On 2/9/2013 6:12 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>> Spices, sauce AND pasta??? Are we talking about hamburger as in ground
>>> meat or patty?
>>
>> Just add cooked ground meat. It's a one-dish (skillet) dinner/quick
>> fix sort of thing. Contains lots of sodium and preservatives.
>
> Ok, thanks. not my cuppatea at all I am afraid)

Nor mine. I suppose if I was just starting out on my own and didn't
know how to cook there might be some appeal...

Jill

"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:19:24 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
>
> -snip-
>>> That's exactly how I remember them. Plain ol' cheap untoasted white
>>> bread, roast beef and mashed potatoes all smothered with brown gravy.
>>> Wasn't corn or green beans on the plate also?
>>
>>Please tell me you used a knife and fork for that?
>>--
>
> Looks like this
> http://gorillabuns.typepad.com/.a/6a...4484cfb970d-pi

Hmmm I can't say it tickles my taste buds ... perhaps it tastes better than
it looks?


> [The better ones are on a bigger plate- with more gravy- and a bit
> more runny---and those potatoes look *bad*- but this gets you in the
> ballpark. Also has a diner plate and table.<g>]

lol. We always use a dinner plate and table, and given the amount of gravy
on that plate, one would hope the diner did to )
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:16:38 -0500, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:19:24 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > wrote in message
>
> -snip-
> >> That's exactly how I remember them. Plain ol' cheap untoasted white
> >> bread, roast beef and mashed potatoes all smothered with brown gravy.
> >> Wasn't corn or green beans on the plate also?
> >
> >Please tell me you used a knife and fork for that?
> >--
>
> Looks like this
> http://gorillabuns.typepad.com/.a/6a...4484cfb970d-pi
>
> [The better ones are on a bigger plate- with more gravy- and a bit
> more runny---and those potatoes look *bad*- but this gets you in the
> ballpark. Also has a diner plate and table.<g>]
>
My god that looks awful! I wonder if anyone serves a "real" open face
hot roast beef sandwich anymore with all the healthy cooking we find
everywhere we go these days? Food Network couldn't get it right
either. You'd think there would be at least one good photo of it from
DDD (diners, drive-ins and dives) or Roadfood.com lurking somewhere in
cyberspace.

The bread wasn't stacked and the roast beef wasn't "sandwiched"
between two pieces of bread. It was bread on the plate, then thin
slices of (well done - no pink on this stuff) beef, a scoop, made with
an ice cream scoop, of (pdg) mashed potatoes and covered with a smooth
diner style gravy. The images I saw in google did remind me that the
potatoes often had a well on top where even more gravy sat, but it was
pretty simple to construct. I also knew that I wasn't going to like
it if they built it any other way.

Channeling Sheldon Cooper: There's a right way and a wrong way to do
this. Don't give it to me the wrong way because it won't taste the
same.


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On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:28:59 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> Not sure what my mom's friend's problem was but the food would often be
> undercooked or overcooked. It would eat lack any seasoning whatever or
> would have so much and perhaps even the wrong seasoning that it was horrid.
> She made breakfast for us once. Some kind of "healthy" apple bars. It was
> chopped apples and sesame seeds with a ton of cinnamon. Not sure what she
> used to hold it all together. Because it wasn't sweet at all. It was just
> kind of gummy and had a leaden quality to it. Danged woman used to show up
> just as it was time to cook dinner and announce that she would cook it for
> us. We were all kind of happy when she became a nun. That meant she
> couldn't cook for us any more.

The only person I know who slavishly follows recipes has no sense of
smell and therefore can't taste anything, so she has to rely on the
editors of well known cookbooks to be her guide. The up side is that
I've never had a bad meal cooked by her. The down side is that she
can't deviate from her recipes because she can't taste what she's done
to it and know if what she did was good or bad if she varies an
ingredient.

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On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:19:28 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> "Ophelia" > wrote:
> >>> -snip-
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Hamburger Helper is something I've never gotten into, but thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>>So, come on! Who is going to tell me what it is??
> >>>>--
> >>>
> >>> It is a quickie box of spices/sauce and pasta in various flavors.
> >>> [last time I looked there were a dozen new flavors-- but we've eaten
> >>> the cheeseburger one, and the 'red' one-- some nondescript dehydrated
> >>> marinara-type sauce] Usually you brown the meat- add the spices/sauce
> >>> packet-- the pasta and some milk and/or water. I think part of
> >>> the taste/feel that folks like is the extra starch because the pasta
> >>> isn't drained. also usually high in sodium.
> >>>
> >>> I've taken the cheeseburger flavored one and toss some broccoli in
> >>> with it and it isn't bad. It is good for that night that you just
> >>> don't want to make any effort at all-- but you feel like some comfort
> >>> food.
> >>
> >> Spices, sauce AND pasta??? Are we talking about hamburger as in ground
> >> meat or patty?
> >
> > Ground meat.
>
> Thanks. Since I learned that 'hamburger' can be either a patty or ground
> meat, I find it a bit confusing
>

It's all in the context and when the context is assumed, it can be
confusing to someone not familiar with it the concept. That's one of
the reasons why I'm usually out in left field in that other ng we
share... that and "humor" I don't find funny, even after it's
explained to me in a condescending, if not downright hostile, manner.

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On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:20:06 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
> Heh, I find all this stuff endlessly fascinating and often find something I
> will make and enjoy)

I've tried a few things from ideas I've gotten from the "other" ng. I
especially enjoy the version of toad in the hole you told me about,
which is made with sausages, apples and onions... so much so that I've
repeated it a couple of times.

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On 2/9/2013 8:39 AM, sf wrote:
> The bread wasn't stacked and the roast beef wasn't "sandwiched"
> between two pieces of bread. It was bread on the plate, then thin
> slices of (well done - no pink on this stuff) beef, a scoop, made with
> an ice cream scoop, of (pdg) mashed potatoes and covered with a smooth
> diner style gravy. The images I saw in google did remind me that the
> potatoes often had a well on top where even more gravy sat, but it was
> pretty simple to construct. I also knew that I wasn't going to like
> it if they built it any other way.
>
The open face hot roast beef sandwiches I've had were not on white
bread. It was a sandwich roll (just half of one, french or hoagie-type)
topped with thinly sliced roast beef and gravy. Mashed potatoes (yes,
with gravy) were on the side

> Channeling Sheldon Cooper: There's a right way and a wrong way to do
> this. Don't give it to me the wrong way because it won't taste the
> same.

LOL Sheldon Cooper. Thai food on pizza night?! French toast on
oatmeal day?!

Jill

"Ophelia" > wrote:

>
>
>"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
.. .

-snip-
>>
>> Looks like this
>> http://gorillabuns.typepad.com/.a/6a...4484cfb970d-pi
>
>Hmmm I can't say it tickles my taste buds ... perhaps it tastes better than
>it looks?

IMO- yes-- On the rare occasions I need a fix of salt, fat & carbs in
completely unhealthy amounts.
>
>
>> [The better ones are on a bigger plate- with more gravy- and a bit
>> more runny---and those potatoes look *bad*- but this gets you in the
>> ballpark. Also has a diner plate and table.<g>]
>
>lol. We always use a dinner plate and table, and given the amount of gravy
>on that plate, one would hope the diner did to )
>--

Probably one of those 'common language' separations. The best of
these sandwiches are served in *diners*- cheap, sit down fast food-
that concentrates more on total calories served than presentation or
finesse. Often [and best] accompanied by a saucy waitress who
might just anything than pops in her mind.

They have been using those heavy, plain dishes with that stripe
pattern around the edge for at least 80 years.

The table top is also classic diner 'pattern'.

Jim

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:04:16 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 2/9/2013 8:39 AM, sf wrote:
> > The bread wasn't stacked and the roast beef wasn't "sandwiched"
> > between two pieces of bread. It was bread on the plate, then thin
> > slices of (well done - no pink on this stuff) beef, a scoop, made with
> > an ice cream scoop, of (pdg) mashed potatoes and covered with a smooth
> > diner style gravy. The images I saw in google did remind me that the
> > potatoes often had a well on top where even more gravy sat, but it was
> > pretty simple to construct. I also knew that I wasn't going to like
> > it if they built it any other way.
> >
> The open face hot roast beef sandwiches I've had were not on white
> bread. It was a sandwich roll (just half of one, french or hoagie-type)
> topped with thinly sliced roast beef and gravy. Mashed potatoes (yes,
> with gravy) were on the side

Oh, god NO! How can I put this gently? That is just plain WRONG.

>
> > Channeling Sheldon Cooper: There's a right way and a wrong way to do
> > this. Don't give it to me the wrong way because it won't taste the
> > same.
>
> LOL Sheldon Cooper. Thai food on pizza night?! French toast on
> oatmeal day?!
>
Hahahaha! Exactly. Don't mess up my open faced roast beef sandwich,
because I ordered it with explicit instructions about how to construct
it after noticing that the other patrons were served mashed potato on
the side. Oh, the HORROR of it all!

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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:55:08 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 2/9/2013 1:28 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > I think it is only appealing to two groups and sometimes these groups will
> > overlap. Those who can't cook, don't know how to cook or don't want to.
> > And those who get the stuff free or next to nothing with coupons. I read a
> > couponing forum and there are people there who got a deal on it some time
> > ago. They filled their freezers with the stuff pretty much for free.
>
> I had no idea they make any variety of Hamburger Helper which requires
> refrigeration or storage in the freezer.
>
I think you need to post your recipe for Ophelia.

I see there are home made versions of HH on the internet, but I don't
know how "authentic" they are. Here are some examples

http://chickensintheroad.com/cooking...burger-helper/
http://www.farmgirlgourmet.com/2012/...er-helper.html
http://www.fatgirltrappedinaskinnybo...burger-helper/
http://www.themeltaways.com/2012/08/...er-stroganoff/


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sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:16:38 -0500, Jim Elbrecht >
>wrote:

-snip-
>>
>> Looks like this
>> http://gorillabuns.typepad.com/.a/6a...4484cfb970d-pi
>>
>> [The better ones are on a bigger plate- with more gravy- and a bit
>> more runny---and those potatoes look *bad*- but this gets you in the
>> ballpark. Also has a diner plate and table.<g>]
>>
>My god that looks awful! I wonder if anyone serves a "real" open face
>hot roast beef sandwich anymore with all the healthy cooking we find
>everywhere we go these days?

Sure do in upstate NY. I should go look for one to take a picture
of-- I can't believe there weren't 100 good ones when I searched.

> Food Network couldn't get it right
>either. You'd think there would be at least one good photo of it from
>DDD (diners, drive-ins and dives) or Roadfood.com lurking somewhere in
>cyberspace.
>
>The bread wasn't stacked and the roast beef wasn't "sandwiched"
>between two pieces of bread. It was bread on the plate, then thin
>slices of (well done - no pink on this stuff) beef, a scoop, made with
>an ice cream scoop, of (pdg) mashed potatoes and covered with a smooth
>diner style gravy. The images I saw in google did remind me that the
>potatoes often had a well on top where even more gravy sat, but it was
>pretty simple to construct. I also knew that I wasn't going to like
>it if they built it any other way.

We do gravy- bread-meat-gravy -bread-meat. Potatoes on the side--
definitely with a well-- and a final heart-stopping bunch of gravy.

Thin sliced well-done beef & white bread that turns to mush.
And the 'finer' outfits will give you 4-5 more slices of bread on
another plate to help you clean up your plate.

>
>Channeling Sheldon Cooper: There's a right way and a wrong way to do
>this. Don't give it to me the wrong way because it won't taste the
>same.

A wise man, indeed.

Jim

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:20:06 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Heh, I find all this stuff endlessly fascinating and often find something
>> I
>> will make and enjoy)
>
> I've tried a few things from ideas I've gotten from the "other" ng. I
> especially enjoy the version of toad in the hole you told me about,
> which is made with sausages, apples and onions... so much so that I've
> repeated it a couple of times.

Cool I am enjoying Meat loaf, which I learned about here
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"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
...

> We do gravy- bread-meat-gravy -bread-meat. Potatoes on the side--
> definitely with a well-- and a final heart-stopping bunch of gravy.

Please describe your gravy, and how you make it?
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Bryan wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > I don't think it's overpriced. Only less than a dollar for a 15.5oz can
> > that you add to a pound of cooked ground beef and onions.
>
> It is very rarely on sale for $1 here, and never for a penny less. I think the regular price is somewhere around $2 a can.

Damn. You win, Bryan. It's been well over a year since I've bought it. I
see it often in the sale ads for around a dollar but I looked this morning.
Regular price was $1.79.

Gary

On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 15:21:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>> We do gravy- bread-meat-gravy -bread-meat. Potatoes on the side--
>> definitely with a well-- and a final heart-stopping bunch of gravy.
>
>Please describe your gravy, and how you make it?
>--

Probably not the same twice. I make a thin roux with flour and
either butter or beef fat - then darken and thin it some more with
beef stock. [au jus if I've got it] Lots of salt- even more pepper.
Sometimes I'll add mushrooms.

Jim

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:59:58 -0500, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

>
> Thin sliced well-done beef & white bread that turns to mush.

Exactly! How can it be any other way???

> And the 'finer' outfits will give you 4-5 more slices of bread on
> another plate to help you clean up your plate.
>
Thanks for the reminder, I completely forgot about that part.
> >
> >Channeling Sheldon Cooper: There's a right way and a wrong way to do
> >this. Don't give it to me the wrong way because it won't taste the
> >same.
>
> A wise man, indeed.
>
Sheldon: I only drink hot chocolate in months with an R in them.
Howard: Why?
Sheldon: What's life without whimsy.


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sf > wrote:

-snip-
>>
>Sheldon: I only drink hot chocolate in months with an R in them.
>Howard: Why?
>Sheldon: What's life without whimsy.

My dad, raised mostly in the country after his father moved north from
Staten Island in the 30's would [will?] not eat pork in a month
*without* an R in it.

Funny how the calendar makes all the 'r' months naturally refrigerated
in this part of the world.

Mountain men did not bath in months *with* 'R's.

Jim

"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 15:21:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>> We do gravy- bread-meat-gravy -bread-meat. Potatoes on the side--
>>> definitely with a well-- and a final heart-stopping bunch of gravy.
>>
>>Please describe your gravy, and how you make it?
>>--
>
> Probably not the same twice. I make a thin roux with flour and
> either butter or beef fat - then darken and thin it some more with
> beef stock. [au jus if I've got it] Lots of salt- even more pepper.
> Sometimes I'll add mushrooms.

That sounds more like it
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 06:47:16 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:04:16 -0500, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>> On 2/9/2013 8:39 AM, sf wrote:
>> > The bread wasn't stacked and the roast beef wasn't "sandwiched"
>> > between two pieces of bread. It was bread on the plate, then thin
>> > slices of (well done - no pink on this stuff) beef, a scoop, made with
>> > an ice cream scoop, of (pdg) mashed potatoes and covered with a smooth
>> > diner style gravy. The images I saw in google did remind me that the
>> > potatoes often had a well on top where even more gravy sat, but it was
>> > pretty simple to construct. I also knew that I wasn't going to like
>> > it if they built it any other way.
>> >
>> The open face hot roast beef sandwiches I've had were not on white
>> bread. It was a sandwich roll (just half of one, french or hoagie-type)
>> topped with thinly sliced roast beef and gravy. Mashed potatoes (yes,
>> with gravy) were on the side
>
>Oh, god NO! How can I put this gently? That is just plain WRONG.
>
>>
>> > Channeling Sheldon Cooper: There's a right way and a wrong way to do
>> > this. Don't give it to me the wrong way because it won't taste the
>> > same.
>>
>> LOL Sheldon Cooper. Thai food on pizza night?! French toast on
>> oatmeal day?!
>>
>Hahahaha! Exactly. Don't mess up my open faced roast beef sandwich,
>because I ordered it with explicit instructions about how to construct
>it after noticing that the other patrons were served mashed potato on
>the side. Oh, the HORROR of it all!

Well, neither of you has it right. It is not open faced. The photo
link in thread above was gross and nothing like what I have eaten. A
smooth brown gravy is used. Yes, an ice cream scoop of potatoes. The
sandwich is cut in half diagonally and the edges pushed apart. The
scoop of potatoes is parked between the sandwich halves and a ladle of
gravy is spooned across all of it.
Janet US

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:56:36 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/9/2013 6:12 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>> Spices, sauce AND pasta??? Are we talking about hamburger as in ground
>>>> meat or patty?
>>>
>>> Just add cooked ground meat. It's a one-dish (skillet) dinner/quick
>>> fix sort of thing. Contains lots of sodium and preservatives.
>>
>> Ok, thanks. not my cuppatea at all I am afraid)
>
>Nor mine. I suppose if I was just starting out on my own and didn't
>know how to cook there might be some appeal...
>
>Jill
Do you prefer to cook in the meat/potato/veg style then? No skillet
meals?
Janet US

On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:19:28 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>> -snip-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hamburger Helper is something I've never gotten into, but thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, come on! Who is going to tell me what it is??
>>>>>--
>>>>
>>>> It is a quickie box of spices/sauce and pasta in various flavors.
>>>> [last time I looked there were a dozen new flavors-- but we've eaten
>>>> the cheeseburger one, and the 'red' one-- some nondescript dehydrated
>>>> marinara-type sauce] Usually you brown the meat- add the spices/sauce
>>>> packet-- the pasta and some milk and/or water. I think part of
>>>> the taste/feel that folks like is the extra starch because the pasta
>>>> isn't drained. also usually high in sodium.
>>>>
>>>> I've taken the cheeseburger flavored one and toss some broccoli in
>>>> with it and it isn't bad. It is good for that night that you just
>>>> don't want to make any effort at all-- but you feel like some comfort
>>>> food.
>>>
>>> Spices, sauce AND pasta??? Are we talking about hamburger as in ground
>>> meat or patty?
>>
>> Ground meat.
>
>Thanks. Since I learned that 'hamburger' can be either a patty or ground
>meat, I find it a bit confusing
>
>--
Hamburger, used to describe ground meat, is a rather old term. Maybe
it is still in use in the east US where communities live on as they
did years ago. I haven't seen or heard the term hamburger for ground
meat since I was a child.
Janet US

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:19:28 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>>> -snip-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hamburger Helper is something I've never gotten into, but thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, come on! Who is going to tell me what it is??
>>>>>>--
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a quickie box of spices/sauce and pasta in various flavors.
>>>>> [last time I looked there were a dozen new flavors-- but we've eaten
>>>>> the cheeseburger one, and the 'red' one-- some nondescript dehydrated
>>>>> marinara-type sauce] Usually you brown the meat- add the spices/sauce
>>>>> packet-- the pasta and some milk and/or water. I think part of
>>>>> the taste/feel that folks like is the extra starch because the pasta
>>>>> isn't drained. also usually high in sodium.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've taken the cheeseburger flavored one and toss some broccoli in
>>>>> with it and it isn't bad. It is good for that night that you just
>>>>> don't want to make any effort at all-- but you feel like some comfort
>>>>> food.
>>>>
>>>> Spices, sauce AND pasta??? Are we talking about hamburger as in ground
>>>> meat or patty?
>>>
>>> Ground meat.
>>
>>Thanks. Since I learned that 'hamburger' can be either a patty or ground
>>meat, I find it a bit confusing
>>
>>--
> Hamburger, used to describe ground meat, is a rather old term. Maybe
> it is still in use in the east US where communities live on as they
> did years ago. I haven't seen or heard the term hamburger for ground
> meat since I was a child.

Thanks, but I seem to have seen it here (?)

O, easily confused ...

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On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:33:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:19:28 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>>>> -snip-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hamburger Helper is something I've never gotten into, but thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, come on! Who is going to tell me what it is??
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a quickie box of spices/sauce and pasta in various flavors.
>>>>>> [last time I looked there were a dozen new flavors-- but we've eaten
>>>>>> the cheeseburger one, and the 'red' one-- some nondescript dehydrated
>>>>>> marinara-type sauce] Usually you brown the meat- add the spices/sauce
>>>>>> packet-- the pasta and some milk and/or water. I think part of
>>>>>> the taste/feel that folks like is the extra starch because the pasta
>>>>>> isn't drained. also usually high in sodium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've taken the cheeseburger flavored one and toss some broccoli in
>>>>>> with it and it isn't bad. It is good for that night that you just
>>>>>> don't want to make any effort at all-- but you feel like some comfort
>>>>>> food.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spices, sauce AND pasta??? Are we talking about hamburger as in ground
>>>>> meat or patty?
>>>>
>>>> Ground meat.
>>>
>>>Thanks. Since I learned that 'hamburger' can be either a patty or ground
>>>meat, I find it a bit confusing
>>>
>>>--
>> Hamburger, used to describe ground meat, is a rather old term. Maybe
>> it is still in use in the east US where communities live on as they
>> did years ago. I haven't seen or heard the term hamburger for ground
>> meat since I was a child.
>
>Thanks, but I seem to have seen it here (?)
>
>O, easily confused ...
>
>--
yes, you have. That's why I said maybe the term is still common back
east where communities tend not to change.
Janet US

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message

>>> Hamburger, used to describe ground meat, is a rather old term. Maybe
>>> it is still in use in the east US where communities live on as they
>>> did years ago. I haven't seen or heard the term hamburger for ground
>>> meat since I was a child.
>>
>>Thanks, but I seem to have seen it here (?)
>>
>>O, easily confused ...
>>
>>--
> yes, you have. That's why I said maybe the term is still common back
> east where communities tend not to change.

Okiedokie) I can only go by what I read here you see!

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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:46:52 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> Do you prefer to cook in the meat/potato/veg style then? No skillet
> meals?

I do for the most part. A one dish meal might fill me up but it's not
satisfying.

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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:51:10 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:19:28 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>>
> >>> Spices, sauce AND pasta??? Are we talking about hamburger as in ground
> >>> meat or patty?
> >>
> >> Ground meat.
> >
> >Thanks. Since I learned that 'hamburger' can be either a patty or ground
> >meat, I find it a bit confusing

Look for the "a" or lack thereof.
"a" hamburger = a beef patty
hamburger = loose meat (always beef)

> >
> >--
> Hamburger, used to describe ground meat, is a rather old term. Maybe
> it is still in use in the east US where communities live on as they
> did years ago. I haven't seen or heard the term hamburger for ground
> meat since I was a child.
> Janet US

Ground pork, turkey etc are "ground" + the name of the beast, but
hamburger signifies ground beef by default - at least here on the West
Coast. Beef patties are a "burger", the ground meat of any other
beast that is shaped into a patty is "a" (insert name of beast)
burger.

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On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:33:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

> Thanks, but I seem to have seen it here (?)
>
> O, easily confused ...

It's a very common term.

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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 10:28:50 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:46:52 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> Do you prefer to cook in the meat/potato/veg style then? No skillet
>> meals?
>
>I do for the most part. A one dish meal might fill me up but it's not
>satisfying.

I can do only so many meat/potato/veg meals before I have do something
different.
Janet US

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 10:42:13 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:33:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, but I seem to have seen it here (?)
>>
>> O, easily confused ...
>
>It's a very common term.
Is that what you see on the package when you buy it?
Janet US

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:31:29 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 10:28:50 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:46:52 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Do you prefer to cook in the meat/potato/veg style then? No skillet
> >> meals?
> >
> >I do for the most part. A one dish meal might fill me up but it's not
> >satisfying.
>
> I can do only so many meat/potato/veg meals before I have do something
> different.

I think they're different, but I like my meat, starch and
vegetables/salad to be distinctive not all jumbled up into an
unrecognizable mess - which is probably why Indian curries don't
appeal to me and I wasn't in love with that hobo stew. We don't get
much heat around here, so I serve mainly cold weather type meals...
which I think have a lot of variety.

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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:32:52 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 10:42:13 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:33:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, but I seem to have seen it here (?)
> >>
> >> O, easily confused ...
> >
> >It's a very common term.
> Is that what you see on the package when you buy it?

Sometimes, but mainly no. Is that what you were talking about? I
wasn't. What the package says on it has nothing to do with common
usage or even restaurant terminology.

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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:01:31 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:31:29 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 10:28:50 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:46:52 -0700, Janet Bostwick
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Do you prefer to cook in the meat/potato/veg style then? No skillet
>> >> meals?
>> >
>> >I do for the most part. A one dish meal might fill me up but it's not
>> >satisfying.
>>
>> I can do only so many meat/potato/veg meals before I have do something
>> different.
>
>I think they're different, but I like my meat, starch and
>vegetables/salad to be distinctive not all jumbled up into an
>unrecognizable mess - which is probably why Indian curries don't
>appeal to me and I wasn't in love with that hobo stew. We don't get
>much heat around here, so I serve mainly cold weather type meals...
>which I think have a lot of variety.
I think that if it is done right it isn't an unrecognizable mess. But
then, you said you were unfamiliar with that kind of cooking not
having been exposed to it while growing up. Come to think of it,
neither was I. I just like the melding of flavors. Please don't
think that I just throw any old thing in a pot and call it good. I
hardly ever cook with leftovers, I really can't stand the taste.
Janet US

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:04:57 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:32:52 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 10:42:13 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:33:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks, but I seem to have seen it here (?)
>> >>
>> >> O, easily confused ...
>> >
>> >It's a very common term.
>> Is that what you see on the package when you buy it?
>
>Sometimes, but mainly no. Is that what you were talking about? I
>wasn't. What the package says on it has nothing to do with common
>usage or even restaurant terminology.
O.k., not on package. Still, I haven't heard that terminology in
years. Everyone says ground beef, ground chuck as the packages do.
Back in the old days, hamburger was ground meat -- whatever that was.
Janet us

Janet Bostwick > wrote:

>On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:33:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
. ..

-snip-
>>>>Thanks. Since I learned that 'hamburger' can be either a patty or ground
>>>>meat, I find it a bit confusing
>>>>
>>>>--
>>> Hamburger, used to describe ground meat, is a rather old term. Maybe
>>> it is still in use in the east US where communities live on as they
>>> did years ago. I haven't seen or heard the term hamburger for ground
>>> meat since I was a child.
>>
>>Thanks, but I seem to have seen it here (?)
>>
>>O, easily confused ...
>>
>>--
>yes, you have. That's why I said maybe the term is still common back
>east where communities tend not to change.
>Janet US

Common in these parts. Some folks might specify 'ground chuck' or
'ground round'-- but I think 'hamburger' is the most common. Never
saw 'Ground Beef helper' anywhere.<g>

Jim

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/9/2013 1:28 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I think it is only appealing to two groups and sometimes these groups
>> will
>> overlap. Those who can't cook, don't know how to cook or don't want to.
>> And those who get the stuff free or next to nothing with coupons. I read
>> a
>> couponing forum and there are people there who got a deal on it some time
>> ago. They filled their freezers with the stuff pretty much for free.
>
> I had no idea they make any variety of Hamburger Helper which requires
> refrigeration or storage in the freezer.

They don't. These people were just freezing it because they had so much of
it and it was going to expire soon. So they put it in the freezer thinking
this would prolong it.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:46:52 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> Do you prefer to cook in the meat/potato/veg style then? No skillet
>> meals?
>
> I do for the most part. A one dish meal might fill me up but it's not
> satisfying.

I do mainly one dish meals but not Hamburger Helper.

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 13:18:13 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> Back in the old days, hamburger was ground meat -- whatever that was.

Back in the olden days, ground meat was ground cow. Period. You had
to have the butcher grind up pork or veal for you if you wanted to
make a meatloaf. Later on, you could buy all three separately or a
"meatloaf mix", which as I recall, was just the three types of meat
and not meat fancied up with seasonings + vegetables the way they do
it today. Ground turkey and chicken hadn't even been "invented" yet.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 13:18:13 -0700, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> Back in the old days, hamburger was ground meat -- whatever that was.
>
> Back in the olden days, ground meat was ground cow. Period. You had
> to have the butcher grind up pork or veal for you if you wanted to
> make a meatloaf. Later on, you could buy all three separately or a
> "meatloaf mix", which as I recall, was just the three types of meat
> and not meat fancied up with seasonings + vegetables the way they do
> it today. Ground turkey and chicken hadn't even been "invented" yet.

Buy a grinder and you can invent whatever you like )
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On 2/9/2013 3:19 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:

> Common in these parts. Some folks might specify 'ground chuck' or
> 'ground round'-- but I think 'hamburger' is the most common. Never
> saw 'Ground Beef helper' anywhere.<g>
>
I've heard 'chop meat', too. (Not 'chopped'.)

On 2/9/2013 3:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "sf" > wrote
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 13:18:13 -0700, Janet Bostwick
>>
>>> Back in the old days, hamburger was ground meat -- whatever that was.
>>
>> Back in the olden days, ground meat was ground cow. Period. You had
>> to have the butcher grind up pork or veal for you if you wanted to
>> make a meatloaf. Later on, you could buy all three separately or a
>> "meatloaf mix", which as I recall, was just the three types of meat
>> and not meat fancied up with seasonings + vegetables the way they do
>> it today. Ground turkey and chicken hadn't even been "invented" yet.
>
> Buy a grinder and you can invent whatever you like )

If I didn't already have a grinder/mincer, I'd be buying one - the meat
adulteration story just gets worse and worse.