Is it the d/w 'soap'?

I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small burner. I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a nonstick.

Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?

Ebay may be my best bet for a vintage pot.

Kalmia wrote:
> Is it the d/w 'soap'?
>

Yes, the sodium carbonate will etch the aluminum. (so will oven
cleaner) I think it will actually take the anodized finish off, but it
might take a couple of trips thru the DW to do that much damage.

Bob

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
> Is it the d/w 'soap'?
>
> I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small burner.
> I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a
> nonstick.
>
> Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?
>
Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
> Is it the d/w 'soap'?

The abrasive and chemicals in the DW detergent will eventually destroy the
finish.

Dimitri

On Jan 24, 1:17*pm, "Dimitri" > wrote:
>
> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Is it the d/w 'soap'?
>
> The abrasive and chemicals in the DW detergent will eventually destroy the
> finish.
>
> Dimitri
>
>
Well, I'm safe. No dishwasher here except me. :`(

On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:01:22 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

>
>"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
>> Is it the d/w 'soap'?
>>
>> I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small burner.
>> I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a
>> nonstick.
>>
>> Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?
>>
>Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?
>

The only cookware anyone needs-- Lodge.<g>
http://www.lodgemfg.com/products

Jim

zxcvbob wrote:
>
> Kalmia wrote:
> > Is it the d/w 'soap'?
> >
>
> Yes, the sodium carbonate will etch the aluminum. (so will oven
> cleaner) I think it will actually take the anodized finish off, but it
> might take a couple of trips thru the DW to do that much damage.
>
> Bob

Yes, over time it will strip off the anodizing. Sodium Hydroxide (Lye)
is used to strip anodizing, and the DW detergent while not as strong as
Lye will have the same effect over time.

That said the pans will still be useable, but they will have an ugly
mottled finish and not have the stick-resistant properties that the
anodizing had, they will just be basic aluminum cookware.

graham wrote:
>
> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Is it the d/w 'soap'?
> >
> > I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small burner.
> > I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a
> > nonstick.
> >
> > Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?
> >
> Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?

Yes, some still is. Calphalon was the last time I bought some (a while
ago), and the baking sheets I purchased recently were made in USA.

On 1/24/2013 2:01 PM, graham wrote:
> "Kalmia" > wrote

>> I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small burner.
>> I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a
>> nonstick.
>>
>> Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?
>>
> Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?
>
>
All-Clad?

nancy

graham wrote:
>
> Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?

West Bend. Lodge. There's a Toastmaster plant near me that produces
products in a related category.

"Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
...
> On 1/24/2013 2:01 PM, graham wrote:
>> "Kalmia" > wrote
>
>>> I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small
>>> burner.
>>> I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a
>>> nonstick.
>>>
>>> Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?
>>>
>> Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?
>>
>>
> All-Clad?
>
Very questionable!

"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:01:22 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
>>> Is it the d/w 'soap'?
>>>
>>> I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small
>>> burner.
>>> I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a
>>> nonstick.
>>>
>>> Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?
>>>
>>Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?
>>
>
> The only cookware anyone needs-- Lodge.<g>
> http://www.lodgemfg.com/products
>
I'd forgotten that one. I have a 5qt dutch oven for bread making.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
>
> graham wrote:
>>
>> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Is it the d/w 'soap'?
>> >
>> > I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small
>> > burner.
>> > I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a
>> > nonstick.
>> >
>> > Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?
>> >
>> Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?
>
> Yes, some still is. Calphalon was the last time I bought some (a while
> ago), and the baking sheets I purchased recently were made in USA.

It's becoming more difficult to find any US name brand that isn't made in
the PRC.

On 1/24/2013 6:16 PM, graham wrote:
> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote

>> On 1/24/2013 2:01 PM, graham wrote:
>>> "Kalmia" > wrote
>>
>>>> I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small
>>>> burner.
>>>> I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a
>>>> nonstick.
>>>>
>>>> Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?
>>>>
>>> Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?
>>>
>>>
>> All-Clad?
>>
> Very questionable!
>
>
Why do you say that?

nancy

graham wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > graham wrote:
> >>
> >> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Is it the d/w 'soap'?
> >> >
> >> > I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small
> >> > burner.
> >> > I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a
> >> > nonstick.
> >> >
> >> > Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?
> >> >
> >> Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?
> >
> > Yes, some still is. Calphalon was the last time I bought some (a while
> > ago), and the baking sheets I purchased recently were made in USA.
>
> It's becoming more difficult to find any US name brand that isn't made in
> the PRC.

More difficult, but still not impossible yet. I do try to buy made in
USA as much as reasonably possible, and even better if I can buy made in
Texas.

On Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:45:22 PM UTC-6, Pete C. wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Kalmia wrote:
>
> > > Is it the d/w 'soap'?
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > Yes, the sodium carbonate will etch the aluminum. (so will oven
>
> > cleaner) I think it will actually take the anodized finish off, but it
>
> > might take a couple of trips thru the DW to do that much damage.
>
> >
>
> > Bob
>
>
>
> Yes, over time it will strip off the anodizing. Sodium Hydroxide (Lye)
>
> is used to strip anodizing, and the DW detergent while not as strong as
>
> Lye will have the same effect over time.
>
>
>
> That said the pans will still be useable, but they will have an ugly
>
> mottled finish and not have the stick-resistant properties that the
>
> anodizing had, they will just be basic aluminum cookware.

It only takes one time to damage it. I know. I guess I should have
read the care instructions. At least it was only an 8" saute pan.

--Bryan

"Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
...
> On 1/24/2013 6:16 PM, graham wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote
>
>>> On 1/24/2013 2:01 PM, graham wrote:
>>>> "Kalmia" > wrote
>>>
>>>>> I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small
>>>>> burner.
>>>>> I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a
>>>>> nonstick.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?
>>>>>
>>>> Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> All-Clad?
>>>
>> Very questionable!
>>
>>
> Why do you say that?
>
Because just about every company is having stuff made there. Sometimes you
really have to hunt for the "Made in China" label. If it doesn't say "Made
in the USA" , generally in big letters with a flag, it'll be made in the
PRC.

graham wrote:
> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/24/2013 6:16 PM, graham wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote
>>>> On 1/24/2013 2:01 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>> "Kalmia" > wrote
>>>>>> I'm on the hunt for a 2 quart saucepan which will cover the small
>>>>>> burner.
>>>>>> I have read that the new Farberware 2 quart does not. I DON'T want a
>>>>>> nonstick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, is the new Farberware made in USA?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> All-Clad?
>>>>
>>> Very questionable!
>>>
>>>
>> Why do you say that?
>>
> Because just about every company is having stuff made there. Sometimes you
> really have to hunt for the "Made in China" label. If it doesn't say "Made
> in the USA" , generally in big letters with a flag, it'll be made in the
> PRC.
>
>


And if the flag is too BIG, it's also probably made in China.

Bob

On 1/24/2013 9:25 PM, graham wrote:
> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote

>> On 1/24/2013 6:16 PM, graham wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote

>>>>> Is ANY cookware made in the USA these days?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> All-Clad?
>>>>
>>> Very questionable!
>>>
>>>
>> Why do you say that?
>>
> Because just about every company is having stuff made there. Sometimes you
> really have to hunt for the "Made in China" label. If it doesn't say "Made
> in the USA" , generally in big letters with a flag, it'll be made in the
> PRC.

Okay, it's just that the website says where it's made in Pennsylvania.

I thought maybe you knew something more than that.

nancy

On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:16:09 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> wrote:

> Is it the d/w 'soap'?

That gray stuff is just a coating, I guess whatever the abrasives are
in d/w detergent will make it wear faster. I never put my pots and
pans in the dishwasher so it's a non-issue for me.
>


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:19:30 -0500, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
wrote:



>>>
>> Because just about every company is having stuff made there. Sometimes you
>> really have to hunt for the "Made in China" label. If it doesn't say "Made
>> in the USA" , generally in big letters with a flag, it'll be made in the
>> PRC.
>
>Okay, it's just that the website says where it's made in Pennsylvania.
>
>I thought maybe you knew something more than that.
>
>nancy

All Clad makes the Emerilware line and that comes from China.

sf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:16:09 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> > wrote:
>
> > Is it the d/w 'soap'?
>
> That gray stuff is just a coating, I guess whatever the abrasives are
> in d/w detergent will make it wear faster. I never put my pots and
> pans in the dishwasher so it's a non-issue for me.

Anodizing is not a coating, it is an electro-chemical finishing process
that essentially builds an extra thick layer of hard aluminum oxide on
and into the base aluminum. The thickness of the anodizing develops in
both directions i.e. half of the thickness builds into the base metal
and half out from it. All aluminum builds up an aluminum oxide layer
naturally, anodizing deliberately builds it thicker than naturally
occurs.

sf wrote:
> Kalmia > wrote:
>
>> Is it the d/w 'soap'?
>
> That gray stuff is just a coating,

In particular the hard protective coating. It's the difference between
a plain metal pan, a pan with a disposable non-stic coating or a pan
with a sapphire hard coating that is stick resistant (a very useful
feature tha tis not to be confused with non-stick) that should last for
life.

> I guess whatever the abrasives are
> in d/w detergent will make it wear faster.

It's the corrosives in the detergent. The synthetic sapphire coating is
immune to almost any type of abrasive used in cleaning but it is not
chemically immune to acids and bases that have been heated.

> I never put my pots and
> pans in the dishwasher so it's a non-issue for me.

I'm of a different mind on that one. I have little interest in
tolerating anything in my kitchen that does not go in the machine. We
have items that my wife insists on but on my own I'd have almost none of
them. I'd be tempted to ditch the cast iron even.

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>> Kalmia > wrote:
>>
>>> Is it the d/w 'soap'?
>>
>> That gray stuff is just a coating,
>
> In particular the hard protective coating. It's the difference between
> a plain metal pan, a pan with a disposable non-stic coating or a pan
> with a sapphire hard coating that is stick resistant (a very useful
> feature tha tis not to be confused with non-stick) that should last for
> life.
>
>> I guess whatever the abrasives are
>> in d/w detergent will make it wear faster.
>
> It's the corrosives in the detergent. The synthetic sapphire coating is
> immune to almost any type of abrasive used in cleaning but it is not
> chemically immune to acids and bases that have been heated.
>
>> I never put my pots and
>> pans in the dishwasher so it's a non-issue for me.
>
> I'm of a different mind on that one. I have little interest in
> tolerating anything in my kitchen that does not go in the machine. We
> have items that my wife insists on but on my own I'd have almost none of
> them. I'd be tempted to ditch the cast iron even.
>
I find that glassware goes "milky" and opaque with repeated washing in the
DW, although it's seems less severe with the liquid detergents. I had to
throw out a Corningware measuring jug that was etched so badly that I
couldn't make out the measuring lines.
I wash my best wine glasses by hand.

Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> sf wrote:
> > Kalmia > wrote:
> >
> >> Is it the d/w 'soap'?
> >
> > That gray stuff is just a coating,
>
> In particular the hard protective coating.

Anodizing is *not* a coating. A coating is a foreign material that is
applied like various Teflon type coatings, anodizing is
electro-chemically grown from and into the base metal, roughly 50% in
either direction.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:32:16 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

> I wash my best wine glasses by hand.
>
I only wash mine by hand because I don't want the stems to break in
the dishwasher.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Pete C. wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>> > Kalmia > wrote:
>
>> >> Is it the d/w 'soap'?
>
>> > That gray stuff is just a coating,
>
>> In particular the hard protective coating.
>
> Anodizing is *not* a coating. A coating is a foreign material that is
> applied like various Teflon type coatings, anodizing is
> electro-chemically grown from and into the base metal, roughly 50% in
> either direction.

A coating is a layer that covers, one that started out not being there.
By claiming that anodized is not a coating you have suggested that it
does not cover. Anodized is more than a normal coating but it is a
coating.

Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Kalmia wrote:
>
> I never put my pots and
> pans in the dishwasher so it's a non-issue for me.

I'm of a different mind on that one. I have little interest in
tolerating anything in my kitchen that does not go in the machine. We
have items that my wife insists on but on my own I'd have almost none
of them. I'd be tempted to ditch the cast iron even.

I wouldn't even think of tossing it, if your wife is a regular cast
iron cookware user one must assume she has far great upper body
strength than you... ditch her cast iron pots and she'll pummel you to
within an inch of your life! LOL

On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:53:36 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

> Pete C. wrote:
> > Doug Freyburger wrote:
> >> sf wrote:
> >> > Kalmia > wrote:
> >
> >> >> Is it the d/w 'soap'?
> >
> >> > That gray stuff is just a coating,
> >
> >> In particular the hard protective coating.
> >
> > Anodizing is *not* a coating. A coating is a foreign material that is
> > applied like various Teflon type coatings, anodizing is
> > electro-chemically grown from and into the base metal, roughly 50% in
> > either direction.
>
> A coating is a layer that covers, one that started out not being there.
> By claiming that anodized is not a coating you have suggested that it
> does not cover. Anodized is more than a normal coating but it is a
> coating.

It certainly is on my pans, which are first generation.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:32:16 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
>
>> I wash my best wine glasses by hand.
>>
> I only wash mine by hand because I don't want the stems to break in
> the dishwasher.
>
Break? Hmmmm! Does your dishwasher have a spin cycle then?

sf wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:53:36 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> > wrote:
>
> > Pete C. wrote:
> > > Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > >> sf wrote:
> > >> > Kalmia > wrote:
> > >
> > >> >> Is it the d/w 'soap'?
> > >
> > >> > That gray stuff is just a coating,
> > >
> > >> In particular the hard protective coating.
> > >
> > > Anodizing is *not* a coating. A coating is a foreign material that is
> > > applied like various Teflon type coatings, anodizing is
> > > electro-chemically grown from and into the base metal, roughly 50% in
> > > either direction.
> >
> > A coating is a layer that covers, one that started out not being there.
> > By claiming that anodized is not a coating you have suggested that it
> > does not cover. Anodized is more than a normal coating but it is a
> > coating.
>
> It certainly is on my pans, which are first generation.
>
> --
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

A coating is applied, anodizing is grown. They are about as different as
you can get, and for reference I have an anodizing line and anodize
aluminum items I fabricate.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:32:16 -0700, "graham" > wrote:



>>
>I find that glassware goes "milky" and opaque with repeated washing in the
>DW, although it's seems less severe with the liquid detergents. I had to
>throw out a Corningware measuring jug that was etched so badly that I
>couldn't make out the measuring lines.
>I wash my best wine glasses by hand.
>

Cut back the amount of detergent you are using. Fill the cups half
way and get cleaner dishes without getting that milkiness.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:30:25 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:32:16 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
> >
> >> I wash my best wine glasses by hand.
> >>
> > I only wash mine by hand because I don't want the stems to break in
> > the dishwasher.
> >
> Break? Hmmmm! Does your dishwasher have a spin cycle then?
>
No, but they do clank about if they aren't properly place. Dora says
her old dishwasher had clips, mine doesn't. I have to put lower
profile glasses in between the stemmed ones to keep them from moving
enough to do damage to other stemmed glasses... which is hard to do
when I'm washing them after a party.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 1/25/2013 3:21 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:32:16 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
>
>> I wash my best wine glasses by hand.
>>
> I only wash mine by hand because I don't want the stems to break in
> the dishwasher.
>
My dishwasher has little fold-down holders on one side of the top rack
to hold the glasses in place so they can't move during washing. Then
again, I don't have any "best" wine glasses. I do have a few stemless
wine glasses, those are nifty

Jill

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>"graham" wrote:
>>
>>I find that glassware goes "milky" and opaque with repeated washing in the
>>DW, although it's seems less severe with the liquid detergents. I had to
>>throw out a Corningware measuring jug that was etched so badly that I
>>couldn't make out the measuring lines.
>>I wash my best wine glasses by hand.
>
>Cut back the amount of detergent you are using. Fill the cups half
>way and get cleaner dishes without getting that milkiness.

Even cutting back makes little difference, all dishwashing compounds
will etch regardless using half the recommended amount... I have a
water softener so I use half the recommended amount of all cleaning
products... hard water will etch even without dishwashing compound.
All glassware will become etched when washed in an automatic
dishwasher... I wash my good glassware by hand... only my cheapo every
day glassware goes in the dishwasher. My good dishes and flatware
gets washed by hand, I wash all cookware and knives by hand too. Only
cheapo every day dishes and flatware goes in the dishwasher. I wash
all the cat's dishes by hand too, otherwise with so many dishes I'd
have to run the dishwasher every day, maybe twice a day.

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 08:57:44 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 1/25/2013 3:21 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:32:16 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
> >
> >> I wash my best wine glasses by hand.
> >>
> > I only wash mine by hand because I don't want the stems to break in
> > the dishwasher.
> >
> My dishwasher has little fold-down holders on one side of the top rack
> to hold the glasses in place so they can't move during washing. Then
> again, I don't have any "best" wine glasses. I do have a few stemless
> wine glasses, those are nifty
>
My last dishwasher had that feature and I didn't think it worked very
well. I mainly used that fold down thingie as another rack to put
smaller non-stemmed glasses on.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 1/26/2013 10:13 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 08:57:44 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/25/2013 3:21 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:32:16 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wash my best wine glasses by hand.
>>>>
>>> I only wash mine by hand because I don't want the stems to break in
>>> the dishwasher.
>>>
>> My dishwasher has little fold-down holders on one side of the top rack
>> to hold the glasses in place so they can't move during washing. Then
>> again, I don't have any "best" wine glasses. I do have a few stemless
>> wine glasses, those are nifty
>>
> My last dishwasher had that feature and I didn't think it worked very
> well. I mainly used that fold down thingie as another rack to put
> smaller non-stemmed glasses on.
>
Oh, I couldn't use this one as another rack. It's a bi-fold design that
snaps up and out of the way when not in use. But it really does hold
the glasses in place. I'd never had a dishwasher like this one before
so at first I didn't know what the heck that thing on the right side of
the top rack was for. Then I read the manual for the machine. Go figure.

Jill

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:44:39 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 1/26/2013 10:13 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 08:57:44 -0500, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/25/2013 3:21 PM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:32:16 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I wash my best wine glasses by hand.
> >>>>
> >>> I only wash mine by hand because I don't want the stems to break in
> >>> the dishwasher.
> >>>
> >> My dishwasher has little fold-down holders on one side of the top rack
> >> to hold the glasses in place so they can't move during washing. Then
> >> again, I don't have any "best" wine glasses. I do have a few stemless
> >> wine glasses, those are nifty
> >>
> > My last dishwasher had that feature and I didn't think it worked very
> > well. I mainly used that fold down thingie as another rack to put
> > smaller non-stemmed glasses on.
> >
> Oh, I couldn't use this one as another rack. It's a bi-fold design that
> snaps up and out of the way when not in use. But it really does hold
> the glasses in place. I'd never had a dishwasher like this one before
> so at first I didn't know what the heck that thing on the right side of
> the top rack was for. Then I read the manual for the machine. Go figure.
>
It's probably more like what Dora (remember her?) says she used to
have. I've never had a stemware holder that did a decent job holding
stemware in place.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 1/26/2013 11:01 AM, sf wrote:
>>> My last dishwasher had that feature and I didn't think it worked very
>>> > >well. I mainly used that fold down thingie as another rack to put
>>> > >smaller non-stemmed glasses on.
>>> > >
>> >Oh, I couldn't use this one as another rack. It's a bi-fold design that
>> >snaps up and out of the way when not in use. But it really does hold
>> >the glasses in place. I'd never had a dishwasher like this one before
>> >so at first I didn't know what the heck that thing on the right side of
>> >the top rack was for. Then I read the manual for the machine. Go figure.
>> >
> It's probably more like what Dora (remember her?) says she used to
> have. I've never had a stemware holder that did a decent job holding
> stemware in place.

Of course I remember Dora I just don't recall the ins out outs of
her dishwasher.

Jill

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:06:27 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 1/26/2013 11:01 AM, sf wrote:
> >>> My last dishwasher had that feature and I didn't think it worked very
> >>> > >well. I mainly used that fold down thingie as another rack to put
> >>> > >smaller non-stemmed glasses on.
> >>> > >
> >> >Oh, I couldn't use this one as another rack. It's a bi-fold design that
> >> >snaps up and out of the way when not in use. But it really does hold
> >> >the glasses in place. I'd never had a dishwasher like this one before
> >> >so at first I didn't know what the heck that thing on the right side of
> >> >the top rack was for. Then I read the manual for the machine. Go figure.
> >> >
> > It's probably more like what Dora (remember her?) says she used to
> > have. I've never had a stemware holder that did a decent job holding
> > stemware in place.
>
> Of course I remember Dora I just don't recall the ins out outs of
> her dishwasher.
>
She's on FB and mentioned that feature recently.


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