PENMART01 wrote:


> I'm probably spoiled from growing my own. I grow mostly romas, for sauce
> making, but for eating nothing beats beefsteaks... they are often mishapen,
> blemished, and often downright ugli... but no other tomato tastes as
> scrumptious... and Inever see beefsteaks in any stores.
````````````
I keep romas ripening on my window sill year
round. I like them better for all purposes
actually.And they have better flavor in the middle
of winter for some reason? I dislike how watery or
juicy larger tomatoes get.
Goomba

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> (SportKite1) wrote in
news:20041103214241.06541.00000015
> @mb-m24.aol.com:
>
> > Thanks for making my point.
> >
> > Ellen
>
> The point is that you're a card carrying AOL çunt whom everyone on every
NG
> should be wary of.
>
> <plonk>


*lol*...

--
Best
Greg

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> (SportKite1) wrote in
news:20041103214241.06541.00000015
> @mb-m24.aol.com:
>
> > Thanks for making my point.
> >
> > Ellen
>
> The point is that you're a card carrying AOL çunt whom everyone on every
NG
> should be wary of.
>
> <plonk>


*lol*...

--
Best
Greg

Hi Ellen;
This would be in the realm of possibility with some
varieties,but we grow for quality,not quanity.Tomatoes are hot weather
lovers and up here in New England,our seasons are a bit short.Tomatoes
do most of their growing on hot,humid nights of which we had few this
summer.To grow great tomatoes,add ONE level teaspoon of epsom salts to
the planting hole and mix in well.Best of luck to you in all you do.

"Katra" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "kilikini" > wrote:
>
> > "SportKite1" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > >From:
> > >
> > > > The cost of having a nice tomato & lettuce salad/sandwich,has gone
> > > >way up.
> > >
> > > Perhaps the price of having a BLT has gone up, but having a NICE
tomato is
> > > nonexistent. They are the worse tasting pieces of drek I've seen in
> > years....at
> > > ANY price.
> > >
> > > Ellen
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I agree, they're orange instead of red and they're always hard. Good
luck
> > finding vine ripened these days.
> >
> > kili
> >
> >
>
> I just bought 3 nice tomato plants at Lowe's to winter over in my
> greenhouse. ;-) Will be putting them into 5 gallon pots today with a
> cage.
>
> I should have vine ripe tomatos all winter now, starting in about 3
> weeks. One already has a fruit on it and all 3 are blooming.
>
> You are in HI Kili, why aren't you growing your own???
>
> K.
>
> --

I didn't have anywhere to grow them in my apartment there. I've recently
gotten married and moved to Florida, so I am hoping to put a garden in the
yard here somewhere, eventually. I finally have my "own" house with a yard!
I just have to find out what grows best out here on the "wrong" coast. <g>
I keep reminding my southern husband that I'm a West Coast girl. I'm LOST
over here!

kili

(SportKite1) wrote:

>>From:
>
>> We grow quite a few tomatoes on our farm,mostly Celebrity,Viva
>>Italiana,Abe Lincoln hybrid and a few other varieties.It wasn't the best
>>season this year,but we canned 60 qts.
>
>Hi there!
>Would you mind if I picked your brain here? I was reading a book on 'mater
>growing in the south. There was a quote that said a well tended plant should
>yield 100 lbs of tomatoes in its season. No particular variety was mentioned.
>
>What I'm inquiring is...do you think this is way out of wack...inflated yield
>so to speak.
>
>Thanks,
>Ellen
>

I think perfect weather for the season would make all the difference
in the world. Too much rain or too cool will mess up the yield. Of
course a hurricane in early September will probably ruin the plants
that would otherwise have had two more months of production.
--
Susan N.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.

In article >, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>kilikini wrote:
>> "SportKite1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>> From:
>>>
>>>> The cost of having a nice tomato & lettuce salad/sandwich,has gone
>>>> way up.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the price of having a BLT has gone up, but having a NICE
>>> tomato is nonexistent. They are the worse tasting pieces of drek
>>> I've seen in years....at ANY price.
>>
>> I agree, they're orange instead of red and they're always hard. Good
>> luck finding vine ripened these days.

Down in this part of the planet we have similar problems, but we *can*
get nice tomatoes at a price -- like $8.95/kg versus $2.99/kg for the
normal gunk, both types at the local supermarket at the moment.

>The small store down the street from me does carry nice, red, juicy
>vine-ripened tomatoes in the summer months. They get them from farmers in
>Ripley, TN, which is like tomato mecca in this part of the state.
>
>I think it's a bit too late in the year for decent tomatoes if they have to
>truck them in from a distance. Then, of course, they pick them too early so
>they don't rot in transit. They just aren't the same.

Some years ago a tomato breeder explained that they had indeed bred a
tasty, transportable, tomato here. But it had to be left on the bush
until coloured to develop flavour -- it could then be shipped okay
because it was still very firm in spite of being "vine ripened".
Trouble was, farmers and the rest of the trade either wouldn't believe
it, or couldn't break old habits, so it was picked green like the rest
and ended up tasting like the rest as a result. :-(

Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

In article >, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>kilikini wrote:
>> "SportKite1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>> From:
>>>
>>>> The cost of having a nice tomato & lettuce salad/sandwich,has gone
>>>> way up.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the price of having a BLT has gone up, but having a NICE
>>> tomato is nonexistent. They are the worse tasting pieces of drek
>>> I've seen in years....at ANY price.
>>
>> I agree, they're orange instead of red and they're always hard. Good
>> luck finding vine ripened these days.

Down in this part of the planet we have similar problems, but we *can*
get nice tomatoes at a price -- like $8.95/kg versus $2.99/kg for the
normal gunk, both types at the local supermarket at the moment.

>The small store down the street from me does carry nice, red, juicy
>vine-ripened tomatoes in the summer months. They get them from farmers in
>Ripley, TN, which is like tomato mecca in this part of the state.
>
>I think it's a bit too late in the year for decent tomatoes if they have to
>truck them in from a distance. Then, of course, they pick them too early so
>they don't rot in transit. They just aren't the same.

Some years ago a tomato breeder explained that they had indeed bred a
tasty, transportable, tomato here. But it had to be left on the bush
until coloured to develop flavour -- it could then be shipped okay
because it was still very firm in spite of being "vine ripened".
Trouble was, farmers and the rest of the trade either wouldn't believe
it, or couldn't break old habits, so it was picked green like the rest
and ended up tasting like the rest as a result. :-(

Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

>Richard Periut writes:
>
>PENMART01 wrote:
>>
>> Not really out of whack... but depends what is meant by "well tended"...
>and
>> how much tending to one is willing to do. It's far more advantageous to
>plant
>> a few tomato plants and not spend so much time and effort tending to. I
>can
>> easily get 100 lbs of tomatoes from three plants and do practically no
>tending
>> to.
>
>Which varieties do you grown? Heirlooms, indeterminates, et cetera?
>
>I've had a bit of luck with pot grown stuff, but I'm thinking of
>dedicating the North part of my back yard to a veggie garden. I would
>have about 3 * 80 sq. feet. I'm going to have to sacrifice that space,
>which is normally grass. My neighbor I think wont like it, because there
>will be various plants, shrubs, et cetera, adorning the S part of his
>lawn (border.)
>
>Also, do you germinate the seeds yourself, or buy the small plants?

I used to grow tomatoes from seed but for many years now I buy flats of
plants... cost ends up about the same and plants are far less labor intensive.
I generally plant romas and beefsteaks, and various hybrid tomatoes, I like to
plant some cherry tomatoes too and I may plant a few heirlooms just for fun.

I'm not sure what you mean by a " 3 * 80 sq. feet" space. My primary veggie
garden occupies a fenced 50' X 50' area... this is plenty of room to grow more
than I can ever hope to use myself... in fact my neighbor and I trade the items
the other doesn't grow, kind of a co-op deal, adn we both give lots away. Why
not discuss the placement of your garden with your neighbor, give him some
options, such as him having an adjoining garden, perhaps with a space between
on the property line, enough for a lawn mower to pass through. My garden sets
in a field right along side a small stream, the ground stays moist enough that
I never need to water.

There is no monetary saving associated with having a veggie garden, it's a
hobby I do for personal fulfillment and so that I can have some decent
vegetables, but it is a very expensive hobby... and a tremendous amount of hard
physical labor.
---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

>Richard Periut writes:
>
>PENMART01 wrote:
>>
>> Not really out of whack... but depends what is meant by "well tended"...
>and
>> how much tending to one is willing to do. It's far more advantageous to
>plant
>> a few tomato plants and not spend so much time and effort tending to. I
>can
>> easily get 100 lbs of tomatoes from three plants and do practically no
>tending
>> to.
>
>Which varieties do you grown? Heirlooms, indeterminates, et cetera?
>
>I've had a bit of luck with pot grown stuff, but I'm thinking of
>dedicating the North part of my back yard to a veggie garden. I would
>have about 3 * 80 sq. feet. I'm going to have to sacrifice that space,
>which is normally grass. My neighbor I think wont like it, because there
>will be various plants, shrubs, et cetera, adorning the S part of his
>lawn (border.)
>
>Also, do you germinate the seeds yourself, or buy the small plants?

I used to grow tomatoes from seed but for many years now I buy flats of
plants... cost ends up about the same and plants are far less labor intensive.
I generally plant romas and beefsteaks, and various hybrid tomatoes, I like to
plant some cherry tomatoes too and I may plant a few heirlooms just for fun.

I'm not sure what you mean by a " 3 * 80 sq. feet" space. My primary veggie
garden occupies a fenced 50' X 50' area... this is plenty of room to grow more
than I can ever hope to use myself... in fact my neighbor and I trade the items
the other doesn't grow, kind of a co-op deal, adn we both give lots away. Why
not discuss the placement of your garden with your neighbor, give him some
options, such as him having an adjoining garden, perhaps with a space between
on the property line, enough for a lawn mower to pass through. My garden sets
in a field right along side a small stream, the ground stays moist enough that
I never need to water.

There is no monetary saving associated with having a veggie garden, it's a
hobby I do for personal fulfillment and so that I can have some decent
vegetables, but it is a very expensive hobby... and a tremendous amount of hard
physical labor.
---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

T wrote:

> The cost of having a nice tomato & lettuce salad/sandwich,has gone
> way up.

Mine are still producing. Not pretty, but taste good. They're growing
next to a brick wall that radiates heat and keeps them warm at night.
We'll be picking until the first hard freeze, usually after Thanksgiving.

Pastorio

T wrote:

> The cost of having a nice tomato & lettuce salad/sandwich,has gone
> way up.

Mine are still producing. Not pretty, but taste good. They're growing
next to a brick wall that radiates heat and keeps them warm at night.
We'll be picking until the first hard freeze, usually after Thanksgiving.

Pastorio

In article >,
"kilikini" > wrote:

> "Katra" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "kilikini" > wrote:
> >
> > > "SportKite1" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > >From:
> > > >
> > > > > The cost of having a nice tomato & lettuce salad/sandwich,has gone
> > > > >way up.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps the price of having a BLT has gone up, but having a NICE
> tomato is
> > > > nonexistent. They are the worse tasting pieces of drek I've seen in
> > > years....at
> > > > ANY price.
> > > >
> > > > Ellen
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I agree, they're orange instead of red and they're always hard. Good
> luck
> > > finding vine ripened these days.
> > >
> > > kili
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I just bought 3 nice tomato plants at Lowe's to winter over in my
> > greenhouse. ;-) Will be putting them into 5 gallon pots today with a
> > cage.
> >
> > I should have vine ripe tomatos all winter now, starting in about 3
> > weeks. One already has a fruit on it and all 3 are blooming.
> >
> > You are in HI Kili, why aren't you growing your own???
> >
> > K.
> >
> > --
>
> I didn't have anywhere to grow them in my apartment there. I've recently
> gotten married and moved to Florida, so I am hoping to put a garden in the
> yard here somewhere, eventually. I finally have my "own" house with a yard!
> I just have to find out what grows best out here on the "wrong" coast. <g>
> I keep reminding my southern husband that I'm a West Coast girl. I'm LOST
> over here!
>
> kili
>
>

Hey if you can avoid hurricanes somehow, Florida has a nice long growing
season. ;-)

join the newsgroup rec.gardens.edible

it's a good group, does not generate a lot of messages, and pretty much
stays on topic! <lol>

K.

In article >,
(PENMART01) wrote:

> >Richard Periut writes:
> >
> >PENMART01 wrote:
> >>
> >> Not really out of whack... but depends what is meant by "well tended"...
> >and
> >> how much tending to one is willing to do. It's far more advantageous to
> >plant
> >> a few tomato plants and not spend so much time and effort tending to. I
> >can
> >> easily get 100 lbs of tomatoes from three plants and do practically no
> >tending
> >> to.
> >
> >Which varieties do you grown? Heirlooms, indeterminates, et cetera?
> >
> >I've had a bit of luck with pot grown stuff, but I'm thinking of
> >dedicating the North part of my back yard to a veggie garden. I would
> >have about 3 * 80 sq. feet. I'm going to have to sacrifice that space,
> >which is normally grass. My neighbor I think wont like it, because there
> >will be various plants, shrubs, et cetera, adorning the S part of his
> >lawn (border.)
> >
> >Also, do you germinate the seeds yourself, or buy the small plants?
>
> I used to grow tomatoes from seed but for many years now I buy flats of
> plants... cost ends up about the same and plants are far less labor
> intensive.
> I generally plant romas and beefsteaks, and various hybrid tomatoes, I like
> to
> plant some cherry tomatoes too and I may plant a few heirlooms just for fun.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by a " 3 * 80 sq. feet" space. My primary veggie
> garden occupies a fenced 50' X 50' area... this is plenty of room to grow
> more
> than I can ever hope to use myself... in fact my neighbor and I trade the
> items
> the other doesn't grow, kind of a co-op deal, adn we both give lots away.
> Why
> not discuss the placement of your garden with your neighbor, give him some
> options, such as him having an adjoining garden, perhaps with a space between
> on the property line, enough for a lawn mower to pass through. My garden sets
> in a field right along side a small stream, the ground stays moist enough
> that
> I never need to water.
>
> There is no monetary saving associated with having a veggie garden, it's a
> hobby I do for personal fulfillment and so that I can have some decent
> vegetables, but it is a very expensive hobby... and a tremendous amount of
> hard
> physical labor.
>
> Sheldon
>
I have to concur...
I could buy a lot of veggies from the store for the money I spend on
water..... :-)

But I will still continue to garden! It's very fulfilling.

K.

<snip>

> There is no monetary saving associated with having a veggie garden, it's a
> hobby I do for personal fulfillment and so that I can have some decent
> vegetables, but it is a very expensive hobby... and a tremendous amount of
> hard
> physical labor.
> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
> *********
> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
> Sheldon
> ````````````

Doesn't matter. Any veggie grown yourself tastes better to yourself.

<snip>

> There is no monetary saving associated with having a veggie garden, it's a
> hobby I do for personal fulfillment and so that I can have some decent
> vegetables, but it is a very expensive hobby... and a tremendous amount of
> hard
> physical labor.
> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
> *********
> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
> Sheldon
> ````````````

Doesn't matter. Any veggie grown yourself tastes better to yourself.

>> There is no monetary saving associated with having a veggie garden, it's a
>> hobby I do for personal fulfillment and so that I can have some decent
>> vegetables, but it is a very expensive hobby... and a tremendous amount of
>> hard
>> physical labor.
>>
>> Sheldon
>>
>I have to concur...
>I could buy a lot of veggies from the store for the money I spend on
>water..... :-)
>
>But I will still continue to garden! It's very fulfilling.
>
>K.

Yep, honest hard work is good for the soul and is an immunization against
psychosis... farmers don't suffer with depressive mental disorders... nor do
they become afflicted with democrat disease.



---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

> "Kswck" writes:
>
><snip>
>
>> There is no monetary saving associated with having a veggie garden, it's a
>> hobby I do for personal fulfillment and so that I can have some decent
>> vegetables, but it is a very expensive hobby... and a tremendous amount of
>> hard
>> physical labor.
>
>Doesn't matter. Any veggie grown yourself tastes better to yourself.

Not always true if one is honest... I've grown some veggies that turned out
just awful... of course the weather has a lot to do with it, and that is out of
the grower's control. Not a year has gone by I haven't had a couple of
complete failures.... this past season everything suffered, the nights were too
cool and it rained too much.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

SportKite1 wrote:

>>From:
>
>
>>We grow quite a few tomatoes on our farm,mostly Celebrity,Viva
>>Italiana,Abe Lincoln hybrid and a few other varieties.It wasn't the best
>>season this year,but we canned 60 qts.
>
>
> Hi there!
> Would you mind if I picked your brain here? I was reading a book on 'mater
> growing in the south. There was a quote that said a well tended plant should
> yield 100 lbs of tomatoes in its season. No particular variety was mentioned.
>
> What I'm inquiring is...do you think this is way out of wack...inflated yield
> so to speak.
>
> Thanks,
> Ellen
>


"Better Boy" can probably do that. I believe it's the world record
holder for heavy yield, and it's a nice tasty slicing tomato. Exotic
heirloom tomatoes haven't done very well for me the past few years, so
I'll probably just plant Better Boys and some tomatillo plants next year.

Bob

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> (SportKite1) wrote in
> :
>
>
>>>From: Wayne Boatwright
>>
>>>You're just a bitch, pure and simple,
>>
>>And you, Mr. Flaunt Myself as so Wise, are a showboater, pure and
>>simple.
>>
>>Ellen
>
>
> I honestly can't fathom where you get that. There isn't a single followup
> post here that hasn't been tagged onto someone else's post, and it often
> runs for pages. I do no differently. I have initiated posts and asked
> direct questions and initiated requests, but it certainly wasn't for the
> attention. I was seeking information or an opinion. I don't know why you
> have such an axe to grind, other than that I didn't bow to your initial
> chastisement. You, lady, are the one with the problem. Get over it.
>


Why don't you two lovebirds get a room or something. :-P

Bob

>From: zxcvbob

>Why don't you two lovebirds get a room or something. :-P
>
>Bob

Hehehehe...I been plonked!
Oh Happy Day!!!

Ellen

>From: zxcvbob

>"Better Boy" can probably do that. I believe it's the world record
>holder for heavy yield, and it's a nice tasty slicing tomato. Exotic
>heirloom tomatoes haven't done very well for me the past few years, so
>I'll probably just plant Better Boys and some tomatillo plants next year.
>
>Bob

Sounds good. Now do you do anything special with your tomatillos? As in making
sauce or canning them?

Ellen

>From: zxcvbob

>"Better Boy" can probably do that. I believe it's the world record
>holder for heavy yield, and it's a nice tasty slicing tomato. Exotic
>heirloom tomatoes haven't done very well for me the past few years, so
>I'll probably just plant Better Boys and some tomatillo plants next year.
>
>Bob

Sounds good. Now do you do anything special with your tomatillos? As in making
sauce or canning them?

Ellen

SportKite1 wrote:

>>From: zxcvbob
>
>
>>"Better Boy" can probably do that. I believe it's the world record
>>holder for heavy yield, and it's a nice tasty slicing tomato. Exotic
>>heirloom tomatoes haven't done very well for me the past few years, so
>>I'll probably just plant Better Boys and some tomatillo plants next year.
>>
>>Bob
>
>
> Sounds good. Now do you do anything special with your tomatillos? As in making
> sauce or canning them?
>
> Ellen
>
>
>


I gotta run, but I'll post the salsa recipes much later tonight. (Or
you can google them under my name in rec.food.preserving, and maybe I
also posted them in rec.food.recipes.)

Bob

SportKite1 wrote:

>>From: zxcvbob
>
>
>>"Better Boy" can probably do that. I believe it's the world record
>>holder for heavy yield, and it's a nice tasty slicing tomato. Exotic
>>heirloom tomatoes haven't done very well for me the past few years, so
>>I'll probably just plant Better Boys and some tomatillo plants next year.
>>
>>Bob
>
>
> Sounds good. Now do you do anything special with your tomatillos? As in making
> sauce or canning them?
>
> Ellen
>
>
>


I gotta run, but I'll post the salsa recipes much later tonight. (Or
you can google them under my name in rec.food.preserving, and maybe I
also posted them in rec.food.recipes.)

Bob

>From: zxcvbob

>I gotta run, but I'll post the salsa recipes much later tonight. (Or
>you can google them under my name in rec.food.preserving, and maybe I
>also posted them in rec.food.recipes.)
>
>Bob

Will do. Thanks!

Ellen

>From: zxcvbob

>I gotta run, but I'll post the salsa recipes much later tonight. (Or
>you can google them under my name in rec.food.preserving, and maybe I
>also posted them in rec.food.recipes.)
>
>Bob

Will do. Thanks!

Ellen

PENMART01 wrote:

>>Richard Periut writes:
>>
>>PENMART01 wrote:
>>
>>>Not really out of whack... but depends what is meant by "well tended"...
>>
>>and
>>
>>>how much tending to one is willing to do. It's far more advantageous to
>>
>>plant
>>
>>>a few tomato plants and not spend so much time and effort tending to. I
>>
>>can
>>
>>>easily get 100 lbs of tomatoes from three plants and do practically no
>>
>>tending
>>
>>>to.
>>
>>Which varieties do you grown? Heirlooms, indeterminates, et cetera?
>>
>>I've had a bit of luck with pot grown stuff, but I'm thinking of
>>dedicating the North part of my back yard to a veggie garden. I would
>>have about 3 * 80 sq. feet. I'm going to have to sacrifice that space,
>>which is normally grass. My neighbor I think wont like it, because there
>>will be various plants, shrubs, et cetera, adorning the S part of his
>>lawn (border.)
>>
>>Also, do you germinate the seeds yourself, or buy the small plants?
>
>
> I used to grow tomatoes from seed but for many years now I buy flats of
> plants... cost ends up about the same and plants are far less labor intensive.
> I generally plant romas and beefsteaks, and various hybrid tomatoes, I like to
> plant some cherry tomatoes too and I may plant a few heirlooms just for fun.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by a " 3 * 80 sq. feet" space. My primary veggie
> garden occupies a fenced 50' X 50' area... this is plenty of room to grow more
> than I can ever hope to use myself... in fact my neighbor and I trade the items
> the other doesn't grow, kind of a co-op deal, adn we both give lots away. Why
> not discuss the placement of your garden with your neighbor, give him some
> options, such as him having an adjoining garden, perhaps with a space between
> on the property line, enough for a lawn mower to pass through. My garden sets
> in a field right along side a small stream, the ground stays moist enough that
> I never need to water.
>
> There is no monetary saving associated with having a veggie garden, it's a
> hobby I do for personal fulfillment and so that I can have some decent
> vegetables, but it is a very expensive hobby... and a tremendous amount of hard
> physical labor.
> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
> *********
> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
> Sheldon
> ````````````
Thanks.

Yes, mine is the satisfaction of growing your own (or giving nature a
push,) and eating the most fresh produce I can grow. Makes a big
difference as you know.

Rich

--
"Dum Spiro, Spero."

As long as I breath, I hope.

Cicero (Ancient Rome)





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Let there be fish!!!

PENMART01 wrote:

>>Richard Periut writes:
>>
>>PENMART01 wrote:
>>
>>>Not really out of whack... but depends what is meant by "well tended"...
>>
>>and
>>
>>>how much tending to one is willing to do. It's far more advantageous to
>>
>>plant
>>
>>>a few tomato plants and not spend so much time and effort tending to. I
>>
>>can
>>
>>>easily get 100 lbs of tomatoes from three plants and do practically no
>>
>>tending
>>
>>>to.
>>
>>Which varieties do you grown? Heirlooms, indeterminates, et cetera?
>>
>>I've had a bit of luck with pot grown stuff, but I'm thinking of
>>dedicating the North part of my back yard to a veggie garden. I would
>>have about 3 * 80 sq. feet. I'm going to have to sacrifice that space,
>>which is normally grass. My neighbor I think wont like it, because there
>>will be various plants, shrubs, et cetera, adorning the S part of his
>>lawn (border.)
>>
>>Also, do you germinate the seeds yourself, or buy the small plants?
>
>
> I used to grow tomatoes from seed but for many years now I buy flats of
> plants... cost ends up about the same and plants are far less labor intensive.
> I generally plant romas and beefsteaks, and various hybrid tomatoes, I like to
> plant some cherry tomatoes too and I may plant a few heirlooms just for fun.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by a " 3 * 80 sq. feet" space. My primary veggie
> garden occupies a fenced 50' X 50' area... this is plenty of room to grow more
> than I can ever hope to use myself... in fact my neighbor and I trade the items
> the other doesn't grow, kind of a co-op deal, adn we both give lots away. Why
> not discuss the placement of your garden with your neighbor, give him some
> options, such as him having an adjoining garden, perhaps with a space between
> on the property line, enough for a lawn mower to pass through. My garden sets
> in a field right along side a small stream, the ground stays moist enough that
> I never need to water.
>
> There is no monetary saving associated with having a veggie garden, it's a
> hobby I do for personal fulfillment and so that I can have some decent
> vegetables, but it is a very expensive hobby... and a tremendous amount of hard
> physical labor.
> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
> *********
> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
> Sheldon
> ````````````
Thanks.

Yes, mine is the satisfaction of growing your own (or giving nature a
push,) and eating the most fresh produce I can grow. Makes a big
difference as you know.

Rich

--
"Dum Spiro, Spero."

As long as I breath, I hope.

Cicero (Ancient Rome)





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Let there be fish!!!

Richard Periut wrote:

> PENMART01 wrote:
>
>>> Richard Periut writes:
>>>
>>> PENMART01 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not really out of whack... but depends what is meant by "well
>>>> tended"...
>>>
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>> how much tending to one is willing to do. It's far more
>>>> advantageous to
>>>
>>>
>>> plant
>>>
>>>> a few tomato plants and not spend so much time and effort tending
>>>> to. I
>>>
>>>
>>> can
>>>
>>>> easily get 100 lbs of tomatoes from three plants and do practically no
>>>
>>>
>>> tending
>>>
>>>> to.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which varieties do you grown? Heirlooms, indeterminates, et cetera?
>>>
>>> I've had a bit of luck with pot grown stuff, but I'm thinking of
>>> dedicating the North part of my back yard to a veggie garden. I would
>>> have about 3 * 80 sq. feet. I'm going to have to sacrifice that
>>> space, which is normally grass. My neighbor I think wont like it,
>>> because there will be various plants, shrubs, et cetera, adorning the
>>> S part of his lawn (border.)
>>>
>>> Also, do you germinate the seeds yourself, or buy the small plants?
>>
>>
>>
>> I used to grow tomatoes from seed but for many years now I buy flats of
>> plants... cost ends up about the same and plants are far less labor
>> intensive. I generally plant romas and beefsteaks, and various hybrid
>> tomatoes, I like to
>> plant some cherry tomatoes too and I may plant a few heirlooms just
>> for fun.
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by a " 3 * 80 sq. feet" space. My primary
>> veggie
>> garden occupies a fenced 50' X 50' area... this is plenty of room to
>> grow more
>> than I can ever hope to use myself... in fact my neighbor and I trade
>> the items
>> the other doesn't grow, kind of a co-op deal, adn we both give lots
>> away. Why
>> not discuss the placement of your garden with your neighbor,

Hahahahahahah! My psychotic German neighbor who takes out his tractor
when two leaves have fallen. Heck! I can tell what time it is to the
minute 9:05 is when he starts the friggin tractor. Wednesdays, my only
day off now, is when I like to sleep till 11 or 12 PM--instead I have to
hear him go over the same spot 10 times.

Mr. Psychosis will have angina when he sees the veggie garden I'm
planning. Maybe I'll plant some Kraut to keep him happy : )

Rich















give him
>> some
>> options, such as him having an adjoining garden, perhaps with a space
>> between
>> on the property line, enough for a lawn mower to pass through. My
>> garden sets
>> in a field right along side a small stream, the ground stays moist
>> enough that
>> I never need to water.
>>
>> There is no monetary saving associated with having a veggie garden,
>> it's a
>> hobby I do for personal fulfillment and so that I can have some decent
>> vegetables, but it is a very expensive hobby... and a tremendous
>> amount of hard
>> physical labor.
>> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
>> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
>> *********
>> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
>> Sheldon ````````````
>
> Thanks.
>
> Yes, mine is the satisfaction of growing your own (or giving nature a
> push,) and eating the most fresh produce I can grow. Makes a big
> difference as you know.
>
> Rich
>


--
"Dum Spiro, Spero."

As long as I breath, I hope.

Cicero (Ancient Rome)





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><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸. ><((((º> ·´¯`·. , .·´¯`·.. ><((((º>

Let there be fish!!!

Richard Periut wrote:

> PENMART01 wrote:
>
>>> Richard Periut writes:
>>>
>>> PENMART01 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not really out of whack... but depends what is meant by "well
>>>> tended"...
>>>
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>> how much tending to one is willing to do. It's far more
>>>> advantageous to
>>>
>>>
>>> plant
>>>
>>>> a few tomato plants and not spend so much time and effort tending
>>>> to. I
>>>
>>>
>>> can
>>>
>>>> easily get 100 lbs of tomatoes from three plants and do practically no
>>>
>>>
>>> tending
>>>
>>>> to.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which varieties do you grown? Heirlooms, indeterminates, et cetera?
>>>
>>> I've had a bit of luck with pot grown stuff, but I'm thinking of
>>> dedicating the North part of my back yard to a veggie garden. I would
>>> have about 3 * 80 sq. feet. I'm going to have to sacrifice that
>>> space, which is normally grass. My neighbor I think wont like it,
>>> because there will be various plants, shrubs, et cetera, adorning the
>>> S part of his lawn (border.)
>>>
>>> Also, do you germinate the seeds yourself, or buy the small plants?
>>
>>
>>
>> I used to grow tomatoes from seed but for many years now I buy flats of
>> plants... cost ends up about the same and plants are far less labor
>> intensive. I generally plant romas and beefsteaks, and various hybrid
>> tomatoes, I like to
>> plant some cherry tomatoes too and I may plant a few heirlooms just
>> for fun.
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by a " 3 * 80 sq. feet" space. My primary
>> veggie
>> garden occupies a fenced 50' X 50' area... this is plenty of room to
>> grow more
>> than I can ever hope to use myself... in fact my neighbor and I trade
>> the items
>> the other doesn't grow, kind of a co-op deal, adn we both give lots
>> away. Why
>> not discuss the placement of your garden with your neighbor,

Hahahahahahah! My psychotic German neighbor who takes out his tractor
when two leaves have fallen. Heck! I can tell what time it is to the
minute 9:05 is when he starts the friggin tractor. Wednesdays, my only
day off now, is when I like to sleep till 11 or 12 PM--instead I have to
hear him go over the same spot 10 times.

Mr. Psychosis will have angina when he sees the veggie garden I'm
planning. Maybe I'll plant some Kraut to keep him happy : )

Rich















give him
>> some
>> options, such as him having an adjoining garden, perhaps with a space
>> between
>> on the property line, enough for a lawn mower to pass through. My
>> garden sets
>> in a field right along side a small stream, the ground stays moist
>> enough that
>> I never need to water.
>>
>> There is no monetary saving associated with having a veggie garden,
>> it's a
>> hobby I do for personal fulfillment and so that I can have some decent
>> vegetables, but it is a very expensive hobby... and a tremendous
>> amount of hard
>> physical labor.
>> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
>> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
>> *********
>> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
>> Sheldon ````````````
>
> Thanks.
>
> Yes, mine is the satisfaction of growing your own (or giving nature a
> push,) and eating the most fresh produce I can grow. Makes a big
> difference as you know.
>
> Rich
>


--
"Dum Spiro, Spero."

As long as I breath, I hope.

Cicero (Ancient Rome)





ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸. ><((((º> ·´¯`·. , .·´¯`·.. ><((((º>

Let there be fish!!!

> Not always true if one is honest... I've grown some veggies that turned
> out
> just awful... of course the weather has a lot to do with it, and that is
> out of
> the grower's control. Not a year has gone by I haven't had a couple of
> complete failures.... this past season everything suffered, the nights
> were too
> cool and it rained too much.
>
>
> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
> *********
> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
> Sheldon
> ````````````

This is true. I have had several failures w/some herbs: rosemary, dill,
tarragon. Yet basil and sage grow like weeds.
Maybe something in the fact that I'm an apt dweller and grow everything in
pots.

> Not always true if one is honest... I've grown some veggies that turned
> out
> just awful... of course the weather has a lot to do with it, and that is
> out of
> the grower's control. Not a year has gone by I haven't had a couple of
> complete failures.... this past season everything suffered, the nights
> were too
> cool and it rained too much.
>
>
> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
> *********
> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
> Sheldon
> ````````````

This is true. I have had several failures w/some herbs: rosemary, dill,
tarragon. Yet basil and sage grow like weeds.
Maybe something in the fact that I'm an apt dweller and grow everything in
pots.

Richard Periut wrote:

> Hahahahahahah! My psychotic German neighbor who takes out his tractor
> when two leaves have fallen. Heck! I can tell what time it is to the
> minute 9:05 is when he starts the friggin tractor. Wednesdays, my only
> day off now, is when I like to sleep till 11 or 12 PM--instead I have to
> hear him go over the same spot 10 times.

(laugh!) You live next door to me? I swear to God the guy behind me
mows the whole lawn ten times on his tractor mower. Drives me up the
friggin wall. OKAY IT'S DONE!!! Then he props his little kid and drives
him around for like another half hour. It's maddening. The noise just
starts driving into your brain. There's a song there somewhere. I'm
channeling Sonny and Cher.

nancy

Richard Periut wrote:

> Hahahahahahah! My psychotic German neighbor who takes out his tractor
> when two leaves have fallen. Heck! I can tell what time it is to the
> minute 9:05 is when he starts the friggin tractor. Wednesdays, my only
> day off now, is when I like to sleep till 11 or 12 PM--instead I have to
> hear him go over the same spot 10 times.

(laugh!) You live next door to me? I swear to God the guy behind me
mows the whole lawn ten times on his tractor mower. Drives me up the
friggin wall. OKAY IT'S DONE!!! Then he props his little kid and drives
him around for like another half hour. It's maddening. The noise just
starts driving into your brain. There's a song there somewhere. I'm
channeling Sonny and Cher.

nancy

"kilikini" > wrote in message >. ..
> "SportKite1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >From:
>
> > > The cost of having a nice tomato & lettuce salad/sandwich,has gone
> > >way up.
> >
> > Perhaps the price of having a BLT has gone up, but having a NICE tomato is
> > nonexistent. They are the worse tasting pieces of drek I've seen in
> years....at
> > ANY price.
> >
> > Ellen
> >
> >
>
> I agree, they're orange instead of red and they're always hard. Good luck
> finding vine ripened these days.
>
> kili


He he.....there are some definite advantages to my life south of the
border. Hothouse tomataoes and tomates hybridized to survive shipping
are non existant here. Everything goes from field to market - either
the groceries or the twice weekly farmer's market. On the way to work
in the morning, I see guys in pickup trucks bringing in their tomatoes
(as well as cabbages, oranges, pinapples, and peppers) to sell to the
local grocery stores. They're vine ripened, always red, never orange.
If they look really good, I make a quick call home on the cell phone
while I wait for the bus and tell the family to go early and buy.

Sandi

"kilikini" > wrote in message >. ..
> "SportKite1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >From:
>
> > > The cost of having a nice tomato & lettuce salad/sandwich,has gone
> > >way up.
> >
> > Perhaps the price of having a BLT has gone up, but having a NICE tomato is
> > nonexistent. They are the worse tasting pieces of drek I've seen in
> years....at
> > ANY price.
> >
> > Ellen
> >
> >
>
> I agree, they're orange instead of red and they're always hard. Good luck
> finding vine ripened these days.
>
> kili


He he.....there are some definite advantages to my life south of the
border. Hothouse tomataoes and tomates hybridized to survive shipping
are non existant here. Everything goes from field to market - either
the groceries or the twice weekly farmer's market. On the way to work
in the morning, I see guys in pickup trucks bringing in their tomatoes
(as well as cabbages, oranges, pinapples, and peppers) to sell to the
local grocery stores. They're vine ripened, always red, never orange.
If they look really good, I make a quick call home on the cell phone
while I wait for the bus and tell the family to go early and buy.

Sandi

"S.Dunlap" wrote:

> He he.....there are some definite advantages to my life south of the
> border. Hothouse tomataoes and tomates hybridized to survive shipping
> are non existant here. Everything goes from field to market - either
> the groceries or the twice weekly farmer's market. On the way to work
> in the morning, I see guys in pickup trucks bringing in their tomatoes
> (as well as cabbages, oranges, pinapples, and peppers) to sell to the
> local grocery stores. They're vine ripened, always red, never orange.
> If they look really good, I make a quick call home on the cell phone
> while I wait for the bus and tell the family to go early and buy.

Now, there's something I can get behind.

nancy

"S.Dunlap" wrote:

> He he.....there are some definite advantages to my life south of the
> border. Hothouse tomataoes and tomates hybridized to survive shipping
> are non existant here. Everything goes from field to market - either
> the groceries or the twice weekly farmer's market. On the way to work
> in the morning, I see guys in pickup trucks bringing in their tomatoes
> (as well as cabbages, oranges, pinapples, and peppers) to sell to the
> local grocery stores. They're vine ripened, always red, never orange.
> If they look really good, I make a quick call home on the cell phone
> while I wait for the bus and tell the family to go early and buy.

Now, there's something I can get behind.

nancy

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:10:02 GMT, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:

(SportKite1) wrote in
:
>
>>>From: Wayne Boatwright
>>
>>>No worse than your top posting!
>>
>> You never have anything postive to offer. You always piggyback on
>> other people's posts hoping that you might get some attention. Well
>> you did. You made me curse for the first time ever in public..you
>> little dweeb of a leaky freakin boatwrong!
>>
>> Ellen
>
>You're just a bitch, pure and simple, and you're dead wrong, of course. I
>have posted recipes, comments, answers to questions, etc., and you're
>criticism isn't relevant.
>
>Cursing in private won't get you any closer to heaven.

She was right about one thing: you really need to trim your replies.
Please. You quoted 87 lines to say six words, "No worse than your top
posting!"

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"Just what kind of jackassery do I have to put up with today?" Danae
in "Non Sequitur"

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"