The pastor demands that a party of 18 get separate checks to avoid an
auto-tip, stiffs her waitress, then gets the waitress fired.

Praise Jesus!

http://tinyurl.com/armhtt5
--
-- Beware the delicate, tiny, very talented celebrity starlets.

On Feb 1, 12:56*pm, Juan Anonly > wrote:
> The pastor demands that a party of 18 get separate checks to avoid an
> auto-tip, stiffs her waitress, then gets the waitress fired.
>
> Praise Jesus!
>
> * * * *http://tinyurl.com/armhtt5
> --
> *-- Beware the delicate, tiny, very talented celebrity starlets.

The pastor was/is an idiot.

The waitress should have immediately consulted the manager when asked for 18 separate checks. Something was definitely amiss. Of course, this auto-tip business does rub some people the wrong way. I wouldn't have fired her tho, unless this was one more infraction, added to a long list of poor performance.

On 2013-02-02 00:17:00 +0000, Kalmia said:

> The waitress should have immediately consulted the manager when asked
> for 18 separate checks. Something was definitely amiss. Of course,
> this auto-tip business does rub some people the wrong way. I wouldn't
> have fired her tho, unless this was one more infraction, added to a
> long list of poor performance.

The waitress was not the one fired. The employee that posted the
receipt with the pastor's notes was fired.

Chemo > wrote in

s.com:

> On Feb 1, 12:56*pm, Juan Anonly > wrote:
>> The pastor demands that a party of 18 get separate checks to
>> avoid an auto-tip, stiffs her waitress, then gets the
>> waitress fired.
>>
>> Praise Jesus!
>
> The pastor was/is an idiot.

I wouldn't put anything past-or. Christian? Not!

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

On 2013-02-02 02:51:27 +0000, Sqwertz said:

> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:56:39 -0800, Juan Anonly wrote:
>
>> From: Juan Anonly >
>
> Isn't posting as 'gtr' anonymous enough for you, that you made to try
> and make it even more anonymous?

I like to segregate my anonymities when possible. It's not always possible.

I don't know if you pursued the Alois Bell story far enough, but there
is a video of her preaching that is worth the pursuit: Absolutely
incomprehensible.

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:17:00 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> wrote:

>The waitress should have immediately consulted the manager when asked for 18 separate checks. Something was definitely amiss. Of course, this auto-tip business does rub some people the wrong way. I wouldn't have fired her tho, unless this was one more infraction, added to a long list of poor performance.

The auto tip on large parties does sort of irritate, but most every
place that has it will post it so you know up front. And there is
good reason for the auto tip too. You can always leave.

The truth is, the pastor is a turd and Applebees should take some
action because it is a violation of policy by posting a customer name.
OTOH, I'd probably give the girl a bonus.

On 2013-02-02, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> good reason for the auto tip too.

Which is?

On 2/2/2013 7:41 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-02-02, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> good reason for the auto tip too.
>
> Which is?
>
Making sure the server gets a tip. Waiting tables with a party that
large is not fun. BTDT. They'll run your ass off then leave a quarter
each, if you're lucky.

Jill

On 2013-02-02, jmcquown > wrote:

> Making sure the server gets a tip.

That is NOT a tip. It's a charge.

> Waiting tables with a party that
> large is not fun.

Work is not fun. If it was, it would be called play.

> BTDT. They'll run your ass off then leave a quarter
> each, if you're lucky.

I understand the dynamic. I've been in those kinda groups. OTOH, the
surcharge is always done in such a slimey manner. Like at Chevy's, it
was this little micro print at the very bottom of the menu, that
actually hadda be pointed out by the mgr. Why can't there be a nice
large notice that says, "Any folks that eat in a group like pigs at
the trough WILL be charged extra cuz yer all cheap bastids"? I could
live with that.

See my other thread.

nb

On 2/1/13 7:27 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2013-02-02 00:17:00 +0000, Kalmia said:
>
>> The waitress should have immediately consulted the manager when asked
>> for 18 separate checks. Something was definitely amiss. Of course,
>> this auto-tip business does rub some people the wrong way. I wouldn't
>> have fired her tho, unless this was one more infraction, added to a
>> long list of poor performance.
>
> The waitress was not the one fired. The employee that posted the receipt
> with the pastor's notes was fired.

And it wasn't 18 separate checks since it was 10 adults and 6 kids.
Amazing how the story changes on retelling.

On 02/02/2013 8:00 AM, jmcquown wrote:


> Making sure the server gets a tip. Waiting tables with a party that
> large is not fun. BTDT. They'll run your ass off then leave a quarter
> each, if you're lucky.


This is one of the reasons that I disapprove of the institution of
tipping. It leaves wait staff dependent upon the generosity of customers
for their wages, which they should get from their employer. Then they
come along with rules like the 18% "tip" for groups,which IMO is
excessive. If they are really concerned about the staff getting paid
for the service they provide they could put up a No Tipping policy sign
and notice on the menu and jack their prices up to include the tip.



That being said, I appreciate the hassles waiting on a large party. My
father in law used to host a birthday. family Christmas party at a club
he belonged to. The club had a family brunch buffet with entertainment.
the Big Niece monopolized the waiter. He had come around with coffee.
She wanted tea. There was cream at the table but she wanted milk, which
she waited to tell him about when he got back with the tea. SO me went
for a pitcher of milk. When he got back with the pitcher of milk for her
tea she sent him for a glass of milk. He got back with the glass of milk
and she asked for a glass of orange juice. He never came back. He
disappeared, and I don't blame him.

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2013-02-02, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > good reason for the auto tip too.
>
> Which is?

A waitress having to deal with so many people in a party has a lot of extra
work for that one table. Auto tip is to guarantee her at least a minimum tip
for so much extra work. Remember....they get paid very little per hour and
count on tips to compensate for that.

Gary

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2013-02-02, jmcquown > wrote:
>
> > Making sure the server gets a tip.
>
> That is NOT a tip. It's a charge.
>
> > Waiting tables with a party that
> > large is not fun.
>
> Work is not fun. If it was, it would be called play.

If you want to be a cheap-ass, stay home and cook your own meal.

G.

On Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:00:47 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> > Waiting tables with a party that
>
> large is not fun. BTDT. They'll run your ass off then leave a quarter
>
> each, if you're lucky.

>
Especially if they're a bunch of women. I've seen 4 elderly women leave a whole dollar for a lunch tip, and I SAW that they had eaten dessert too. "Don't wanna go thru the old goat's money TOO fast, now do we, ladies?" Might not be able to afford gas for that Grand Marquis.....

On 2/2/2013 8:52 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 02/02/2013 8:00 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>
>> Making sure the server gets a tip. Waiting tables with a party that
>> large is not fun. BTDT. They'll run your ass off then leave a quarter
>> each, if you're lucky.
>
>
> This is one of the reasons that I disapprove of the institution of
> tipping. It leaves wait staff dependent upon the generosity of customers
> for their wages, which they should get from their employer.

I certainly agree with that.

> come along with rules like the 18% "tip" for groups,which IMO is
> excessive. If they are really concerned about the staff getting paid
> for the service they provide they could put up a No Tipping policy sign
> and notice on the menu and jack their prices up to include the tip.
>
True. But at what level do you set the prices to include the tip? And
do the servers who work so hard actually see any of that in their paycheck?

I'm not adverse to tipping because I have worked in restaurants. But it
also depends on the level of service.

> That being said, I appreciate the hassles waiting on a large party. My
> father in law used to host a birthday. family Christmas party at a club
> he belonged to. The club had a family brunch buffet with entertainment.
> the Big Niece monopolized the waiter. He had come around with coffee.
> She wanted tea. There was cream at the table but she wanted milk, which
> she waited to tell him about when he got back with the tea. SO me went
> for a pitcher of milk. When he got back with the pitcher of milk for her
> tea she sent him for a glass of milk. He got back with the glass of milk
> and she asked for a glass of orange juice. He never came back. He
> disappeared, and I don't blame him.
>

Yep. That's the sort of behavior that makes you want to run off. LOL

Except it wasn't Big Niece. It was everyone at the table at this one
large party. Running me into the ground, constantly sending me back to
the kitchen for this and that. (That was before they even got their
meals.) I basically got a quarter tip from each of them. A couple of
women left me fifty cents. As long as lower wages and the tip system
are in place in the US, this is why the automatic gratuity for large
parties makes sense.

Jill

On 2/2/2013 9:32 AM, Kalmia wrote:
> On Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:00:47 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>> Waiting tables with a party that
>>
>> large is not fun. BTDT. They'll run your ass off then leave a quarter
>>
>> each, if you're lucky.
>
>>
> Especially if they're a bunch of women. I've seen 4 elderly women leave a whole dollar for a lunch tip

Oooh! A whole dollar!

and I SAW that they had eaten dessert too. "Don't wanna go thru the old
goat's money TOO fast, now do we, ladies?" Might not be able to afford
gas for that Grand Marquis.....
>
Older men are different. They sort of try to out-do each other on the
tip (or picking up the check). But not by much.

Jill

On Saturday, February 2, 2013 1:17:46 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 23:47:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:17:00 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>The waitress should have immediately consulted the manager when asked for 18 separate checks. Something was definitely amiss. Of course, this auto-tip business does rub some people the wrong way. I wouldn't have fired her tho, unless this was one more infraction, added to a long list of poor performance.
>
> >
>
> > The auto tip on large parties does sort of irritate, but most every
>
> > place that has it will post it so you know up front. And there is
>
> > good reason for the auto tip too. You can always leave.
>
> >
>
> > The truth is, the pastor is a turd and Applebees should take some
>
> > action because it is a violation of policy by posting a customer name.
>
> > OTOH, I'd probably give the girl a bonus.
>
>
>
> Everybody got what they deserved, IMO. Applebee's got some good (IMO)
>
> publicity, the waitress got fired, and the pastor looks like a cheap,
>
> cynical bitch.
>
Good publicity? Really. If I were the sort to eat at Applebee's, I'd avoid the place. The public should demand that the worker be re-hired.

It's too bad that the "church" has no physical address that I could locate, because I was going to send the pastor a nice letter.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

On Saturday, February 2, 2013 7:52:38 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 02/02/2013 8:00 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Making sure the server gets a tip. Waiting tables with a party that
>
> > large is not fun. BTDT. They'll run your ass off then leave a quarter
>
> > each, if you're lucky.
>
>
>
>
>
> This is one of the reasons that I disapprove of the institution of
>
> tipping. It leaves wait staff dependent upon the generosity of customers
>
> for their wages, which they should get from their employer. Then they
>
> come along with rules like the 18% "tip" for groups,which IMO is
>
> excessive. If they are really concerned about the staff getting paid
>
> for the service they provide they could put up a No Tipping policy sign
>
> and notice on the menu and jack their prices up to include the tip.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That being said, I appreciate the hassles waiting on a large party. My
>
> father in law used to host a birthday. family Christmas party at a club
>
> he belonged to. The club had a family brunch buffet with entertainment.
>
> the Big Niece monopolized the waiter. He had come around with coffee.
>
> She wanted tea. There was cream at the table but she wanted milk, which
>
> she waited to tell him about when he got back with the tea. SO me went
>
> for a pitcher of milk. When he got back with the pitcher of milk for her
>
> tea she sent him for a glass of milk. He got back with the glass of milk
>
> and she asked for a glass of orange juice. He never came back. He
>
> disappeared, and I don't blame him.

What I would suggest for the Big Niece is telling her off so thoroughly that you significantly increase the chance that she'll commit suicide.

--Bryan

On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:48:28 -0500, Goomba >
wrote:

>On 2/1/13 7:27 PM, gtr wrote:
>> On 2013-02-02 00:17:00 +0000, Kalmia said:
>>
>>> The waitress should have immediately consulted the manager when asked
>>> for 18 separate checks. Something was definitely amiss. Of course,
>>> this auto-tip business does rub some people the wrong way. I wouldn't
>>> have fired her tho, unless this was one more infraction, added to a
>>> long list of poor performance.
>>
>> The waitress was not the one fired. The employee that posted the receipt
>> with the pastor's notes was fired.
>
>And it wasn't 18 separate checks since it was 10 adults and 6 kids.
>Amazing how the story changes on retelling.

That makes life interesting, but I saw it handled with *extreme* grace
a few years ago in *the* Italian restaurant in Malone, NY. [if there
are 2 now- it is the one with the neon lobster over the door]

My son's youth hockey team was in town for the weekend. The coach
called ahead and asked if they could accommodate 8 boys and 15-16
adults. They asked for an hour lead time so they could 'open a
room'.

When we got there, the boys were sat at one table- the adults at the
table nearby in a dining area set aside for us.

While we were munching on bread and looking over the menu, the adults
figured we'd get a check for each table- add them together and divide
the bill.

Nope-- The waitress came in and started taking the boy's orders,
asking each one what his jersey number was. then she went to our
table, called out the number,, and added the adults to each bill.

Genius! The service was unbelievably good- the food was fantastic-
the tips were generous- and we all fell in love with Malone. [a tiny
city near the Canadian border in NY]

Jim

On 2013-02-02 14:32:37 +0000, Kalmia said:

> On Saturday, February 2, 2013 8:00:47 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>> Waiting tables with a party that>> large is not fun. BTDT. They'll
>>> run your ass off then leave a quarter>> each, if you're lucky.
>
>>
> Especially if they're a bunch of women. I've seen 4 elderly women
> leave a whole dollar for a lunch tip, and I SAW that they had eaten
> dessert too. "Don't wanna go thru the old goat's money TOO fast, now
> do we, ladies?" Might not be able to afford gas for that Grand
> Marquis.....

In my 30's I use to linger at the table after my parents got up to go
to the car. This allowed enough time to doctor the tip to a more than
embarrassing percentage...

On 2013-02-02 13:48:28 +0000, Goomba said:

> On 2/1/13 7:27 PM, gtr wrote:
>> On 2013-02-02 00:17:00 +0000, Kalmia said:
>>
>>> The waitress should have immediately consulted the manager when asked
>>> for 18 separate checks. Something was definitely amiss. Of course,
>>> this auto-tip business does rub some people the wrong way. I wouldn't
>>> have fired her tho, unless this was one more infraction, added to a
>>> long list of poor performance.
>>
>> The waitress was not the one fired. The employee that posted the receipt
>> with the pastor's notes was fired.
>
> And it wasn't 18 separate checks since it was 10 adults and 6 kids.
> Amazing how the story changes on retelling.

Neither element really changes the story.

On 2013-02-02 15:23:04 +0000, Bryan said:

>> On Saturday, February 2, 2013 1:17:46 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> Everybody got what they deserved, IMO. Applebee's got some good (IMO)
>> publicity, the waitress got fired, and the pastor looks like a cheap,
>> cynical bitch.
>
> Good publicity? Really. If I were the sort to eat at Applebee's, I'd
> avoid the place.

I don't know about Steve, but that's just the kind of publicity I'd
like to see Applebee's get.

> The public should demand that the worker be re-hired.

They're working on it with a facebook page. It skimming for the youtube
of Bell preaching (she is almost incomprehensible), I found indications
that 1) The video was removed, 2) Bell has apologized saying she didn't
want any one fired, and other publicity-doctoring factors.

> It's too bad that the "church" has no physical address that I could
> locate, because I was going to send the pastor a nice letter.>> -sw

I did too, I was looking for a way to contact Bell too so I could tell
her how much I "appreciated" her "godliness". A first for me.

>
> --Bryan

On Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:42:22 PM UTC-5, gtr wrote:


> In my 30's I use to linger at the table after my parents got up to go
>
> to the car. This allowed enough time to doctor the tip to a more than
>
> embarrassing percentage...

Gee, I thought WE were the only ones who did that lingering act. AND I'll bet you never told your dad that you did that, either - am I right? The things we take to the grave.

On Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:46:45 AM UTC-6, gtr wrote:
> On 2013-02-02 15:23:04 +0000, Bryan said:
>
>
>
> >> On Saturday, February 2, 2013 1:17:46 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> Everybody got what they deserved, IMO. Applebee's got some good (IMO)
>
> >> publicity, the waitress got fired, and the pastor looks like a cheap,
>
> >> cynical bitch.
>
> >
>
> > Good publicity? Really. If I were the sort to eat at Applebee's, I'd
>
> > avoid the place.
>
>
>
> I don't know about Steve, but that's just the kind of publicity I'd
>
> like to see Applebee's get.
>
>
>
> > The public should demand that the worker be re-hired.
>
>
>
> They're working on it with a facebook page. It skimming for the youtube
>
> of Bell preaching (she is almost incomprehensible), I found indications
>
> that 1) The video was removed, 2) Bell has apologized saying she didn't
>
> want any one fired, and other publicity-doctoring factors.
>
>
>
> > It's too bad that the "church" has no physical address that I could
>
> > locate, because I was going to send the pastor a nice letter.>> -sw
>
>
>
> I did too, I was looking for a way to contact Bell too so I could tell
>
> her how much I "appreciated" her "godliness". A first for me.
>
I was going to tell her that with an ass as big as hers and those elephant
arms, I can understand how she'd find it physically impossible to wipe her
own ass, and so people should cut her some slack for stinking.
>
> > --Bryan

--Bryan

On 2013-02-02 17:48:45 +0000, Kalmia said:

> On Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:42:22 PM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
>
>> In my 30's I use to linger at the table after my parents got up to go
>> to the car. This allowed enough time to doctor the tip to a more than
>> embarrassing percentage...
>
> Gee, I thought WE were the only ones who did that lingering act. AND
> I'll bet you never told your dad that you did that, either - am I
> right? The things we take to the grave.

Correct. And we are not alone.

I was in a restaurant once and I saw a party leave, then one guy
returned, dug around through the change on the table, pulled out his
wallet and through some money down. He spied me sitting idly watching
and said, "50 cents on a 20 dollar tab! My Dad is living in 1930!" and
moved on. It was at that point that I began checking my folks tips.

On 2013-02-02 18:02:42 +0000, Bryan said:

>> I did too, I was looking for a way to contact Bell too so I could tell
>> her how much I "appreciated" her "godliness". A first for me.
>>
> I was going to tell her that with an ass as big as hers and those elephant
> arms, I can understand how she'd find it physically impossible to wipe her
> own ass, and so people should cut her some slack for stinking.

Well that's certainly another approach, of course. I was going to try
the high road first.

On 2 Feb 2013 12:41:30 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2013-02-02, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> good reason for the auto tip too.
>
>Which is?

Prevents Pastor Bell syndrome that often happens with groups.

On Feb 1, 8:47*pm, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:17:00 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
>
> > wrote:
> >The waitress should have immediately consulted the manager when asked for 18 separate checks. *Something was definitely amiss. *Of course, this auto-tip business does rub some people the wrong way. *I wouldn't have fired her tho, unless this was one more infraction, added to a long list of poor performance.
>
> The auto tip on large parties does sort of irritate, but most every
> place that has it will post it so you know up front. *And there is
> good reason for the auto tip too. *You can always leave.
>
> The truth is, the pastor is a turd and Applebees should take some
> action because it is a violation of policy by posting a customer name.
> OTOH, I'd probably give the girl a bonus.

I couldn't make out the first name at all. At first I thought it was
Cleo.

sqwishy thow down fo' racism.

> It's bad enough I have to hear your whiney, White bitch ass

Would he bother you less if he weren't White?