Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
Graham

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:58:52 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

> Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
> My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
> Graham
>
I heard the tease a couple of times, but missed the news story.
That's just another reason why beer is so bad here. I guess in this
day and age of "lite" beer swill, they thought they could get away
with it.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 27/02/2013 10:37 AM, sf wrote:

> I heard the tease a couple of times, but missed the news story.
> That's just another reason why beer is so bad here. I guess in this
> day and age of "lite" beer swill, they thought they could get away
> with it.
>


There is some irony to that. Americans seem to like cheap, weak guzzle
beer. Then they try to sue the company for giving them what they gobble
up at the stores and in bars. There are better, more full bodied beers
on the market, but they don't buy them. Go figger.

On 2013-02-27, Dave Smith > wrote:


> up at the stores and in bars. There are better, more full bodied beers
> on the market.......

Certainly, none of them Canadian!

C'mon, Dave. Don't try and convince me Molson and Moosehead are
anything other than mega-swill, jes like Bud and Coors.

nb

On 27/02/2013 11:50 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-02-27, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>
>> up at the stores and in bars. There are better, more full bodied beers
>> on the market.......
>
> Certainly, none of them Canadian!
>
> C'mon, Dave. Don't try and convince me Molson and Moosehead are
> anything other than mega-swill, jes like Bud and Coors.
>


C'mon nb. Where did I say that Canadian beers were better? I know that a
lot of my countrymen pride themselves on our national beverage being
superior to American beer. I usually drink imported beers. The only
domestic beer that I buy regularly is Steamwhistle.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:52:59 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> The only domestic beer that I buy regularly is Steamwhistle.
>
You've given me something to look for, but I fear my search will be
futile.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:50:53 AM UTC-6, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-02-27, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > up at the stores and in bars. There are better, more full bodied beers
>
> > on the market.......
>
>
>
> Certainly, none of them Canadian!
>
>
>
> C'mon, Dave. Don't try and convince me Molson and Moosehead are
>
> anything other than mega-swill, jes like Bud and Coors.
>
Molson *is* Coors.
>
> nb

--Bryan

On Feb 27, 8:50*am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2013-02-27, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > up at the stores and in bars. There are better, more full bodied beers
> > on the market.......
>
> Certainly, none of them Canadian! *
>
> C'mon, Dave. *Don't try and convince me Molson and Moosehead are
> anything other than mega-swill, jes like Bud and Coors.

I used to love Molson Export, but I haven't seen it over here in
years.

On 27/02/2013 9:58 AM, graham wrote:
> Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
> My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
> Graham
>
>


That's an odd story. The reports I read indicate that the suit is based
on what some people claim that former AB employees told them about the
beer being watered down. AB OTOH, claims to have sensitive and reliable
equipment that tests the product for it's alcohol content and adds water
to dilute it if it is too high. I didn't see any comments about the
products tasting weaker or people not drinking it anymore. One of the
reasons I don't like American beer is that it is all weak. The mass
produced American beer is really weak bland stuff. Yet, people continue
to drink it.

On Feb 27, 7:38*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 27/02/2013 9:58 AM, graham wrote:
>
> > Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
> > My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
> > Graham
>
> That's an odd story. The reports I read indicate that the suit is based
> on what some people claim that former AB employees told them about the
> beer being watered down. *AB OTOH, claims to have sensitive and reliable
> equipment that tests the product for it's alcohol content and adds water
> to dilute it if it is too high. *I didn't see any comments about the
> products tasting weaker or people not drinking it anymore. *One of the
> reasons I don't like American beer is that it is all weak. *The mass
> produced American beer is really weak bland stuff. Yet, people continue
> to drink it.

Unless you're drinking 3.2, American beer is no weaker than standard
pilsners brewed anywhere.

On 27/02/2013 2:10 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On Feb 27, 7:38 am, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> On 27/02/2013 9:58 AM, graham wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
>>> My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
>>> Graham
>>
>> That's an odd story. The reports I read indicate that the suit is based
>> on what some people claim that former AB employees told them about the
>> beer being watered down. AB OTOH, claims to have sensitive and reliable
>> equipment that tests the product for it's alcohol content and adds water
>> to dilute it if it is too high. I didn't see any comments about the
>> products tasting weaker or people not drinking it anymore. One of the
>> reasons I don't like American beer is that it is all weak. The mass
>> produced American beer is really weak bland stuff. Yet, people continue
>> to drink it.
>
> Unless you're drinking 3.2, American beer is no weaker than standard
> pilsners brewed anywhere.
>


Weak tasting, not necessarily low alcohol.

On 2013-02-27, graham > wrote:

> My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?

heh heh....

OTOH, the trend is rampant among much better beers, also. I've seen
at least a half dozen premium IPAs drop their abv content. Usta be
most were commonly about 7.2 abv. Now, no surprise to see many
dropping to 7.0 or even below to 6.9-6.8 abv. Either the abv drops or
6-paks become 4-paks at little or no price change.

nb

On 27/02/2013 10:51 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-02-27, graham > wrote:
>
>> My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
>
> heh heh....
>
> OTOH, the trend is rampant among much better beers, also. I've seen
> at least a half dozen premium IPAs drop their abv content. Usta be
> most were commonly about 7.2 abv. Now, no surprise to see many
> dropping to 7.0 or even below to 6.9-6.8 abv. Either the abv drops or
> 6-paks become 4-paks at little or no price change.
>


Speaking of IPA.... my son, who ran a microbrewery restaurant for
several years, told me that IPA is a favourite among brewers. Those guys
tend to like that nice hoppy flavour. However, a number of brewers
are known to add a bunch of hops to bad beers to make it more like an
IPA, masking the stuff that put it off in the first place, so what you
sometimes get on tap as an IPA may not really be an IPA but something
else to which hops were added in the hope of salvaging it.

On 2/27/2013 10:55 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 27/02/2013 10:51 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2013-02-27, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
>>
>> heh heh....
>>
>> OTOH, the trend is rampant among much better beers, also. I've seen
>> at least a half dozen premium IPAs drop their abv content. Usta be
>> most were commonly about 7.2 abv. Now, no surprise to see many
>> dropping to 7.0 or even below to 6.9-6.8 abv. Either the abv drops or
>> 6-paks become 4-paks at little or no price change.
>>
>
>
> Speaking of IPA.... my son, who ran a microbrewery restaurant for
> several years, told me that IPA is a favourite among brewers. Those guys
> tend to like that nice hoppy flavour. However, a number of brewers
> are known to add a bunch of hops to bad beers to make it more like an
> IPA, masking the stuff that put it off in the first place, so what you
> sometimes get on tap as an IPA may not really be an IPA but something
> else to which hops were added in the hope of salvaging it.
>

Well, if adding hops doesn't really work, you probably won't drink that
draft again. Certainly, I've disliked draft beers that waiters have
recommended and try to remember them because other drafts served are
sometimes quite good.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:55:12 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 27/02/2013 10:51 AM, notbob wrote:
>
> > On 2013-02-27, graham > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
>
> >
>
> > heh heh....
>
> >
>
> > OTOH, the trend is rampant among much better beers, also. I've seen
>
> > at least a half dozen premium IPAs drop their abv content. Usta be
>
> > most were commonly about 7.2 abv. Now, no surprise to see many
>
> > dropping to 7.0 or even below to 6.9-6.8 abv. Either the abv drops or
>
> > 6-paks become 4-paks at little or no price change.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Speaking of IPA.... my son, who ran a microbrewery restaurant for
>
> several years, told me that IPA is a favourite among brewers. Those guys
>
> tend to like that nice hoppy flavour. However, a number of brewers
>
> are known to add a bunch of hops to bad beers to make it more like an
>
> IPA, masking the stuff that put it off in the first place, so what you
>
> sometimes get on tap as an IPA may not really be an IPA but something
>
> else to which hops were added in the hope of salvaging it.

Pretty much the only time I'd find myself in a brew pub would be out of
town, where I have to go out to eat anyway. I always ask if they make
an American Pale Ale, along the lines of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. IMO,
APAs benefit from being served fresh more than most other styles.

I'm tempted to order this hops extract to see if a drop or two would
greatly improve the flavor of canoe beer.
http://www.hoptech.com/products/pure...e-hop-oil-2-oz
Imagine if for 2-5 cents a can, you could noticeably add some flavor
to the otherwise nearly flavorless. I wasn't just calling it canoe
beer, but beer that we bring in the canoe. You can't bring bottled
beer on the river, which is a good thing, so making canned beer taste
good would rock.

--Bryan

On 2013-02-27, Dave Smith > wrote:

> are known to add a bunch of hops to bad beers to make it more like an
> IPA...

You know the ol' saying about Americans. Our working credo is: If a
lot is good, more is better! Yes, we tend to over do it. And there
is certainly a lot of really crappy micro-beer out there. I have two
pizza-microbreweries near me. Neither make an IPA worth spit.

OTOH, other big rep breweries like Dog Fish Head make ultra hoppy
beers to critical acclaim. I have no idea why, as I don't think their
60, 90, and 120 IPAs are worth a damn. They want $12 for a 12oz bottle
fer there 120 IPA! I wouldn't give 120 cents. Yet I LOVE mega hoppy
beers.

A real IPA has two things. At least 5.5% abv (US) and 40 IBU hops rating. There
are scientific reasons for both. I won't go into it, but they both
helped preserve the beer (ale) shipped from Merry Ol' to the Colonies,
primarily India. Hence the name, India Pale Ale. Before the
invention of IPAs, most beer (pale ales) spoiled in the tropical
climate on the long voyages before it could get to the guys in red
bengaling those lances. Bad mojo!

A good IPA has the flavor of a either a citrus fruit like grapefruit
or some other tree fruit. My brewing mentor's best IPA smelled like
carmelized peaches. Speaking of mojo, my current fave IPA is,
co-inkidinkily, Mojo IPA from Boulder Beer.

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/130/12322

It's 7.2 abv and smells of grapefruit. Yum!

nb

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> A good IPA has the flavor of a either a citrus fruit like grapefruit
> or some other tree fruit. My brewing mentor's best IPA smelled like
> carmelized peaches. Speaking of mojo, my current fave IPA is,
> co-inkidinkily, Mojo IPA from Boulder Beer.
>
> http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/130/12322
>
> It's 7.2 abv and smells of grapefruit. Yum!

My fave is Pliny the Elder, from Russian River. Alas, they recently
stopped distributing it here in WA state.

--
Julian Vrieslander

On Feb 27, 9:32*am, Julian Vrieslander
> wrote:
> In article >,
>
> *notbob > wrote:
> > A good IPA has the flavor of a either a citrus fruit like grapefruit
> > or some other tree fruit. *My brewing mentor's best IPA smelled like
> > carmelized peaches. *Speaking of mojo, my current fave IPA is,
> > co-inkidinkily, Mojo IPA from Boulder Beer.
>
> >http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/130/12322
>
> > It's 7.2 abv and smells of grapefruit. *Yum!
>
> My fave is Pliny the Elder, from Russian River. *Alas, they recently
> stopped distributing it here in WA state.

To my taste it's no better than Firestone Union Jack.

On 2013-02-27, Julian Vrieslander > wrote:

> My fave is Pliny the Elder, from Russian River. Alas, they recently
> stopped distributing it here in WA state.

Bummer! You have my deepest sympathy, Julian. PtE is my fave, also.
When I still lived in CA, I usta walk down to our pub and buy a couple
pints on tap. Since I've moved to CO, I gotta drive 150 miles to even
find a bottle.

nb

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:14:41 AM UTC-6, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-02-27, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>
>
> > are known to add a bunch of hops to bad beers to make it more like an
>
> > IPA...
>
>
>
> You know the ol' saying about Americans. Our working credo is: If a
>
> lot is good, more is better! Yes, we tend to over do it. And there
>
> is certainly a lot of really crappy micro-beer out there. I have two
>
> pizza-microbreweries near me. Neither make an IPA worth spit.
>
>
>
> OTOH, other big rep breweries like Dog Fish Head make ultra hoppy
>
> beers to critical acclaim. I have no idea why, as I don't think their
>
> 60, 90, and 120 IPAs are worth a damn. They want $12 for a 12oz bottle
>
> fer there 120 IPA! I wouldn't give 120 cents. Yet I LOVE mega hoppy
>
> beers.
>
>
>
> A real IPA has two things. At least 5.5% abv (US) and 40 IBU hops rating. There
>
> are scientific reasons for both. I won't go into it, but they both
>
> helped preserve the beer (ale) shipped from Merry Ol' to the Colonies,
>
> primarily India. Hence the name, India Pale Ale. Before the
>
> invention of IPAs, most beer (pale ales) spoiled in the tropical
>
> climate on the long voyages before it could get to the guys in red
>
> bengaling those lances. Bad mojo!
>
>
>
> A good IPA has the flavor of a either a citrus fruit like grapefruit
>
> or some other tree fruit. My brewing mentor's best IPA smelled like
>
> carmelized peaches. Speaking of mojo, my current fave IPA is,
>
> co-inkidinkily, Mojo IPA from Boulder Beer.
>
>
>
> http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/130/12322
>
>
>
> It's 7.2 abv and smells of grapefruit. Yum!
>
Beer has to really be delicious for me to enjoy 7+ %. A friend bought me a Bell's Two Hearted Ale draft a few days ago. That's 7.0, and was delicious.
This is my standard "good beer."
http://schlafly.com/beers/styles/dry-hopped-apa/
It's quite grapefruity, and also reminds me a bit of this.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._flowering.jpg
>
> nb

--Bryan

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:55:12 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Speaking of IPA.... my son, who ran a microbrewery restaurant for
> several years, told me that IPA is a favourite among brewers. Those guys
> tend to like that nice hoppy flavour. However, a number of brewers
> are known to add a bunch of hops to bad beers to make it more like an
> IPA, masking the stuff that put it off in the first place, so what you
> sometimes get on tap as an IPA may not really be an IPA but something
> else to which hops were added in the hope of salvaging it.

So we have a truth in labeling problem with micro-breweries too?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

graham wrote:

> Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
> My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?

duh ... The complaint is about the ***alcohol content*** being watered down.

The most peculiar aspect of the lawsuit is that it's based not on scientific
testing but on anecdotal "evidence" by disgruntled employees.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
> My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
> Graham

Probably have always done it. There is a very distinct watery taste to
their product. The rest is just acrid crap. They don't even use rye, they
use rice hulls for fermentables.

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:51:00 AM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "graham" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
>
> > My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
>
> > Graham
>
>
>
> Probably have always done it. There is a very distinct watery taste to
>
> their product. The rest is just acrid crap. They don't even use rye, they
>
> use rice hulls for fermentables.

Rye beer is icky, worse than wheat. Rice is essentially flavorless. Barley
tastes good. There is a beer called Schaefer that is made with corn. It
used to be super cheap, but boy it tasted bad.

--Bryan

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:52:06 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> wrote:

>
> Rye beer is icky, worse than wheat. Rice is essentially flavorless. Barley
> tastes good. There is a beer called Schaefer that is made with corn. It
> used to be super cheap, but boy it tasted bad.
>
I haven't met a wheat beer I didn't like and I like rye, so I'll keep
an eye out for rye beer on tap.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"Bryan" > wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:51:00 AM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
>>
>> > My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
>>
>> > Graham
>>
>>
>>
>> Probably have always done it. There is a very distinct watery taste to
>>
>> their product. The rest is just acrid crap. They don't even use rye,
>> they
>>
>> use rice hulls for fermentables.
>
> Rye beer is icky, worse than wheat. Rice is essentially flavorless.
> Barley
> tastes good. There is a beer called Schaefer that is made with corn. It
> used to be super cheap, but boy it tasted bad.


Oops, meant barley, not rye. Though I have had rye beer. Tastes OK not
especially great. But drinkable.

"graham" > wrote:
> Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
> My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
> Graham

Many years ago, one independent testor, tested all beers and gave results.
Bud light was 3.5, yet today they say something like 4 % .

I think you can test using a specific gravity tester.

I don't care, I drink bud light when drinking and driving.

Greg

On 2/27/2013 1:54 PM, gregz wrote:
> "graham" > wrote:
>> Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
>> My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
>> Graham
>
> Many years ago, one independent testor, tested all beers and gave results.
> Bud light was 3.5, yet today they say something like 4 % .
>
> I think you can test using a specific gravity tester.
>
> I don't care, I drink bud light when drinking and driving.
>
> Greg
>
Regular Bud is OK on a hot day, served cold enough to have ice crystals
floating in it.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:58:52 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

>Apparently they are being sued for watering down their beers.
>My question is: How would anyone be able to tell?
>Graham
>

I have no idea, they make "making love in a canoe" beer anyway!

John Kuthe...

What a buncha assaholas..they will owe me millions stretching back to eight Grade. I am getting riled up. I can nearly remember when that stuff started to not give such a bad hangover. The Devil's Urine treats folks thataway sometimes. I am immediately moving back to Shiner. Not sure what come over a young skull full of mush to drink yankee beer like that to start with. Im ****ed.

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:48:21 PM UTC-6, bigwheel wrote:
> What a buncha assaholas..they will owe me millions stretching back to
>
> eight Grade. I am getting riled up. I can nearly remember when that
>
> stuff started to not give such a bad hangover. The Devil's Urine treats
>
> folks thataway sometimes. I am immediately moving back to Shiner. Not
>
> sure what come over a young skull full of mush to drink yankee beer like
>
> that to start with. Im ****ed.
>
A guy at a nudist camp in Oklahoma gave me a Shiner Bock, probably 15
years ago. I don't know if I just got a bad bottle, or if it really was
that bad. I excused myself to the restroom so I could pour it out without
offending him. Tell you another awful beer, Dixie. A guy in New Orleans
declared me an honorary Coonass because I ate about a half pound of mudbugs
and sucked the heads of every one, accompanied by a 6 pack of Dixie.
>
> bigwheel

--Bryan

In article >,
Bryan > wrote:

> Tell you another awful beer, Dixie.

Don't think I've ever tried Dixie's pale beers, but when we lived in
North Carolina, we would sometimes buy Blackened Voodoo. It's a bit on
the cloying-sweet side, but good for washing down spicy BBQ.

> A guy in New Orleans
> declared me an honorary Coonass because I ate about a half pound of mudbugs
> and sucked the heads of every one, accompanied by a 6 pack of Dixie.

Sounds like a good time to me. We now live in the metro Seattle area,
and recently moved to a house on the banks of the Sammamish River.
There are mudbugs in there, and I'm thinking to go looking for some when
summer comes. People also get them from Lake Washington. Local
restaurants and fish shops sometimes have local crawfish, but not often.
I guess it must be hard to make a profit catching these guys.

Our local species of mudbug are actually fatter and tastier than the
ones caught in the South.

Last weekend, I watched on otter diving in the river and munching on
something. A good sign.

--
Julian Vrieslander

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:45:33 PM UTC-6, Julian Vrieslander wrote:
> In article >,
>
> Bryan > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Tell you another awful beer, Dixie.
>
>
>
> Don't think I've ever tried Dixie's pale beers, but when we lived in
>
> North Carolina, we would sometimes buy Blackened Voodoo. It's a bit on
>
> the cloying-sweet side, but good for washing down spicy BBQ.
>
>
>
> > A guy in New Orleans
>
> > declared me an honorary Coonass because I ate about a half pound of mudbugs
>
> > and sucked the heads of every one, accompanied by a 6 pack of Dixie.
>
>
>
> Sounds like a good time to me. We now live in the metro Seattle area,
>
> and recently moved to a house on the banks of the Sammamish River.
>
> There are mudbugs in there, and I'm thinking to go looking for some when
>
> summer comes. People also get them from Lake Washington. Local
>
> restaurants and fish shops sometimes have local crawfish, but not often.
>
> I guess it must be hard to make a profit catching these guys.
>
>
>
> Our local species of mudbug are actually fatter and tastier than the
>
> ones caught in the South.
>
The cleaner the water, the better tasting the crawdads.
>
> Last weekend, I watched on otter diving in the river and munching on
>
> something. A good sign.
>
Last Summer or the one before, we were out at this creek and there was this kid catching a bunch of them, and his father reached into the bucket and pulled one out and ate it alive. This place is less than an hour from St. Louis. Jeez.
>
> Julian Vrieslander

--Bryan

Bryan wrote:
>
> A guy at a nudist camp in Oklahoma gave me a Shiner Bock, probably 15
> years ago.

HAHA! Why am I not surprised that you visit nudist camps? You sex-crazed
punk rocker, you! hehehh And I'm just teasing, Bryan. No opinion, no
worries!

G.

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:13:27 PM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
>
> >
>
> > A guy at a nudist camp in Oklahoma gave me a Shiner Bock, probably 15
>
> > years ago.
>
>
>
> HAHA! Why am I not surprised that you visit nudist camps? You sex-crazed
>
> punk rocker, you! hehehh And I'm just teasing, Bryan. No opinion, no
>
> worries!
>
Nudist camps are very desexualized places. I bunch of people of all
ages, shapes and sizes laying out in the sun, playing volleyball,
shuffleboard or croquet is not sexy. Guys are often afraid to go to
a nudist camp because they're afraid they'll get an erection. If that
happens, I've never seen it, and it's obvious why.

Not that there aren't clothing optional resorts where hanky panky happens
after dark, but no more than in any other resort. The one where I worked
in the early 1990s had such issues, and I was too vocal about my opposition
to the oversexualization of a place that was supposed to be a refuge from
such, and I was "laid off." The place was eventually kicked out of the AANR,
See:
http://www.aanr.com/blog/aanr-suspen...-club-charter/
>
> G.

--Bryan

On 2/28/2013 4:22 PM, Bryan wrote:

>> HAHA! Why am I not surprised that you visit nudist camps? You sex-crazed
>>
>> punk rocker, you! hehehh And I'm just teasing, Bryan. No opinion, no
>>
>> worries!
>>
> Nudist camps are very desexualized places. I bunch of people of all
> ages, shapes and sizes laying out in the sun, playing volleyball,
> shuffleboard or croquet is not sexy. Guys are often afraid to go to
> a nudist camp because they're afraid they'll get an erection. If that
> happens, I've never seen it, and it's obvious why.
>
> Not that there aren't clothing optional resorts where hanky panky happens
> after dark, but no more than in any other resort. The one where I worked
> in the early 1990s had such issues, and I was too vocal about my opposition
> to the oversexualization of a place that was supposed to be a refuge from
> such, and I was "laid off." The place was eventually kicked out of the AANR,
> See:
> http://www.aanr.com/blog/aanr-suspen...-club-charter/
>
> --Bryan


Paradise Lakes has a bad reputation, with some nudists. At one point,
there were Lingerie Dances at night, and swinger's have been known to
party at Paradise Lakes. Most people know nothing about nudists and it
just gave nudism a bad name.

Becca

Not sure why anybody would want to look at nekked Okies. They are supposed to be documentary living proof the Native Americkan Injun Peeples had carnal relations with Buffaloes.

On Friday, March 1, 2013 1:03:44 PM UTC-6, bigwheel wrote:
>
> Not sure why anybody would want to look at nekked Okies.
>
It's not about *looking at*. Nudism is not about exhibitionism nor voyeurism.
I'm curious. If you were alone, out in the forest next to a creek, and you
were certain that no one would wander into your area, would you wear clothes?
Would you put on swimming trunks to take a swim in the creek? What if you
were out there with a wife/girlfriend/lover? Would you only get naked to
have sex, then put clothes back on? What about if it were a nuclear family
situation? A lot of folks are clothing optional around the house. What
about friends? Some folks suggested that Mr. Kuthe and I would not have been
nude when we were taking a swim or sunbathing when we were on a gravel bar
where we got out of our kayaks unless there was a sexual component. That's
stupid. If either of us thought that it was a prurient thing, we'd have
kept our shorts on. What about around strangers who are also nude?

I don't know the exact quote, but a wise person said that when you are young,
you are concerned with your appearance because you know that everyone is looking at you and judging your appearance. When you get older, you still
think that, but you don't care so much about it. Eventually you get old,
and finally realize that folks ever really weren't looking anyway.

Gary correctly characterized me as a "sex-crazed punk rocker," but a nudist
camp desexualizes social interaction. It really does. I know that seems
counter-intuitive, but it's true. Being nude outdoors *is* a very sensual
experience, but that's true whether or not one is with other people. You
feel free physically. The next time it is reasonably warm on my weekend
(Wed. & Thurs.), I plan on going out into the wilderness, probably alone,
but my nephew might go along. If it's warm enough, I will definitely take
*all* of my clothes off other than shoes.

>
> bigwheel

--Bryan

Hmmm..never heard of anybody not liking Shiner Bock. Musta been a lone skunky bottle. Now the worst beer ever invented is called Iron City. They drink it up North somewhere.

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:22:32 AM UTC-6, jay wrote:
> In article >,
>
> Bryan > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:48:21 PM UTC-6, bigwheel wrote:
>
> > > What a buncha assaholas..they will owe me millions stretching back to
>
> > >
>
> > > eight Grade. I am getting riled up. I can nearly remember when that
>
> > >
>
> > > stuff started to not give such a bad hangover. The Devil's Urine treats
>
> > >
>
> > > folks thataway sometimes. I am immediately moving back to Shiner. Not
>
> > >
>
> > > sure what come over a young skull full of mush to drink yankee beer like
>
> > >
>
> > > that to start with. Im ****ed.
>
> > >
>
> > A guy at a nudist camp in Oklahoma gave me a Shiner Bock, probably 15
>
> > years ago. I don't know if I just got a bad bottle, or if it really was
>
> > that bad. I excused myself to the restroom so I could pour it out without
>
> > offending him. Tell you another awful beer, Dixie. A guy in New Orleans
>
> > declared me an honorary Coonass because I ate about a half pound of mudbugs
>
> > and sucked the heads of every one, accompanied by a 6 pack of Dixie.
>
> > >
>
> > > bigwheel
>
> >
>
> > --Bryan
>
>
>
> Nudist camp in Oklahoma

Fun fact- the largest nudist camp (by acreage) in North America is in Oklahoma.

> and sucking heads in NO?

Crawfish heads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehmvXD-j2kA

> You are one odd unit.
>
I don't dispute that.
>
> Funny that the part that was distasteful for you was the beer.
>
Sucking the heads on the mudbugs wasn't bad because they were boiled in a lot of cayenne, which gets absorbed into the whatever tissue it is left in the head portion. It really covers up whatever flavor might be funky. The beer, OTOH, was just plain bad.
>
> jay

--Bryan