On Dec 25, 9:30*am, Nancy2 > wrote:
> On Dec 24, 2:05*pm, George Leppla > wrote:
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> > On 12/24/2012 12:52 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
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> > > George Leppla wrote:
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> > >> I bought a pistol a few months ago. Walked into the store, made my
> > >> selection, showed my driver's license and answered a few very
> > >> rudimentary questions where I affirmed that I wasn't on drugs, wasn't
> > >> mentally incapacitated and didn't have a felony record. Handed my credit
> > >> card to the sales person, added a box of ammo to my order and left. The
> > >> entire transaction took less then 10 minutes. I am only exaggerating
> > >> slightly when I say that it is harder to by Pseudophed than it is to buy
> > >> a gun.
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> > > Do you mean Sudafed, an OTC pharm product whose active ingredient is
> > > pseudoephedrine?
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> > Sudafed is the name brand. Pseudophed was my misspelling of the generic
> > name of the same stuff.
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> > > I wonder how you bypassed the background check and the waiting period for
> > > your firearm purchase.
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> > This is TX.... there is no waiting period for any purchase of a shotgun,
> > rifle or pistol. *No license needed. *If the dealer did a background
> > check, I didn't see it. *He asked me questions as he filled out a form
> > and looked at my driver's license. I signed the form when he was done.
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> > When I moved to TX, I found that guns do not have to be registered here..
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> > It is my understanding that if I bought a gun from a private person
> > instead of a dealer, that I would not have to answer ANY questions and
> > no background check would be necessary.
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> > George L
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> ...or gun shows. *That is the biggest loophole right now.
>

A licensed dealer must run a background check no matter where he sells
a gun. The booths at gun shows are overwhelmingly ffl holders,
although there's usually one book table, one dealer in military
surplus, and one beef jerky dealer.

Gun shows are not set up to match buyers and sellers like speeddating.
Once in a great while I've seen someone with a homemade sign
indicating he's got a gun for sale.

spamtrap1888 > wrote in

s.com:

> A licensed dealer must run a background check no matter where
> he sells a gun. The booths at gun shows are overwhelmingly ffl
> holders, although there's usually one book table, one dealer
> in military surplus, and one beef jerky dealer.
>
> Gun shows are not set up to match buyers and sellers like
> speeddating. Once in a great while I've seen someone with a
> homemade sign indicating he's got a gun for sale.

So it's not possible to buy a gun at a gun show without a
background check? That's not what we've been hearing. And our
government here has decided to relax gun show rules regarding
background checks.

I didn't even know we had gun shows...I thought that was only the
kind of insanity that happens in the unnamed republic to the south
of us.

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Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

"Somebody" wrote in message ...

Would a cop or volunteer or whatever be a match for someone with an assault
rifle, who has the element of surprise?

And security people are people too with all their bad days, distractions,
prejudices, pre-conceived notions, need for bathroom breaks, sick days, etc.
And can one cop really cover an entire HS campus adequately all the time?

Wouldn't it make more sense to lessen the chance of assaults, than to ramp
up more firepower against potential assaults... The NRA etc sounds like
they what went on in the Cold War. Was anyone safer during the Cold War
with more nuclear weapons and more and more money spent on the military?

Btw, I thought the NRA and conservative Republicans were for less government
and taxes. They seem to be advocating more of a government police state.
We already have in the US a military with an obscenely large budget, and the
TSA that no one knows if they really do much prevention for all the money
spent.

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They also ignore the fact that we have had mass murders in various types of
locations--schools, shopping malls, a movie theater. Are they going to
place armed guards in every place where large numbers of people congregate?
Not only would some of these people be the first to complain about the cost,
but it would also turn us into a police state. Ironically, the mother of
the shooter in the Sandy Hook tragedy had plenty of weapons. In fact, it
was her guns that were used to murder all those innocent victims. But they
did not help the mother--she was the first victim.

I don't call to have all weapons eliminated, but I do think there should be
strong restrictions on assault weapons and on the type of cartridges that
can fire off multiple rounds in mere seconds. The NRA even objects to
restrictions on bullets that literally explode in the body.

MaryL

"Somebody" wrote in message ...

Would a cop or volunteer or whatever be a match for someone with an assault
rifle, who has the element of surprise?

And security people are people too with all their bad days, distractions,
prejudices, pre-conceived notions, need for bathroom breaks, sick days, etc.
And can one cop really cover an entire HS campus adequately all the time?

Wouldn't it make more sense to lessen the chance of assaults, than to ramp
up more firepower against potential assaults... The NRA etc sounds like
they what went on in the Cold War. Was anyone safer during the Cold War
with more nuclear weapons and more and more money spent on the military?

Btw, I thought the NRA and conservative Republicans were for less government
and taxes. They seem to be advocating more of a government police state.
We already have in the US a military with an obscenely large budget, and the
TSA that no one knows if they really do much prevention for all the money
spent.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
They also ignore the fact that we have had mass murders in various types of
locations--schools, shopping malls, a movie theater. Are they going to
place armed guards in every place where large numbers of people congregate?
Not only would some of these people be the first to complain about the cost,
but it would also turn us into a police state. Ironically, the mother of
the shooter in the Sandy Hook tragedy had plenty of weapons. In fact, it
was her guns that were used to murder all those innocent victims. But they
did not help the mother--she was the first victim.

I don't call to have all weapons eliminated, but I do think there should be
strong restrictions on assault weapons and on the type of cartridges that
can fire off multiple rounds in mere seconds. The NRA even objects to
restrictions on bullets that literally explode in the body.

MaryL

On Dec 25, 2:28*pm, Michel Boucher > wrote:
> spamtrap1888 > wrote
> s.com:
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> > A licensed dealer must run a background check no matter where
> > he sells a gun. The booths at gun shows are overwhelmingly ffl
> > holders, although there's usually one book table, one dealer
> > in military surplus, and one beef jerky dealer.
>
> > Gun shows are not set up to match buyers and sellers like
> > speeddating. Once in a great while I've seen someone with a
> > homemade sign indicating he's got a gun for sale.
>
> So it's not possible to buy a gun at a gun show without a
> background check?

I suppose it's possible, but I haven't seen it. Gun shows were defined
so loosely that a group of hunters going out to dinner might have
constituted one, if two guys had swapped shotguns.


>*That's not what we've been hearing. *And our
> government here has decided to relax gun show rules regarding
> background checks.
>
> I didn't even know we had gun shows...I thought that was only the
> kind of insanity that happens in the unnamed republic to the south
> of us.

http://www.ontariogunshows.com/

http://shotgunsbc.ca/events/categori...bec-gun-shows/

Longueil January 13, 2013

spamtrap1888 > wrote in

..com:

>> I didn't even know we had gun shows...I thought that was only
>> the kind of insanity that happens in the unnamed republic to
>> the south of us.
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> http://www.ontariogunshows.com/
>
> http://shotgunsbc.ca/events/categori...canada/quebec-
> gun-shows/

I was being facetious. Of course I know there are gun shows,
although I still fail to see the point of them.

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

On 26/12/2012 10:36 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> spamtrap1888 > wrote in
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> .com:
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>>> I didn't even know we had gun shows...I thought that was only
>>> the kind of insanity that happens in the unnamed republic to
>>> the south of us.
>>
>> http://www.ontariogunshows.com/
>>
>> http://shotgunsbc.ca/events/categori...canada/quebec-
>> gun-shows/
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> I was being facetious. Of course I know there are gun shows,
> although I still fail to see the point of them.
>

I am missed the last local one and I am really disappointed because
there was something I needed that I have only ever been to buy at the
shows, an extractor spring for my old Lee Enfield. I also used to get
deals on empty casings that I used for reloading ammunition,which makes
shooting a lot cheaper. Just like quilting shows, dog shows,
agricultural fairs etc, there are vendors there with all sorts of
specialty items.

On Dec 26, 7:36*am, Michel Boucher > wrote:
> spamtrap1888 > wrote
> .com:
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> >> I didn't even know we had gun shows...I thought that was only
> >> the kind of insanity that happens in the unnamed republic to
> >> the south of us.
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> >http://www.ontariogunshows.com/
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> >http://shotgunsbc.ca/events/categori...canada/quebec-
> > gun-shows/
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> I was being facetious. *Of course I know there are gun shows,
> although I still fail to see the point of them.
>

Cheap reloaded ammunition for target shooting.

Military surplus: Waterproof ammunition boxes, webbed belts, etc.

Short and long guns, new and used

Edged weapons, including Japanese swords that Grandpa brought back.

Accessories, i.e. "grips and clips"

Reprints of Army gun manuals

Beef jerky


In the run up to Y2K, gun shows had a lot of survivalist equipment,
often foodstuffs from Utah, where "doomsday prepping" is a religious
obligation.

spamtrap1888 > wrote in

..com:

> Cheap reloaded ammunition for target shooting.
>
> Military surplus: Waterproof ammunition boxes, webbed belts,
> etc.
>
> Short and long guns, new and used
>
> Edged weapons, including Japanese swords that Grandpa brought
> back.
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> Accessories, i.e. "grips and clips"
>
> Reprints of Army gun manuals
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> Beef jerky
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> In the run up to Y2K, gun shows had a lot of survivalist
> equipment, often foodstuffs from Utah, where "doomsday
> prepping" is a religious obligation.

None of this reasures me that gun shows serve any socially
redeemable purpose.

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

"spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
...

In the run up to Y2K, gun shows had a lot of survivalist equipment,
often foodstuffs from Utah, where "doomsday prepping" is a religious
obligation.

---

why would anyone want to survive a post-apocalyptic world? I don't want to
live in a post-apocalyptic world with Mel Gibson, Viggo Mortensen, Kevin
Costner, or Don Johnson and his dog.

On 26/12/2012 3:18 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
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>> Accessories, i.e. "grips and clips"
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>> Reprints of Army gun manuals
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>> Beef jerky
>>
>> In the run up to Y2K, gun shows had a lot of survivalist
>> equipment, often foodstuffs from Utah, where "doomsday
>> prepping" is a religious obligation.
>
> None of this reasures me that gun shows serve any socially
> redeemable purpose.



There are some religious groups whose activities I don't see as having
socially redeemable purpose.

On Dec 26, 12:40*pm, "Somebody" > wrote:
> "spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
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> ...
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> In the run up to Y2K, gun shows had a lot of survivalist equipment,
> often foodstuffs from Utah, where "doomsday prepping" is a religious
> obligation.
>
> ---
>
> why would anyone want to survive a post-apocalyptic world? *I don't want to
> live in a post-apocalyptic world with Mel Gibson, Viggo Mortensen, Kevin
> Costner, or Don Johnson and his dog.

That's JUST what the Mormons are counting on. The future will belong
to the Mormons.

Dave Smith > wrote in
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>>> In the run up to Y2K, gun shows had a lot of survivalist
>>> equipment, often foodstuffs from Utah, where "doomsday
>>> prepping" is a religious obligation.
>>
>> None of this reasures me that gun shows serve any socially
>> redeemable purpose.
>
> There are some religious groups whose activities I don't see
> as having socially redeemable purpose.

Quite right and I certainly don't defend them either.

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

"spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 26, 12:40 pm, "Somebody" > wrote:
> "spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
>
> ...
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> In the run up to Y2K, gun shows had a lot of survivalist equipment,
> often foodstuffs from Utah, where "doomsday prepping" is a religious
> obligation.
>
> ---
>
> why would anyone want to survive a post-apocalyptic world? I don't want to
> live in a post-apocalyptic world with Mel Gibson, Viggo Mortensen, Kevin
> Costner, or Don Johnson and his dog.

That's JUST what the Mormons are counting on. The future will belong
to the Mormons.

---

I forgot about Romney... easy these days.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:57:20 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
> wrote:

> The future will belong to the Mormons.

They can have it.


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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"spamtrap1888" > wrote in message

> why would anyone want to survive a post-apocalyptic world? I don't want to
> live in a post-apocalyptic world with Mel Gibson, Viggo Mortensen, Kevin
> Costner, or Don Johnson and his dog.

But there would be weirdly genetically-mutated humans (possibly
including oneself) available for weird sex.

S.

On Dec 27, 11:29*pm, (Steve Pope) wrote:
> "spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
> > why would anyone want to survive a post-apocalyptic world? I don't want to
> > live in a post-apocalyptic world with Mel Gibson, Viggo Mortensen, Kevin
> > Costner, or Don Johnson and his dog.
>
> But there would be weirdly genetically-mutated humans (possibly
> including oneself) available for weird sex.
>
> S.

I didn't write that, "Somebody," who uses a non RFC compliant
newsreader*, did.


*X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197

spamtrap1888 > wrote:

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>I didn't write that, "Somebody," who uses a non RFC compliant
>newsreader*, did.

Sorry for the mis-attribution. Somebody should upgrade their
newsreader.


Steve