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Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 21:54:19 -0500, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/31/2012 12:35 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:15:00 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got the freezer space. But I've never found anything I liked
>>>> that called strictly for "vegetable stock".
>>>
>>> I use it interchangeably with chicken stock and I'm usually just
>>> winging it, not following a formal recipe.
>>>

>> The only time I've ever had veggie stock in the house was for
>> colonoscopy prep. I bought every flavor of broths and stocks to
>> have a variety but the veggie broth was horrible. It could be just
>> the brand I bought but I can't see using that for anything again,
>> let alone to drink.

>
> I think I found the 'cure' for that dreadful day-- beef consomme! Make
> a giant batch. We don't tire of it.
>
> I use this one-
> http://www.food.com/recipe/beef-consomme-81043
> [he credits "On Cooking" by Labensky & Hause]
>
> Serious flavor- looks like brown burgundy.


I really don't like that stuff.


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On 1/2/2013 1:52 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> jmcquown > wrote:
>
> -snip-
>> Now I'm going to say something which might get me flamed. Since she was
>> not supposed to eat much salt I introduced her to some dried herb blends
>> that don't contain salt. In the US the popular brand at the time was a
>> brand called Mrs. Dash.
>>
>> http://www.mrsdash.com/
>>
>> [This link is provided free of charge. LOL]

>
> Now *that's* funny. I love my salt & have never needed to restrict
> it. Some recipe or other must have called for Mrs. Dash because I
> had a bottle of it in the cupboard for a while & used on occasion.
>
> I did not realize until this second that it was salt free.<G> Has
> that always been on the label? Maybe I had it before I got my
> cataract surgery.
>
> I think it's the citric acid that makes a good salt substitute-
> Original Blend Ingredients:
> Onion, spices (black pepper, parsley, celery seed, basil, bay,
> marjoram, oregano, savory, thyme, cayenne pepper, coriander, cumin,
> mustard, rosemary), garlic, carrot, orange peel, tomato, lemon juice
> powder, citric acid, oil of lemon.
>
> Jim
>

IIRC it's always been sold as a salt-free herb blend. They have lots of
different blends. I like it. I like salt, too. But I use Mrs. Dash a lot.

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On 1/2/2013 4:20 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>> I think I found the 'cure' for that dreadful day-- beef consomme! Make
>> a giant batch. We don't tire of it.
>>
>> I use this one-
>> http://www.food.com/recipe/beef-consomme-81043
>> [he credits "On Cooking" by Labensky & Hause]
>>
>> Serious flavor- looks like brown burgundy.

>
> I really don't like that stuff.
>
>

You're not going to like the stuff they make you drink when you go in
for the procedure, either.

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> On 1/2/2013 4:20 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>>> I think I found the 'cure' for that dreadful day-- beef consomme! Make
>>> a giant batch. We don't tire of it.
>>>
>>> I use this one-
>>> http://www.food.com/recipe/beef-consomme-81043
>>> [he credits "On Cooking" by Labensky & Hause]
>>>
>>> Serious flavor- looks like brown burgundy.

>>
>> I really don't like that stuff.
>>
>>

> You're not going to like the stuff they make you drink when you go in for
> the procedure, either.


Probably not.


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On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:14:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 1/2/2013 4:20 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>> >>> I think I found the 'cure' for that dreadful day-- beef consomme! Make
>> >>> a giant batch. We don't tire of it.
>> >>>
>> >>> I use this one-
>> >>>
http://www.food.com/recipe/beef-consomme-81043
>> >>> [he credits "On Cooking" by Labensky & Hause]
>> >>>
>> >>> Serious flavor- looks like brown burgundy.
>> >>
>> >> I really don't like that stuff.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > You're not going to like the stuff they make you drink when you go in for
>> > the procedure, either.

>>
>> Probably not.

>
> Definitely not; nobody does :-) But drinking all of it is essential if
>you want to get the best possible examination. So is proper fasting. If
>you give up on either then the colon won't be washed out as sparkling
>clean as it needs to be for thorough examination; and any abnormalities
>could be obscured and missed.
>
> Having said that there are different preparatory fasting regimes and
>different types of liquid prep, and it's worth asking your specialist Dr
>or nurse to advise which bests suit your circumstances.
>
> Janet UK (5 colonoscopies and counting).
>
>

Doesn't have to be liquid. When I had my colonoscopy the doctor
prescribed pills. Beat the heck out of the awful tasting liquid. The
diet was liquid but nothing red.
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On 1/2/2013 2:59 PM, Ophelia wrote:
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>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Now I'm going to say something which might get me flamed. Since she was
>> not supposed to eat much salt I introduced her to some dried herb blends
>> that don't contain salt. In the US the popular brand at the time was a
>> brand called Mrs. Dash.

>
> Why would you get flamed???? sheesh live and let live eh so long as
> somebody doesn't jump on my toes!!
>
>> http://www.mrsdash.com/
>>
>> [This link is provided free of charge. LOL]
>>

Perhaps because I didn't make you Google this yourself

>> I have a brother who tends to be rather snooty, often about food. (I
>> don't know where he got that trait. I'm the one who taught him how to
>> cook more than a grilled steak and baked potato.) He turned into a food
>> snob.

>
> lol you did your job just too well)
>

I sure did! We were roommates when this started. He'd drive me nuts
standing next to me in the kitchen watching me cook. What's that for?
Why did you add that? Next thing I knew he was watching cooking shows
on weekends on PBS (the Food Network wasn't even a blip on anyone's
radar screen back then.) Then he started reading my Cooking Light
magazines (he hates to read) and got himself a subscription to Food & Wine.

Many years later I stayed with him for a few days after he had surgery.
I finally had to ask, "Don't you ever watch anything but the Food
Network?" I'd created a monster!

>> I hadn't yet moved to South Carolina, I was just here helping out. This
>> particular brother came to visit for a few days.
>> When he saw the bottle of dried "Italian Herb Seasoning" in the kitchen,
>> he scoffed. Who bought this? *I* did.
>>
>> He knew Mom hated to cook. Did he *really* think she was going stand in
>> the kitchen chopping and combining fresh herbs to tart up jarred
>> spaghetti
>> sauce?! Good grief. (He watched entirely too much Food Network.) My
>> goal was to make things simple without her having to go to a lot of
>> effort. There was no salt in those bottled herb blends. And she *did*
>> use them, so +1

>
> Oh yes! And +1 from me too!!! That sounds perfect for someone on a
> salt free diet! Well done!
>

Thanks! I don't have salt restrictions but those sorts of blends make
life easier for me, too. (I use much less salt when I add them to
things I'm cooking.)

It's no short hop for me to get to the grocery store to find fresh
herbs. I suppose I *could* try growing herbs in pots but I manage to
kill even the hardiest of plants A gardener I'm not.

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On 1/2/2013 1:55 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:18:55 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/31/2012 5:38 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Somebody" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> What I used was low sodium.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Even worse! I have never tasted a "low sodium" product I liked. Well,
>>> except for lowER sodium soy sauce or teriyaki, but I don't use those
>>> things very often and certainly not in the quantity I'd use stock.
>>>
>>> My mom was supposed to eat a low sodium diet. Thinking he was doing a
>>> good thing, Dad bought a *case* of low-sodium chicken soup (maybe chicken
>>> noodle?). She called me up, OMG this stuff is awful! She wound up adding
>>> salt (or maybe it was that Lite Salt stuff) just so they could eat it.
>>> Sort of defeats the purpose. Needless to say, he didn't make that helpful
>>> mistake again

>>
>> Awww at least he was trying ))

>
> Some people are used to eating salt licks - it can be hard to cut back
> when that's what you're used to... everything tastes bland until your
> taste buds adjust.
>

Mom had been eating low-sodium and using salt substitutes (Morton Lite
Salt) for *years* by the time Dad bought that case of soup. So she
wasn't still used to tons of salt. Not that she completely gave up
salt, for sure. A small amount of sodium in the diet is necessary. I
believe it when she said it was just horrible tasting soup. Maybe the
low sodium soups are better now, I dunno.

If I'm using store-bought broth or stock I don't purposely buy the
low-sodium. It's easy enough to adjust the seasoning as needed when
you're cooking.

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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
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> It's no short hop for me to get to the grocery store to find fresh herbs.
> I suppose I *could* try growing herbs in pots but I manage to kill even
> the hardiest of plants A gardener I'm not.


Why bother if you can find the ways of making your food the way you like
it

I suppose if fresh herbs are a treat you will appreciate them more
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On Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:19:20 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:

> So... When you make a stock... What do you put in it? Do you usually use
>
> the same specific things? Or do you just put whatever you have? If I had
>
> used just onions, carrots and celery, would that have been enough? Yes, I
>
> know I need to add seasonings. Most of the recipes seem to call for garlic,
>
> thyme, parsley and black peppercorns. I can't have thyme either so would
>
> probably just leave that out.
>
>
>
> Thanks!


I really like Mark Bittman's vegetable stock. It's the only one whose flavor I have liked. It also doesn't call for any hard to find ingredients.

http://markbittman.com/very-flavorfu...tock-in-1-hour

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On 1/3/2013 1:15 PM, Cheryl wrote:

> Yeah, I have to get used to these, too. My sister was recently treated
> for colorectal cancer and had her entire colon removed, so with this
> family history I'm going to have more than most people. My dad lost his
> battle with esophageal cancer, so I'll have to be tested from that end,
> too. I haven't had an endoscopy yet.
>

I had both ends done at the same session.

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snip
>
> Having said that there are different preparatory fasting regimes and
>different types of liquid prep, and it's worth asking your specialist Dr
>or nurse to advise which bests suit your circumstances.
>
> Janet UK (5 colonoscopies and counting).
>
>

I did and I got response from a snippy bitch. No variations, no
special circumstances.
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> On 1/3/2013 1:15 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I have to get used to these, too. My sister was recently treated
>> for colorectal cancer and had her entire colon removed, so with this
>> family history I'm going to have more than most people. My dad lost his
>> battle with esophageal cancer, so I'll have to be tested from that end,
>> too. I haven't had an endoscopy yet.
>>

> I had both ends done at the same session.


Ooof Were you awake?

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On 1/3/2013 2:00 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>> On 1/3/2013 1:15 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I have to get used to these, too. My sister was recently treated
>>> for colorectal cancer and had her entire colon removed, so with this
>>> family history I'm going to have more than most people. My dad lost his
>>> battle with esophageal cancer, so I'll have to be tested from that end,
>>> too. I haven't had an endoscopy yet.
>>>

>> I had both ends done at the same session.

>
> Ooof Were you awake?
>

Not quite. They used what they called 'sedation' rather than
anaesthesia. It was better than having to go through two separate sessions.
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> On 1/3/2013 2:00 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>> On 1/3/2013 1:15 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I have to get used to these, too. My sister was recently treated
>>>> for colorectal cancer and had her entire colon removed, so with this
>>>> family history I'm going to have more than most people. My dad lost
>>>> his
>>>> battle with esophageal cancer, so I'll have to be tested from that end,
>>>> too. I haven't had an endoscopy yet.
>>>>
>>> I had both ends done at the same session.

>>
>> Ooof Were you awake?
>>

> Not quite. They used what they called 'sedation' rather than anaesthesia.
> It was better than having to go through two separate sessions.


Oh yes! I had 'sedation' when I had my cataract ops. Huh he was going to
do it with me awake ... no chance!

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On 1/3/2013 2:14 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>> On 1/3/2013 2:00 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>>> On 1/3/2013 1:15 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, I have to get used to these, too. My sister was recently
>>>>> treated for colorectal cancer and had her entire colon removed, so with this
>>>>> family history I'm going to have more than most people. My dad lost
>>>>> his battle with esophageal cancer, so I'll have to be tested from that
>>>>> end, too. I haven't had an endoscopy yet.
>>>>>
>>>> I had both ends done at the same session.
>>>
>>> Ooof Were you awake?
>>>

>> Not quite. They used what they called 'sedation' rather than anaesthesia.
>> It was better than having to go through two separate sessions.

>
> Oh yes! I had 'sedation' when I had my cataract ops. Huh he was
> going to do it with me awake ... no chance!
>
> I trust the outcome was successful ?


In a way - they were able to rule out a bunch of possible diagnoses.
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> On 1/3/2013 2:14 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>> On 1/3/2013 2:00 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>>>> On 1/3/2013 1:15 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, I have to get used to these, too. My sister was recently
>>>>>> treated for colorectal cancer and had her entire colon removed, so
>>>>>> with this
>>>>>> family history I'm going to have more than most people. My dad lost
>>>>>> his battle with esophageal cancer, so I'll have to be tested from
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> end, too. I haven't had an endoscopy yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I had both ends done at the same session.
>>>>
>>>> Ooof Were you awake?
>>>>
>>> Not quite. They used what they called 'sedation' rather than
>>> anaesthesia.
>>> It was better than having to go through two separate sessions.

>>
>> Oh yes! I had 'sedation' when I had my cataract ops. Huh he was
>> going to do it with me awake ... no chance!
>>
>> I trust the outcome was successful ?

>
> In a way - they were able to rule out a bunch of possible diagnoses.


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> Janet UK (5 colonoscopies and counting).


Geez! ;0
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> wrote in message
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> On Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:19:20 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> So... When you make a stock... What do you put in it? Do you usually
>> use
>>
>> the same specific things? Or do you just put whatever you have? If I
>> had
>>
>> used just onions, carrots and celery, would that have been enough? Yes,
>> I
>>
>> know I need to add seasonings. Most of the recipes seem to call for
>> garlic,
>>
>> thyme, parsley and black peppercorns. I can't have thyme either so would
>>
>> probably just leave that out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!

>
> I really like Mark Bittman's vegetable stock. It's the only one whose
> flavor I have liked. It also doesn't call for any hard to find
> ingredients.
>
> http://markbittman.com/very-flavorfu...tock-in-1-hour
>
> marcella


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> wrote:

>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:19:20 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >> So... When you make a stock... What do you put in it? Do you usually
> >> use
> >>
> >> the same specific things? Or do you just put whatever you have? If I
> >> had
> >>
> >> used just onions, carrots and celery, would that have been enough? Yes,
> >> I
> >>
> >> know I need to add seasonings. Most of the recipes seem to call for
> >> garlic,
> >>
> >> thyme, parsley and black peppercorns. I can't have thyme either so would
> >>
> >> probably just leave that out.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks!

> >
> > I really like Mark Bittman's vegetable stock. It's the only one whose
> > flavor I have liked. It also doesn't call for any hard to find
> > ingredients.
> >
> > http://markbittman.com/very-flavorfu...tock-in-1-hour
> >
> > marcella

>
> Thanks!
>

It looked good enough to try, thanks from me too Marcella.

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On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:29:37 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:14:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >
>> > Having said that there are different preparatory fasting regimes and
>> >different types of liquid prep, and it's worth asking your specialist Dr
>> >or nurse to advise which bests suit your circumstances.
>> >
>> > Janet UK (5 colonoscopies and counting).
>> >
>> >

>> I did and I got response from a snippy bitch. No variations, no
>> special circumstances.
>> Janet US

>
> Maybe she's just a know-nothing snippy bitch :-}
>
> Janet UK

I wondered that at the time. I think you are right.
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> says...
>
>> Why the special diet before a colonoscopy?

>
> It's a low fibre diet so the whole bowel is relatively empty before
> you even start flushing it out. If there are fibre fragments left
> trapped in the creases or corners of the large-colon lining, visibility
> won't be as good.
>
>
http://www.bsg.org.uk/pdf_word_docs/...%20booklet.pdf
>

Interesting. Here, there are no dietary restrictions prior to the clean-out
but I had to buy the laxative, which was a powder in the bottom of a
gallon-sized plastic bottle to which I had to add water. Then, following a
strict timetable, I had to drink a cup of it every 30 minutes the night
before and a few more in the morning prior to the 'scopy.

> I had one recently, as did 2
>> friends, and all we had to do was flush ourselves out the night before
>> and
>> in the morning with a gallon of pineapple-flavoured aperient.
>> Graham

>
> Well having a colonoscopy is not risk free; I'd sooner be as
> thoroughly cleaned out as possible.
>


I can assure you that a gallon of some sort of glycol solution will
certainly clean one out!
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:51:51 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

> Why the special diet before a colonoscopy? I had one recently, as did 2
> friends, and all we had to do was flush ourselves out the night before and
> in the morning with a gallon of pineapple-flavoured aperient.
> Graham


My husband didn't have a special diet either. Just the usual 12 hour
fast and then an internal "flush" before he went in.

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"graham" > wrote in message
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>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
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>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:29:37 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article >,
>>> says...
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:14:28 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> snip
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Having said that there are different preparatory fasting regimes
>>> >> > and
>>> >> >different types of liquid prep, and it's worth asking your
>>> >> >specialist Dr
>>> >> >or nurse to advise which bests suit your circumstances.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Janet UK (5 colonoscopies and counting).
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> I did and I got response from a snippy bitch. No variations, no
>>> >> special circumstances.
>>> >> Janet US
>>> >
>>> > Maybe she's just a know-nothing snippy bitch :-}
>>> >
>>> > Janet UK
>>> I wondered that at the time. I think you are right.
>>> Janet US

>>
>> Well, I know from my own experience, the NHS offers different preps
>> according to the patient's medical status and capacity.The same patient
>> variables must occur in the USA.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>

> Why the special diet before a colonoscopy? I had one recently, as did 2
> friends, and all we had to do was flush ourselves out the night before and
> in the morning with a gallon of pineapple-flavoured aperient.
> Graham


Generally no solid foods for 24 hours. I think the foods can only be
certain colors too.


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> On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:51:51 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
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>> Why the special diet before a colonoscopy? I had one recently, as did 2
>> friends, and all we had to do was flush ourselves out the night before
>> and
>> in the morning with a gallon of pineapple-flavoured aperient.
>> Graham

>
> My husband didn't have a special diet either. Just the usual 12 hour
> fast and then an internal "flush" before he went in.


The fast *is* the special diet!


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> > On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:51:51 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

>
> >> Why the special diet before a colonoscopy? I had one recently, as did 2
> >> friends, and all we had to do was flush ourselves out the night before
> >> and
> >> in the morning with a gallon of pineapple-flavoured aperient.
> >> Graham

>
> > My husband didn't have a special diet either. *Just the usual 12 hour
> > fast and then an internal "flush" before he went in.

>
> The fast *is* the special diet!


I could only have basic clear liquids...nothing red or orange and
nothing at all after midnight.
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On 1/4/2013 5:46 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

>> Why the special diet before a colonoscopy? I had one recently, as did 2
>> friends, and all we had to do was flush ourselves out the night before and
>> in the morning with a gallon of pineapple-flavoured aperient.
>> Graham

>
> Generally no solid foods for 24 hours. I think the foods can only be
> certain colors too.
>

I had to abstain from meat for 3 or four days, then one day with non-red
liquids only, no dairy, then flush out with that anti-freeze stuff,
followed by a laxative.


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> On 1/4/2013 5:46 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>> Why the special diet before a colonoscopy? I had one recently, as did 2
>>> friends, and all we had to do was flush ourselves out the night before
>>> and
>>> in the morning with a gallon of pineapple-flavoured aperient.
>>> Graham

>>
>> Generally no solid foods for 24 hours. I think the foods can only be
>> certain colors too.
>>

> I had to abstain from meat for 3 or four days, then one day with non-red
> liquids only, no dairy, then flush out with that anti-freeze stuff,
> followed by a laxative.


I can live without meat. Don't eat dairy. I wonder if Diet Coke contains
red? I do remember buying Jell-O for my husband and most likely red because
that's his favorite, if he has to eat Jell-O that is because nobody in this
house likes it. I do remember buying fat free broth for him. And they said
clear liquids.


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