On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:57:56 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

> I have not experienced that; but, I've used the same microwave for 21
> years and it may just be made of better materials. A regular cleaning
> with Windex or Clorox Disinfecting wipes is all the maintenance that has
> been required. I do use covers on most items reheated or cooked in the
> microwave; perhaps that has prevented my having the problem you cite.

Slight change of subject: Have you ever noticed that the people who
complain about how much their refrigerator smells are the same people
who just shove food in there uncovered?

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:

> Slight change of subject: Have you ever noticed that the people who
> complain about how much their refrigerator smells are the same people
> who just shove food in there uncovered?

That's one possibility. Another is their proclivity for shoving dead
bodies into the fridge. I hear that's what sqwishy does.

On 2012-11-27 02:46:12 +0000, sf said:

> The reason why we bought another one was because we (read hubby) got
> tired of reheating leftovers the old fashioned way for his lunch.

Finally; a reason to own a microwave.

On 2012-11-27 15:59:05 +0000, sf said:

> So, how do you heat up leftovers for lunch or rewarm your coffee? Not
> trying to be rude, just wondering.

As for me, we heat leftovers on the range top in a pan, and don't
rewarm coffee. We have a hotair popcorn for the twice-a-year occasion,
but used a kettle before that; old school.

We've never found a use for a micro, though the reheat with little
clean-up certainly appeals.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:35:35 -0800, gtr > wrote:

> On 2012-11-27 02:46:12 +0000, sf said:
>
> > The reason why we bought another one was because we (read hubby) got
> > tired of reheating leftovers the old fashioned way for his lunch.
>
> Finally; a reason to own a microwave.

I'm actually trying to justify not owning one. We went a couple of
years between microwaves, but succumbed when I found the one we have
currently. http://www.busyboo.com/2011/07/25/sm...es-micro-oven/
It has a small footprint, but can hold a regular sized plate. I see
there's an even smaller microwave now - but it doesn't hold much
either. http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-13654_7-6614507.html

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:40:55 -0800, gtr > wrote:

>On 2012-11-27 15:59:05 +0000, sf said:
>
>> So, how do you heat up leftovers for lunch or rewarm your coffee? Not
>> trying to be rude, just wondering.
>
>As for me, we heat leftovers on the range top in a pan, and don't
>rewarm coffee. We have a hotair popcorn for the twice-a-year occasion,
>but used a kettle before that; old school.
>
>We've never found a use for a micro, though the reheat with little
>clean-up certainly appeals.

A microwave is by far the best way to cook veggies, fresh and
frozen... also great for partially defrosting frozen soups/sauces so
that they slide right out of the container, or for small portions
simply let them heat. Not a day passes I don't use my microwave oven
for something, usually 3-4 times a day... already used it twice so far
today to reheat coffee, will use it tonight to reheat a casserole dish
of broccoli, and to reheat the chicken parm hero I picked up this
morning on the way home from the Vet... picked up Frontline for all
the gang. A microwave saves a lot of pot washing.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:30:31 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:35:35 -0800, gtr > wrote:
>
>> On 2012-11-27 02:46:12 +0000, sf said:
>>
>> > The reason why we bought another one was because we (read hubby) got
>> > tired of reheating leftovers the old fashioned way for his lunch.
>>
>> Finally; a reason to own a microwave.
>
>I'm actually trying to justify not owning one. We went a couple of
>years between microwaves, but succumbed when I found the one we have
>currently. http://www.busyboo.com/2011/07/25/sm...es-micro-oven/
>It has a small footprint, but can hold a regular sized plate. I see
>there's an even smaller microwave now - but it doesn't hold much
>either. http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-13654_7-6614507.html

About thirty years ago I bought a Sharp Munchkin, was smaller then
those but worked very well... I used it when I did a lot of traveling,
was great to heat food in motel rooms.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I was used to the water in Memphis which comes
> from a natural acquifer. Artesian well water, straight from the tap.

You were spoiled by the organic, free-range water.

l not -l wrote:
>
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
> > One of my issues with microwaves is they store scents and flavors
> > from previously heated items.
>
> I have not experienced that; but, I've used the same microwave for 21
> years and it may just be made of better materials. A regular cleaning
> with Windex or Clorox Disinfecting wipes is all the maintenance that has
> been required. I do use covers on most items reheated or cooked in the
> microwave; perhaps that has prevented my having the problem you cite.

I've never had that odor problem either.
1) once cooking is finished, leave the mv door open for a minute or so
2) wipe it out occasionally with a damp cloth

G.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:31:37 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>l not -l wrote:
>>
>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>> > One of my issues with microwaves is they store scents and flavors
>> > from previously heated items.
>>
>> I have not experienced that; but, I've used the same microwave for 21
>> years and it may just be made of better materials. A regular cleaning
>> with Windex or Clorox Disinfecting wipes is all the maintenance that has
>> been required. I do use covers on most items reheated or cooked in the
>> microwave; perhaps that has prevented my having the problem you cite.
>
>I've never had that odor problem either.
> 1) once cooking is finished, leave the mv door open for a minute or so
> 2) wipe it out occasionally with a damp cloth

Whether ones microwave develops foul odors is totally dependant on
what one cooks in it, ie. if you use it to cook fish it will stink.
Whenever I have squeezed lemon rinds I nuke them, they deodorize the
oven and the entire kitchen, and the citrus condensation dissolves any
schmutz, just wipe it out while still wet.

On 27/11/2012 6:12 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On 27-Nov-2012, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> Whether ones microwave develops foul odors is totally dependant on
>> what one cooks in it, ie. if you use it to cook fish it will stink.
> That has not been my experience and I cook fish in my microwave often.
> Perhaps my experience is due to mostly cooking cod or salmon, generally
> with lemon slices or lemon juice; maybe my experience would be different
> with another kind of fish or if cooked without the citrus.
>


We have cooked fish in our microwave. To be more accurate, there have
been times when I have cooked salmon to my liking and my wife objected
that it was underdone, so she put it in the microwave to cook it a
little more. No stink.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:04:17 +1100, "Farm1" >
> wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:52:32 +1100, "Farm1" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't know anyone who does that so am interested
>> >> in a different social custom in another country and wondered what the
>> >> reason
>> >> was for it (although I realise there may be no real reason for it).
>> >
>> > Just curious. Do you even own a microwave?
>>
>> Yep. It's rarely used though so lives in the pantry rather than in the
>> kitchen. I(t used to get used for making rice for the doag but the dog
>> is
>> now no more. I've thought about using it solely for dyeing fibre for my
>> spinning, but haven't got around to moving it out.
>>
>
> So, how do you heat up leftovers for lunch or rewarm your coffee? Not
> trying to be rude, just wondering.

I don't rewarm coffee, ever. If it's not drunk hot its down the drain. And
if we ever have leftovers for lunch, which would only ever be in the winter
and then very rarely, they'd be reheated in a saucepan or in the oven.

But I did think of one thing I use the microwave for and that is what you'd
call 'canning' and we call 'bottling'. I've found I can use the microwave
for doing single or small numbers of jars very successfully and use old
salsa jars. I think I might have mentioned this in another supposed food ng
where you post.
http://cook-books.com.au/ccp0-prodsh...ving-book.html

"l not -l" > wrote in message

A regular cleaning
> with Windex or Clorox Disinfecting wipes

Why use disinfectant? Normal washing or cleaning works quite effectivley
whereas using disinfectant means that any bugs that survive grow stronger
and stronger.

"Farm1" > wrote in message
...
> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>
> A regular cleaning
>> with Windex or Clorox Disinfecting wipes
>
> Why use disinfectant? Normal washing or cleaning works quite effectivley
> whereas using disinfectant means that any bugs that survive grow stronger
> and stronger.
Had breakfast in a "diner" in Coolgardie once. Everything tasted of TCP. The
owner had recently had a baby and was obviously trying to sterilize
everything with it but the residue on the crockery infused the food.
Graham

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:16:45 +1100, "Farm1" >
wrote:

> I don't rewarm coffee, ever. If it's not drunk hot its down the drain. And
> if we ever have leftovers for lunch, which would only ever be in the winter
> and then very rarely, they'd be reheated in a saucepan or in the oven.

OIC
>
> But I did think of one thing I use the microwave for and that is what you'd
> call 'canning' and we call 'bottling'. I've found I can use the microwave
> for doing single or small numbers of jars very successfully and use old
> salsa jars. I think I might have mentioned this in another supposed food ng
> where you post.
> http://cook-books.com.au/ccp0-prodsh...ving-book.html
>
I may have seen it when you posted, thanks.

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On 11/26/2012 5:05 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:19:25 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> It sure will. Just make sure that it is very well rinsed when you are
>> finished. I have used CLR to clean out coffee makers and have to put 4-5
>> pots of water through to rinse it before all the bubbles disappear. The
>> inside of the coffee pot is sparkling clean after the machine is
>> cleaned, and without any scrubbing. I wipe a little on the outside and
>> it too is sparking.
>
> Thanks, I think I'll buy some CLR.
>
For the coffee pot, I run some vinegar through the machine a few times a
year. For cleaning the carafe, this stuff works great:

http://www.royalcupcoffee.com/SearchResults.aspx

The coffee service at the office used this stuff to clean the carafes.
Just a couple of drops in the carafe (this bottle has lasted for 8
years) swished around with hot water. Voila! A sparkling clean carafe.

Jill

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:05:10 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 11/26/2012 5:05 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:19:25 -0500, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> It sure will. Just make sure that it is very well rinsed when you are
> >> finished. I have used CLR to clean out coffee makers and have to put 4-5
> >> pots of water through to rinse it before all the bubbles disappear. The
> >> inside of the coffee pot is sparkling clean after the machine is
> >> cleaned, and without any scrubbing. I wipe a little on the outside and
> >> it too is sparking.
> >
> > Thanks, I think I'll buy some CLR.
> >
> For the coffee pot, I run some vinegar through the machine a few times a
> year. For cleaning the carafe, this stuff works great:
>
> http://www.royalcupcoffee.com/SearchResults.aspx
>
> The coffee service at the office used this stuff to clean the carafes.
> Just a couple of drops in the carafe (this bottle has lasted for 8
> years) swished around with hot water. Voila! A sparkling clean carafe.
>
What am I supposed to search for?


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On Nov 28, 4:16*am, "Farm1" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> > So, how do you heat up leftovers for lunch or rewarm your coffee? *Not
> > trying to be rude, just wondering.
>
> I don't rewarm coffee, ever. *If it's not drunk hot its down the drain.

So, either you only brew one cup at a time, or you leave it on the hot
plate? Coffee should *never* be left on a heat source if you have a
microwave. I turn off the coffee maker as soon as I hear it finish.
Since a pot of coffee never lasts a day around here, we don't even
refrigerate it. Coffee that is reheated in the microwave--if not over
heated--is fine. Pouring perfectly good coffee "down the drain" is
asinine.

--Bryan

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:45:50 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> wrote:

> On Nov 28, 4:16*am, "Farm1" > wrote:
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> >
> > > So, how do you heat up leftovers for lunch or rewarm your coffee? *Not
> > > trying to be rude, just wondering.
> >
> > I don't rewarm coffee, ever. *If it's not drunk hot its down the drain.
>
> So, either you only brew one cup at a time, or you leave it on the hot
> plate? Coffee should *never* be left on a heat source if you have a
> microwave. I turn off the coffee maker as soon as I hear it finish.
> Since a pot of coffee never lasts a day around here, we don't even
> refrigerate it. Coffee that is reheated in the microwave--if not over
> heated--is fine. Pouring perfectly good coffee "down the drain" is
> asinine.
>

She could have an insulated pot to keep it warm.
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-c...619-194905.jpg

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On 11/28/2012 11:29 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:05:10 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/26/2012 5:05 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:19:25 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It sure will. Just make sure that it is very well rinsed when you are
>>>> finished. I have used CLR to clean out coffee makers and have to put 4-5
>>>> pots of water through to rinse it before all the bubbles disappear. The
>>>> inside of the coffee pot is sparkling clean after the machine is
>>>> cleaned, and without any scrubbing. I wipe a little on the outside and
>>>> it too is sparking.
>>>
>>> Thanks, I think I'll buy some CLR.
>>>
>> For the coffee pot, I run some vinegar through the machine a few times a
>> year. For cleaning the carafe, this stuff works great:
>>
>> http://www.royalcupcoffee.com/SearchResults.aspx
>>
>> The coffee service at the office used this stuff to clean the carafes.
>> Just a couple of drops in the carafe (this bottle has lasted for 8
>> years) swished around with hot water. Voila! A sparkling clean carafe.
>>
> What am I supposed to search for?
>
>
Sorry! Try this:

http://www.royalcupcoffee.com/Produc...ification=1099

Royal Blue Urn Cleaner. I don't have a coffee urn, nor did we have them
at the office. But a few drops of this in hot water swished around in a
glass carafe... no stains. Nice and clear. Be sure to rinse it well
before brewing coffee.

Jill

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:44:41 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 11/28/2012 11:29 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:05:10 -0500, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 11/26/2012 5:05 PM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:19:25 -0500, Dave Smith
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It sure will. Just make sure that it is very well rinsed when you are
> >>>> finished. I have used CLR to clean out coffee makers and have to put 4-5
> >>>> pots of water through to rinse it before all the bubbles disappear. The
> >>>> inside of the coffee pot is sparkling clean after the machine is
> >>>> cleaned, and without any scrubbing. I wipe a little on the outside and
> >>>> it too is sparking.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, I think I'll buy some CLR.
> >>>
> >> For the coffee pot, I run some vinegar through the machine a few times a
> >> year. For cleaning the carafe, this stuff works great:
> >>
> >> http://www.royalcupcoffee.com/SearchResults.aspx
> >>
> >> The coffee service at the office used this stuff to clean the carafes.
> >> Just a couple of drops in the carafe (this bottle has lasted for 8
> >> years) swished around with hot water. Voila! A sparkling clean carafe.
> >>
> > What am I supposed to search for?
> >
> >
> Sorry! Try this:
>
> http://www.royalcupcoffee.com/Produc...ification=1099
>
> Royal Blue Urn Cleaner. I don't have a coffee urn, nor did we have them
> at the office. But a few drops of this in hot water swished around in a
> glass carafe... no stains. Nice and clear. Be sure to rinse it well
> before brewing coffee.
>
> Jill

Do you think it will remove the white scuzz from inside my glass vases
and candle holders?

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"graham" > wrote in message
> "Farm1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>
>> A regular cleaning
>>> with Windex or Clorox Disinfecting wipes
>>
>> Why use disinfectant? Normal washing or cleaning works quite effectivley
>> whereas using disinfectant means that any bugs that survive grow stronger
>> and stronger.
> Had breakfast in a "diner" in Coolgardie once. Everything tasted of TCP.
> The owner had recently had a baby and was obviously trying to sterilize
> everything with it but the residue on the crockery infused the food.

LOL. That sounds ghastly. New mothers who have some common sense
eventually learn that their precious new creature needs to come in contact
with germs.

"l not -l" > wrote in message
> On 28-Nov-2012, "Farm1" > wrote:
>> "l not -l" > wrote in message
>>
>> A regular cleaning
>> > with Windex or Clorox Disinfecting wipes
>>
>> Why use disinfectant? Normal washing or cleaning works quite
>> effectivley
>> whereas using disinfectant means that any bugs that survive grow
>> stronger
>> and stronger.
> I keep them in the kitchen to sanitize countertops after food prep; for
> example, after butterflying a chicken yesterday. Sometimes I also use
> them on the microwave other times I don't.

But why? My question was a serious one.

There really is no need to 'sanitise', just to clean. A wet cloth and
detergent 'cleans' where any effort to 'santise' can result in breeding
super bugs. Hospitals have learned that lesson but manufacturers seem
intent on convincing peop'e that their houses are full of appalling nasties
that need nuking. The opposite is the truth. Nuking is the way to breed
bugs over the long term.

"Bryan" > wrote in message
On Nov 28, 4:16 am, "Farm1" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> > So, how do you heat up leftovers for lunch or rewarm your coffee? Not
> > trying to be rude, just wondering.
>
> I don't rewarm coffee, ever. If it's not drunk hot its down the drain.

> So, either you only brew one cup at a time,
.................................................. ..........
Yes I do. I make plunger coffee in a single person plunger.

> or you leave it on the hot
plate?
.................................................. .....................
No I don't like such coffee. And the type of coffee maker you are
describing are only used in this country in commercial food establishments
that bulk cater. In other words, those places do big events not individual
table service so they aren't considered to be 'fine dining' sorts of places.
And those coffee makers aren't used in domestic situations here or in any
place which serves good food.

> Coffee should *never* be left on a heat source if you have a
microwave.
.................................................. ...............................................
I've reaheated one drink in a microwave once. Never again and I can't
understand why people do it.

> I turn off the coffee maker as soon as I hear it finish.
> Since a pot of coffee never lasts a day around here, we don't even
> refrigerate it. Coffee that is reheated in the microwave--if not over
> heated--is fine.
.................................................. ...............
In your opinion. I did that once. I like coffee but I like it to be good
so will never drink reheated coffee again.

> Pouring perfectly good coffee "down the drain" is
> asinine.
........................................
'Asinine' is assuming that there is only one way to make coffee. I don't
believe that 'good' coffee gets reheated. Good coffee is drunk fresh IMO.
YMMV.

On 11/28/2012 7:10 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:44:41 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:


>> http://www.royalcupcoffee.com/Produc...ification=1099
>>
>> Royal Blue Urn Cleaner. I don't have a coffee urn, nor did we have them
>> at the office. But a few drops of this in hot water swished around in a
>> glass carafe... no stains. Nice and clear. Be sure to rinse it well
>> before brewing coffee.

> Do you think it will remove the white scuzz from inside my glass vases
> and candle holders?

I thought that was what denture tablets were for.

nancy

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:44:41 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/28/2012 11:29 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:05:10 -0500, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 11/26/2012 5:05 PM, sf wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:19:25 -0500, Dave Smith
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> It sure will. Just make sure that it is very well rinsed when you
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> finished. I have used CLR to clean out coffee makers and have to put
>> >>>> 4-5
>> >>>> pots of water through to rinse it before all the bubbles disappear.
>> >>>> The
>> >>>> inside of the coffee pot is sparkling clean after the machine is
>> >>>> cleaned, and without any scrubbing. I wipe a little on the outside
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> it too is sparking.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks, I think I'll buy some CLR.
>> >>>
>> >> For the coffee pot, I run some vinegar through the machine a few times
>> >> a
>> >> year. For cleaning the carafe, this stuff works great:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.royalcupcoffee.com/SearchResults.aspx
>> >>
>> >> The coffee service at the office used this stuff to clean the carafes.
>> >> Just a couple of drops in the carafe (this bottle has lasted for 8
>> >> years) swished around with hot water. Voila! A sparkling clean
>> >> carafe.
>> >>
>> > What am I supposed to search for?
>> >
>> >
>> Sorry! Try this:
>>
>> http://www.royalcupcoffee.com/Produc...ification=1099
>>
>> Royal Blue Urn Cleaner. I don't have a coffee urn, nor did we have them
>> at the office. But a few drops of this in hot water swished around in a
>> glass carafe... no stains. Nice and clear. Be sure to rinse it well
>> before brewing coffee.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Do you think it will remove the white scuzz from inside my glass vases
> and candle holders?

Have you tried soaking them with a filling of dishwashing machine powder
dissolved in water I mentioned yet? If that didnt work, then try swirling
rice in water around in them, that acts like a scourer without the
scratches that scourers can cause.

On 11/28/2012 7:10 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:44:41 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/28/2012 11:29 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:05:10 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/26/2012 5:05 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:19:25 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It sure will. Just make sure that it is very well rinsed when you are
>>>>>> finished. I have used CLR to clean out coffee makers and have to put 4-5
>>>>>> pots of water through to rinse it before all the bubbles disappear. The
>>>>>> inside of the coffee pot is sparkling clean after the machine is
>>>>>> cleaned, and without any scrubbing. I wipe a little on the outside and
>>>>>> it too is sparking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, I think I'll buy some CLR.
>>>>>
>>>> For the coffee pot, I run some vinegar through the machine a few times a
>>>> year. For cleaning the carafe, this stuff works great:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.royalcupcoffee.com/SearchResults.aspx
>>>>
>>>> The coffee service at the office used this stuff to clean the carafes.
>>>> Just a couple of drops in the carafe (this bottle has lasted for 8
>>>> years) swished around with hot water. Voila! A sparkling clean carafe.
>>>>
>>> What am I supposed to search for?
>>>
>>>
>> Sorry! Try this:
>>
>> http://www.royalcupcoffee.com/Produc...ification=1099
>>
>> Royal Blue Urn Cleaner. I don't have a coffee urn, nor did we have them
>> at the office. But a few drops of this in hot water swished around in a
>> glass carafe... no stains. Nice and clear. Be sure to rinse it well
>> before brewing coffee.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Do you think it will remove the white scuzz from inside my glass vases
> and candle holders?
>

It might. I don't have much use for glass vases and candle holders. YMMV.

Jill

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:16:43 +1100, "Farm1" >
wrote:

> Have you tried soaking them with a filling of dishwashing machine powder
> dissolved in water I mentioned yet?

I missed that post. Sorry.

> If that didnt work, then try swirling
> rice in water around in them, that acts like a scourer without the
> scratches that scourers can cause.

I'm trying white vinegar as we speak. Why? Because I have it. If
that doesn't work, I'll move on to something else. Thanks! I have DW
detergent and they've been through the dishwasher - but it didn't do
the trick, so I'll try it "straight" if vinegar doesn't do the job for
me.


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On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:27:17 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> It might. I don't have much use for glass vases and candle holders. YMMV.

OK, point taken.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 2012-11-29, Nancy Young > wrote:

> I thought that was what denture tablets were for.

Now, there's one I never tried. And we got boxes of 'em. I try it
next time.

I tried the white vinegar thing, last night. Perfectamundo!! I've
never seen that SS pan so ...so ...descaled. Like brand new.

Only problem is, distilled white vinegar is no longer cheap. $4.57
gal at WW for the off brand. That's more than milk or gasoline.
Fortunately, I don't use it for much of anything else.

nb

On 29 Nov 2012 12:02:34 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2012-11-29, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
>> I thought that was what denture tablets were for.
>
>Now, there's one I never tried. And we got boxes of 'em. I try it
>next time.
>
>I tried the white vinegar thing, last night. Perfectamundo!! I've
>never seen that SS pan so ...so ...descaled. Like brand new.
>
>Only problem is, distilled white vinegar is no longer cheap. $4.57
>gal at WW for the off brand. That's more than milk or gasoline.
>Fortunately, I don't use it for much of anything else.

Prices must be very high where you live, I just bought a gallon of
store brand white vinegar (5%), $2.19... seems your prices reflect
your altitude. lol

On 2012-11-29, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> Prices must be very high where you live, I just bought a gallon of
> store brand white vinegar (5%), $2.19... seems your prices reflect
> your altitude. lol

Pretty much. When I moved here, I was astonished at the low scale of
the economy. Rent, housing, pay, etc, all dirt cheap. But, food!?
As bad as CA ever was, in some cases worse. Went to a little street
fair with a few food vendors. Eight dollars for a burrito!!??

nb

On 11/29/2012 7:02 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-11-29, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
>> I thought that was what denture tablets were for.
>
> Now, there's one I never tried. And we got boxes of 'em. I try it
> next time.
>
> I tried the white vinegar thing, last night. Perfectamundo!! I've
> never seen that SS pan so ...so ...descaled. Like brand new.
>
> Only problem is, distilled white vinegar is no longer cheap. $4.57
> gal at WW for the off brand.

I noticed that too! When did plain white vinegar get to be so
pricey? I feel that not long ago it was less than half the
current rate.

Same thing with Kosher salt, I don't remember it being upwards of
5 bucks a box.

nancy

On 11/29/2012 11:19 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-11-29, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> Prices must be very high where you live, I just bought a gallon of
>> store brand white vinegar (5%), $2.19... seems your prices reflect
>> your altitude. lol
>
> Pretty much. When I moved here, I was astonished at the low scale of
> the economy. Rent, housing, pay, etc, all dirt cheap. But, food!?
> As bad as CA ever was, in some cases worse. Went to a little street
> fair with a few food vendors. Eight dollars for a burrito!!??


One of the reasons I love living in Texas... the low cost of living,
including food. Just back from the store where pork shoulders are 88
cents a pound. Typical for this time of year as the Hispanics make lots
of tamales before Christmas.

Seedless watermelons are $3.98 each. Nice!

George L

On Nov 27, 6:25*am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2012-11-26, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
> > degree. *Straight from the tap most people have hard water.
>
> I will admit, it is a tad bit harder than what CO is well known
> for.
>
> I recall, as a kid, the difference in CA hard water and COs softer
> water. *When I was about 5, I came to CO to visit my gramdma, my mom's
> mom, who lived in Colo Springs, which is about 90 mi East of us. *The
> first time I took a shower, I immediately noticed how much sudsier the
> bath soap was. *Washing my hair, I was all but lost in the bubbles.
> Plus, I couldn't seem to rinse the soap film off. *No matter how
> hard/long I rinsed, I felt I had not gotten it all off. *Anticipating
> my anxiety, my grandma came in and told me all was ok, it was only the
> soft water.
>
> Up here in valley of the Arkansas R headwaters, it may not be as soft
> as water in The Springs, but it's as good anything coming out of a
> plastic bottle. *I haven't bought a container of bottled water since I
> move here.

The water here isn't particularly soft, but it tastes good. The well
water from the Ozarks 100 miles SW of here tastes great. You are a
wise person if you have never bought bottled water while living in a
place where the water tastes good. One of my tasks at my job is the
soda machines, I collect the money, fill them and order the product.
When I fill the Dasani waters in the Pepsi machine I think, "You
dumbasses." Now I realize that there are folks who like certain
products like Coke instead of Pepsi, Pepsi Max instead of Diet Coke,
whatever, but the Pepsi machine has 20 oz bottles for $1.25, and the
Coke machine has 12 oz cans for 50 cents. Why would anyone, other
than the folks who truly have a product preference pay more than
double for less than twice as much? Being puzzled by this, I have
asked politely, and the answer I almost always get is the larger size
and resealable cap. OK, so these fools think that the resealable cap
is going to retain a significantly higher amount of carbonation over
the time before it gets to warm for them to want to drink, yeah,
right. Then put that together with the fact that most of these bozos
never drink more than 12 oz of the 20 anyway. I know, as I find them
in the garbage cans because most of them are too stupid or lazy to put
them in the recycling cans that are conveniently located. There are
almost no meetings there where it wouldn't be perfectly fine to slip
out for 30-45 seconds to get another beverage. Now true, many of
these are Alcoholics Anonymous meetings where many of the attendees
are mentally damaged, but still.

Oh, and we charge those prices because the cans cost us 39 cents each,
and the bottles $1.04. Coke and PepsiCo understand that it is easy to
separate a fool and his money. They obviously figure--quite
correctly--that fools will pay the bottle prices, while savvy
consumers will opt for the cans, and they price accordingly.
>
> nb

--Bryan

On 2012-11-30 00:43:15 +0000, Bryan said:

> The water here isn't particularly soft, but it tastes good. The well
> water from the Ozarks 100 miles SW of here tastes great.

So that puts you around St. Louis, right?

> You are a wise person if you have never bought bottled water while
> living in a place where the water tastes good. One of my tasks at my
> job is the soda machines, I collect the money, fill them and order the
> product. When I fill the Dasani waters in the Pepsi machine I think,
> "You dumbasses."

I hate to send you on a new jihad but why are they dumbasses?

> Now I realize that there are folks who like certain products like Coke
> instead of Pepsi, Pepsi Max instead of Diet Coke, whatever, but the
> Pepsi machine has 20 oz bottles for $1.25, and the Coke machine has 12
> oz cans for 50 cents. Why would anyone, other than the folks who truly
> have a product preference pay more than double for less than twice as
> much?

Perhaps it's that the 20 oz bottles are resealable. I never buy a coke
with the intent of drinking the whole thing in one big ol' swaller. I
almost always drink some, close it up again and drop it in my bag if
I'm intransit. If I was using a vending machine, I'd be in transit.

> Being puzzled by this, I have asked politely, and the answer I almost
> always get is the larger size and resealable cap. OK, so these fools
> think that the resealable cap is going to retain a significantly higher
> amount of carbonation over the time before it gets to warm for them to
> want to drink, yeah, right.

Fools and dumbasses. Me, I prefer it because it won't spill and can be
more easily juggled.

> Then put that together with the fact that most of these bozos never
> drink more than 12 oz of the 20 anyway.

Fools, dumbasses and bozos. Is there a resealable bottle in a smaller size?

> I know, as I find them in the garbage cans because most of them are too
> stupid or lazy to put them in the recycling cans that are conveniently
> located. There are almost no meetings there where it wouldn't be
> perfectly fine to slip out for 30-45 seconds to get another beverage.
> Now true, many of these are Alcoholics Anonymous meetings where many of
> the attendees are mentally damaged, but still.

But still--what? You actually expected not only fools, dumbasses and
bozos but also mentally damaged people in the tedious process of
curing alcoholism to behave appropriately--like you undoubtedly do?

On Nov 29, 8:43*pm, gtr > wrote:
> On 2012-11-30 00:43:15 +0000, Bryan said:
>
> > The water here isn't particularly soft, but it tastes good. *The well
> > water from the Ozarks 100 miles SW of here tastes great.
>
> So that puts you around St. Louis, right?
>
> > You are a wise person if you have never bought bottled water while
> > living in a place where the water tastes good. One of my tasks at my
> > job is the soda machines, I collect the money, fill them and order the
> > product. When I fill the Dasani waters in the Pepsi machine I think,
> > "You dumbasses."
>
> I hate to send you on a new jihad but why are they dumbasses?

Well, they're paying $1.25 for water that's no better or colder that
what they could have gotten for free.
>
> > Now I realize that there are folks who like certain products like Coke
> > instead of Pepsi, Pepsi Max instead of Diet Coke, whatever, but the
> > Pepsi machine has 20 oz bottles for $1.25, and the Coke machine has 12
> > oz cans for 50 cents. Why would anyone, other than the folks who truly
> > have a product preference pay more than double for less than twice as
> > much?
>
> Perhaps it's that the 20 oz bottles are resealable. I never buy a coke
> with the intent of drinking the whole thing in one big ol' swaller. I
> almost always drink some, close it up again and drop it in my bag if
> I'm intransit. *If I was using a vending machine, I'd be in transit.

These are folks who are sitting in a room for two hours or so.
Portability is not an issue.
>
> > Being puzzled by this, I have asked politely, and the answer I almost
> > always get is the larger size and resealable cap. OK, so these fools
> > think that the resealable cap is going to retain a significantly higher
> > amount of carbonation over the time before it gets to warm for them to
> > want to drink, yeah, right.
>
> Fools and dumbasses. *Me, I prefer it because it won't spill and can be
> more easily juggled.

You juggle beverages in meetings? Shit, I've always tried to avoid
meetings because they're so boring. Juggling is at least kind of
entertaining.
>
> > Then put that together with the fact that most of these bozos never
> > drink more than 12 oz of the 20 anyway.
>
> Fools, dumbasses and bozos. Is there a resealable bottle in a smaller size?

Those are even pricier.
>
> > I know, as I find them in the garbage cans because most of them are too
> > stupid or lazy to put them in the recycling cans that are conveniently
> > located. There are almost no meetings there where it wouldn't be
> > perfectly fine to slip out for 30-45 seconds to get another beverage.
> > Now true, many of these are Alcoholics Anonymous meetings where many of
> > the attendees are mentally damaged, but still.
>
> But still--what? *You actually expected not only fools, dumbasses and
> bozos but also *mentally damaged people in the tedious process of
> curing alcoholism to behave appropriately--like you undoubtedly do?

I seldom make patently stupid buying choices, but I really shouldn't
be complaining because folks who do so subsidize my wiser buying
strategies. It *would* be nice if most folks--mentally damaged or
otherwise--put recyclables into their appropriate receptacles.

You know that clandestinely taken video where Romney talked about
people feeling "entitled"? It isn't just the poor Joe or Jane, or the
"Robber Baron" types who feel entitled. Most folks across the whole
income spectrum seem to have so little concern for sustainability.
Good night.

--Bryan

On 2012-11-30 04:00:16 +0000, Bryan said:

> On Nov 29, 8:43*pm, gtr > wrote:
>> On 2012-11-30 00:43:15 +0000, Bryan said:
>>
>>> The water here isn't particularly soft, but it tastes good. *The well
>>> water from the Ozarks 100 miles SW of here tastes great.
>>
>> So that puts you around St. Louis, right?
>>
>>> You are a wise person if you have never bought bottled water while
>>> living in a place where the water tastes good. One of my tasks at my
>>> job is the soda machines, I collect the money, fill them and order the
>>> product. When I fill the Dasani waters in the Pepsi machine I think,
>>> "You dumbasses."
>>
>> I hate to send you on a new jihad but why are they dumbasses?
>
> Well, they're paying $1.25 for water that's no better or colder that
> what they could have gotten for free.

Well you never know, unless you read some analysis of the water supply,
which isn't always so forthcoming. In any case I figure there will be
a scandal every once in a while about how dioxins started leeching in a
year ago and they're sorry. Meanwhile I've been drinking it for a
year. Then there are the pipes. Pure water can be contaminated that
way. So you never REALLY know what the hell you're drinking.

In any cases are these dumbasses supposed to tote plastic jugs around
and fill them up periodically in the local shitters in order to
maximize the "free". Is that what you're honestly recommending?

>>> Now I realize that there are folks who like certain products like Coke
>>> instead of Pepsi, Pepsi Max instead of Diet Coke, whatever, but the
>>> Pepsi machine has 20 oz bottles for $1.25, and the Coke machine has 12
>>> oz cans for 50 cents. Why would anyone, other than the folks who truly
>>> have a product preference pay more than double for less than twice as
>>> much?
>>
>> Perhaps it's that the 20 oz bottles are resealable. I never buy a coke
>> with the intent of drinking the whole thing in one big ol' swaller. I
>> almost always drink some, close it up again and drop it in my bag if
>> I'm intransit. *If I was using a vending machine, I'd be in transit.
>
> These are folks who are sitting in a room for two hours or so.
> Portability is not an issue.

Again, if I'm buying the bottle it like a dumbass, I'm not going to be
throwing it away like a bozo just because the meeting ends. I'm taking
the unfinished bottle with me so as not to be a water/bottle wating
pig. Pick your point of attack! I'd recommend "breathing".

>>> Being puzzled by this, I have asked politely, and the answer I almost
>>> always get is the larger size and resealable cap. OK, so these fools
>>> think that the resealable cap is going to retain a significantly higher
>>> amount of carbonation over the time before it gets to warm for them to
>>> want to drink, yeah, right.
>>
>> Fools and dumbasses. *Me, I prefer it because it won't spill and can be
>> more easily juggled.
>
> You juggle beverages in meetings? Shit, I've always tried to avoid
> meetings because they're so boring. Juggling is at least kind of
> entertaining.

Hahahaha. Cute non-evasion. If I'm carrying books and other materials
it's generally called juggling.

>>> I know, as I find them in the garbage cans because most of them are too
>>> stupid or lazy to put them in the recycling cans that are conveniently
>>> located. There are almost no meetings there where it wouldn't be
>>> perfectly fine to slip out for 30-45 seconds to get another beverage.
>>> Now true, many of these are Alcoholics Anonymous meetings where many of
>>> the attendees are mentally damaged, but still.
>>
>> But still--what? *You actually expected not only fools, dumbasses and
>> bozos but also *mentally damaged people in the tedious process of
>> curing alcoholism to behave appropriately--like you undoubtedly do?
>
> I seldom make patently stupid buying choices, but I really shouldn't
> be complaining because folks who do so subsidize my wiser buying
> strategies. It *would* be nice if most folks--mentally damaged or
> otherwise--put recyclables into their appropriate receptacles.

Something tells me there would be something to carp about. After all,
even a well meaning person trying to conqure the booze is just a
"mentally damanged" person worthy of your contempt.

> You know that clandestinely taken video where Romney talked about
> people feeling "entitled"? It isn't just the poor Joe or Jane, or the
> "Robber Baron" types who feel entitled. Most folks across the whole
> income spectrum seem to have so little concern for sustainability.

And those that do, are apparently spending every waking hour bitterly
despising somebody somewhere for something. It would seem.

> Good night.

Bah, there's bozos and *******s making noise!