.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:37:23 -0400, "Richard K." >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Your stories point out some very stupid things. But there are also a lot
>>of
>>anecdotes that could be told of what working conditions in the US were
>>like
>>before unions... child labor, sweat shops, no workers comp, low wages,
>>getting fired without cause, workers beaten and killed for trying to
>>unionize and protect their rights, etc. Before unions, things were
>>pretty
>>awful for a lot of workers.
>>
>>
>
> Very true, but the good the unions did back then does not justify what
> some unions do now to exploit the workers for their dues. Look up the
> wages of the union bosses too. Higher than the wage earner they
> supposedly represent.


yeah, some are co-opted or greedy. The bane of any large organization be it
politics, religion or business.

One officer here for Afscme diddled away a few hundred thousand for herself.
Conveniently let the Treasurer position go unfilled over a year so there was
no oversight. But shouldn't some regional or national officer noticed there
was no Treasurer? On the other hand, I'd probably still have my old job if
I'd been in the union. (Which I tried to get into for years literally but
management just kept delaying and ignoring the request... When you live in
an "at will" state, and have no union representative you are out there on
your own.... "any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the
employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or
no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or
otherwise cease work.")

"Richard K." > wrote in message
...
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:37:23 -0400, "Richard K." >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Your stories point out some very stupid things. But there are also a lot
>>>of
>>>anecdotes that could be told of what working conditions in the US were
>>>like
>>>before unions... child labor, sweat shops, no workers comp, low wages,
>>>getting fired without cause, workers beaten and killed for trying to
>>>unionize and protect their rights, etc. Before unions, things were
>>>pretty
>>>awful for a lot of workers.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Very true, but the good the unions did back then does not justify what
>> some unions do now to exploit the workers for their dues. Look up the
>> wages of the union bosses too. Higher than the wage earner they
>> supposedly represent.
>
>
> yeah, some are co-opted or greedy. The bane of any large organization be
> it politics, religion or business.
>
> One officer here for Afscme diddled away a few hundred thousand for
> herself. Conveniently let the Treasurer position go unfilled over a year
> so there was no oversight. But shouldn't some regional or national
> officer noticed there was no Treasurer? On the other hand, I'd probably
> still have my old job if I'd been in the union. (Which I tried to get
> into for years literally but management just kept delaying and ignoring
> the request... When you live in an "at will" state, and have no union
> representative you are out there on your own.... "any hiring is presumed
> to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals
> "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is
> equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.")
Just like in the 19th Century!

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:41:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:37:23 -0400, "Richard K." >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Your stories point out some very stupid things. But there are also a lot of
> >anecdotes that could be told of what working conditions in the US were like
> >before unions... child labor, sweat shops, no workers comp, low wages,
> >getting fired without cause, workers beaten and killed for trying to
> >unionize and protect their rights, etc. Before unions, things were pretty
> >awful for a lot of workers.
> >
> >
>
> Very true, but the good the unions did back then does not justify what
> some unions do now to exploit the workers for their dues. Look up the
> wages of the union bosses too. Higher than the wage earner they
> supposedly represent.

If they are worth even a tenth of what they're paid to protect
workers, it's money well spent.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 11/2/2012 5:09 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>
>> That story lacked important details, but more information is coming
>> out by the minute.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...tage_n_2059651...
>> Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
>> turning away non-union crews in NJ.
>>
>
> I have a buddy who works in one of the tall buildings in NYC. Showed
> up for his first day of work with a box that had his office stuff in
> there, stapler, pens, desk calendar, pictures, coffee mug, that kind
> of stuff that you show up with your first day on the job. He was
> stopped at the door and was told he could not carry that box into the
> building, that he had to fill out a work order and a Union person
> would carry the box up to his office for him. He said it was about
> eight hours later, near the end of his first day of work, that the
> work order finally got processed and the Union worker showed up at his
> office with his box, when if he had carried it himself it would have
> taken five minutes instead of eight hours.

This sounds like a pre Giuliani thing? Unions were uber bad then and
basically had total control of everything and why it is a big reason why
so many hate them.

I am very familiar with how bad unions were in NYC. I can give you a
short example along the lines of what you mentioned. My buddies brother
is VP of marketing for a large electronics manufacturer and they would
exhibit at various shows at the Javitts center. As you described there
was a whole roster of make work union workers who you needed to hire to
carry in your boxes, set up your tables and plug in your extension
cords. In addition he said they needed to bring a literal box of cash to
pay the various union thugs or nothing would get done. He said they (and
others from other companies he knew) were at the point of just giving up
on NYC because it was so tedious and expensive to do anything there.

Then the folks in NYC hired Guiliani. I remember going to the Javitts
center not long after that and there were notices taped up in
conspicuous places advising the number to call in the mayors office if
the old time thugs tried to shake you down.


It isn't that we want to see everyone working at walmart class jobs but
we don't want to be held by the short hairs by unions either.


>
> But I think my favorite Union story came from Philadelphia a few years
> back, when they were constructing a new skyscraper and it was to be
> state of the art and green friendly. Among the amenities was one of
> those organic toilet systems where the waste is not flushed but
> recycled somehow. The problem was the Unions in Philadelphia had
> contracts that required them to build toilets and drainage for all
> buildings, but this company did not require it. The Unions sued this
> company in court and won, so this company had to pay all this extra
> money for a waste drainage system they would never even use.
>

On 11/2/2012 5:43 PM, graham wrote:
> "Richard K." > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Michael OConnor" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>> That story lacked important details, but more information is coming
>>>> out by the
>>>> minute.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...tage_n_2059651...
>>>> Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
>>>> turning away non-union crews in NJ.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have a buddy who works in one of the tall buildings in NYC. Showed
>>> up for his first day of work with a box that had his office stuff in
>>> there, stapler, pens, desk calendar, pictures, coffee mug, that kind
>>> of stuff that you show up with your first day on the job. He was
>>> stopped at the door and was told he could not carry that box into the
>>> building, that he had to fill out a work order and a Union person
>>> would carry the box up to his office for him. He said it was about
>>> eight hours later, near the end of his first day of work, that the
>>> work order finally got processed and the Union worker showed up at his
>>> office with his box, when if he had carried it himself it would have
>>> taken five minutes instead of eight hours.
>>>
>>> But I think my favorite Union story came from Philadelphia a few years
>>> back, when they were constructing a new skyscraper and it was to be
>>> state of the art and green friendly. Among the amenities was one of
>>> those organic toilet systems where the waste is not flushed but
>>> recycled somehow. The problem was the Unions in Philadelphia had
>>> contracts that required them to build toilets and drainage for all
>>> buildings, but this company did not require it. The Unions sued this
>>> company in court and won, so this company had to pay all this extra
>>> money for a waste drainage system they would never even use.
>>
>>
>> Your stories point out some very stupid things. But there are also a lot
>> of anecdotes that could be told of what working conditions in the US were
>> like before unions... child labor, sweat shops, no workers comp, low
>> wages, getting fired without cause, workers beaten and killed for trying
>> to unionize and protect their rights, etc. Before unions, things were
>> pretty awful for a lot of workers.
>>
> My father was forced to join a union but when he was off work with a bad
> back, a cheque came in the mail every 2 weeks that helped out considerably!
> Graham
>
>
A family member held a decent job at a local manufacturing company and
there was a large strike just before he retired. Company was actually
pretty decent but the union wanted more. The union flew in their top
officials to let everyone know they would put the company out of
business if they had to and it worked. The company filed bankruptcy and
my relative gets about 50% of the pension he should have received but
the union thug leaders are doing OK.

On 11/2/2012 10:26 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:37:23 -0400, "Richard K." >
> wrote:
>
>> Before unions, things were pretty awful for a lot of workers.
>
> Their work situation was abysmal: 12 hour days and 6 day work weeks.
>

And now 7 hour days and 15 weeks paid vacation for union teachers in my
state. Problem is the extremes.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:41:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:37:23 -0400, "Richard K." >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Your stories point out some very stupid things. But there are also a
>> >lot of
>> >anecdotes that could be told of what working conditions in the US were
>> >like
>> >before unions... child labor, sweat shops, no workers comp, low wages,
>> >getting fired without cause, workers beaten and killed for trying to
>> >unionize and protect their rights, etc. Before unions, things were
>> >pretty
>> >awful for a lot of workers.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Very true, but the good the unions did back then does not justify what
>> some unions do now to exploit the workers for their dues. Look up the
>> wages of the union bosses too. Higher than the wage earner they
>> supposedly represent.
>
> If they are worth even a tenth of what they're paid to protect
> workers, it's money well spent.

electrician friend pays $250 in union dues-- a month! Bus driver union was
$50 and I thought that high. But my friend says it's worth it. The
electrician union is very strong and takes care of their members he says.
He says non-union people make much less; and even with the dues he pays, he
comes out quite a bit ahead of what they make. And he has the protection of
the union and it's members.

On 11/3/2012 10:52 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:41:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:37:23 -0400, "Richard K." >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Your stories point out some very stupid things. But there are also a lot of
>>> anecdotes that could be told of what working conditions in the US were like
>>> before unions... child labor, sweat shops, no workers comp, low wages,
>>> getting fired without cause, workers beaten and killed for trying to
>>> unionize and protect their rights, etc. Before unions, things were pretty
>>> awful for a lot of workers.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Very true, but the good the unions did back then does not justify what
>> some unions do now to exploit the workers for their dues. Look up the
>> wages of the union bosses too. Higher than the wage earner they
>> supposedly represent.
>
> If they are worth even a tenth of what they're paid to protect
> workers, it's money well spent.
>

Tell that to say the former employees of say the large local
manufacturer that used to be nearby. The place was famous for
uncooperative employees carrying everything to an extreme "its not my
job" working behind the shield of the union. There is such a thing as
knowing when enough is enough and not to make a pig of yourself buy
union thugs don't know that concept.

"George" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/2/2012 10:26 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:37:23 -0400, "Richard K." >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Before unions, things were pretty awful for a lot of workers.
>>
>> Their work situation was abysmal: 12 hour days and 6 day work weeks.
>>
>
> And now 7 hour days and 15 weeks paid vacation for union teachers in my
> state. Problem is the extremes.


How did the teachers union get so strong? But aren't even their unions
being broken down some, like in Wisconsin?... I've read union workers in
the US are in single digits now.