I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
for only $1.98. I guess being non-union and not paying your workers as well
as other grocery stores, does keep prices down. Why don't they have ads
touting that? "We keep unions out-- and wage and benefits down-- so you pay
lower prices!"

I notice the Walmart Neighborhood Grocery (that only sells groceries), does
not have the same prices as the Walmart superstore that has a grocery in it.
And although many things at Walmart are cheaper than Kroger, some things are
the same price. Or even slightly more in rare cases.... I noticed Grandmas
cookies the other day, that are prestamped 99 cents and sold for that price
everywhere else, were only 88 cents at Walmart.

"Richard K." > wrote in message
...
> I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
> $3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
> for only $1.98. I guess being non-union and not paying your workers as
> well as other grocery stores, does keep prices down. Why don't they have
> ads touting that? "We keep unions out-- and wage and benefits down-- so
> you pay lower prices!"
>
> I notice the Walmart Neighborhood Grocery (that only sells groceries),
> does not have the same prices as the Walmart superstore that has a grocery
> in it. And although many things at Walmart are cheaper than Kroger, some
> things are the same price. Or even slightly more in rare cases.... I
> noticed Grandmas cookies the other day, that are prestamped 99 cents and
> sold for that price everywhere else, were only 88 cents at Walmart.
>
Don't get me started on unions this morning...

http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery

- Kody

"Kody" > wrote in message
...
> Don't get me started on unions this morning...
>
> http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery
>
> - Kody


That's a strange story. Doesn't sound right. I wonder if it's really true
and/or if there were other issues; if this is true, someone is going to be
in trouble and it will get much more news coverage.... Not seeing this
story in other places; only from one tv station in Alabama.

"Richard K." > wrote in message
...
> "Kody" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Don't get me started on unions this morning...
>>
>> http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery
>>
>> - Kody
>
>
> That's a strange story. Doesn't sound right. I wonder if it's really
> true and/or if there were other issues; if this is true, someone is going
> to be in trouble and it will get much more news coverage.... Not seeing
> this story in other places; only from one tv station in Alabama.
Just do a simple Google search. Something like Alabama power companies being
turned away from Sandy, it's getting some press.

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:10:56 -0500, "Kody"
> wrote:

>
>"Richard K." > wrote in message
...
>> "Kody" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Don't get me started on unions this morning...
>>>
>>> http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery
>>>
>>> - Kody
>>
>>
>> That's a strange story. Doesn't sound right. I wonder if it's really
>> true and/or if there were other issues; if this is true, someone is going
>> to be in trouble and it will get much more news coverage.... Not seeing
>> this story in other places; only from one tv station in Alabama.
>Just do a simple Google search. Something like Alabama power companies being
>turned away from Sandy, it's getting some press.
>

I'm more surprised that they were allowed to work without a union card
on Long Island-
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...w_from_al.html

[note that this report is saying that 'Waff is reporting' and has a
Power company spokesman denying that they were turned away]

Jim

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:10:56 -0500, "Kody"
> wrote:

>
> "Richard K." > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Kody" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Don't get me started on unions this morning...
> >>
> >> http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery
> >>
> >> - Kody
> >
> >
> > That's a strange story. Doesn't sound right. I wonder if it's really
> > true and/or if there were other issues; if this is true, someone is going
> > to be in trouble and it will get much more news coverage.... Not seeing
> > this story in other places; only from one tv station in Alabama.
> Just do a simple Google search. Something like Alabama power companies being
> turned away from Sandy, it's getting some press.
>
That story lacked important details, but more information is coming
out by the minute.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2059651.html
Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
turning away non-union crews in NJ.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:10:56 -0500, "Kody"
> wrote:

>
> "Richard K." > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Kody" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Don't get me started on unions this morning...
> >>
> >> http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery
> >>
> >> - Kody
> >
> >
> > That's a strange story. Doesn't sound right. I wonder if it's really
> > true and/or if there were other issues; if this is true, someone is
> > going
> > to be in trouble and it will get much more news coverage.... Not seeing
> > this story in other places; only from one tv station in Alabama.
> Just do a simple Google search. Something like Alabama power companies
> being
> turned away from Sandy, it's getting some press.
>
That story lacked important details, but more information is coming
out by the minute.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2059651.html
Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
turning away non-union crews in NJ.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.



I didn't see any mention of the Mafia, much less New Jersey, in that
article. It's about gas shortages, which are understandable given the
conditions in some parts of New York City.

Jill

"sf" > wrote in message
...

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2059651.html
> Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
> turning away non-union crews in NJ.

The early stories were just referencing some tv station in Alabama (the
only source, and of unknown reliability and sketchy on details). CBS
reports:

"Alabama power companies are denying a local TV station's report that
linemen who had traveled to New Jersey from Alabama (a right to work state)
to help restore power to those hit hard by Superstorm Sandy were told they
could not work there because they were non-union...

"As we waited for clarification, we became aware that Seaside Heights had
received the assistance they needed from other sources, To be clear, at no
time were our crews "turned away" from the utility in Seaside Heights. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...away-from-n.j/

> That story lacked important details, but more information is coming
> out by the minute.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...tage_n_2059651...
> Looks like the Mafia, which controls unions back East, is behind
> turning away non-union crews in NJ.
>

I have a buddy who works in one of the tall buildings in NYC. Showed
up for his first day of work with a box that had his office stuff in
there, stapler, pens, desk calendar, pictures, coffee mug, that kind
of stuff that you show up with your first day on the job. He was
stopped at the door and was told he could not carry that box into the
building, that he had to fill out a work order and a Union person
would carry the box up to his office for him. He said it was about
eight hours later, near the end of his first day of work, that the
work order finally got processed and the Union worker showed up at his
office with his box, when if he had carried it himself it would have
taken five minutes instead of eight hours.

But I think my favorite Union story came from Philadelphia a few years
back, when they were constructing a new skyscraper and it was to be
state of the art and green friendly. Among the amenities was one of
those organic toilet systems where the waste is not flushed but
recycled somehow. The problem was the Unions in Philadelphia had
contracts that required them to build toilets and drainage for all
buildings, but this company did not require it. The Unions sued this
company in court and won, so this company had to pay all this extra
money for a waste drainage system they would never even use.

"Kody" > wrote in message
...

> Just do a simple Google search. Something like Alabama power companies
> being turned away from Sandy, it's getting some press.

"Alabama power companies are denying a local TV station's report that
linemen who had traveled to New Jersey from Alabama (a right to work state)
to help restore power to those hit hard by Superstorm Sandy were told they
could not work there because they were non-union...
"As we waited for clarification, we became aware that Seaside Heights had
received the assistance they needed from other sources, To be clear, at no
time were our crews "turned away" from the utility in Seaside Heights. "
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...away-from-n.j/

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:02:10 -0400, "Richard K." >
wrote:

>I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
>$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
>for only $1.98. I guess being non-union and not paying your workers as well
>as other grocery stores, does keep prices down. Why don't they have ads
>touting that? "We keep unions out-- and wage and benefits down-- so you pay
>lower prices!"
>
>I notice the Walmart Neighborhood Grocery (that only sells groceries), does
>not have the same prices as the Walmart superstore that has a grocery in it.
>And although many things at Walmart are cheaper than Kroger, some things are
>the same price. Or even slightly more in rare cases.... I noticed Grandmas
>cookies the other day, that are prestamped 99 cents and sold for that price
>everywhere else, were only 88 cents at Walmart.

Didja ever think (obviously can't) that it's the smaller stores,
'specially the mom n' pops that are ripping folks off... of course
they are. Yeah, like folks enjoy spending more... how many of yoose
Walmart haters drive about looking to fill up at the MOST expensive
gas prices.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> Didja ever think (obviously can't) that it's the smaller stores,
> 'specially the mom n' pops that are ripping folks off... of course
> they are. Yeah, like folks enjoy spending more... how many of yoose
> Walmart haters drive about looking to fill up at the MOST expensive
> gas prices.


I'm beginning to doubt the veracity of much of what you say.

On Nov 2, 3:21*pm, "Richard K." > wrote:
> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Didja ever think (obviously can't) that it's the smaller stores,
> > 'specially the mom n' pops that are ripping folks off... of course
> > they are. *Yeah, like folks enjoy spending more... how many of yoose
> > Walmart haters drive about looking to fill up at the MOST expensive
> > gas prices.
>
> I'm beginning to doubt the veracity of much of what you say.

You can glean some knowledge from Sheldon's posts, but they're
unreliable because he's more than a little bit nutty. Lately, he has
developed an interest in the President's penis, and the fact that it's
half Black. I bet he thinks about Paul Ryan's penis too.

--Bryan

"Bryan" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 2, 3:21 pm, "Richard K." > wrote:
> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Didja ever think (obviously can't) that it's the smaller stores,
> > 'specially the mom n' pops that are ripping folks off... of course
> > they are. Yeah, like folks enjoy spending more... how many of yoose
> > Walmart haters drive about looking to fill up at the MOST expensive
> > gas prices.
>
> I'm beginning to doubt the veracity of much of what you say.

You can glean some knowledge from Sheldon's posts, but they're
unreliable because he's more than a little bit nutty. Lately, he has
developed an interest in the President's penis, and the fact that it's
half Black. I bet he thinks about Paul Ryan's penis too.

--Bryan

---

His posts are like watching a docu-drama or Oliver Stone movie. I don't
really care for those because you don't know which is docu- and which is
just made up fictional -drama.

"Richard K." wrote in message ...

I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
for only $1.98.
(snipped)



AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred or
canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil, thyme...

Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't own
a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the jars or
cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.

Jill

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:35:25 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>"Richard K." wrote in message ...
>
>I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
>$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
>for only $1.98.
>(snipped)
>
>
>
>AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
>good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
>like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred or
>canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil, thyme...
>
>Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't own
>a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the jars or
>cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.
>
>Jill

I found no quality difference between different jarred sauce, I've
tried quite a few brands and all are lousy. It's just as easy to open
a tin of crushed tomatoes (no mystery ingredients) and heat with a
little seasoning.

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:35:25 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>"Richard K." wrote in message ...
>
>I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
>$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
>for only $1.98.
>(snipped)
>
>
>
>AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
>good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
>like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred or
>canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil,
>thyme...
>
>Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't
>own
>a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the jars or
>cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.
>
>Jill

I found no quality difference between different jarred sauce, I've
tried quite a few brands and all are lousy. It's just as easy to open
a tin of crushed tomatoes (no mystery ingredients) and heat with a
little seasoning.


Crushed tomatoes don't work for me. Seeds. Can't have the seeds.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Crushed tomatoes don't work for me. Seeds. Can't have the seeds.

Are you allergic to them? I never even notice or care about the seeds.

Gary

Gary wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Crushed tomatoes don't work for me. Seeds. Can't have the seeds.
>
>Are you allergic to them? I never even notice or care about the seeds.

Diverticulosis. There are tinned crushed tomatoes that have the seeds
removed, most contain no seeds. Or one can use tinned pureed
tomatoes. The seeds don't bother me, my favorite is the tinned whole
peeled tomatoes in puree. During the fall months is when tinned
tomatoes are on sale, they're typically about half price so I stock
up.

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:35:25 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

> "Richard K." wrote in message ...
>
> I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
> $3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
> for only $1.98.
> (snipped)
>
>
>
> AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
> good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
> like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred or
> canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil, thyme...
>
> Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't own
> a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the jars or
> cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.
>
If I buy a jarred sauce, which is rare, I read the ingredients and buy
whatever is as close to just tomatoes and spices as I can find.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:35:25 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

> "Richard K." wrote in message ...
>
> I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
> $3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
> for only $1.98.
> (snipped)
>
>
>
> AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
> good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
> like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred
> or
> canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil,
> thyme...
>
> Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't
> own
> a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the jars
> or
> cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.
>
If I buy a jarred sauce, which is rare, I read the ingredients and buy
whatever is as close to just tomatoes and spices as I can find.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.


Exactly, sf. I read labels. No corn syrup, no added sugar. I don't even
want them to add "spices" or other ingredients. I can do (and do) that
myself.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> "Richard K." wrote in message ...
>
> I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
> $3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
> for only $1.98.
> (snipped)
>
>
>
> AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
> good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
> like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred
> or canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil,
> thyme...
>
> Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't
> own a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the
> jars or cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.
>
> Jill


I agree about Newman, but disagree about Hunt's. Hunts is cheap at 99 cents
but tasted very sweet. I think it's mostly corn syrup and cheap
ingredients. Newman's is good, but pricey even when on sale.

"Richard K." wrote in message ...

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> "Richard K." wrote in message ...
>
> I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
> $3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
> for only $1.98.
> (snipped)
>
>
>
> AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
> good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
> like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred
> or canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil,
> thyme...
>
> Sure, I could make my own tomato sauce from fresh tomatoes. But I don't
> own a sieve or a food mill and I have to avoid the seeds. So I buy the
> jars or cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.
>
> Jill


I agree about Newman, but disagree about Hunt's. Hunts is cheap at 99 cents
but tasted very sweet. I think it's mostly corn syrup and cheap
ingredients. Newman's is good, but pricey even when on sale.
****************

I read the ingredients and you're right, they've changed it. Hunts didn't
used to be more than just tomato puree, perhaps with a little seasoning.
Now, HCFS. (Not that I'm terribly concerned about it.)

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> AFAIC one jarred sauce is pretty much the same as the next. Bertolli is
> good but then again so is a can of Hunt's spaghetti sauce Personally I
> like the Paul Newman brand. IME you have to add something to any jarred or
> canned sauce to make it test better. Sauteed minced garlic, basil, thyme...
>
> I buy the jars or
> cans and "tart it up" with herbs and spices.

I used to make it all from scratch but I learned years ago that it's easier
to buy commercial (I use the cheap Hunts cans) and fix them up a bit. Final
result is just as good as scratch.

And somewhat like Sheldon, I make a giant batch of sauce when I do make it.
Only difference is he has a 16 quart pot and my largest is only 8.

Gary

I just started that (8 qt) pot with old turkey and chicken parts a few
minutes ago. This will make a very nice stock after it simmers all night.
Then I'll let it cool. Outside on the cold porch at first, then in the
fridge later. Scoop most of the floating hardened fat out then add tons of
veggies, either Sat night or Sunday morning.

I end up with about 7 quarts of very healthy vegetable soup. I save out
some for a few meals and label and freeze the rest for the future. This
soup I make is very dense, almost like a stew so just a pint of it is a good
meal.

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:02:10 -0400, "Richard K." >
wrote:

>I've been wanting Bertolli lately, but Kroger where I normally go charges
>$3.29 (at best, $2.69 or $2.99 on sale), but the Wal-Mart grocery sells it
>for only $1.98. I guess being non-union and not paying your workers as well
>as other grocery stores, does keep prices down. Why don't they have ads
>touting that? "We keep unions out-- and wage and benefits down-- so you pay
>lower prices!"
>
>I notice the Walmart Neighborhood Grocery (that only sells groceries), does
>not have the same prices as the Walmart superstore that has a grocery in it.
>And although many things at Walmart are cheaper than Kroger, some things are
>the same price. Or even slightly more in rare cases.... I noticed Grandmas
>cookies the other day, that are prestamped 99 cents and sold for that price
>everywhere else, were only 88 cents at Walmart.
>
>
It is a good idea to check the size of the package you are getting at
Walmart. One time I checked the prices of paper towels at a couple of
grocery stores, Walmart and Big Lots. Walmart was the most expensive.
The package of towels was the lowest price but you got fewer towels.
When the Super Walmart opened here we checked out the groceries.

I live in a very small town where most the small businesses are gone.
I will only go to Walmart if I must have something right now that I
can't get at another store here. Fortunately we do have a couple of
good grocery stores.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)