On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:10:56 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:44:22 -0500, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/20/2013 11:33 AM, sf wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:24:53 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I do have to wonder why the obsession over the club, though. Seems
> >> >> quite an
> >> >> oddity.
> >> >
> >> > She has to pay $800 annually for it whether she uses it or not, so
> >> > she's trying to get her money's worth out of it this year and she was
> >> > simply commenting on the chef's continuing obsession with kaiser
> >> > rolls, coupled with her inability to digest the seeds on them. He
> >> > seems pretty clueless for someone whose customers are mainly retirees.
> >> >
> >> Thanks, sf, and that's exactly my point. Given everyone I know here is
> >> over 65 (and some are into their 80's) there doesn't seem to be much in
> >> the way of options for sandwich breads. Maybe he serves them pablum or
> >> cream of wheat and they just don't send email about it being a lunch
> >> special. Heh.
> >>
> > Does your home owners association have a private google group? I'm
> > wondering if you could bring up the topic there. If other people
> > agree that he needs to start accommodating special diets, there's
> > strength in numbers!
> >
>
> Well, the homeowner's association certainly has meetings, and a board. You
> don't have to be electronic about this.
>
If you've ever bothered to read Jill's posts, you'd already know about
the "board". It's an old boys club that doesn't really care what the
riff raff think about anything.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 1/20/2013 11:58 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:44:22 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/20/2013 11:33 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:24:53 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do have to wonder why the obsession over the club, though. Seems quite an
>>>> oddity.
>>>
>>> She has to pay $800 annually for it whether she uses it or not, so
>>> she's trying to get her money's worth out of it this year and she was
>>> simply commenting on the chef's continuing obsession with kaiser
>>> rolls, coupled with her inability to digest the seeds on them. He
>>> seems pretty clueless for someone whose customers are mainly retirees.
>>>
>> Thanks, sf, and that's exactly my point. Given everyone I know here is
>> over 65 (and some are into their 80's) there doesn't seem to be much in
>> the way of options for sandwich breads. Maybe he serves them pablum or
>> cream of wheat and they just don't send email about it being a lunch
>> special. Heh.
>>
> Does your home owners association have a private google group? I'm
> wondering if you could bring up the topic there. If other people
> agree that he needs to start accommodating special diets, there's
> strength in numbers!
>
>
I have no idea. It never occurred to me to look. But the DIOA isn't
your stereotypical homeowners association. Apparently there have been
many lawsuits over the years, on both sides. No one seems to have ever won.

Jill

On 1/20/2013 12:10 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/20/2013 10:18 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>> I'll watch the ratio of your posts and decide if you re the first kill
>>>>> file
>>>>> for the year.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Oooooh, the killfile.... I'm ascared!
>>>
>>> rofl
>>>
>>> My post was about pulled pork and
>>>> just about any sandwich being served on Kaiser rolls. Sure, there was
>>>> some thread drift. (Maybe you've heard of it.)
>>>>
>>>> Go ahead, kf me. Then please, do try to restrain yourself if someone
>>>> else
>>>> replies to what I post about this or anything else.
>>>
>>> Oh I just love the threats about the kf thing))) Better start shaking
>>> in
>>> your shoes Jill ...
>>>
>>
>> Can't you tell I'm terribly concerned about it?
>>
>> OB Food: Breakfast was 2 eggs cooked over-medium with a slice of buttered
>> wheat toast. I haven't decided on dinner yet. There are lots of things
>> to choose from...
>>
>> Jill
>
> Have you considered a fried egg sandwich on a Kaiser roll?
>
>
ROFL!!!! Okay, I'll give you that one

Jill

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:10:56 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:44:22 -0500, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 1/20/2013 11:33 AM, sf wrote:
>> >> > On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:24:53 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I do have to wonder why the obsession over the club, though. Seems
>> >> >> quite an
>> >> >> oddity.
>> >> >
>> >> > She has to pay $800 annually for it whether she uses it or not, so
>> >> > she's trying to get her money's worth out of it this year and she
>> >> > was
>> >> > simply commenting on the chef's continuing obsession with kaiser
>> >> > rolls, coupled with her inability to digest the seeds on them. He
>> >> > seems pretty clueless for someone whose customers are mainly
>> >> > retirees.
>> >> >
>> >> Thanks, sf, and that's exactly my point. Given everyone I know here
>> >> is
>> >> over 65 (and some are into their 80's) there doesn't seem to be much
>> >> in
>> >> the way of options for sandwich breads. Maybe he serves them pablum
>> >> or
>> >> cream of wheat and they just don't send email about it being a lunch
>> >> special. Heh.
>> >>
>> > Does your home owners association have a private google group? I'm
>> > wondering if you could bring up the topic there. If other people
>> > agree that he needs to start accommodating special diets, there's
>> > strength in numbers!
>> >
>>
>> Well, the homeowner's association certainly has meetings, and a board.
>> You
>> don't have to be electronic about this.
>>
> If you've ever bothered to read Jill's posts, you'd already know about
> the "board". It's an old boys club that doesn't really care what the
> riff raff think about anything.
>


yes, I recall that. But I wonder what the reality is.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/20/2013 12:10 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 1/20/2013 10:18 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>> I'll watch the ratio of your posts and decide if you re the first
>>>>>> kill
>>>>>> file
>>>>>> for the year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oooooh, the killfile.... I'm ascared!
>>>>
>>>> rofl
>>>>
>>>> My post was about pulled pork and
>>>>> just about any sandwich being served on Kaiser rolls. Sure, there was
>>>>> some thread drift. (Maybe you've heard of it.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Go ahead, kf me. Then please, do try to restrain yourself if someone
>>>>> else
>>>>> replies to what I post about this or anything else.
>>>>
>>>> Oh I just love the threats about the kf thing))) Better start shaking
>>>> in
>>>> your shoes Jill ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can't you tell I'm terribly concerned about it?
>>>
>>> OB Food: Breakfast was 2 eggs cooked over-medium with a slice of
>>> buttered
>>> wheat toast. I haven't decided on dinner yet. There are lots of things
>>> to choose from...
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Have you considered a fried egg sandwich on a Kaiser roll?
>>
>>
> ROFL!!!! Okay, I'll give you that one

Ok what's the deal with 'Kaiser Rolls'? I had to look them up but they
don't seem to be anything special.
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http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

On 1/20/2013 12:10 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:44:22 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/20/2013 11:33 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:24:53 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do have to wonder why the obsession over the club, though. Seems
>>>>> quite an
>>>>> oddity.
>>>>
>>>> She has to pay $800 annually for it whether she uses it or not, so
>>>> she's trying to get her money's worth out of it this year and she was
>>>> simply commenting on the chef's continuing obsession with kaiser
>>>> rolls, coupled with her inability to digest the seeds on them. He
>>>> seems pretty clueless for someone whose customers are mainly retirees.
>>>>
>>> Thanks, sf, and that's exactly my point. Given everyone I know here is
>>> over 65 (and some are into their 80's) there doesn't seem to be much in
>>> the way of options for sandwich breads. Maybe he serves them pablum or
>>> cream of wheat and they just don't send email about it being a lunch
>>> special. Heh.
>>>
>> Does your home owners association have a private google group? I'm
>> wondering if you could bring up the topic there. If other people
>> agree that he needs to start accommodating special diets, there's
>> strength in numbers!
>>
>
> Well, the homeowner's association certainly has meetings, and a board. You
> don't have to be electronic about this.
>
>
Yeah, yeah. I met with the board. My next door neighbor went with me
to provide moral support. She also chimed up and said, "Jill didn't buy
this house so she didn't have a real estate agent to outline the terms
of living here." That was nice of her.

I very politely laid out my reasons for objecting to the membership
requirement. I showed them paperwork that my parents hadn't been
members since 2001. I made a case for a grandfather clause and
requested a waiver. They took it under advisement. Then they sent me
(snail mail) a very polite letter declining my waiver.

So yes, I've done a few things to try to change the situation.

Hope you don't mind if I post if the chef suddenly switches from kaiser
rolls to "pretzel rolls". LOL

Jill

Jill

On 1/20/2013 12:49 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
>>> Well, the homeowner's association certainly has meetings, and a board.
>>> >>You
>>> >>don't have to be electronic about this.
>>> >>
>> >If you've ever bothered to read Jill's posts, you'd already know about
>> >the "board". It's an old boys club that doesn't really care what the
>> >riff raff think about anything.
>> >
>
> yes, I recall that. But I wonder what the reality is.
>
>
The "reality" is exactly as I described it.

Jill

On 1/20/2013 12:54 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/20/2013 12:10 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 1/20/2013 10:18 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll watch the ratio of your posts and decide if you re the first
>>>>>>> kill
>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>> for the year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oooooh, the killfile.... I'm ascared!
>>>>>
>>>>> rofl
>>>>>
>>>>> My post was about pulled pork and
>>>>>> just about any sandwich being served on Kaiser rolls. Sure, there
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> some thread drift. (Maybe you've heard of it.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go ahead, kf me. Then please, do try to restrain yourself if someone
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> replies to what I post about this or anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh I just love the threats about the kf thing))) Better start
>>>>> shaking
>>>>> in
>>>>> your shoes Jill ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can't you tell I'm terribly concerned about it?
>>>>
>>>> OB Food: Breakfast was 2 eggs cooked over-medium with a slice of
>>>> buttered
>>>> wheat toast. I haven't decided on dinner yet. There are lots of
>>>> things
>>>> to choose from...
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Have you considered a fried egg sandwich on a Kaiser roll?
>>>
>>>
>> ROFL!!!! Okay, I'll give you that one
>
> Ok what's the deal with 'Kaiser Rolls'? I had to look them up but they
> don't seem to be anything special.

I wish I knew, Ophelia.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/20/2013 12:54 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 1/20/2013 12:10 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 1/20/2013 10:18 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll watch the ratio of your posts and decide if you re the first
>>>>>>>> kill
>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>> for the year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oooooh, the killfile.... I'm ascared!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> rofl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My post was about pulled pork and
>>>>>>> just about any sandwich being served on Kaiser rolls. Sure, there
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> some thread drift. (Maybe you've heard of it.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Go ahead, kf me. Then please, do try to restrain yourself if
>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> replies to what I post about this or anything else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh I just love the threats about the kf thing))) Better start
>>>>>> shaking
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> your shoes Jill ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't you tell I'm terribly concerned about it?
>>>>>
>>>>> OB Food: Breakfast was 2 eggs cooked over-medium with a slice of
>>>>> buttered
>>>>> wheat toast. I haven't decided on dinner yet. There are lots of
>>>>> things
>>>>> to choose from...
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> Have you considered a fried egg sandwich on a Kaiser roll?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ROFL!!!! Okay, I'll give you that one
>>
>> Ok what's the deal with 'Kaiser Rolls'? I had to look them up but they
>> don't seem to be anything special.
>
> I wish I knew, Ophelia.

lol ok
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/20/2013 11:58 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:44:22 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/20/2013 11:33 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:24:53 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do have to wonder why the obsession over the club, though. Seems
>>>>> quite an
>>>>> oddity.
>>>>
>>>> She has to pay $800 annually for it whether she uses it or not, so
>>>> she's trying to get her money's worth out of it this year and she was
>>>> simply commenting on the chef's continuing obsession with kaiser
>>>> rolls, coupled with her inability to digest the seeds on them. He
>>>> seems pretty clueless for someone whose customers are mainly retirees.
>>>>
>>> Thanks, sf, and that's exactly my point. Given everyone I know here is
>>> over 65 (and some are into their 80's) there doesn't seem to be much in
>>> the way of options for sandwich breads. Maybe he serves them pablum or
>>> cream of wheat and they just don't send email about it being a lunch
>>> special. Heh.
>>>
>> Does your home owners association have a private google group? I'm
>> wondering if you could bring up the topic there. If other people
>> agree that he needs to start accommodating special diets, there's
>> strength in numbers!
>>
>>
> I have no idea. It never occurred to me to look. But the DIOA isn't
> your stereotypical homeowners association. Apparently there have been
> many lawsuits over the years, on both sides. No one seems to have ever
> won.
>
> Jill


One side certainly won this one.

Federal judge dismisses drawn-out Dataw lawsuit
From staff reports


Published Thursday, October 28, 2010
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A federal judge dismissed an antitrust lawsuit filed three years ago against
Dataw Island's club and owners association.

U.S. District Court Judge C. Weston Houck ruled Sept. 30 to dismiss the
suit, which alleged breaches of fiduciary duties, antitrust violations and
other misconduct by two Dataw Island boards and some of their members,
according to court records. The suit was filed in 2007 by former Dataw
Island residents Robert Brandriff and Rick Davenport against the Dataw
Island Club and Dataw Island Owners Association.

"We are obviously very pleased with the federal ruling made by Judge Houck,"
Ted Bartlett, general manager and chief operating officer of Dataw Island
Club, said in a news release Thursday. "We are encouraged to get this matter
behind us and to move forward to the benefit of the entire Dataw Island
community."

The former residents can appeal the decision in a state court but have not
done so yet, the release said.

The club and owners association are now seeking attorney fees, which were
more than $1.3 million, and other costs of more than $100,000 from the
former residents, according to court filings.

"This has been a hotly contested litigated lawsuit, involving claims with
little substance but an extremely high amount in controversy," reads the
motion for sanctions against the former residents. The motion says there was
"no legal basis for their antitrust claims."

Brandriff and Davenport had sought class-action status for their suit. In
it, the plaintiffs alleged, among other things, that club policies -- such
as imposing assessments on owners association members to be used for the
club -- benefited its members at the expense of property owners. It also
claimed a violation of antitrust laws because club membership and
assessments were a condition of property ownership, according to court
records.

Dataw Island is an 870-acre gated community on St. Helena Island.


Read more he
http://www.islandpacket.com/2010/10/...#storylink=cpy

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:07:39 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 1/20/2013 11:58 AM, sf wrote:
> >> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:44:22 -0500, jmcquown >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 1/20/2013 11:33 AM, sf wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:24:53 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I do have to wonder why the obsession over the club, though. Seems
> >>>>> quite an
> >>>>> oddity.
> >>>>
> >>>> She has to pay $800 annually for it whether she uses it or not, so
> >>>> she's trying to get her money's worth out of it this year and she was
> >>>> simply commenting on the chef's continuing obsession with kaiser
> >>>> rolls, coupled with her inability to digest the seeds on them. He
> >>>> seems pretty clueless for someone whose customers are mainly retirees.
> >>>>
> >>> Thanks, sf, and that's exactly my point. Given everyone I know here is
> >>> over 65 (and some are into their 80's) there doesn't seem to be much in
> >>> the way of options for sandwich breads. Maybe he serves them pablum or
> >>> cream of wheat and they just don't send email about it being a lunch
> >>> special. Heh.
> >>>
> >> Does your home owners association have a private google group? I'm
> >> wondering if you could bring up the topic there. If other people
> >> agree that he needs to start accommodating special diets, there's
> >> strength in numbers!
> >>
> >>
> > I have no idea. It never occurred to me to look. But the DIOA isn't
> > your stereotypical homeowners association. Apparently there have been
> > many lawsuits over the years, on both sides. No one seems to have ever
> > won.
> >
> > Jill
>
>
> One side certainly won this one.
>
> Federal judge dismisses drawn-out Dataw lawsuit
> From staff reports
>
>
> Published Thursday, October 28, 2010
> 0 Comments
> Email Article | Print Article | Feeds | | Search the Archive |
> Order Reprint
>
> A federal judge dismissed an antitrust lawsuit filed three years ago against
> Dataw Island's club and owners association.
>
> U.S. District Court Judge C. Weston Houck ruled Sept. 30 to dismiss the
> suit, which alleged breaches of fiduciary duties, antitrust violations and
> other misconduct by two Dataw Island boards and some of their members,
> according to court records. The suit was filed in 2007 by former Dataw
> Island residents Robert Brandriff and Rick Davenport against the Dataw
> Island Club and Dataw Island Owners Association.
>
> "We are obviously very pleased with the federal ruling made by Judge Houck,"
> Ted Bartlett, general manager and chief operating officer of Dataw Island
> Club, said in a news release Thursday. "We are encouraged to get this matter
> behind us and to move forward to the benefit of the entire Dataw Island
> community."
>
> The former residents can appeal the decision in a state court but have not
> done so yet, the release said.
>
> The club and owners association are now seeking attorney fees, which were
> more than $1.3 million, and other costs of more than $100,000 from the
> former residents, according to court filings.
>
> "This has been a hotly contested litigated lawsuit, involving claims with
> little substance but an extremely high amount in controversy," reads the
> motion for sanctions against the former residents. The motion says there was
> "no legal basis for their antitrust claims."
>
> Brandriff and Davenport had sought class-action status for their suit. In
> it, the plaintiffs alleged, among other things, that club policies -- such
> as imposing assessments on owners association members to be used for the
> club -- benefited its members at the expense of property owners. It also
> claimed a violation of antitrust laws because club membership and
> assessments were a condition of property ownership, according to court
> records.
>
> Dataw Island is an 870-acre gated community on St. Helena Island.
>
>
> Read more he
> http://www.islandpacket.com/2010/10/...#storylink=cpy
>

Why did you attach an image? That's a big no-no here. I thought
something was wrong with my computer for a moment because my photo
editor opened automatically every time I tried to open your post.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
>>
>
> Why did you attach an image? That's a big no-no here. I thought
> something was wrong with my computer for a moment because my photo
> editor opened automatically every time I tried to open your post.
>

I didn't know that I did, and I have no such image appearing for me. Oh
well . . .

On 2013-01-19 17:13:29 +0000, sf said:

> On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:38:34 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> I'll manage to find things throughout the year that I can order "to go"
>> and stock my freezer. I simply don't understand this chef's fascination
>> with kaiser rolls...
>
> He's uncreative and needs a kick in the pants, which he's obviously
> not going to get because it sounds like everyone other than you likes
> it just the way it is now.

They're compelled to provide money to the place whether they eat there
or not. You'd think they would voice their viewpoint. But at a certain
point, particularly in "retirement communities" predictably bad is okay
because it's predictable.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:40:56 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >
> > Why did you attach an image? That's a big no-no here. I thought
> > something was wrong with my computer for a moment because my photo
> > editor opened automatically every time I tried to open your post.
> >
>
> I didn't know that I did, and I have no such image appearing for me. Oh
> well . . .
>
and you have no indication anywhere that there's an attachment?

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"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>
>>
>> Why did you attach an image? That's a big no-no here. I thought
>> something was wrong with my computer for a moment because my photo
>> editor opened automatically every time I tried to open your post.
>>
>
> I didn't know that I did, and I have no such image appearing for me. Oh
> well . . .

To be fair, on my system, no image opens unless I tell it too. You might
want to check
your settings sf.

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On 1/20/2013 10:49 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message

>>>
>> If you've ever bothered to read Jill's posts, you'd already know about
>> the "board". It's an old boys club that doesn't really care what the
>> riff raff think about anything.
>>
>
>
> yes, I recall that. But I wonder what the reality is.
>
>


If it is like most places, serving on the HOA board is a PITA unless you
enjoy feeling powerful without much power. Yes, they are old boy
networks because few people want the hassle of making and enforcing
rules that they have little power to enforce. Newcomers run for the
board intent on making sweeping changes, just like local municipal
elections. When they actually vote they find most of the changes they
want are against covenants or the law or so unpopular the community
makes their life miserable.

gloria p

On 1/20/2013 1:07 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/20/2013 11:58 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:44:22 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/20/2013 11:33 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:24:53 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do have to wonder why the obsession over the club, though. Seems
>>>>>> quite an
>>>>>> oddity.
>>>>>
>>>>> She has to pay $800 annually for it whether she uses it or not, so
>>>>> she's trying to get her money's worth out of it this year and she was
>>>>> simply commenting on the chef's continuing obsession with kaiser
>>>>> rolls, coupled with her inability to digest the seeds on them. He
>>>>> seems pretty clueless for someone whose customers are mainly retirees.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks, sf, and that's exactly my point. Given everyone I know here is
>>>> over 65 (and some are into their 80's) there doesn't seem to be much in
>>>> the way of options for sandwich breads. Maybe he serves them pablum or
>>>> cream of wheat and they just don't send email about it being a lunch
>>>> special. Heh.
>>>>
>>> Does your home owners association have a private google group? I'm
>>> wondering if you could bring up the topic there. If other people
>>> agree that he needs to start accommodating special diets, there's
>>> strength in numbers!
>>>
>>>
>> I have no idea. It never occurred to me to look. But the DIOA isn't
>> your stereotypical homeowners association. Apparently there have been
>> many lawsuits over the years, on both sides. No one seems to have ever
>> won.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> One side certainly won this one.
>
> Federal judge dismisses drawn-out Dataw lawsuit
> From staff reports
>
>
> Published Thursday, October 28, 2010
> 0 Comments
> Email Article | Print Article | Feeds | | Search the Archive |
> Order Reprint
>
> A federal judge dismissed an antitrust lawsuit filed three years ago against
> Dataw Island's club and owners association.
>
> U.S. District Court Judge C. Weston Houck ruled Sept. 30 to dismiss the
> suit, which alleged breaches of fiduciary duties, antitrust violations and
> other misconduct by two Dataw Island boards and some of their members,
> according to court records. The suit was filed in 2007 by former Dataw
> Island residents Robert Brandriff and Rick Davenport against the Dataw
> Island Club and Dataw Island Owners Association.
>
> "We are obviously very pleased with the federal ruling made by Judge Houck,"
> Ted Bartlett, general manager and chief operating officer of Dataw Island
> Club, said in a news release Thursday. "We are encouraged to get this matter
> behind us and to move forward to the benefit of the entire Dataw Island
> community."
>
> The former residents can appeal the decision in a state court but have not
> done so yet, the release said.
>
> The club and owners association are now seeking attorney fees, which were
> more than $1.3 million, and other costs of more than $100,000 from the
> former residents, according to court filings.
>
> "This has been a hotly contested litigated lawsuit, involving claims with
> little substance but an extremely high amount in controversy," reads the
> motion for sanctions against the former residents. The motion says there was
> "no legal basis for their antitrust claims."
>
> Brandriff and Davenport had sought class-action status for their suit. In
> it, the plaintiffs alleged, among other things, that club policies -- such
> as imposing assessments on owners association members to be used for the
> club -- benefited its members at the expense of property owners. It also
> claimed a violation of antitrust laws because club membership and
> assessments were a condition of property ownership, according to court
> records.
>
> Dataw Island is an 870-acre gated community on St. Helena Island.
>
>
> Read more he
> http://www.islandpacket.com/2010/10/...#storylink=cpy
>
>
Proves my point. No one who has gone up against the DIOA has *ever*
won. Dismissal of a suit filed against them basically means Dataw won.
They dragged it out in court for years, with a fat wallet and a
battery of lawyers. More evidence of greed in action.

Jill

On 1/20/2013 5:40 PM, Susan wrote:
> On 1/20/2013 12:28 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> You make it sound easy. Want to buy a house? Three bedrooms, 2 baths,
>> 1700 sq. feet. But don't forget, you also have to join the club. That's
>> $7200. And they raised the monthly dues for 2013 from $285 to
>> $304/month. That's on top of the $830 a year for dining. Oh, and
>> $1900/yr. for them to maintain the property. *Their* property, not
>> yours. You still have to mow your own lawn or pay someone to do it.
>
> I have a house, and without a HOA, it costs me at least that much to
> maintain it.

You're kidding me. You must have a house that is completely falling
down around your ears.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/20/2013 1:07 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 1/20/2013 11:58 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:44:22 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/20/2013 11:33 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:24:53 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do have to wonder why the obsession over the club, though. Seems
>>>>>>> quite an
>>>>>>> oddity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She has to pay $800 annually for it whether she uses it or not, so
>>>>>> she's trying to get her money's worth out of it this year and she was
>>>>>> simply commenting on the chef's continuing obsession with kaiser
>>>>>> rolls, coupled with her inability to digest the seeds on them. He
>>>>>> seems pretty clueless for someone whose customers are mainly
>>>>>> retirees.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, sf, and that's exactly my point. Given everyone I know here
>>>>> is
>>>>> over 65 (and some are into their 80's) there doesn't seem to be much
>>>>> in
>>>>> the way of options for sandwich breads. Maybe he serves them pablum
>>>>> or
>>>>> cream of wheat and they just don't send email about it being a lunch
>>>>> special. Heh.
>>>>>
>>>> Does your home owners association have a private google group? I'm
>>>> wondering if you could bring up the topic there. If other people
>>>> agree that he needs to start accommodating special diets, there's
>>>> strength in numbers!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I have no idea. It never occurred to me to look. But the DIOA isn't
>>> your stereotypical homeowners association. Apparently there have been
>>> many lawsuits over the years, on both sides. No one seems to have ever
>>> won.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> One side certainly won this one.
>>
>> Federal judge dismisses drawn-out Dataw lawsuit
>> From staff reports
>>
>>
>> Published Thursday, October 28, 2010
>> 0 Comments
>> Email Article | Print Article | Feeds | | Search the Archive
>> |
>> Order Reprint
>>
>> A federal judge dismissed an antitrust lawsuit filed three years ago
>> against
>> Dataw Island's club and owners association.
>>
>> U.S. District Court Judge C. Weston Houck ruled Sept. 30 to dismiss the
>> suit, which alleged breaches of fiduciary duties, antitrust violations
>> and
>> other misconduct by two Dataw Island boards and some of their members,
>> according to court records. The suit was filed in 2007 by former Dataw
>> Island residents Robert Brandriff and Rick Davenport against the Dataw
>> Island Club and Dataw Island Owners Association.
>>
>> "We are obviously very pleased with the federal ruling made by Judge
>> Houck,"
>> Ted Bartlett, general manager and chief operating officer of Dataw Island
>> Club, said in a news release Thursday. "We are encouraged to get this
>> matter
>> behind us and to move forward to the benefit of the entire Dataw Island
>> community."
>>
>> The former residents can appeal the decision in a state court but have
>> not
>> done so yet, the release said.
>>
>> The club and owners association are now seeking attorney fees, which were
>> more than $1.3 million, and other costs of more than $100,000 from the
>> former residents, according to court filings.
>>
>> "This has been a hotly contested litigated lawsuit, involving claims with
>> little substance but an extremely high amount in controversy," reads the
>> motion for sanctions against the former residents. The motion says there
>> was
>> "no legal basis for their antitrust claims."
>>
>> Brandriff and Davenport had sought class-action status for their suit. In
>> it, the plaintiffs alleged, among other things, that club policies --
>> such
>> as imposing assessments on owners association members to be used for the
>> club -- benefited its members at the expense of property owners. It also
>> claimed a violation of antitrust laws because club membership and
>> assessments were a condition of property ownership, according to court
>> records.
>>
>> Dataw Island is an 870-acre gated community on St. Helena Island.
>>
>>
>> Read more he
>> http://www.islandpacket.com/2010/10/...#storylink=cpy
>>
>>
> Proves my point. No one who has gone up against the DIOA has *ever* won.
> Dismissal of a suit filed against them basically means Dataw won. They
> dragged it out in court for years, with a fat wallet and a battery of
> lawyers. More evidence of greed in action.
>
> Jill

Proves your point - not! You are a crackpot. Most people who win in court
have, well WON!

What you are describing and complaining about is very common. Move on or
move out.

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:41:49 PM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
> >
>
>
> They're compelled to provide money to the place whether they eat there
>
> or not. You'd think they would voice their viewpoint. But at a certain
>
> point, particularly in "retirement communities" predictably bad is okay
>
> because it's predictable.

I bet if enough residents banded together, they could vote to disband the dining room and all the rest of the frills, and do away with that assessment. Evidently, enough residents are satisfied with the arrangement.

(Remind me never to buy in an HOA type setting.)

On 2013-01-21 00:17:47 +0000, Kalmia said:

> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:41:49 PM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>> They're compelled to provide money to the place whether they eat there
>> or not. You'd think they would voice their viewpoint. But at a certain
>> point, particularly in "retirement communities" predictably bad is okay
>> because it's predictable.
>
> I bet if enough residents banded together, they could vote to disband
> the dining room and all the rest of the frills, and do away with that
> assessment.

Before the get to that point though, they might encounter the "oh well"
reaction. I note that as I advance in years the "oh well" response and
the "why bother" response come up more and more frequently.

> Evidently, enough residents are satisfied with the arrangement.

Silence, as has long been typified by the American political situation,
daytime TV and all manner of other things, does not necessarily imply
satisfaction.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:35:59 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 1/20/2013 5:40 PM, Susan wrote:
>> On 1/20/2013 12:28 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> You make it sound easy. Want to buy a house? Three bedrooms, 2 baths,
>>> 1700 sq. feet. But don't forget, you also have to join the club. That's
>>> $7200. And they raised the monthly dues for 2013 from $285 to
>>> $304/month. That's on top of the $830 a year for dining. Oh, and
>>> $1900/yr. for them to maintain the property. *Their* property, not
>>> yours. You still have to mow your own lawn or pay someone to do it.
>>
>> I have a house, and without a HOA, it costs me at least that much to
>> maintain it.
>
>You're kidding me. You must have a house that is completely falling
>down around your ears.
>
>Jill

I pay taxes, utilities, and insurance that exceeds that... and I still
have lots of costs for maintenence and repairs. I have no benefit of
a club where I can hang out and I have to do all the cooking unless I
go out to eat and then that can easily cost more than eating at your
club. There's really no way to compare living expenses without an in
depth study. I probably pay more to mow my lawn once than you pay
someone for a whole year... my two tractors cost well over $80,000 and
I pay over $1,000 each year just for normal servicing, not to mention
that I'm taxed a good deal for my barn to store my tractors... I pay
insurance on the barn and tractors too, and then there's that not so
minor cost of diesel fuel, runs about $4.50/gal now and I use 15
gallons every week during the 7 month mowing season... and I have to
do all the mowing. I'd be very happy to sit on my butt and stuff my
gut at your club if someone would mow my lawn. I'd say you're living
pretty good, a big well appointed domicile in a prime location... too
good in fact, that's too much house for one person... and it's just
you supporting it all... were it me I'd have a housemate to share
expenses. Your problem is that you insist on doing it all and all by
yourself, has nothing to do with The Club. You can't have it both
ways unless you're independantly wealthy and obviously you're not.

"gtr" > wrote in message news:201301201705596161-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2013-01-21 00:17:47 +0000, Kalmia said:
>
>> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:41:49 PM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They're compelled to provide money to the place whether they eat there
>>> or not. You'd think they would voice their viewpoint. But at a certain
>>> point, particularly in "retirement communities" predictably bad is okay
>>> because it's predictable.
>>
>> I bet if enough residents banded together, they could vote to disband the
>> dining room and all the rest of the frills, and do away with that
>> assessment.
>
> Before the get to that point though, they might encounter the "oh well"
> reaction. I note that as I advance in years the "oh well" response and the
> "why bother" response come up more and more frequently.
>
>> Evidently, enough residents are satisfied with the arrangement.
>
> Silence, as has long been typified by the American political situation,
> daytime TV and all manner of other things, does not necessarily imply
> satisfaction.
>


nor agreement.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:40:48 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>>
> >>
> >> Why did you attach an image? That's a big no-no here. I thought
> >> something was wrong with my computer for a moment because my photo
> >> editor opened automatically every time I tried to open your post.
> >>
> >
> > I didn't know that I did, and I have no such image appearing for me. Oh
> > well . . .
>
> To be fair, on my system, no image opens unless I tell it too. You might
> want to check
> your settings sf.
>
> --
That's usually the case for me too, Ophelia... which is why my first
reaction was that I'd somehow picked up some malware.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:57:23 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

> Proves your point - not! You are a crackpot. Most people who win in court
> have, well WON!

She's right. There was no judgment against them, so they certainly
didn't lose.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:05:59 -0800, gtr > wrote:

> Before the get to that point though, they might encounter the "oh well"
> reaction. I note that as I advance in years the "oh well" response and
> the "why bother" response come up more and more frequently.

At least part of it has to do with the reality of living on a
retirement income.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:57:23 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> > wrote:
>
>> Proves your point - not! You are a crackpot. Most people who win in
>> court
>> have, well WON!
>
> She's right. There was no judgment against them, so they certainly
> didn't lose.
>

They filed suit, and lost. By not winning, they lost. Duh.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:53:56 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:57:23 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Proves your point - not! You are a crackpot. Most people who win in
> >> court
> >> have, well WON!
> >
> > She's right. There was no judgment against them, so they certainly
> > didn't lose.
> >
>
> They filed suit, and lost. By not winning, they lost. Duh.
>
I was talking about the HOA board, not the plaintiffs. So was Jill.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:40:48 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "sf" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Why did you attach an image? That's a big no-no here. I thought
>> >> something was wrong with my computer for a moment because my photo
>> >> editor opened automatically every time I tried to open your post.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I didn't know that I did, and I have no such image appearing for me.
>> > Oh
>> > well . . .
>>
>> To be fair, on my system, no image opens unless I tell it too. You
>> might
>> want to check
>> your settings sf.
>>
>> --
> That's usually the case for me too, Ophelia... which is why my first
> reaction was that I'd somehow picked up some malware.

Oh dear Hope you get it fixed.
--
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:53:56 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:57:23 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Proves your point - not! You are a crackpot. Most people who win in
>> >> court
>> >> have, well WON!
>> >
>> > She's right. There was no judgment against them, so they certainly
>> > didn't lose.
>> >
>>
>> They filed suit, and lost. By not winning, they lost. Duh.
>>
> I was talking about the HOA board, not the plaintiffs. So was Jill.
>

ok, by not loosing, they won. duh.

On 1/20/2013 8:39 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "gtr" > wrote in message news:201301201705596161-xxx@yyyzzz...
>> On 2013-01-21 00:17:47 +0000, Kalmia said:
>>
>>> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:41:49 PM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They're compelled to provide money to the place whether they eat there
>>>> or not. You'd think they would voice their viewpoint. But at a certain
>>>> point, particularly in "retirement communities" predictably bad is okay
>>>> because it's predictable.
>>>
>>> I bet if enough residents banded together, they could vote to disband the
>>> dining room and all the rest of the frills, and do away with that
>>> assessment.
>>
>> Before the get to that point though, they might encounter the "oh well"
>> reaction. I note that as I advance in years the "oh well" response and the
>> "why bother" response come up more and more frequently.
>>
>>> Evidently, enough residents are satisfied with the arrangement.
>>
>> Silence, as has long been typified by the American political situation,
>> daytime TV and all manner of other things, does not necessarily imply
>> satisfaction.
>>
>
> nor agreement.
>
>
Except I've stated I have *not* been "silent" about it. I protested
being forced to join the club when I knew my parents' hadn't been
members since 2001. I even met with an attorney who just shook his head
and said I couldn't win a lawsuit against them. So I took my case
directly to the president of the DIOA and the chairman of the membership
board. I provided them with all sorts of documentation and information.
The full board discussed my request and declined to issue a membership
waiver.

The thing about this place is a lot of the residents are seasonal.
(Read: they have money.) I'm well acquainted with two couples who own
homes on my street who are only here for a two or three months out of
the year. Then they had back to their other homes up north. IMHO,
anyone who can afford to own, furnish and maintain two houses isn't
concerned about something like club dues and dining assessments. More
power to them!

Early last year the DIOA proposed renovations to the clubhouse. This
included enlarging the Pub Room and expanding the outdoor patio area for
dining. For something this big the residents *do* get to vote on it.
(Naturally I voted no.) Club expansion passed with a majority. I asked
one of the seasonal neighbors about it and he was all for it. He said,
"This is a resort, after all." I'm sure I gave him a strange look. A
resort, really? Perhaps if I was only here a couple of months out of
the year I'd think of it like that, too. <shrug>

Meanwhile, for three months last year everyone's monthly dues went up by
$250/month so the DIOA could pay for the renovations.

Jill

On 1/21/2013 8:18 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:53:56 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:57:23 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Proves your point - not! You are a crackpot. Most people who win in
>>>>> court
>>>>> have, well WON!
>>>>
>>>> She's right. There was no judgment against them, so they certainly
>>>> didn't lose.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They filed suit, and lost. By not winning, they lost. Duh.
>>>
>> I was talking about the HOA board, not the plaintiffs. So was Jill.
>>
>
> ok, by not loosing, they won. duh.
>
>
Reading for comprehension apparently isn't your strong point. The
plaintiffs filed suit against the DIOA and lost. You were responding to
my statement no one has ever won a lawsuit against them and went on to
prove my point. This is exactly why the attorney I met with pretty much
told me not to bother.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/20/2013 8:39 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
>> "gtr" > wrote in message
>> news:201301201705596161-xxx@yyyzzz...
>>> On 2013-01-21 00:17:47 +0000, Kalmia said:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:41:49 PM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They're compelled to provide money to the place whether they eat there
>>>>> or not. You'd think they would voice their viewpoint. But at a
>>>>> certain
>>>>> point, particularly in "retirement communities" predictably bad is
>>>>> okay
>>>>> because it's predictable.
>>>>
>>>> I bet if enough residents banded together, they could vote to disband
>>>> the
>>>> dining room and all the rest of the frills, and do away with that
>>>> assessment.
>>>
>>> Before the get to that point though, they might encounter the "oh well"
>>> reaction. I note that as I advance in years the "oh well" response and
>>> the
>>> "why bother" response come up more and more frequently.
>>>
>>>> Evidently, enough residents are satisfied with the arrangement.
>>>
>>> Silence, as has long been typified by the American political situation,
>>> daytime TV and all manner of other things, does not necessarily imply
>>> satisfaction.
>>>
>>
>> nor agreement.
>>
>>
> Except I've stated I have *not* been "silent" about it.

I wasn't speaking of you. I was contesting the idea that others, who remain
silent, are not in fact satisfied. You just don't know one way or the
other, for sure.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/21/2013 8:18 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:53:56 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:57:23 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Proves your point - not! You are a crackpot. Most people who win in
>>>>>> court
>>>>>> have, well WON!
>>>>>
>>>>> She's right. There was no judgment against them, so they certainly
>>>>> didn't lose.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They filed suit, and lost. By not winning, they lost. Duh.
>>>>
>>> I was talking about the HOA board, not the plaintiffs. So was Jill.
>>>
>>
>> ok, by not loosing, they won. duh.
>>
>>
> Reading for comprehension apparently isn't your strong point. The
> plaintiffs filed suit against the DIOA and lost. You were responding to
> my statement no one has ever won a lawsuit against them and went on to
> prove my point. This is exactly why the attorney I met with pretty much
> told me not to bother.
>
> Jill

"Apparently there have been many lawsuits over the years, on both sides.
******No one****** seems to have ever won."

Yes, the HOA won the case I cited.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:22:25 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:40:48 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > "sf" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Why did you attach an image? That's a big no-no here. I thought
> >> >> something was wrong with my computer for a moment because my photo
> >> >> editor opened automatically every time I tried to open your post.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I didn't know that I did, and I have no such image appearing for me.
> >> > Oh well . . .
> >>
> >> To be fair, on my system, no image opens unless I tell it too. You
> >> might
> >> want to check
> >> your settings sf.
> >>
> >> --
> > That's usually the case for me too, Ophelia... which is why my first
> > reaction was that I'd somehow picked up some malware.
>
> Oh dear Hope you get it fixed.
> --
It was only that particular attachment, which I didn't even notice at
first because posters here are so good here about not doing that sort
of thing. I have no malware on the computer and my binary food group
works perfectly, so it was just that particular post.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 06:27:02 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 1/21/2013 8:18 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:53:56 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "sf" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:57:23 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Proves your point - not! You are a crackpot. Most people who win in
> >>>>>> court
> >>>>>> have, well WON!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> She's right. There was no judgment against them, so they certainly
> >>>>> didn't lose.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> They filed suit, and lost. By not winning, they lost. Duh.
> >>>>
> >>> I was talking about the HOA board, not the plaintiffs. So was Jill.
> >>>
> >>
> >> ok, by not loosing, they won. duh.
> >>
> >>
> > Reading for comprehension apparently isn't your strong point. The
> > plaintiffs filed suit against the DIOA and lost. You were responding to
> > my statement no one has ever won a lawsuit against them and went on to
> > prove my point. This is exactly why the attorney I met with pretty much
> > told me not to bother.
> >
> > Jill
>
> "Apparently there have been many lawsuits over the years, on both sides.
> ******No one****** seems to have ever won."
>
> Yes, the HOA won the case I cited.
>
You might as well give up, Jill. Everyone else can follow you.

--
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"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
>> >> To be fair, on my system, no image opens unless I tell it too. You
>> >> might
>> >> want to check
>> >> your settings sf.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> > That's usually the case for me too, Ophelia... which is why my first
>> > reaction was that I'd somehow picked up some malware.
>>
>> Oh dear Hope you get it fixed.
>> --
> It was only that particular attachment, which I didn't even notice at
> first because posters here are so good here about not doing that sort
> of thing. I have no malware on the computer and my binary food group
> works perfectly, so it was just that particular post.

Ok that is good. I haven't had any problem like that so I don't really know
what happened to you. All's well that ends well
--
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

On 1/21/2013 11:22 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> ok, by not loosing, they won. duh.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>> > >Reading for comprehension apparently isn't your strong point. The
>>> > >plaintiffs filed suit against the DIOA and lost. You were responding to
>>> > >my statement no one has ever won a lawsuit against them and went on to
>>> > >prove my point. This is exactly why the attorney I met with pretty much
>>> > >told me not to bother.
>>> > >
>>> > >Jill
>> >
>> >"Apparently there have been many lawsuits over the years, on both sides.
>> >******No one****** seems to have ever won."
>> >
>> >Yes, the HOA won the case I cited.
>> >
> You might as well give up, Jill. Everyone else can follow you.

I know. Pico can't decide whether or not to be fascinated or tell me
why I shouldn't talk about it. It's rather amusing from my standpoint

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>Pico Rico wrote:
>> "gtr" wrote:
>>> Kalmia said:
>>>> gtr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> They're compelled to provide money to the place whether they eat there
>>>>> or not. You'd think they would voice their viewpoint. But at a certain
>>>>> point, particularly in "retirement communities" predictably bad is okay
>>>>> because it's predictable.
>>>>
>>>> I bet if enough residents banded together, they could vote to disband the
>>>> dining room and all the rest of the frills, and do away with that
>>>> assessment.

Why would they... they chowse to live there to enjoy all the extras
and they can readily afford them... normal brained people do not
choose to live at places they cannot afford.

>>> Before the get to that point though, they might encounter the "oh well"
>>> reaction. I note that as I advance in years the "oh well" response and the
>>> "why bother" response come up more and more frequently.
>>>
>>>> Evidently, enough residents are satisfied with the arrangement.

People who bought there knew very well what they were buying... and
folks with thin wallets don't choose to buy a home on a golf course.

>>> Silence, as has long been typified by the American political situation,
>>> daytime TV and all manner of other things, does not necessarily imply
>>> satisfaction.
>>
>> nor agreement.
>>
>>
>Except I've stated I have *not* been "silent" about it. I protested
>being forced to join the club when I knew my parents' hadn't been
>members since 2001. I even met with an attorney who just shook his head
>and said I couldn't win a lawsuit against them. So I took my case
>directly to the president of the DIOA and the chairman of the membership
>board. I provided them with all sorts of documentation and information.
> The full board discussed my request and declined to issue a membership
>waiver.
>
>The thing about this place is a lot of the residents are seasonal.
>(Read: they have money.) I'm well acquainted with two couples who own
>homes on my street who are only here for a two or three months out of
>the year. Then they had back to their other homes up north. IMHO,
>anyone who can afford to own, furnish and maintain two houses isn't
>concerned about something like club dues and dining assessments. More
>power to them!

Many of my neighbors are retired and spend summers here in NY and
winters in a home down south (many in the Carolinas), most of the
"snowbirds" here are not wealthy. Many rent for part of the year,
many who own rent their place out for half the year. They do the
snowbird routine because they are old and/or have illnesses and don't
wqnt to tolerate the cold here in winter. But as they get even older
many unload their place in the south and return full time to their
homes in the north to be near family, friends, and the familiar,
living in two places and constant traveling becomes too much of a
drain; physically, emotionally, and financially. Around here the
folks who own homes on golf courses and ski resorts are generally
wealthy... most of the resort living properties are both golf in
summer and sking in winter, the fees are very expensive, the homes are
gorgeous but with prices to match, nothing under $500K and most cost
several Million. Those folks never bitch about club house fees, in
fact they boast about the high costs, they are happy the prices are
high, keeps the riff raff out. If you're bitching about the costs
where you live you really don't belong there. People who say it's
about the principle and not about the money it's really about the
money, it's always about the money.

>Early last year the DIOA proposed renovations to the clubhouse. This
>included enlarging the Pub Room and expanding the outdoor patio area for
>dining. For something this big the residents *do* get to vote on it.
>(Naturally I voted no.) Club expansion passed with a majority. I asked
>one of the seasonal neighbors about it and he was all for it. He said,
>"This is a resort, after all." I'm sure I gave him a strange look. A
>resort, really? Perhaps if I was only here a couple of months out of
>the year I'd think of it like that, too. <shrug>
>
>Meanwhile, for three months last year everyone's monthly dues went up by
>$250/month so the DIOA could pay for the renovations.

People with limited financial resources don't choose to live on golf
courses, at ski lodges, and the like, especially if they don't
golf/ski. Folks of ordinary means who enjoy golf buy a season
membership or pay for the day at a municipal course, they don't buy a
house on the course. Your living in a house on a golf course makes as
much sense as my living on a fishing yacht when I don't fish. The
longer you remain there the more financially behind you will become.
And if your favorite pastime is relaxing on a couch with a jug of wine
and a book all you really need is a furnished room. You need to sell
that albatross, even if it's a bad market whatever you get will be far
more than you paid. instead of staying and constantly bitching you'd
have exhibited intelligence had you placed it for sale the day your
mom died, you could have easily moved into another apartment... I
remember how you enjoyed your apartment.

On 1/20/2013 6:39 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "gtr" > wrote in message news:201301201705596161-xxx@yyyzzz...
>> On 2013-01-21 00:17:47 +0000, Kalmia said:
>>
>>> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:41:49 PM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They're compelled to provide money to the place whether they eat there
>>>> or not. You'd think they would voice their viewpoint. But at a certain
>>>> point, particularly in "retirement communities" predictably bad is okay
>>>> because it's predictable.
>>>
>>> I bet if enough residents banded together, they could vote to disband the
>>> dining room and all the rest of the frills, and do away with that
>>> assessment.
>>
>> Before the get to that point though, they might encounter the "oh well"
>> reaction. I note that as I advance in years the "oh well" response and the
>> "why bother" response come up more and more frequently.
>>
>>> Evidently, enough residents are satisfied with the arrangement.
>>
>> Silence, as has long been typified by the American political situation,
>> daytime TV and all manner of other things, does not necessarily imply
>> satisfaction.
>>
>
>
> nor agreement.
>
>

A with all elected positions, if you won't run for the office or support
the candidate who shares your views, you get what you get. And that's
not someone elected who supports change.

gloria p