"sf" > wrote in message
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> I watched regular network TV last night and skipped the "news" hour.
> Whatever news I saw this morning had nothing about her being a
> Doomsday prepper. Maybe Fox is claiming it, but after all they got so
> wrong the first day or two - CNN & MSNBC haven't gone there (at least
> while I was watching). I have a Thin Man movie on at the moment.

The Telegraph in UK had a story. I'm not in the UK, but thought it was
fairly reputable?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-disaster.html

By Jon Swaine, Connecticut and Peter Foster in Washington

9:45PM GMT 16 Dec 2012

Nancy Lanza, whose gun collection was raided by her son Adam for Friday's
massacre at Sandy Hook school, was part of the "prepper" movement, which
urges readiness for social chaos by hoarding supplies and training with
weapons.

"She prepared for the worst," her sister-in-law Marsha Lanza told reporters.
"Last time we visited her in person, we talked about prepping - are you
ready for what could happen down the line, when the economy collapses?"

It also emerged that Mrs Lanza had spoken of her fears less than a week
before the attack that she was "losing" her son. "She said it was getting
worse. She was having trouble reaching him," said a friend of Mrs Lanza who
did not want to be named.

> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 11:47 am, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>> notbob > wrote:
>>> On 2012-12-18, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>>
>>>> gallon metal can filled with water with spectacular results. A 223
>>>> makes a hole of less than a 1/4" on one side and might tumble before
>>>> going out the other-- but the can stays intact.
>>
>>> Short Course on Simple Ballistic Theory
>>
>> Even shorter-- It *is* the 21st century, after
>> all.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSq4CQpgWv4
>>
>> Less than a minute- makes my point.
>>
>> 3 shots- a 5.56 [.223- like the Sandy Hook shooter used], a 7.62, and
>> a .45 - all into their own watermelon.
>>
>> Jim
>
>
> Now to find a classroom full of watermelons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4smSRz8BYk

Greg

>>
>> Am a lifelong hunter, own 2 rifles, 6 shotguns, no pistols.
>
> You're not one of those I'm worried about.
>
Why not?
Why the hell does he need 2 rifles and 6 shotguns? He's only got one pair of
hands!

On 19/12/2012 9:00 PM, graham wrote:
>>>
>>> Am a lifelong hunter, own 2 rifles, 6 shotguns, no pistols.
>>
>> You're not one of those I'm worried about.
>>
> Why not?
> Why the hell does he need 2 rifles and 6 shotguns? He's only got one pair of
> hands!
>
>
Maybe they are upgrades. I have two shotguns. One is an old single
barrel that I got when I was a kid. The other is a nice double barrel
that I go years later. I have a cheap semiautomatic .22 that I bought
for plinking and when my brother got depressed he had a nice .22 target
rifle. I had .303 that my parents gave me when I was 16. The extractor
spring keep breaking and they are getting harder to replace so I recenly
pickup up a nice Russian made surplus semi auto that costs about half as
much to shoot and is more accurate.

About 20 years ago I tookup handguns target shooting and started with a
..22. I upgraded to a 9mm, but that thing is not very accurate and I
recently picked up a new one that is highly rated for target shooting.
It's not like I am stocking up for Armageddon or to fight the
government. They aren't worth much to sell, so I hold on to them... all
in a locked steel cabinet. Who is it hurting?

"graham" > wrote:

>
>>>
>>> Am a lifelong hunter, own 2 rifles, 6 shotguns, no pistols.
>>
>> You're not one of those I'm worried about.
>>
>Why not?
>Why the hell does he need 2 rifles and 6 shotguns? He's only got one pair of
>hands!
>

Maybe you should worry about me, Graham. In my house are 2 pistols,
2 shotguns, and 5[6?] rifles.

Here's the line-up-
45caliber flintlock pistol- was a gun building project 40 years ago-
haven't fired it in decades- but it is pretty.

..22 caliber single shot rifle in the garage for that cussed woodchuck.
..17 caliber pellet gun [this is the ?6-- it is a deadly weapon - and
if I was a survivalist, I'd take it before most of my guns- but
technically it isn't a firearm in a lot of states] I keep it in the
house and have shot a ton of squirrels with it

..22 caliber revolver- my wife's- was her grandfather's- she inherited
it in 1969. A nice little pistol that he carried for vermin on the
farm. I've shot some paper with it, but I'm not really a pistol guy.

..22 automatic rifle- Nylon 66- my first rifle- bought in '67 with
money raised selling seeds door-to-door. A good trapping & small game
gun.

20 gauge shotgun- bought in 68- used for years for small game hunting.
12 gauge double barrel shotgun. One of those 'saw it at an estate
sale and thought I might use it'-- I haven't.

30/30- Savage 99 -this one was my dad's- but it is a match to my
250/3000 - he didn't know I'd sold mine when he gave me his. A good
deer rifle, and a beautiful piece of 19th century craftsmanship.

30/30 Winchester 94- was also my dad's. There are some sweet
memories there. [anyone who watched their dad clean his rifles when
they were children will smile when they hear that there is a Hoppe's
#9 air freshener-
http://www.amazon.com/Hoppes-H9AF-Ai...dp/B007ED76P8/ ]

So I've got a little firepower here-- I own nothing worth killing
anyone over, though. [and probably wouldn't use a gun if someone
needed killing]

Jim

On Dec 19, 8:33*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 19/12/2012 9:00 PM, graham wrote:
>
> >>> Am a lifelong hunter, own 2 rifles, 6 shotguns, no pistols.
>
> >> You're not one of those I'm worried about.
>
> > Why not?
> > Why the hell does he need 2 rifles and 6 shotguns? He's only got one pair of
> > hands!
>
> Maybe they are upgrades. I have two shotguns. One is an old single
> barrel that I got when I was a kid. The other is a nice double barrel
> that I go years later. *I have a cheap semiautomatic .22 that I bought
> for plinking and when my brother got depressed he had a nice .22 target
> rifle. I had .303 that my parents gave me when I was 16. The extractor
> spring keep breaking and they are getting harder to replace so I recenly
> pickup up a nice Russian made surplus semi auto that costs about half as
> much to shoot and is more accurate.
>
> About 20 years ago I tookup handguns target shooting and started with a
> .22. I upgraded to a 9mm, but that thing is not very accurate and I
> recently picked up a new one that is highly rated for target shooting.
> It's not like I am stocking up for Armageddon or to fight the
> government. *They aren't worth much to sell, so I hold on to them... all
> in a locked steel cabinet. *Who is it hurting?

That's pretty much how it works, they just accumulate over time,
inherited from relatives, maybe an upgrade or two and such. How many
screwdrivers do most people have? A lot more than needed I bet. Have
known guys who are by no means gun nuts or even collectors, and have
20+ weapons. These guys tend to like a wider variety of hunting; deer,
elk, boar, duck, dove and pheasant. It's not as if one gun can be used
for them all. Though one shotgun with multiple barrells might come
close. For hunters like this guns are a tool. Not a symbol of
patriotism or freedumb from somed imaginary tyranny any crap like
that. Just tools, like fishing rods, but hunters can see what they're
after. Big reason I never took much to fishing; can't see the damn
things.
Good excuse to sit around drinking beer though.

They're not a PC or TV, these are machined steel tools with a long
life.
People don't hear too much from the normal hunters and gun owners
though. It's the loudmouth extremists that get all the attention.
Seems like these vocal minorities (often funded by not so nice people)
are running the US in many ways these days.
Or at least framing the discussions and leading them.

On Dec 20, 6:58*am, tutall > wrote:
> On Dec 19, 8:33*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 19/12/2012 9:00 PM, graham wrote:
>
> > >>> Am a lifelong hunter, own 2 rifles, 6 shotguns, no pistols.
>
> > >> You're not one of those I'm worried about.
>
> > > Why not?
> > > Why the hell does he need 2 rifles and 6 shotguns? He's only got one pair of
> > > hands!
>
> > Maybe they are upgrades. I have two shotguns. One is an old single
> > barrel that I got when I was a kid. The other is a nice double barrel
> > that I go years later. *I have a cheap semiautomatic .22 that I bought
> > for plinking and when my brother got depressed he had a nice .22 target
> > rifle. I had .303 that my parents gave me when I was 16. The extractor
> > spring keep breaking and they are getting harder to replace so I recenly
> > pickup up a nice Russian made surplus semi auto that costs about half as
> > much to shoot and is more accurate.
>
> > About 20 years ago I tookup handguns target shooting and started with a
> > .22. I upgraded to a 9mm, but that thing is not very accurate and I
> > recently picked up a new one that is highly rated for target shooting.
> > It's not like I am stocking up for Armageddon or to fight the
> > government. *They aren't worth much to sell, so I hold on to them... all
> > in a locked steel cabinet. *Who is it hurting?
>
> That's pretty much how it works, they just accumulate over time,
> inherited from relatives, maybe an upgrade or two and such. How many
> screwdrivers do most people have? A lot more than needed I bet. Have
> known guys who are by no means gun nuts or even collectors, and have
> 20+ weapons. These guys tend to like a wider variety of hunting; deer,
> elk, boar, duck, dove and pheasant. It's not as if one gun can be used
> for them all. Though one shotgun with multiple barrells might come
> close. For hunters like this guns are a tool. Not a symbol of
> patriotism or freedumb from somed imaginary tyranny any crap like
> that. Just tools, like fishing rods, but hunters can see what they're
> after. Big reason I never took much to fishing; can't see the damn
> things.
> Good excuse to sit around drinking beer though.
>
> They're not a PC or TV, these are machined steel tools with a long
> life.
> People don't hear too much from the normal hunters and gun owners
> though. It's the loudmouth extremists that get all the attention.
> Seems like these vocal minorities (often funded by not so nice people)
> are running the US in many ways these days.
> Or at least framing the discussions and leading them.

Best to pay attention and make sure your voice is heard. After the
Port Arthur massacre ("social misfit" shot up a public place),
autoloading rifles and shotguns were banned and confiscated (in
exchange for cash). Even pump shotguns were outlawed.

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
> .17 caliber pellet gun [this is the ?6-- it is a deadly weapon - and
> if I was a survivalist, I'd take it before most of my guns- but
> technically it isn't a firearm in a lot of states]

I own a Crossman .22 caliber pellet rifle (pump action) and you are correct,
it's just as deadly as a real firearm.

I also own a Crossman Co2 bb pistol and it's pretty bad-ass too.

Sadly, both are old and the seals/gaskets are dried up so they don't hold
pressure anymore. they don't work. I like them both though so some day, I'll
take them to a gunsmith and get them restored into working order.

Gary

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:44:31 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> >
> > .17 caliber pellet gun [this is the ?6-- it is a deadly weapon - and
> > if I was a survivalist, I'd take it before most of my guns- but
> > technically it isn't a firearm in a lot of states]
>
> I own a Crossman .22 caliber pellet rifle (pump action) and you are correct,
> it's just as deadly as a real firearm.
>
Can you kill 30 people with it in single digit minutes, pumping up to
11 bullets into each body?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Dec 20, 10:44*am, Gary > wrote:
> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
> > .17 caliber pellet gun [this is the ?6-- it is a deadly weapon - and
> > if I was a survivalist, I'd take it before most of my guns- but
> > technically it isn't a firearm in a lot of states]
>
> I own a Crossman .22 caliber pellet rifle (pump action) and you are correct,
> it's just as deadly as a real firearm.

Check the ballistics -- air-fired projectiles are about half what a .
22 firearm is.

>
> I also own a Crossman Co2 bb pistol and it's pretty bad-ass too.
>
> Sadly, both are old and the seals/gaskets are dried up so they don't hold
> pressure anymore. they don't work. I like them both though so some day, I'll
> take them to a gunsmith and get them restored into working order.

They do exist but he may charge you Anschutz rates.