On 2013-01-21, Dimitri > wrote:

>> Wine: Korbel Natural, Special Inaugural Cuvée Champagne (California)

> Are they going to serve some real food with all that geeky stuff?

It's obvious they're not gonna serve any real wine. Korbel champagne
(bogus) is right down there with Gallo muscatel.

nb

On 21 Jan 2013 02:15:02 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2013-01-21, Dimitri > wrote:
>
>>> Wine: Korbel Natural, Special Inaugural Cuvée Champagne (California)
>
>> Are they going to serve some real food with all that geeky stuff?
>
>It's obvious they're not gonna serve any real wine. Korbel champagne
>(bogus) is right down there with Gallo muscatel.
>
>nb

Ah-- but it is made in the USA. I think a lot of those foods are
to please all the states. Last week they mentioned the 3 foods that
would represent NY-[apples, wines, and cheeses]. I don't know if the
state got to choose which of these would 'represent'- or if Eva
Longorio picked them.

Jim

On 2013-01-21, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:

> Ah-- but it is made in the USA.

The reason I used the term "bogus", as technically, Champagne must be
from the Champagne region of France to be called Champagne.
Otherwise, it is sparkling wine. Despite the misnomer, Korbel is
known for its low-end products. I'd go so far to say, Gallo now makes
much better wines than Korbel. Also, most high-end Fr Champagne
makers now have US vineyards in Napa CA. So, Mumm sparkling wine,
made in the CA, is an infinitely superior choice to Korbel. Bottom
line, Korbel is cheap swill, regardless of it being US produced.
Chrystonacrutch!.... even Cook's is better.

nb

On 21 Jan 2013 13:46:55 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2013-01-21, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>
>> Ah-- but it is made in the USA.
>
>The reason I used the term "bogus", as technically, Champagne must be
>from the Champagne region of France to be called Champagne.
>Otherwise, it is sparkling wine. Despite the misnomer, Korbel is
>known for its low-end products. I'd go so far to say, Gallo now makes
>much better wines than Korbel. Also, most high-end Fr Champagne
>makers now have US vineyards in Napa CA. So, Mumm sparkling wine,
>made in the CA, is an infinitely superior choice to Korbel. Bottom
>line, Korbel is cheap swill, regardless of it being US produced.
>Chrystonacrutch!.... even Cook's is better.

Couldn't prove it by me-- I use a lot more wine in cooking than I've
ever drank. I'm just guessing there must be *some* folks drinking
it, as they are still in business.

It is reportedly the 7th time it has been served at an inauguration--
and Korbel calls it Champagne- so fight with them.<g>

Jim

On 2013-01-21, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>
> It is reportedly the 7th time it has been served at an inauguration--
> and Korbel calls it Champagne- so fight with them.<g>

That's especially surprising --almost frightening!-- in light of the
fact Korbel is not particularly known for their sparkling wines, at
least not outside the White House. Korbel's cash cow is their cheap
brandy, a brandy so mediocre, even I don't like it. That's realllly
mediocre!


nb

blotclot, wannabe wine snob, snooted:

> It's obvious they're not gonna serve any real wine. Korbel champagne
> (bogus) is right down there with Gallo muscatel.

I can't believe they didn't ask you to consult.

OTOH, maybe when you're serving 500 people, many of whose prior experience is
limited to Ripple, it's best to stick with the familiar.

notbob wrote:
> Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>
>> Ah-- but it is made in the USA.
>
> The reason I used the term "bogus", as technically, Champagne must be
> from the Champagne region of France to be called Champagne.
> Otherwise, it is sparkling wine.

When I worked at Xerox trademark protection was hammered into us.
Kleenex lost its trademark by not insisting on it. Xerox keeps its
trademark by insisting on it. Bourbon was recently expanded so its
meaning is reducing. Products subject to Appelation Controlee are very
insistent. Yes, not calling it champagne is a technicality.

> Despite the misnomer, Korbel is
> known for its low-end products. I'd go so far to say, Gallo now makes
> much better wines than Korbel. Also, most high-end Fr Champagne
> makers now have US vineyards in Napa CA. So, Mumm sparkling wine,
> made in the CA, is an infinitely superior choice to Korbel. Bottom
> line, Korbel is cheap swill, regardless of it being US produced.
> Chrystonacrutch!.... even Cook's is better.

Domain Chandon is also better.

I think it's because it's an American made product by an American owned
company to be chosen. Munn and Domain Chandon may make better sparkling
wines but they are foreign owned.

So the inaugral luncheon also featured McDonalds, right? ;^(

On Monday, January 21, 2013 8:02:48 AM UTC-6, James Elbrecht wrote:
> On 21 Jan 2013 13:46:55 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 2013-01-21, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> Ah-- but it is made in the USA.
>
> >
>
> >The reason I used the term "bogus", as technically, Champagne must be
>
> >from the Champagne region of France to be called Champagne.
>
> >Otherwise, it is sparkling wine. Despite the misnomer, Korbel is
>
> >known for its low-end products. I'd go so far to say, Gallo now makes
>
> >much better wines than Korbel. Also, most high-end Fr Champagne
>
> >makers now have US vineyards in Napa CA. So, Mumm sparkling wine,
>
> >made in the CA, is an infinitely superior choice to Korbel. Bottom
>
> >line, Korbel is cheap swill, regardless of it being US produced.
>
> >Chrystonacrutch!.... even Cook's is better.
>
>
>
> Couldn't prove it by me-- I use a lot more wine in cooking than I've
>
> ever drank. I'm just guessing there must be *some* folks drinking
>
> it, as they are still in business.
>
>
>
> It is reportedly the 7th time it has been served at an inauguration--
>
> and Korbel calls it Champagne- so fight with them.<g>
>
It's sweet sparkling dessert wine. I'm not a wine drinker, but what's not to like?
>
> Jim

--Bryan

On 21 Jan 2013 02:15:02 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2013-01-21, Dimitri > wrote:
>
> >> Wine: Korbel Natural, Special Inaugural Cuvée Champagne (California)
>
> > Are they going to serve some real food with all that geeky stuff?
>
> It's obvious they're not gonna serve any real wine. Korbel champagne
> (bogus) is right down there with Gallo muscatel.
>
Obviously you've never been to the Korbel winery because they have
superior champagnes.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 21 Jan 2013 13:46:55 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2013-01-21, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>
> > Ah-- but it is made in the USA.
>
> The reason I used the term "bogus", as technically, Champagne must be
> from the Champagne region of France to be called Champagne.
> Otherwise, it is sparkling wine. Despite the misnomer, Korbel is
> known for its low-end products. I'd go so far to say, Gallo now makes
> much better wines than Korbel. Also, most high-end Fr Champagne
> makers now have US vineyards in Napa CA. So, Mumm sparkling wine,
> made in the CA, is an infinitely superior choice to Korbel. Bottom
> line, Korbel is cheap swill, regardless of it being US produced.
> Chrystonacrutch!.... even Cook's is better.
>
Why don't you try learning a bit about California "sparkling wines"
before you go shooting off your big fat mouth about something you so
obviously know nothing about?


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:02:48 -0500, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

> On 21 Jan 2013 13:46:55 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2013-01-21, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
> >
> >> Ah-- but it is made in the USA.
> >
> >The reason I used the term "bogus", as technically, Champagne must be
> >from the Champagne region of France to be called Champagne.
> >Otherwise, it is sparkling wine. Despite the misnomer, Korbel is
> >known for its low-end products. I'd go so far to say, Gallo now makes
> >much better wines than Korbel. Also, most high-end Fr Champagne
> >makers now have US vineyards in Napa CA. So, Mumm sparkling wine,
> >made in the CA, is an infinitely superior choice to Korbel. Bottom
> >line, Korbel is cheap swill, regardless of it being US produced.
> >Chrystonacrutch!.... even Cook's is better.
>
> Couldn't prove it by me-- I use a lot more wine in cooking than I've
> ever drank. I'm just guessing there must be *some* folks drinking
> it, as they are still in business.

The stuff that's sold in grocery stores is the bottom of their line
and it's pretty good for the average American who knows next to
nothing about decent champagne. NB is a beer swiller. Not the best
person to be commenting about wines of any kind.
>
> It is reportedly the 7th time it has been served at an inauguration--
> and Korbel calls it Champagne- so fight with them.<g>
>
That's my attitude too. The French are a whiny bunch who over sold
the type and now want to take back the name "Champagne" now that it
turns out Americans can do it just as well or better.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:

> Obviously you've never been to the Korbel winery because they have
> superior champagnes.

I thought Korbel is in California. When did they move to France?

On 2013-01-21, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:

> so Reagan started serving it-- and others followed.

heh heh.... All is explained.

nb

On 2013-01-21, Christine Dabney > wrote:
> On 21 Jan 2013 15:01:33 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>That's especially surprising --almost frightening!-- in light of the
>>fact Korbel is not particularly known for their sparkling wines, at
>>least not outside the White House. Korbel's cash cow is their cheap
>>brandy, a brandy so mediocre, even I don't like it. That's realllly
>>mediocre!

> Not so.

What is not so? That Korbel is not known for their sparkling wines?
They are not. Or that their brandy is mediocre, which it is. Korbel
may have introduced a better sparkling wine and choose to be ugly
Americans about it, but that doesn't mean they are well known for it.
I've never heard or seen Natural and doubt I ever will and wouldn't
buy it if I did.

If you like it fine. I don't drink CA sparkling wines cuz I don't
like any of them, even the Fr owned ones. There's a few things I'll
spend the money on. Fr Champagnes and Fr Chardonnays are two. In my
book, there is no comparison. End of that story.

nb

On 2013-01-21 16:32:08 +0000, sf said:

> Why don't you try learning a bit about California "sparkling wines"
> before you go shooting off your big fat mouth about something you so
> obviously know nothing about?

It saves time.

On 1/21/2013 6:46 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-01-21, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>
>> Ah-- but it is made in the USA.
>
> The reason I used the term "bogus", as technically, Champagne must be
> from the Champagne region of France to be called Champagne.
> Otherwise, it is sparkling wine. Despite the misnomer, Korbel is
> known for its low-end products. I'd go so far to say, Gallo now makes
> much better wines than Korbel. Also, most high-end Fr Champagne
> makers now have US vineyards in Napa CA. So, Mumm sparkling wine,
> made in the CA, is an infinitely superior choice to Korbel. Bottom
> line, Korbel is cheap swill, regardless of it being US produced.
> Chrystonacrutch!.... even Cook's is better.
>
> nb
>


When we drove through wine country the last time, we stopped at Korbel.
IIRC they had quite a range of "champagnes" in both quality and price.
Some of it was quite good.

gloria p

On 1/21/2013 2:30 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-01-21, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>> On 21 Jan 2013 15:01:33 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>> That's especially surprising --almost frightening!-- in light of the
>>> fact Korbel is not particularly known for their sparkling wines, at
>>> least not outside the White House. Korbel's cash cow is their cheap
>>> brandy, a brandy so mediocre, even I don't like it. That's realllly
>>> mediocre!
>> Not so.
> What is not so? That Korbel is not known for their sparkling wines?
> They are not. Or that their brandy is mediocre, which it is. Korbel
> may have introduced a better sparkling wine and choose to be ugly
> Americans about it, but that doesn't mean they are well known for it.
> I've never heard or seen Natural and doubt I ever will and wouldn't
> buy it if I did.
>
> If you like it fine. I don't drink CA sparkling wines cuz I don't
> like any of them, even the Fr owned ones. There's a few things I'll
> spend the money on. Fr Champagnes and Fr Chardonnays are two. In my
> book, there is no comparison. End of that story.
>
> nb
>
>
I don't think Korbel Brut Champagne is at all bad and I approve their
stubborn resistance to French companies' exclusive claims that
"Champagne" must be made from grapes of the recently much-expanded
Champagne region of France. Korbel,s "Natural" Champagne is drier than
Brut and I also like that.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:15:02 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-01-21, Dimitri > wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Wine: Korbel Natural, Special Inaugural Cuvée Champagne (California)
>
>
>
> > Are they going to serve some real food with all that geeky stuff?
>
>
>
> It's obvious they're not gonna serve any real wine. Korbel champagne
>
> (bogus) is right down there with Gallo muscatel.
>
>
>
> nb

If I were going to buy some Champagne for myself, I would buy Moet. If I were buying it for an AMERICAN Inauguration, I would probably choose as they did.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:17:44 -0800, gtr > wrote:

> On 2013-01-21 16:32:08 +0000, sf said:
>
> > Why don't you try learning a bit about California "sparkling wines"
> > before you go shooting off your big fat mouth about something you so
> > obviously know nothing about?
>
> It saves time.

LOL

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:20:30 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

> I read about them later on...and got to try Korbel Natural. It is
> not to everyone's taste, as it is dryer even than Brut. If you like
> fruit bomb wines, then it won't appeal to you.

If you like fruit bombs, drink prosecco. I've tried a lot of them
from BevMo and haven't found one that I didn't think was sweet.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:38:27 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:22:32 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >If you like fruit bombs, drink prosecco.
>
> I don't like fruit bomb wines at all. I like much more restrained
> wines, mostly vinified in a European tradition. They have much more
> character to me.
>
Another one that's too sweet for me is Asti... AKA: Asti Spumante. I
tried prosecco in the hopes that it would be drier. I can't say for
sure that it was because I didn't do a comparison, but the prosecco
wasn't even as dry as cheap grocery store champagne (which isn't dry
at all). I'm feeling a need to get up to the Korbel winery for a
bottle of decent champagne so we can celebrate after you return to the
Bay Area.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 2013-01-21, James Silverton > wrote:

> I don't think Korbel Brut Champagne is at all bad and I approve their
> stubborn resistance to French companies' exclusive claims that
> "Champagne" must be made from grapes of the recently much-expanded
> Champagne region of France.


We honor the term scotch. Why not Champagne? Champagne is a region
of France, regardless of size or changing borders. There is no
Champagne CA. Have you listened to the Hapa wineries whine about
using the term Napa, lately? I think they've even taken legal action
against other CA wineries that even use "Napa-style" or use one single
grape from Napa in an otherwise non-Napa wine. Buncha hypocrites.

nb

On 1/22/2013 8:34 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-01-21, James Silverton > wrote:
>
>> I don't think Korbel Brut Champagne is at all bad and I approve their
>> stubborn resistance to French companies' exclusive claims that
>> "Champagne" must be made from grapes of the recently much-expanded
>> Champagne region of France.
>
>
> We honor the term scotch. Why not Champagne? Champagne is a region
> of France, regardless of size or changing borders. There is no
> Champagne CA. Have you listened to the Hapa wineries whine about
> using the term Napa, lately? I think they've even taken legal action
> against other CA wineries that even use "Napa-style" or use one single
> grape from Napa in an otherwise non-Napa wine. Buncha hypocrites.
>
> nb
>
There isn't a region/country/county/city named Scotch.

On 1/21/2013 6:36 PM, Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:22:32 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:20:30 -0700, Christine Dabney
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I read about them later on...and got to try Korbel Natural. It is
>>> not to everyone's taste, as it is dryer even than Brut. If you like
>>> fruit bomb wines, then it won't appeal to you.
>>
>> If you like fruit bombs, drink prosecco. I've tried a lot of them
>>from BevMo and haven't found one that I didn't think was sweet.
>
> I like champagne and other such sparkling wines much better than
> Prosecco. Prosecco is fine but like you, I prefer a much dryer
> sparkling wine most of the time.
>
> Christine
>
I do too, but I also like Cooks, so that might not give me much credit. lol

James Silverton wrote:
> On 1/21/2013 2:30 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2013-01-21, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>>> On 21 Jan 2013 15:01:33 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's especially surprising --almost frightening!-- in light of the
>>>> fact Korbel is not particularly known for their sparkling wines, at
>>>> least not outside the White House. Korbel's cash cow is their cheap
>>>> brandy, a brandy so mediocre, even I don't like it. That's realllly
>>>> mediocre!
>>> Not so.
>> What is not so? That Korbel is not known for their sparkling wines?
>> They are not. Or that their brandy is mediocre, which it is. Korbel
>> may have introduced a better sparkling wine and choose to be ugly
>> Americans about it, but that doesn't mean they are well known for it.
>> I've never heard or seen Natural and doubt I ever will and wouldn't
>> buy it if I did.
>>
>> If you like it fine. I don't drink CA sparkling wines cuz I don't
>> like any of them, even the Fr owned ones. There's a few things I'll
>> spend the money on. Fr Champagnes and Fr Chardonnays are two. In my
>> book, there is no comparison. End of that story.
>>
>> nb
>>
>>
> I don't think Korbel Brut Champagne is at all bad and I approve their
> stubborn resistance to French companies' exclusive claims that
> "Champagne" must be made from grapes of the recently much-expanded
> Champagne region of France. Korbel,s "Natural" Champagne is drier than
> Brut and I also like that.
>
Korbel can call their shit "Champagne" if they want to sell it in the USA.
Outside the USA, they have to respect international trademarks. Period.
Your comment about "Brut" shows that you haven't the foggiest notion
about Champagne.
"Brut" from which winery ?
I'll give you a hint :
"Brut" means that the "dosage" may be at most 15 grams of sugar per liter.
Now google for "types of Champagne" and you'll see that "natural" isn't
among them. But you'll find at least "doux", "demi-sec", "sec", "brut"
and "extra-brut" as the typical _types_ of Champagner.
Now google for "natural" and sip your Korbel junk.

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner