This is my adaptation of what I saw Christina Pirello make the other night.
It's super quick and good. But make sure that you have all of the
ingredients before you start! Heh! I blasted right in there and then
thought... Wait! Do I have cocoa powder? I did not. Not sure it would
work without it because it seems to need that to help thicken it. She used
a food processor to make hers so she used a cold vegan butter. I have no
food processor so I softened my sunseed butter and Nucoa for 20 seconds in
the microwave.

1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
1/4 cup cocoa powder
pinch salt
scant pinch cinnamon
scant pinch chili powder
scant pinch black pepper
1/3 cup brown rice syrup
2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts

Basically all I did was soften the seed butter and vegan margarine slightly
then mix everything but the nuts in my large pasta bowl. I used a good
stiff spoon. Then I mixed in the nuts. Then I pressed this into a foil
lined rectangular container. You want it to be about 1" thick. Chill for 3
hours then cut into squares.

This will not have that slightly grainy texture that a cooked fudge will but
it's nice and chew and not overly sweet. And best of all, it's super quick!
Well... The chilling time does take a while but I already got into it with
a spoon. Which I probably shouldn't have because chocolate tends to mess
with my GERD but so far, so good. I would imagine that in its softened
state it would be yummy to use with ice cream.

And yes, I know that brown rice syrup is purported to be high in arsenic but
this is only the second time in my life that I have used the product and I
don't intend to use it often. I imagine that honey (although not vegan)
would give you the same texture but it would for sure change the taste.

That should read 1/2 cup nuts. Sorry.
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> This is my adaptation of what I saw Christina Pirello make the other
> night. It's super quick and good. But make sure that you have all of the
> ingredients before you start! Heh! I blasted right in there and then
> thought... Wait! Do I have cocoa powder? I did not. Not sure it would
> work without it because it seems to need that to help thicken it. She
> used a food processor to make hers so she used a cold vegan butter. I
> have no food processor so I softened my sunseed butter and Nucoa for 20
> seconds in the microwave.
>
> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
> pinch salt
> scant pinch cinnamon
> scant pinch chili powder
> scant pinch black pepper
> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
>
> Basically all I did was soften the seed butter and vegan margarine
> slightly then mix everything but the nuts in my large pasta bowl. I used
> a good stiff spoon. Then I mixed in the nuts. Then I pressed this into a
> foil lined rectangular container. You want it to be about 1" thick.
> Chill for 3 hours then cut into squares.
>
> This will not have that slightly grainy texture that a cooked fudge will
> but it's nice and chew and not overly sweet. And best of all, it's super
> quick! Well... The chilling time does take a while but I already got into
> it with a spoon. Which I probably shouldn't have because chocolate tends
> to mess with my GERD but so far, so good. I would imagine that in its
> softened state it would be yummy to use with ice cream.
>
> And yes, I know that brown rice syrup is purported to be high in arsenic
> but this is only the second time in my life that I have used the product
> and I don't intend to use it often. I imagine that honey (although not
> vegan) would give you the same texture but it would for sure change the
> taste.
>

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> This is my adaptation of what I saw Christina Pirello make the other
> night. It's super quick and good. But make sure that you have all of the
> ingredients before you start! Heh! I blasted right in there and then
> thought... Wait! Do I have cocoa powder? I did not. Not sure it would
> work without it because it seems to need that to help thicken it. She
> used a food processor to make hers so she used a cold vegan butter. I
> have no food processor so I softened my sunseed butter and Nucoa for 20
> seconds in the microwave.
>
> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
> pinch salt
> scant pinch cinnamon
> scant pinch chili powder
> scant pinch black pepper
> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
2 cups expanded polystyrene, crumbled.

On 2/28/2013 2:59 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> This is my adaptation of what I saw Christina Pirello make the other night.
> It's super quick and good. But make sure that you have all of the
> ingredients before you start! Heh! I blasted right in there and then
> thought... Wait! Do I have cocoa powder? I did not. Not sure it would
> work without it because it seems to need that to help thicken it. She used
> a food processor to make hers so she used a cold vegan butter. I have no
> food processor so I softened my sunseed butter and Nucoa for 20 seconds in
> the microwave.
>
> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
> pinch salt
> scant pinch cinnamon
> scant pinch chili powder
> scant pinch black pepper
> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
>
> Basically all I did was soften the seed butter and vegan margarine slightly
> then mix everything but the nuts in my large pasta bowl. I used a good
> stiff spoon. Then I mixed in the nuts. Then I pressed this into a foil
> lined rectangular container. You want it to be about 1" thick. Chill for 3
> hours then cut into squares.
>
> This will not have that slightly grainy texture that a cooked fudge will but
> it's nice and chew and not overly sweet. And best of all, it's super quick!
> Well... The chilling time does take a while but I already got into it with
> a spoon. Which I probably shouldn't have because chocolate tends to mess
> with my GERD but so far, so good. I would imagine that in its softened
> state it would be yummy to use with ice cream.
>
> And yes, I know that brown rice syrup is purported to be high in arsenic but
> this is only the second time in my life that I have used the product and I
> don't intend to use it often. I imagine that honey (although not vegan)
> would give you the same texture but it would for sure change the taste.
>
>

The addition of pepper and chili powder is intriguing. OTOH, I like to
change a recipe when it has an ingredient that I don't have on hand or
contains deadly poison. Just something I've learned over the years...

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/28/2013 2:59 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> This is my adaptation of what I saw Christina Pirello make the other
>> night.
>> It's super quick and good. But make sure that you have all of the
>> ingredients before you start! Heh! I blasted right in there and then
>> thought... Wait! Do I have cocoa powder? I did not. Not sure it would
>> work without it because it seems to need that to help thicken it. She
>> used
>> a food processor to make hers so she used a cold vegan butter. I have no
>> food processor so I softened my sunseed butter and Nucoa for 20 seconds
>> in
>> the microwave.
>>
>> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
>> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
>> pinch salt
>> scant pinch cinnamon
>> scant pinch chili powder
>> scant pinch black pepper
>> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
>> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
>> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
>> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
>>
>> Basically all I did was soften the seed butter and vegan margarine
>> slightly
>> then mix everything but the nuts in my large pasta bowl. I used a good
>> stiff spoon. Then I mixed in the nuts. Then I pressed this into a foil
>> lined rectangular container. You want it to be about 1" thick. Chill
>> for 3
>> hours then cut into squares.
>>
>> This will not have that slightly grainy texture that a cooked fudge will
>> but
>> it's nice and chew and not overly sweet. And best of all, it's super
>> quick!
>> Well... The chilling time does take a while but I already got into it
>> with
>> a spoon. Which I probably shouldn't have because chocolate tends to mess
>> with my GERD but so far, so good. I would imagine that in its softened
>> state it would be yummy to use with ice cream.
>>
>> And yes, I know that brown rice syrup is purported to be high in arsenic
>> but
>> this is only the second time in my life that I have used the product and
>> I
>> don't intend to use it often. I imagine that honey (although not vegan)
>> would give you the same texture but it would for sure change the taste.
>>
>>
>
> The addition of pepper and chili powder is intriguing. OTOH, I like to
> change a recipe when it has an ingredient that I don't have on hand or
> contains deadly poison. Just something I've learned over the years...

I tried to follow this as closely as I could the first time because I wasn't
sure how it would come out. And I didn't use honey because I really dislike
the stuff. Not sure that corn syrup would work because I think it is too
runny, plus I had none. So far so good on the GERD front. But daughter
didn't like it with the walnuts. Will try to make it again without those
but not sure it will hold up as well.

On 2/28/2013 6:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I tried to follow this as closely as I could the first time because I wasn't
> sure how it would come out. And I didn't use honey because I really dislike
> the stuff. Not sure that corn syrup would work because I think it is too
> runny, plus I had none. So far so good on the GERD front. But daughter
> didn't like it with the walnuts. Will try to make it again without those
> but not sure it will hold up as well.
>
>

You might want to try Korean cactus honey which is available in Korean
markets. I don't know anything about it except that it's popular cause
they have a bunch of that stuff on the shelves. It comes in liquid and
powder form.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/28/2013 6:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I tried to follow this as closely as I could the first time because I
>> wasn't
>> sure how it would come out. And I didn't use honey because I really
>> dislike
>> the stuff. Not sure that corn syrup would work because I think it is too
>> runny, plus I had none. So far so good on the GERD front. But daughter
>> didn't like it with the walnuts. Will try to make it again without those
>> but not sure it will hold up as well.
>>
>>
>
> You might want to try Korean cactus honey which is available in Korean
> markets. I don't know anything about it except that it's popular cause
> they have a bunch of that stuff on the shelves. It comes in liquid and
> powder form.

Well I don't think I'll be making this again unless daughter likes it
without the nuts. I tried it after it set up and I didn't care for it so
much. I don't know why really. But I also am not big into sweets. I just
thought I'd make it because I have a ton of sunseed butter. This was one of
those things that daughter was eating like mad until I bought a case of it.
And now consumption has dropped.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:59:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
>> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
>> pinch salt
>> scant pinch cinnamon
>> scant pinch chili powder
>> scant pinch black pepper
>> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
>> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
>> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
>> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
>
> That's not even close to being a fudge. Those crazy vegetarians will
> try and *******ize anything and everything to get their way.
>
> -sw

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:59:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
>> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
>> pinch salt
>> scant pinch cinnamon
>> scant pinch chili powder
>> scant pinch black pepper
>> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
>> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
>> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
>> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
>
> That's not even close to being a fudge. Those crazy vegetarians will
> try and *******ize anything and everything to get their way.
>
> -sw

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:59:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
>> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
>> pinch salt
>> scant pinch cinnamon
>> scant pinch chili powder
>> scant pinch black pepper
>> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
>> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
>> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
>> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
>
> That's not even close to being a fudge. Those crazy vegetarians will
> try and *******ize anything and everything to get their way.

The taste is that of fudge. And when I took a bite after I had mixed it, it
was fine. But it did not set up like fudge and it reminded me somewhat of
that cheese fudge that we bought at Costco that one time. It was yucky.
This wasn't yucky but I don't think I really ever want it again. The
texture is off.

Christine Dabney wrote:
> It really sounds horrible to me, to be honest. Maybe it is good, but
> not to my mind. If I am going to do fudge, I will make real fudge.
> Christine

No. Not horrible at all. We can't have real fudge for various reasons.
But I won't be making this again for myself anyway.

On 2/28/2013 10:03 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Well I don't think I'll be making this again unless daughter likes it
> without the nuts. I tried it after it set up and I didn't care for it so
> much. I don't know why really. But I also am not big into sweets. I just
> thought I'd make it because I have a ton of sunseed butter. This was one of
> those things that daughter was eating like mad until I bought a case of it.
> And now consumption has dropped.

Ha ha, kids... waddaya gonna do? My son makes great fudge. The weird
part is that I've never seen him cook anything else.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:59:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
>>> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
>>> pinch salt
>>> scant pinch cinnamon
>>> scant pinch chili powder
>>> scant pinch black pepper
>>> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
>>> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
>>> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
>>> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
>>
>> That's not even close to being a fudge. Those crazy vegetarians will
>> try and *******ize anything and everything to get their way.
>
> The taste is that of fudge. And when I took a bite after I had mixed it,
> it was fine. But it did not set up like fudge and it reminded me somewhat
> of that cheese fudge that we bought at Costco that one time. It was
> yucky. This wasn't yucky but I don't think I really ever want it again.
> The texture is off.

OK, I'll chime in here. This recipe is typical of vegan crap. They can
call it whatever they want to but it is not fudge. And who'd a thought
cocoa powder was optional but more than a "thickener?" I mean of course you
can make fudge without cocoa powder if you're willing to give up the
thickener, right?

P U. But yes, in this mallard of merde, please do use your best vanilla.
And if "vegans" are so against sugar, why the hell would they eat cocoa?
From their cherished "moral and ethical" pedestal chocolate is worse by
factors.

Pass

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:59:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
>>>> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
>>>> pinch salt
>>>> scant pinch cinnamon
>>>> scant pinch chili powder
>>>> scant pinch black pepper
>>>> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
>>>> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
>>>> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
>>>> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
>>>
>>> That's not even close to being a fudge. Those crazy vegetarians will
>>> try and *******ize anything and everything to get their way.
>>
>> The taste is that of fudge. And when I took a bite after I had mixed it,
>> it was fine. But it did not set up like fudge and it reminded me
>> somewhat of that cheese fudge that we bought at Costco that one time. It
>> was yucky. This wasn't yucky but I don't think I really ever want it
>> again. The texture is off.
>
> OK, I'll chime in here. This recipe is typical of vegan crap. They can
> call it whatever they want to but it is not fudge. And who'd a thought
> cocoa powder was optional but more than a "thickener?" I mean of course
> you can make fudge without cocoa powder if you're willing to give up the
> thickener, right?

I could be wrong here. I know that you can make nut butter fudge that is
cooked or even the somewhat quick kind with powdered sugar in it. I have
made both kinds. But for this one, the main ingredients are the nut/seed
butter and the sweetener. And the sweetener is a thick liquid. Because the
cocoa powder is a powder, I presume it is what is used to help hold it all
together. If it were not in there, you'd have a gooey mess.
>
> P U. But yes, in this mallard of merde, please do use your best vanilla.
> And if "vegans" are so against sugar, why the hell would they eat cocoa?
> From their cherished "moral and ethical" pedestal chocolate is worse by
> factors.
>
> Pass

Not all people are vegans for moral or ethical reasons. I once tried a
recipe for a raw candy that was like Tootsie Rolls. And seriously the end
result was exactly like a very cold Tootsie Roll. They need to be kept
refrigerated or they'll go too soft.

I also tried a brownie recipe that was raw vegan. It was nuts, dates, cocoa
powder and there may have been a little coconut oil in there. Can't
remember. Process in the food processor, press in pan, chill, cut, eat.
Everyone who tried these loved them and they tasted just like a good, baked
brownie.

Also have made many batches of raw vegan onion bread. It's perfect for
little finger sandwiches and it has the taste and texture of a good quality
whole grain bread, perhaps because of the high content of ground flax in the
mix.

I went on a vegan diet (and I say diet because I do use leather products and
such) pretty much by default. I don't digest most meats well and I can no
longer have dairy or eggs. And although I enjoyed the diet, the raw part
was a PITA due to all the sprouting of nuts and seeds and making so much
that has to be dehydrated at a low temp. I know some people do that diet by
eating mainly whole foods and smoothies. But I 'like smoothies either. In
the end, it wasn't something I could maintain because I also don't digest a
lot of raw veggies well. So... *shrug*

So now I do try to eat as many raw foods as I can. But I also eat cooked
foods and would consider myself semi-vegetarian. Meaning that most of the
time I do eat a vegetarian diet but I do eat some meat. I can not use the
term vegan or even semi-vegan because true vegans object to that.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:59:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
>>>>> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
>>>>> pinch salt
>>>>> scant pinch cinnamon
>>>>> scant pinch chili powder
>>>>> scant pinch black pepper
>>>>> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
>>>>> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
>>>>> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
>>>>> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
>>>>
>>>> That's not even close to being a fudge. Those crazy vegetarians will
>>>> try and *******ize anything and everything to get their way.
>>>
>>> The taste is that of fudge. And when I took a bite after I had mixed
>>> it, it was fine. But it did not set up like fudge and it reminded me
>>> somewhat of that cheese fudge that we bought at Costco that one time.
>>> It was yucky. This wasn't yucky but I don't think I really ever want it
>>> again. The texture is off.
>>
>> OK, I'll chime in here. This recipe is typical of vegan crap. They can
>> call it whatever they want to but it is not fudge. And who'd a thought
>> cocoa powder was optional but more than a "thickener?" I mean of course
>> you can make fudge without cocoa powder if you're willing to give up the
>> thickener, right?
>
> I could be wrong here. I know that you can make nut butter fudge that is
> cooked or even the somewhat quick kind with powdered sugar in it. I have
> made both kinds. But for this one, the main ingredients are the nut/seed
> butter and the sweetener. And the sweetener is a thick liquid. Because
> the cocoa powder is a powder, I presume it is what is used to help hold it
> all together. If it were not in there, you'd have a gooey mess.

Cocoa is the main flavor. Without it you do not have anything at all but a
mess. Fudge is sweet but the sugar is cooked to a point where it becomes
the main texture of the fudge. Cooked too little it is runny, cooked too
long it is rock hard. So the sugar is not a flavor, it is a fundamental
element. You cannot make fudge without sugar. And you cannot make real
fudge without a "contaminant" like corn syrup which is vital for the proper
consistency as it prevents the sugar from re-crystallizing thus yielding a
smooth texture. It is complex chemistry stuff, not just a flavor.

>>
>> P U. But yes, in this mallard of merde, please do use your best vanilla.
>> And if "vegans" are so against sugar, why the hell would they eat cocoa?
>> From their cherished "moral and ethical" pedestal chocolate is worse by
>> factors.
>>
>> Pass
>
> Not all people are vegans for moral or ethical reasons. I once tried a
> recipe for a raw candy that was like Tootsie Rolls. And seriously the
> end result was exactly like a very cold Tootsie Roll. They need to be
> kept refrigerated or they'll go too soft.

Tootsie Rolls are primarily wax.

> I also tried a brownie recipe that was raw vegan. It was nuts, dates,
> cocoa powder and there may have been a little coconut oil in there. Can't
> remember. Process in the food processor, press in pan, chill, cut, eat.
> Everyone who tried these loved them and they tasted just like a good,
> baked brownie.

It may taste OK but it is not a brownie. Sounds more like simple granola.
Which is good but it is not cake.

> Also have made many batches of raw vegan onion bread. It's perfect for
> little finger sandwiches and it has the taste and texture of a good
> quality whole grain bread, perhaps because of the high content of ground
> flax in the mix.

What bread is not vegan aside from maybe brioche and challah? Flour, water,
salt and yeast are what comprise most breads. All that is vegan. Although
there are many vegans who claim eating yeast is immoral. But notice how
vegans eschew sugar because it is "immoral" but ignore how "immoral" wheat
can be because hell - you have to eat SOMETHING. Vegan purist are some
seriously messed up people.

> I went on a vegan diet (and I say diet because I do use leather products
> and such) pretty much by default. I don't digest most meats well and I
> can no longer have dairy or eggs. And although I enjoyed the diet, the
> raw part was a PITA due to all the sprouting of nuts and seeds and making
> so much that has to be dehydrated at a low temp. I know some people do
> that diet by eating mainly whole foods and smoothies. But I 'like
> smoothies either. In the end, it wasn't something I could maintain
> because I also don't digest a lot of raw veggies well. So... *shrug*
>
> So now I do try to eat as many raw foods as I can. But I also eat cooked
> foods and would consider myself semi-vegetarian. Meaning that most of the
> time I do eat a vegetarian diet but I do eat some meat. I can not use the
> term vegan or even semi-vegan because true vegans object to that.

True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want any
piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it has
nothing to do with what they eat.


>
>

On 3/1/2013 5:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> So now I do try to eat as many raw foods as I can. But I also eat cooked
>> >foods and would consider myself semi-vegetarian. Meaning that most of the
>> >time I do eat a vegetarian diet but I do eat some meat. I can not use the
>> >term vegan or even semi-vegan because true vegans object to that.
>
> True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want any
> piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it has
> nothing to do with what they eat.
>
>
ROFL! I've never met a vegan who wasn't a little crazy. They almost
have a cult mentality.

Jill

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2/28/2013 6:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I tried to follow this as closely as I could the first time because I
>>> wasn't
>>> sure how it would come out. And I didn't use honey because I really
>>> dislike
>>> the stuff. Not sure that corn syrup would work because I think it is
>>> too
>>> runny, plus I had none. So far so good on the GERD front. But daughter
>>> didn't like it with the walnuts. Will try to make it again without
>>> those
>>> but not sure it will hold up as well.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You might want to try Korean cactus honey which is available in Korean
>> markets. I don't know anything about it except that it's popular cause
>> they have a bunch of that stuff on the shelves. It comes in liquid and
>> powder form.
>
> Well I don't think I'll be making this again unless daughter likes it
> without the nuts. I tried it after it set up and I didn't care for it so
> much. I don't know why really. But I also am not big into sweets. I
> just thought I'd make it because I have a ton of sunseed butter. This was
> one of those things that daughter was eating like mad until I bought a
> case of it. And now consumption has dropped.

Your daughter has you wrapped around her little finger. You are her slave
bitch. She is a nascent "withholder." She'll ruin every relationship she
ever enters into. You could buy her a case of premium Dutch chocolate an if
daughter senses you did it because you love her, she will decide she hates
chocolate altogether and will not touch another molecule of it to save her
life.

Blather, wince, repeat.




>
>

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/1/2013 5:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> So now I do try to eat as many raw foods as I can. But I also eat
>>> cooked
>>> >foods and would consider myself semi-vegetarian. Meaning that most of
>>> >the
>>> >time I do eat a vegetarian diet but I do eat some meat. I can not use
>>> >the
>>> >term vegan or even semi-vegan because true vegans object to that.
> >
>> True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want any
>> piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it has
>> nothing to do with what they eat.
>>
>>
> ROFL! I've never met a vegan who wasn't a little crazy. They almost have
> a cult mentality.
>

It is a true cult. Ask any "true vegan" what they think of a "dietary
vegan." They will revile them and elicit so much hatred you'd think they
want to slit their throats for co-opting the "vegan brand" for "immoral"
purposes.

On 3/1/2013 5:49 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Well I don't think I'll be making this again unless daughter likes it
>> without the nuts. I tried it after it set up and I didn't care for it so
>> much. I don't know why really. But I also am not big into sweets. I
>> just thought I'd make it because I have a ton of sunseed butter. This was
>> one of those things that daughter was eating like mad until I bought a
>> case of it. And now consumption has dropped.
>
> Your daughter has you wrapped around her little finger. You are her slave
> bitch. She is a nascent "withholder." She'll ruin every relationship she
> ever enters into. You could buy her a case of premium Dutch chocolate an if
> daughter senses you did it because you love her, she will decide she hates
> chocolate altogether and will not touch another molecule of it to save her
> life.
>
> Blather, wince, repeat.
>
>
I can't figure out who is wearing the proverbial pants in this
household. Or, cart, horse, which is in front? Her daughter is 14. If
she doesn't like what Julie cooks she needs to figure out how to cook
something for herself. She knows where the kitchen is.

I suspect she's not a very bright child. If she knew her mother was
making this and she knew she didn't like walnuts why didn't she speak
up? (Of course now we're going to hear the girl has never tasted a
walnut in all her 14 years!)

Julie seems to bend over backwards to find just the "right" thing for
her daughter, who instantly dislikes it. Nothing ever pleases this kid.

Still, Julie doesn't seem thrilled with (m)any of the results of cooking
something they like, either. IMHO they need to stick to going out to
eat. Then they can complain about the food someone else cooked.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/1/2013 5:49 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Well I don't think I'll be making this again unless daughter likes it
>>> without the nuts. I tried it after it set up and I didn't care for it
>>> so
>>> much. I don't know why really. But I also am not big into sweets. I
>>> just thought I'd make it because I have a ton of sunseed butter. This
>>> was
>>> one of those things that daughter was eating like mad until I bought a
>>> case of it. And now consumption has dropped.
>>
>> Your daughter has you wrapped around her little finger. You are her
>> slave
>> bitch. She is a nascent "withholder." She'll ruin every relationship
>> she
>> ever enters into. You could buy her a case of premium Dutch chocolate an
>> if
>> daughter senses you did it because you love her, she will decide she
>> hates
>> chocolate altogether and will not touch another molecule of it to save
>> her
>> life.
>>
>> Blather, wince, repeat.
>>
>>
> I can't figure out who is wearing the proverbial pants in this household.
> Or, cart, horse, which is in front? Her daughter is 14. If she doesn't
> like what Julie cooks she needs to figure out how to cook something for
> herself. She knows where the kitchen is.
>

Helplessness is part of he dynamic. They can do almost anything normal
people can do. But they have you believe they cannot, thus you do it for
them. And then they reject you for doing it. As long as daughter thought
the food was an accidental like she was cool with it. When mom showed her
genuine love by providing it in ample amounts, it became reviled.

> I suspect she's not a very bright child. If she knew her mother was
> making this and she knew she didn't like walnuts why didn't she speak up?
> (Of course now we're going to hear the girl has never tasted a walnut in
> all her 14 years!)

Oh she knows all about walnuts. Probably liked them until just now. She
needs something to reject so mom stays in her place and keeps on putting
out. That way mom will try harder the next time and daughter will reject
harder the next time. Hence the blather, wince, repeat.

> Julie seems to bend over backwards to find just the "right" thing for her
> daughter, who instantly dislikes it. Nothing ever pleases this kid.

She is like any child - a master of manipulation. A stronger parent could
contain it.

> Still, Julie doesn't seem thrilled with (m)any of the results of cooking
> something they like, either. IMHO they need to stick to going out to eat.
> Then they can complain about the food someone else cooked.

Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer.

On 3/1/2013 6:30 AM, John J wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 03:02:59 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 3/1/2013 5:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>> So now I do try to eat as many raw foods as I can. But I also eat
>>>>> cooked
>>>>>> foods and would consider myself semi-vegetarian. Meaning that most of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> time I do eat a vegetarian diet but I do eat some meat. I can not use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> term vegan or even semi-vegan because true vegans object to that.
>>>>
>>>> True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want any
>>>> piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it has
>>>> nothing to do with what they eat.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ROFL! I've never met a vegan who wasn't a little crazy. They almost have
>>> a cult mentality.
>>>
>>
>> It is a true cult. Ask any "true vegan" what they think of a "dietary
>> vegan." They will revile them and elicit so much hatred you'd think they
>> want to slit their throats for co-opting the "vegan brand" for "immoral"
>> purposes.
>
> A bit like how you talk about vegans.
>
>
I don't know about where Paul lives, but I don't run into vegans on
every street corner. They're easy enough to avoid if you stay out of
the "health food and healing crystals" type places. LOL I also manage
to avoid Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons on bicycles

Jill

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:59:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
>>>>>> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
>>>>>> pinch salt
>>>>>> scant pinch cinnamon
>>>>>> scant pinch chili powder
>>>>>> scant pinch black pepper
>>>>>> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
>>>>>> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
>>>>>> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
>>>>>> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not even close to being a fudge. Those crazy vegetarians will
>>>>> try and *******ize anything and everything to get their way.
>>>>
>>>> The taste is that of fudge. And when I took a bite after I had mixed
>>>> it, it was fine. But it did not set up like fudge and it reminded me
>>>> somewhat of that cheese fudge that we bought at Costco that one time.
>>>> It was yucky. This wasn't yucky but I don't think I really ever want it
>>>> again. The texture is off.
>>>
>>> OK, I'll chime in here. This recipe is typical of vegan crap. They can
>>> call it whatever they want to but it is not fudge. And who'd a thought
>>> cocoa powder was optional but more than a "thickener?" I mean of course
>>> you can make fudge without cocoa powder if you're willing to give up the
>>> thickener, right?
>>
>> I could be wrong here. I know that you can make nut butter fudge that is
>> cooked or even the somewhat quick kind with powdered sugar in it. I have
>> made both kinds. But for this one, the main ingredients are the nut/seed
>> butter and the sweetener. And the sweetener is a thick liquid. Because
>> the cocoa powder is a powder, I presume it is what is used to help hold
>> it all together. If it were not in there, you'd have a gooey mess.
>
> Cocoa is the main flavor. Without it you do not have anything at all but
> a mess. Fudge is sweet but the sugar is cooked to a point where it
> becomes the main texture of the fudge. Cooked too little it is runny,
> cooked too long it is rock hard. So the sugar is not a flavor, it is a
> fundamental element. You cannot make fudge without sugar. And you cannot
> make real fudge without a "contaminant" like corn syrup which is vital for
> the proper consistency as it prevents the sugar from re-crystallizing thus
> yielding a smooth texture. It is complex chemistry stuff, not just a
> flavor.

Yes, I know that. But that is still what she called this.
>
>>>
>>> P U. But yes, in this mallard of merde, please do use your best
>>> vanilla. And if "vegans" are so against sugar, why the hell would they
>>> eat cocoa? From their cherished "moral and ethical" pedestal chocolate
>>> is worse by factors.
>>>
>>> Pass
>>
>> Not all people are vegans for moral or ethical reasons. I once tried a
>> recipe for a raw candy that was like Tootsie Rolls. And seriously the
>> end result was exactly like a very cold Tootsie Roll. They need to be
>> kept refrigerated or they'll go too soft.
>
> Tootsie Rolls are primarily wax.

I don't think so.
>
>> I also tried a brownie recipe that was raw vegan. It was nuts, dates,
>> cocoa powder and there may have been a little coconut oil in there.
>> Can't remember. Process in the food processor, press in pan, chill, cut,
>> eat. Everyone who tried these loved them and they tasted just like a
>> good, baked brownie.
>
> It may taste OK but it is not a brownie. Sounds more like simple granola.
> Which is good but it is not cake.

Was nothing at all like granola. Granola is crunchy! This tasted and had
the texture exactly like a baked chocolate brownie. With nuts in it of
course.
>
>> Also have made many batches of raw vegan onion bread. It's perfect for
>> little finger sandwiches and it has the taste and texture of a good
>> quality whole grain bread, perhaps because of the high content of ground
>> flax in the mix.
>
> What bread is not vegan aside from maybe brioche and challah? Flour,
> water, salt and yeast are what comprise most breads. All that is vegan.
> Although there are many vegans who claim eating yeast is immoral. But
> notice how vegans eschew sugar because it is "immoral" but ignore how
> "immoral" wheat can be because hell - you have to eat SOMETHING. Vegan
> purist are some seriously messed up people.

Well a lot of bread has sugar or honey in it. Honey is not vegan and unless
the sugar says vegan, it's not. But this was a raw vegan diet. And yes,
some vegans will not eat yeast.
>
>> I went on a vegan diet (and I say diet because I do use leather products
>> and such) pretty much by default. I don't digest most meats well and I
>> can no longer have dairy or eggs. And although I enjoyed the diet, the
>> raw part was a PITA due to all the sprouting of nuts and seeds and making
>> so much that has to be dehydrated at a low temp. I know some people do
>> that diet by eating mainly whole foods and smoothies. But I 'like
>> smoothies either. In the end, it wasn't something I could maintain
>> because I also don't digest a lot of raw veggies well. So... *shrug*
>>
>> So now I do try to eat as many raw foods as I can. But I also eat cooked
>> foods and would consider myself semi-vegetarian. Meaning that most of
>> the time I do eat a vegetarian diet but I do eat some meat. I can not
>> use the term vegan or even semi-vegan because true vegans object to that.
>
> True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want any
> piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it has
> nothing to do with what they eat.

You really can't lump all people together like that. Yeah, I have run
across some messed up vegans and frankly some of what they think about
things is wacked. But they sure aren't all that way.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> I don't know about where Paul lives, but I don't run into vegans on every
> street corner. They're easy enough to avoid if you stay out of the
> "health food and healing crystals" type places. LOL I also manage to
> avoid Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons on bicycles
>
> Jill

I have met few vegans in real life. Mainly only online. Was in the health
food store that used to be around the corner from here but no longer is.
Guy came in and asked what sort of vegan things he should feed his cat. The
owner of the store kind of freaked and begged him not to put the cat on that
kind of diet. Cats are just not vegans! Yes, they do like some vegetables.
My cats love wheat grass. But they don't so much eat it as chew on it. Had
a cat as a kid who loved green beans. And Maui liked to be walked on her
leash by my garden so she could taste things. She also loved mashed
potatoes.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2/28/2013 6:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I tried to follow this as closely as I could the first time because I
>>>> wasn't
>>>> sure how it would come out. And I didn't use honey because I really
>>>> dislike
>>>> the stuff. Not sure that corn syrup would work because I think it is
>>>> too
>>>> runny, plus I had none. So far so good on the GERD front. But
>>>> daughter
>>>> didn't like it with the walnuts. Will try to make it again without
>>>> those
>>>> but not sure it will hold up as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You might want to try Korean cactus honey which is available in Korean
>>> markets. I don't know anything about it except that it's popular cause
>>> they have a bunch of that stuff on the shelves. It comes in liquid and
>>> powder form.
>>
>> Well I don't think I'll be making this again unless daughter likes it
>> without the nuts. I tried it after it set up and I didn't care for it so
>> much. I don't know why really. But I also am not big into sweets. I
>> just thought I'd make it because I have a ton of sunseed butter. This
>> was one of those things that daughter was eating like mad until I bought
>> a case of it. And now consumption has dropped.
>
> Your daughter has you wrapped around her little finger. You are her slave
> bitch. She is a nascent "withholder." She'll ruin every relationship she
> ever enters into. You could buy her a case of premium Dutch chocolate an
> if daughter senses you did it because you love her, she will decide she
> hates chocolate altogether and will not touch another molecule of it to
> save her life.
>
> Blather, wince, repeat.

Uh... No. I bought the case because it was much cheaper to do it that way.
I don't buy things because I "love" her. If that's why you buy things you
are really messed up!

On 3/1/2013 6:52 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> unless the sugar says vegan, it's not.


What the hell does that mean, exactly? Regular everyday table-sugar is
extracted from sugar cane or sugar beets. What isn't vegan about it?
Cane and beets are plants. Educate me.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/1/2013 5:49 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Well I don't think I'll be making this again unless daughter likes it
>>> without the nuts. I tried it after it set up and I didn't care for it
>>> so
>>> much. I don't know why really. But I also am not big into sweets. I
>>> just thought I'd make it because I have a ton of sunseed butter. This
>>> was
>>> one of those things that daughter was eating like mad until I bought a
>>> case of it. And now consumption has dropped.
>>
>> Your daughter has you wrapped around her little finger. You are her
>> slave
>> bitch. She is a nascent "withholder." She'll ruin every relationship
>> she
>> ever enters into. You could buy her a case of premium Dutch chocolate an
>> if
>> daughter senses you did it because you love her, she will decide she
>> hates
>> chocolate altogether and will not touch another molecule of it to save
>> her
>> life.
>>
>> Blather, wince, repeat.
>>
>>
> I can't figure out who is wearing the proverbial pants in this household.
> Or, cart, horse, which is in front? Her daughter is 14. If she doesn't
> like what Julie cooks she needs to figure out how to cook something for
> herself. She knows where the kitchen is.

Oh I *know* that she doesn't like walnuts. Neither does my brother but both
of them will occasionally eat things that have walnuts in them. I did
consider leaving them out but wasn't sure that they would firm up enough
without them in there. I see now that they would.
>
> I suspect she's not a very bright child. If she knew her mother was
> making this and she knew she didn't like walnuts why didn't she speak up?
> (Of course now we're going to hear the girl has never tasted a walnut in
> all her 14 years!)
>
She didn't know I was making it. I just made it on a whim. And she doesn't
control what I make! And of course she has eaten walnuts. As I said, she
will eat them in some things.

> Julie seems to bend over backwards to find just the "right" thing for her
> daughter, who instantly dislikes it. Nothing ever pleases this kid.
>
> Still, Julie doesn't seem thrilled with (m)any of the results of cooking
> something they like, either. IMHO they need to stick to going out to eat.
> Then they can complain about the food someone else cooked.

I didn't make the fudge for her. I didn't even make it for me really. I
just made it on a whim. Thought I had all of the ingredients but didn't
have the cocoa. That was no biggie. I was right by a store anyway so I
just picked some up.

As for going out to eat, that is something we are very sick of doing. It's
quite hard to dine out when you have food intolerances and that leaves
precious little to choose from. I am really sick of the hamburger patty and
plain baked potato or French fries. And at many restaurants that's pretty
much all that I can eat. Even harder for my daughter who is on the South
Beach diet. And yes, technically this fudge probably wouldn't fit the
parameters of the diet but a small taste of it would and that's all that she
had.

On 3/1/2013 6:55 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I don't know about where Paul lives, but I don't run into vegans on every
>> street corner. They're easy enough to avoid if you stay out of the
>> "health food and healing crystals" type places. LOL I also manage to
>> avoid Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons on bicycles
>>
>> Jill
>
> I have met few vegans in real life. Mainly only online. Was in the health
> food store that used to be around the corner from here but no longer is.
> Guy came in and asked what sort of vegan things he should feed his cat. The
> owner of the store kind of freaked and begged him not to put the cat on that
> kind of diet. Cats are just not vegans! Yes, they do like some vegetables.
> My cats love wheat grass. But they don't so much eat it as chew on it. Had
> a cat as a kid who loved green beans. And Maui liked to be walked on her
> leash by my garden so she could taste things. She also loved mashed
> potatoes.
>
>
Agreed, don't put cats on that sort of diet! Unless you want to kill
the cat, of course. Cats are generally labelled carnivores but I think
they're omnivores. Ever see a cat (or a dog, for that matter) chewing
on grass? It's not because they're sick. Possibly a vitamin
deficiency. Animals are pretty clever about knowing what they need.

They do need some vegetable matter in their diet. Persia loves wheat
grass and barley grass. She's not so crazy about rye grass. I have a
little planter and grow very small pots of fresh greens for her a few
times a year. Not to be offered in quantity! Even young tender grass
isn't easy for a cat to digest. Still, they crave a little of the green
stuff

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/1/2013 6:52 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> unless the sugar says vegan, it's not.
>
>
> What the hell does that mean, exactly? Regular everyday table-sugar is
> extracted from sugar cane or sugar beets. What isn't vegan about it? Cane
> and beets are plants. Educate me.

This has been posted many times here before. Bone char is generally used in
the making of sugar.

http://veganproducts.org/sugar.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_char

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/1/2013 6:55 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I don't know about where Paul lives, but I don't run into vegans on
>>> every
>>> street corner. They're easy enough to avoid if you stay out of the
>>> "health food and healing crystals" type places. LOL I also manage to
>>> avoid Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons on bicycles
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I have met few vegans in real life. Mainly only online. Was in the
>> health
>> food store that used to be around the corner from here but no longer is.
>> Guy came in and asked what sort of vegan things he should feed his cat.
>> The
>> owner of the store kind of freaked and begged him not to put the cat on
>> that
>> kind of diet. Cats are just not vegans! Yes, they do like some
>> vegetables.
>> My cats love wheat grass. But they don't so much eat it as chew on it.
>> Had
>> a cat as a kid who loved green beans. And Maui liked to be walked on her
>> leash by my garden so she could taste things. She also loved mashed
>> potatoes.
>>
>>
> Agreed, don't put cats on that sort of diet! Unless you want to kill the
> cat, of course. Cats are generally labelled carnivores but I think
> they're omnivores. Ever see a cat (or a dog, for that matter) chewing on
> grass? It's not because they're sick. Possibly a vitamin deficiency.
> Animals are pretty clever about knowing what they need.
>
> They do need some vegetable matter in their diet. Persia loves wheat
> grass and barley grass. She's not so crazy about rye grass. I have a
> little planter and grow very small pots of fresh greens for her a few
> times a year. Not to be offered in quantity! Even young tender grass
> isn't easy for a cat to digest. Still, they crave a little of the green
> stuff

Maui would never touch wheat grass but these cats love the stuff! They can
tell when it is in my shopping bag. They tried to eat my house plants too.
That was kind of sad because the pothos came with the house and I was
getting so many cuttings from it I was considering selling them. But I had
to get rid of all but the catcus because some were poisonous to cats. Jazzy
had one and only one brush with the cactus. I think that was enough to cure
her of getting near it! It's actually a bunch of little ones that I raised
from seed.

In article >, lid
says...
>
> On 2/28/2013 6:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > I tried to follow this as closely as I could the first time because I wasn't
> > sure how it would come out. And I didn't use honey because I really dislike
> > the stuff. Not sure that corn syrup would work because I think it is too
> > runny, plus I had none. So far so good on the GERD front. But daughter
> > didn't like it with the walnuts. Will try to make it again without those
> > but not sure it will hold up as well.
> >
> >
>
> You might want to try Korean cactus honey which is available in Korean
> markets. I don't know anything about it except that it's popular cause
> they have a bunch of that stuff on the shelves. It comes in liquid and
> powder form.

If it contains honey it won't be vegan.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:59:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
> >> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
> >> pinch salt
> >> scant pinch cinnamon
> >> scant pinch chili powder
> >> scant pinch black pepper
> >> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
> >> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
> >> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
> >> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
> >
> > That's not even close to being a fudge. Those crazy vegetarians will
> > try and *******ize anything and everything to get their way.
>
> The taste is that of fudge. And when I took a bite after I had mixed it, it
> was fine. But it did not set up like fudge and it reminded me somewhat of
> that cheese fudge that we bought at Costco that one time. It was yucky.
> This wasn't yucky but I don't think I really ever want it again. The
> texture is off.

Well that's odd, because at the start of the thread you said "...it's
good...it's nice and chew and not overly sweet.... I would imagine that
in its softened state it would be yummy to use with ice cream."

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>

> OK, I'll chime in here. This recipe is typical of vegan crap. They can
> call it whatever they want to but it is not fudge.

Why not just call it Shepherds Poo

Janet UK

On 3/1/2013 7:46 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 3/1/2013 6:52 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> unless the sugar says vegan, it's not.
>>
>>
>> What the hell does that mean, exactly? Regular everyday table-sugar is
>> extracted from sugar cane or sugar beets. What isn't vegan about it? Cane
>> and beets are plants. Educate me.
>
> This has been posted many times here before. Bone char is generally used in
> the making of sugar.
>
> http://veganproducts.org/sugar.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_char
>
>
Weird. I don't use a lot of sugar but since I'm not running a sugar
plantation it wouldn't occur to me to worry about how it's processed.
These people really are obsessed. I still plan to avoid associating
with any preachy vegan types. Also the only holistic medicine types.
They seem to be cut from similar cloth.

Jill

On 3/1/2013 7:59 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>
>> OK, I'll chime in here. This recipe is typical of vegan crap. They can
>> call it whatever they want to but it is not fudge.
>
> Why not just call it Shepherds Poo
>
> Janet UK
>
<giggling> Yes, why not?

Jill

>"Paul M. Cook" wrote in message ...


>And if "vegans" are so against sugar, why the hell would they eat cocoa?
>From their cherished "moral and ethical" pedestal chocolate is worse by
>factors.

There is no sugar in cocoa powder.

"news" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>"Paul M. Cook" wrote in message ...
>
>
>>And if "vegans" are so against sugar, why the hell would they eat cocoa?
>>From their cherished "moral and ethical" pedestal chocolate is worse by
>>factors.
>
> There is no sugar in cocoa powder.
>
That's not the point! Child slaves are being used to harvest the cocoa beans
in many places.

> On 3/1/2013 5:49 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:

You are her slave
> > bitch.

You have to understand that for some, domination/humiliation is a
preference, a masochistic fetish lived out in every relationship.

Janet UK

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/1/2013 5:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:

>> True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want any
>> piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it has
>> nothing to do with what they eat.
>>
>>
> ROFL! I've never met a vegan who wasn't a little crazy. They almost have
> a cult mentality.
>
> Jill


Totally.

Cheri

"graham" wrote in message ...


"news" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>"Paul M. Cook" wrote in message ...
>
>
>>And if "vegans" are so against sugar, why the hell would they eat cocoa?
>>From their cherished "moral and ethical" pedestal chocolate is worse by
>>factors.
>
> There is no sugar in cocoa powder.
>
>That's not the point! Child slaves are being used to harvest the cocoa
>beans in many places.

They should be happy to have jobs!

x-no-arhive: yes

On 3/1/2013 9:22 AM, graham wrote:

> That's not the point! Child slaves are being used to harvest the cocoa beans
> in many places.
>
>

Vegans often seem to value animal's lives above human suffering.

Just in my unscientific observation.

Susan