On Dec 19, 8:29*pm, Bryan > wrote:

> As long as topics are labelled OT, I don't see the problem either, and if threads degenerate, it's pretty easy to ignore those sub-threads.


Everyone draws their own line at their own spot. I don't even
think the OT should be necessary. I agree, if a thread degenerates
it's easy to ignore the sub threads. But there is something pathetic
about it, the way a person wants to say something in one thread and is
not listened to, so then creates another thread in the hopes of,
"Maybe they'll listen this time - if I change the title of the thread
just a bit." I am a bit annoyed by multiple threads created by the
same person - although I can live with it. But I am not at all
annoyed at what happens with a single thread, or by how many times a
person posts into that thread, especially if that person's comments
are interesting enough to merit responses. I don't have a kill file,
but if I did I don't think I'd use it anyway. Everyone has their own
way. I think mine is polite enough.

TJ

On Dec 19, 9:12*pm, "Farm1" > wrote:

> You can't get round usenet a lot if you think this group is bad. *Try any of
> the politics or gun newsgroups and you'll see some real venom.
>
> Here there are a few nutters and it's just a matter of not reading them or
> only reading them to see if they ever do say anything that is on topic,
> interesting, sane or even civil.


Agreed. I'm not a newsgroup junkie but I've visited a few. You're
right, and I've said it before right here myself - this place is
pretty well behaved. I think politics brings out the liar in people.
I think when they debate the issues, that is the sign that the
discussion has ended. When a discussion turns into a debate it's time
for the lies and venom and win at all costs bullshit to overtake
reasoning and openness. Now, as for Somebody's post about venom in
here, I believe he said that just to create a new thread, knowing his
comments would get response - not much different from me when I was a
kid and would respond to ads in the backs of magazines so the
companies would send me mail just to make me feel like someone was
communicating with me.

TJ

On Dec 19, 9:48*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> Arriving here with so an evasive handle as
> "Somebody" not many are going to trust you, actually no one will trust
> you. *Somebody weighs on the scales of trustworthyness exactly the
> same as POS... your initial introduction to RFC was that you're
> evasive... no normal brained person here will ever trust you. *If you
> had an IQ you'd leave now and never return, you'd not be missed.


LOL.

TJ

"Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 19, 9:12 pm, "Farm1" > wrote:

> You can't get round usenet a lot if you think this group is bad. Try any
> of
> the politics or gun newsgroups and you'll see some real venom.
>
> Here there are a few nutters and it's just a matter of not reading them or
> only reading them to see if they ever do say anything that is on topic,
> interesting, sane or even civil.


Agreed. I'm not a newsgroup junkie but I've visited a few. You're
right, and I've said it before right here myself - this place is
pretty well behaved. I think politics brings out the liar in people.
I think when they debate the issues, that is the sign that the
discussion has ended. When a discussion turns into a debate it's time
for the lies and venom and win at all costs bullshit to overtake
reasoning and openness. Now, as for Somebody's post about venom in
here, I believe he said that just to create a new thread, knowing his
comments would get response - not much different from me when I was a
kid and would respond to ads in the backs of magazines so the
companies would send me mail just to make me feel like someone was
communicating with me.

TJ

On Dec 19, 10:12*pm, (z z) wrote:
> I enjoy a mix of off, on, and near topic. With webtv I cannot really
> access Facebook so I hope all of you stick around here. What I enjoy in
> this group is you are all clearly well-educated, in your writings, at
> least. Plus the ratio of male to female is good. So many groups are
> either all 20-somethings and/or mostly female. The crudity here
> sometimes gets really tiresome but its nothing new and it is more
> interesting than some of the banal chatter in other groups. I haven't
> been here long, which is interesting because I have had access to this
> group for over 15 years-went browsing one day out of boredom and dipped
> my toe in the water-and was blasted in the beginning for not quoting,
> and using webtv lol.
>
> We all want our 15+ words of fame :-)


You want to see a group that really moves, try alt.obituaries. If
you post into that group and no one responds within a day you will
come back and find your post two or three pages away from the first.
I think some newsgroups are more naturally inclined toward broader
topics. One was the comedy group I used to visit -now defunct. The
obit group is also broad because it's theme is broad. Everybody
dies. Now, not everybody cooks or cares to discuss eating, so this
place is a bit more exclusive that the obit group, but it too is open
to topics beyond just food, as it should be, otherwise it would cease
to be an entertaining newsgroup. And let's face it, entertainment is
key.

Without being entertained I'm a dead man,
TJ

"Somebody" > wrote in message
...

> Also, many people on usenet do not use RL names. Do you go around
> introducing yourself as Brooklyn1<Gravesend1> to people at the grocery
> store or at churches? Who is Farm1? z z? spamtrap1888? Janet
> Bostwick? Moose in Love? Are these names less real than Mark Twain, or
> David Bowie?

My real name is Cheri.

Cheri

"John J" > wrote in message
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:27 +1100, "Farm1" >
> wrote:
>
>>"I'm back" > wrote in message
>>
>>> I like everyone, until they **** me off.
>>
>>I got a chuckle out of that comment. I'd say that I read everybody till I
>>can sort out the nutters, the knowledeable and the dross.
>
> "Dross is a mass of solid impurities floating on a molten metal or
> dispersed in the metal, such as in wrought iron."

That is indeed one of the meanings of dross. I, however meant it to have
the 4th meaning of the 5 meanings that appear in my OED: "refuse, rubbish"

"sf" > wrote in message

> How about Peaches or Stephanie DeSilva?

There is a Peaches who posts in another ng where I post. Female, older and
with some health issues and a very nice person.

"Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
On Dec 19, 9:12 pm, "Farm1" > wrote:

> You can't get round usenet a lot if you think this group is bad. Try any
> of
> the politics or gun newsgroups and you'll see some real venom.
>
> Here there are a few nutters and it's just a matter of not reading them or
> only reading them to see if they ever do say anything that is on topic,
> interesting, sane or even civil.


Agreed. I'm not a newsgroup junkie but I've visited a few. You're
right, and I've said it before right here myself - this place is
pretty well behaved. I think politics brings out the liar in people.
I think when they debate the issues, that is the sign that the
discussion has ended. When a discussion turns into a debate it's time
for the lies and venom and win at all costs bullshit to overtake
reasoning and openness.
__________________________________________
I disagree with your last sentence. I see nothing wrong with debate so long
as it remains civil. Debate is importatn in all our western societies - one
of the cornerstones of democracy yada yada.... I see no harm in anyone
holding strong views and choosing to bebate them so long as the participants
remain civil to each other. Once civility stops then that when all hell
breaks loose and that's understanable - deliberate insults get the response
they deserve IMO.

Now, as for Somebody's post about venom in
here, I believe he said that just to create a new thread, knowing his
comments would get response - not much different from me when I was a
kid and would respond to ads in the backs of magazines so the
companies would send me mail just to make me feel like someone was
communicating with me.
________________________________________
LOL. I think I did that too a couple of times when I was a kid. It's
interesting that even today, kids get that same sort of thrill when they get
real live mail with a stamp on it that is addressed to them and comes
through the snail system.

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:15:56 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>Try it here? I would love to see that.
>>
>>--
>
> So would I, Ophelia. So would I. But it seems like even if a
> legitimate cooking discussion starts, then it devolves into
> accusations, flaming, you name it. It's a rarity these days that a
> discussion stays on topic and is civil.
>
> I personally think that the majority of the *grownups* went to the FB
> group because of this. But that is my opinion... Some still post
> here now and then...but not to the extent that they once did. Quite a
> few of the old timer RFC'ers have joined the FB group..
>
> If you know a way to turn this group around, I would love to hear it.
> Christine

So would I
--
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 12:23:39 AM UTC-6, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Dec 19, 9:12*pm, "Farm1" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > You can't get round usenet a lot if you think this group is bad. *Try any of
>
> > the politics or gun newsgroups and you'll see some real venom.
>
> >
>
> > Here there are a few nutters and it's just a matter of not reading them or
>
> > only reading them to see if they ever do say anything that is on topic,
>
> > interesting, sane or even civil.
>
>
>
>
>
> Agreed. I'm not a newsgroup junkie but I've visited a few. You're
>
> right, and I've said it before right here myself - this place is
>
> pretty well behaved. I think politics brings out the liar in people.
>
> I think when they debate the issues, that is the sign that the
>
> discussion has ended. When a discussion turns into a debate it's time
>
> for the lies and venom and win at all costs bullshit to overtake
>
> reasoning and openness. Now, as for Somebody's post about venom in
>
> here, I believe he said that just to create a new thread, knowing his
>
> comments would get response - not much different from me when I was a
>
> kid and would respond to ads in the backs of magazines so the
>
> companies would send me mail just to make me feel like someone was
>
> communicating with me.
>
So, you never had any interest in selling Grit, or salve*, or raising sea monkeys?

* http://brautigan.cybernetic-meadows....r thur+Miller
>
> TJ

--Bryan

On 12/19/2012 8:46 PM, I'm back wrote:
> Janet Bostwick > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:53:22 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/19/2012 7:53 AM, Somebody wrote:
>>>> I've never seen a ng with so much bickering and name calling!
>>>> Sometimes, you can cut the hate with a knife. (Which I believe is
>>>> best serve chilled.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Some of us have been here for over a decade. Some of us have actually
>>> met in person. Some of us talk to each other on the telephone.
>>>
>> snip
>>> Jill
>>
>> maybe 2 decades?
>> Janet US
>
>
> Yep, 2 decades here too.
>
> I think it was this group where I first started chatting with a girl who
> ended up becoming my wife (now ex-wife)....... it started as a
> conversation about what was in self raising flour.... which I don't
> think you had in the US back in '91.
>
FYI - self-rising flour has been around much longer than that in the US.

Jill

On 12/19/2012 4:36 PM, zxcvbob wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/19/2012 7:53 AM, Somebody wrote:
>>> I've never seen a ng with so much bickering and name calling!
>>> Sometimes,
>>> you can cut the hate with a knife. (Which I believe is best serve
>>> chilled.)
>>>
>>>
>> Some of us have been here for over a decade. Some of us have actually
>> met in person. Some of us talk to each other on the telephone.
>>
>> There's a reason this is known as the 'Chaotic Kitchen'. I'll bet you
>> didn't know long time members of this ng pulled together and published
>> a cookbook (the proceeds of which went to charity), either.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> I remember that as being the biggest brawl ever! A lot of hurt
> feelings. (remember a former poster here that went by the name "Grandma"?)
>
> Good times.
>
> Bob

There was plenty of disagreement about format, etc. for sure. I recall
some folks getting upset because the number of recipes submitted per
person had to be limited. They had to be, else we couldn't have raised
the funds to publish it. But we did it! I vaguely remember "Grandma".

Jill

sf > wrote in news:ggc5d8hben1mpvcja7f51sn0f3vcdl98g9@
4ax.com:

> On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:55:53 -0500, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/19/2012 11:44 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:10:18 -0700, Christine Dabney
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't remember seeing much bickering or flaming back when I
>> >> started.. Most of the conversation was about cooking/food/eating
>> >> and the occasional disagreement was a generally civilized
>> >> discussion about the subject, and not the persons.
>> >
>> > That's because trouble makers were in college and would have lost
>> > their internet access if they tried it back then.
>> >
>> I've always wondered how people other than college students
discovered
>> usenet that long ago. I only discovered it doing some research for
work
>> in 2001. How did you find it?
>
> 2001? You're quite the late comer!
>
> I wasn't a science student, so I wasn't on the internet in college. I
> don't remember how I learned about it... probably from other students
> when I was in school - but that was before personal computers. I had
> jobs where we used computer terminals that were hooked up to a huge
> mainframe in an air conditioned room.
>


I got my first personal computer in '82.

By '91 I was in charge of a multi-national, multi-system, mainframe
operation centre for a mining software company.

It was just prior to that (about '89), that the Army started to
introduce computers to Bases around Oz.

It was when I was at the large mainframe system that I got into this
group, as well as the skydiving group.


Back then, programmers thought that their shit didn't stink, and used to
look down on us 'lowly operators'.

I used to love the look on their faces when the programmers who'd ****ed
me off would come running up to the operations room pleading with me to
help find the program they'd been working on for a couple of weeks, that
had 'disappeared'.

It's amazing what a few keystrokes can do when you're the Admin
'God' ;-)


--
Peter
Brisbane
Australia

To be a warrior is not a simple matter of wishing to be one.
It is rather and endless struggle
that will go on to the very last moment of our lives.
Nobody is born a warrior,in exactly the same way that
nobody is born an average man.
We have to make ourselves into one or the other.
A warrior must only take care that his spirit is not broken.

On 12/20/2012 8:41 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/19/2012 8:46 PM, I'm back wrote
>> I think it was this group where I first started chatting with a girl who
>> ended up becoming my wife (now ex-wife)....... it started as a
>> conversation about what was in self raising flour.... which I don't
>> think you had in the US back in '91.
>>
> FYI - self-rising flour has been around much longer than that in the US.
>
Indeed it has!

On 12/20/2012 1:32 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Somebody" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Also, many people on usenet do not use RL names. Do you go around
>> introducing yourself as Brooklyn1<Gravesend1> to people at the grocery
>> store or at churches? Who is Farm1? z z? spamtrap1888? Janet
>> Bostwick? Moose in Love? Are these names less real than Mark Twain,
>> or David Bowie?
>
> My real name is Cheri.
>
> Cheri

And mine is Jill. I'm pretty sure Janet's name is Janet, too. Sheldon
signs his posts with his name. The name used in an email address can be
anything you want. Not all of us hide behind pseudoyms.

Jill

S Viemeister > wrote in
:

>> On 12/19/2012 8:46 PM, I'm back wrote
>>> I think it was this group where I first started chatting with a girl
>>> who ended up becoming my wife (now ex-wife)....... it started as a
>>> conversation about what was in self raising flour.... which I don't
>>> think you had in the US back in '91.
>>>
>> FYI - self-rising flour has been around much longer than that in the
>> US.
>>
> Indeed it has!
>
>


Whatever. All I know is she asked me what the ingredients/proprtions were,
and it went from there.

The first marriage through an international cooking newsgroup??


--
Peter
Brisbane
Australia

To be a warrior is not a simple matter of wishing to be one.
It is rather and endless struggle
that will go on to the very last moment of our lives.
Nobody is born a warrior,in exactly the same way that
nobody is born an average man.
We have to make ourselves into one or the other.
A warrior must only take care that his spirit is not broken.

On 12/20/2012 1:27 AM, Somebody wrote:
> "Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Dec 19, 9:12 pm, "Farm1" > wrote:
>
>> You can't get round usenet a lot if you think this group is bad. Try any
>> of
>> the politics or gun newsgroups and you'll see some real venom.
>>
>> Here there are a few nutters and it's just a matter of not reading them or
>> only reading them to see if they ever do say anything that is on topic,
>> interesting, sane or even civil.
>
>
> Agreed. I'm not a newsgroup junkie but I've visited a few. You're
> right, and I've said it before right here myself - this place is
> pretty well behaved. I think politics brings out the liar in people.
>(snip)
> TJ
>

There are newsgroups specifically geared for political discussions. (I
can only imagine the flaming that goes on in them!) It bugs me when
people drag politics into this ng. I skip right on over that stuff.

Jill

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:50:10 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/20/2012 1:32 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> > "Somebody" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
>
> >
>
> >> Also, many people on usenet do not use RL names. Do you go around
>
> >> introducing yourself as Brooklyn1<Gravesend1> to people at the grocery
>
> >> store or at churches? Who is Farm1? z z? spamtrap1888? Janet
>
> >> Bostwick? Moose in Love? Are these names less real than Mark Twain,
>
> >> or David Bowie?
>
> >
>
> > My real name is Cheri.
>
> >
>
> > Cheri
>
>
>
> And mine is Jill. I'm pretty sure Janet's name is Janet, too. Sheldon
>
> signs his posts with his name. The name used in an email address can be
>
> anything you want. Not all of us hide behind pseudoyms.
>
I've sometimes used nicknames to be funny, but I never concealed my real name. I've used a lot of them:
Bryan from Class Act (the old name of The Bonobos), Malibu Bryan (I had bottle blonde hair), Bobo Bonobo?, BOBOBOnoBO, Sabryna Chrestwood, and Food Snob. I'm sure there were several others.
>
> Jill

--Bryan

"Cheri" wrote:
>"Somebody" wrote:
>
>> Also, many people on usenet do not use RL names. Do you go around
>> introducing yourself as Brooklyn1<Gravesend1> to people at the grocery
>> store or at churches? Who is Farm1? z z? spamtrap1888? Janet
>> Bostwick? Moose in Love? Are these names less real than Mark Twain, or
>> David Bowie?
>
>My real name is Cheri.

Everyone here who is worth knowing knows my real name is Sheldon
Martin... where I live, and much about my personal life, which I
regularly include in my posts... has never been a secret since my
first day here. My real picture and real name have been at the RFC
website for many years: http://www.recfoodcooking.org/mug/ I stopped
including my email addy due to an over abundance of spam but I've
never kept it a secret, those with a need to know have it. I used to
include my infamous sig line but no longer bother. People who used to
post here years ago were far more open, sincere, and knowlegeable
about food/cooking... not many old timers remain... of late most
threads are way off topic, and even those on topic are toys r us
pretend cooking. Mostly I've stayed for the Recreation.f.c.

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:07:08 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:
snip
>
>There are newsgroups specifically geared for political discussions. (I
>can only imagine the flaming that goes on in them!) It bugs me when
>people drag politics into this ng. I skip right on over that stuff.
>
>Jill

I apologize. I try very hard to stick to cooking and related.
However, if you've watched me for a time, you will know I am a liberal
who just can't keep her mouth shut about inequities toward women,
working class, ethnic groups, elderly, etc., and sensible gun
management. Those are my hot buttons. I stay out of the fray as long
as I can and then I slip my leash.
Janet US

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:55:53 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 12/19/2012 11:44 PM, sf wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:10:18 -0700, Christine Dabney
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I don't remember seeing much bickering or flaming back when I
>>> started.. Most of the conversation was about cooking/food/eating
>>> and the occasional disagreement was a generally civilized
>>> discussion about the subject, and not the persons.
>>
>> That's because trouble makers were in college and would have lost
>> their internet access if they tried it back then.
>>
>I've always wondered how people other than college students discovered
>usenet that long ago. I only discovered it doing some research for work
>in 2001. How did you find it?

In the beginning several ISPs supported usenet, it was on their tool
bar.

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:46:17 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/19/2012 4:36 PM, zxcvbob wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 12/19/2012 7:53 AM, Somebody wrote:
>>>> I've never seen a ng with so much bickering and name calling!
>>>> Sometimes,
>>>> you can cut the hate with a knife. (Which I believe is best serve
>>>> chilled.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Some of us have been here for over a decade. Some of us have actually
>>> met in person. Some of us talk to each other on the telephone.
>>>
>>> There's a reason this is known as the 'Chaotic Kitchen'. I'll bet you
>>> didn't know long time members of this ng pulled together and published
>>> a cookbook (the proceeds of which went to charity), either.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> I remember that as being the biggest brawl ever! A lot of hurt
>> feelings. (remember a former poster here that went by the name "Grandma"?)
>>
>> Good times.
>>
>> Bob
>
>There was plenty of disagreement about format, etc. for sure. I recall
>some folks getting upset because the number of recipes submitted per
>person had to be limited. They had to be, else we couldn't have raised
>the funds to publish it. But we did it! I vaguely remember "Grandma".

The poster who went by the name "Grandma" was here a very brief time,
I think less than a year, didn't post much, certainly nothing of much
value... I always figured it was a sock puppet.

On 12/20/2012 10:58 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:55:53 -0500, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/19/2012 11:44 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:10:18 -0700, Christine Dabney
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't remember seeing much bickering or flaming back when I
>>>> started.. Most of the conversation was about cooking/food/eating
>>>> and the occasional disagreement was a generally civilized
>>>> discussion about the subject, and not the persons.
>>>
>>> That's because trouble makers were in college and would have lost
>>> their internet access if they tried it back then.
>>>
>> I've always wondered how people other than college students discovered
>> usenet that long ago. I only discovered it doing some research for work
>> in 2001. How did you find it?
>
> In the beginning several ISPs supported usenet, it was on their tool
> bar.
>
Not the ISP, necessarily, but the client used to connect. I found this
place back when I was still on bellsouth.net and used Outlook Express.
I wondered what the heck a newsgroup was so I clicked on it. Lo!
Behold! That was around 1997 or so. Been here ever since.

Jill

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:24:33 +1100, "Farm1" >
wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> > How about Peaches or Stephanie DeSilva?
>
> There is a Peaches who posts in another ng where I post. Female, older and
> with some health issues and a very nice person.
>
Personally, I liked her - but there was an incident, then another and
she was the victim both times. It turned into a real gang band the
second time and some of the people who joined in surprised me.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Christine Dabney wrote:

> In 2014 I will have been here for 2 decades. It has changed a lot
> since then.. I don't remember seeing much bickering or flaming back
> when I started.

Is this your only Usenet group? They've all become more hostile. I blame
the Republicans.

Tommy Joe wrote:

> I have come here on occasion asking questions about food and always
> got some good responses.

You were supposed to do research on how to make soup with dirty socks and
dead insects but no rocks at all. We're still waiting.

Shelley wrote:

> Everyone here who is worth knowing knows my real name is Sheldon
> Martin...

Maybe not everybody. A couple of posters think your last name is Katz.

On 12/20/2012 11:11 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:46:17 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/19/2012 4:36 PM, zxcvbob wrote:

>>> I remember that as being the biggest brawl ever! A lot of hurt
>>> feelings. (remember a former poster here that went by the name "Grandma"?)
>>>
>>> Good times.

>> There was plenty of disagreement about format, etc. for sure. I recall
>> some folks getting upset because the number of recipes submitted per
>> person had to be limited. They had to be, else we couldn't have raised
>> the funds to publish it. But we did it! I vaguely remember "Grandma".
>
> The poster who went by the name "Grandma" was here a very brief time,
> I think less than a year, didn't post much, certainly nothing of much
> value... I always figured it was a sock puppet.

She was rich from all her dead husbands.

nancy

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:17:08 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

> For actual humans
> who cared to know, I have told them and the information was rather
> easily found by those who are internet savvy. To make it even easier
> for those on RFC to find me if they chose, I even posted my location on
> the map that was once intended to show where RFCers live. In less than
> a minute, armed with usenet header info and part of my email address,
> any interested party can learn where I live, what my major hobbies are,
> as well as other pertinent info.

Only Steve Wertz cares that much.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/20/2012 1:32 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Somebody" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Also, many people on usenet do not use RL names. Do you go around
>>> introducing yourself as Brooklyn1<Gravesend1> to people at the grocery
>>> store or at churches? Who is Farm1? z z? spamtrap1888? Janet
>>> Bostwick? Moose in Love? Are these names less real than Mark Twain,
>>> or David Bowie?
>>
>> My real name is Cheri.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> And mine is Jill. I'm pretty sure Janet's name is Janet, too. Sheldon
> signs his posts with his name. The name used in an email address can be
> anything you want. Not all of us hide behind pseudoyms.

Most people here know my real name anyway. I don't hide it but Ophelia is a
nickname I've had since schooldays
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Ophelia wrote:
>
> > If you know a way to turn this group around, I would love to hear it.
> > Christine
>
> So would I

Did you two read what Tommy Joe wrote about this? I think it was him.

If you want this group to turn around and concentrate on cooking, don't take
all your cooking posts to FaceBook....post them here too. Once people start
posting elsewhere, the ng is doomed.

Gary

On Dec 20, 1:16*pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12/20/2012 1:32 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >> "Somebody" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >>> Also, many people on usenet do not use RL names. *Do you go around
> >>> introducing yourself as Brooklyn1<Gravesend1> to people at the grocery
> >>> store or at churches? * Who is Farm1? *z z? *spamtrap1888? *Janet
> >>> Bostwick? *Moose in Love? *Are these names less real than Mark Twain,
> >>> or David Bowie?
>
> >> My real name is Cheri.
>
> >> Cheri
>
> > And mine is Jill. *I'm pretty sure Janet's name is Janet, too. *Sheldon
> > signs his posts with his name. *The name used in an email address can be
> > anything you want. *Not all of us hide behindpseudoyms.
>
> Most people here know my real name anyway. *I don't hide it but Ophelia is a
> nickname I've had since schooldays

it's a pretty name... I've always liked this song called "ophelia"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSi1EYqJ6yg

On Dec 20, 9:50*am, jmcquown > wrote:
> On 12/20/2012 1:32 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> > "Somebody" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> Also, many people on usenet do not use RL names. *Do you go around
> >> introducing yourself as Brooklyn1<Gravesend1> to people at the grocery
> >> store or at churches? * Who is Farm1? *z z? *spamtrap1888? *Janet
> >> Bostwick? *Moose in Love? *Are these names less real than Mark Twain,
> >> or David Bowie?
>
> > My real name is Cheri.
>
> > Cheri
>
> And mine is Jill. *I'm pretty sure Janet's name is Janet, too. *Sheldon
> signs his posts with his name. *The name used in an email address can be
> anything you want. *Not all of us hide behind pseudoyms.
>
> Jill

and some people cannot spell "pseudonymns" But who cares? I don't.
(Actually, it's: pseudonym. I spelt it wrong too

How do you know anyone's real name on Usenet? And so what if you do?
Do you know somebody better if you know their "real life" name... I
was born a doubting Thomas, and like Mulder trust no one. (As much as
that is possible.) But on usenet it doesn't matter. Sometimes, I
wonder what it would be like if everyone posted with the same name.
Confusing, yes. But then there would be no baggage of the poster's:
sex, race, nationality, history, religion, etc. Just words and
ideas... and recipes.

On 20/12/2012 12:35 AM, sf wrote:

>>
>> I am sure that he is well aware of killfiles, and aware that his
>> obsessive posting has landed him in a lot of them.
>
> Which is why he has to morph to be seen.
>


And what can be more pathetic that morphing to be seen. It means that
the person has not only made such of ass of himself that he got KFed,
but they know that people think they are asses and he can continue to
find ways to make an ass of himself. It is truly pathetic.

On 12/20/2012 1:26 PM, Gary wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> If you know a way to turn this group around, I would love to hear it.
>>> Christine
>>
>> So would I
>
> Did you two read what Tommy Joe wrote about this? I think it was him.
>
> If you want this group to turn around and concentrate on cooking, don't take
> all your cooking posts to FaceBook....post them here too. Once people start
> posting elsewhere, the ng is doomed.
>
> Gary
>
I don't like FB's format. It's easy enough to filter things here on usenet.

The problem is there's always new crop of posters who don't know a thing
about netiquette. I'm as guilty as any for adding to some of the
flames; I get frustrated. But "Somebody" posts so often about
absolutely nothing to do with food or cooking, then has the nerve to
complain about it. And morphs constantly.

I still won't flee to FB. I don't like FB.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2012 4:36 PM, zxcvbob wrote:
> > I remember that as being the biggest brawl ever! A lot of hurt
> > feelings. (remember a former poster here that went by the name "Grandma"?)
> >
> > Good times.
> >
> > Bob
>
> There was plenty of disagreement about format, etc. for sure. I recall
> some folks getting upset because the number of recipes submitted per
> person had to be limited. They had to be, else we couldn't have raised
> the funds to publish it. But we did it! I vaguely remember "Grandma".

I remember "Grandma" from alt.cooking.chat. she was nice.

G.

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:44:06 -0800 (PST), Somebody
> wrote:

> Just words and ideas... and recipes.

Some still do post recipes and regret it later.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:07:08 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
> snip
> >
> >There are newsgroups specifically geared for political discussions. (I
> >can only imagine the flaming that goes on in them!) It bugs me when
> >people drag politics into this ng. I skip right on over that stuff.
> >
> >Jill
>
> I apologize. I try very hard to stick to cooking and related.
> However, if you've watched me for a time, you will know I am a liberal
> who just can't keep her mouth shut about inequities toward women,
> working class, ethnic groups, elderly, etc., and sensible gun
> management. Those are my hot buttons. I stay out of the fray as long
> as I can and then I slip my leash.
> Janet US

Guns rule and women should be kept barefoot and pregnant.

"George M. Middius" wrote:
>
> Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> > In 2014 I will have been here for 2 decades. It has changed a lot
> > since then.. I don't remember seeing much bickering or flaming back
> > when I started.
>
> Is this your only Usenet group? They've all become more hostile. I blame
> the Republicans.

Of course you do.