On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:22:47 +0000 (UTC), lid (Drew
Lawson) wrote:

> In article >
> writes:
> >On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:53:57 -0400, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/27/2013 2:22 PM, sf wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:38:02 -0400, S Viemeister
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 3/27/2013 12:25 PM, sf wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You're probably asking tea tollers,
> >> >>
> >> >> I had to read that out loud, before I realised what you meant. I've
> >> >> never seen that spelling before - is it common in California?
> >> >>
> >> > To be perfectly honest, I never know how to spell it and spellcheck
> >> > didn't kick it back to me so I figured I wasn't very far off. How do
> >> > you spell it anyway?
> >> >
> >> All one word - teetotaller (I've also seen it with only one 'l') -
> >> "T-totally abstinent".
> >
> >Teatotaller? Huh. I've never heard "total" in it. Thanks.
>
> "Total" is key. It originated before Prohibition. There were
> assorted stances on abstinence from alcohol. Some called for
> abstaining from spirits, and others for everything. That was
> emphasized in slogan as "Total, capital-T Total." That led to
> t-totalers or teetotalers.
>
> Didn't know that one until Ken Burns did his Prohibition series.

I thought it was toller as in bell toll, you know - ask them what they
want to drink and they chime: tea. <shrug> "Tea time" sounds just
like the ding dong of a doorbell to me. The tea drinkers I knew who
said it drank tea because they liked it, not because of some pledge.

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On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:05:03 -0400, pltrgyst >
wrote:

> The Publix stores around Sarasota and Bradenton FL have notices up that
> they will be closed on Easter Monday.
>
> I didn't notice whether or not they'll be closed on Sunday.
>
Easter Monday is a new one on me.

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On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:05:31 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:05:03 -0400, pltrgyst >
>wrote:
>
>> The Publix stores around Sarasota and Bradenton FL have notices up that
>> they will be closed on Easter Monday.
>>
>> I didn't notice whether or not they'll be closed on Sunday.
>>
>Easter Monday is a new one on me.

Dyngus Day

Big holiday in much of Europe, especially Poland. I used to work for
a company that gave it as a holiday.

It is a bank holiday in the UK. It is also a big holiday in Buffalo,
NY.

On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:46:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:05:31 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:05:03 -0400, pltrgyst >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> The Publix stores around Sarasota and Bradenton FL have notices up that
> >> they will be closed on Easter Monday.
> >>
> >> I didn't notice whether or not they'll be closed on Sunday.
> >>
> >Easter Monday is a new one on me.
>
> Dyngus Day
>
> Big holiday in much of Europe, especially Poland. I used to work for
> a company that gave it as a holiday.
>
> It is a bank holiday in the UK. It is also a big holiday in Buffalo,
> NY.

No kidding? I have to mark that one down. Sounds like part of an old
fashioned dating ritual.


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On Friday, March 22, 2013 11:01:53 PM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
> On 3/22/2013 10:20 AM, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
> > Libby replied to Jill:
>
> >
>
> >>> What did surprise me is they'll be closed on Easter. It's been a great
>
> >>
>
> >> Jill, Publix has always given their employees off on the Holidays of
>
> >> Christmas, Easter, and, I think Thanksgiving. We live in Greenville, SC
>
> >> and our son works at Bi-Lo, which is always open, except Christmas I
>
> >> think. Our son missed our Thanksgiving day meal about 10 years ago, and I
>
> >> was furious. Publix is a fine place to do business, just a little more
>
> >> spendy.
>
> >
>
> > When I worked at Publix in the late 1970s, they were closed *every* Sunday.
>
> > They even ran TV ads about it, saying, "See you at church." Obviously the
>
> > Almighty Dollar trumped the Almighty.
>
> >
>
> > Bob
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> When I was a kid almost every store was closed on Sundays.
>
>
>
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>
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Same here. It was unheard of to find a grocer, dept store or anything other than a drugstore open on Sunday. OH yeah, the local movie house was open - and always showed monster flics.

On 2014-03-01 19:33, Kalmia wrote:

>
> Same here. It was unheard of to find a grocer, dept store or
> anything other than a drugstore open on Sunday. OH yeah, the local
> movie house was open - and always showed monster flics.
>
Since I am retired I don't have to worry about holidays. For years we
all had a day off and those who had to work were paid extra. Stores were
closed. Now stores are open on most holidays. Holidays have become
shopping days. AFAIAC they may as well do way with Sunday and holiday
closings... do away with holidays. If everyone thinks that stores should
stay open so that they can shop on holidays, then their businesses can
be open too.

On 3/1/2014 7:33 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> On Friday, March 22, 2013 11:01:53 PM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 3/22/2013 10:20 AM, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>>> Libby replied to Jill:
>
> Same here. It was unheard of to find a grocer, dept store or anything other than a drugstore open on Sunday. OH yeah, the local movie house was open - and always showed monster flics.
>

What's surprising to me is someone resurrecting this dead thread from a
year ago. I don't plan to shop at Publix on Easter in 2014. I'm fine
with them having a day off. I couldn't tell you why I was surprised
about it last year. Perhaps because they were open on Thanksgiving and
Christmas. <shrugs>

Jill

>>> When I worked at Publix in the late 1970s, they were closed *every* Sunday.
>>
>>> They even ran TV ads about it, saying, "See you at church." Obviously the
>>
>>> Almighty Dollar trumped the Almighty.

Sunday is the highest $$ sales day for supermarkets so they won't close.
If they all closed, those sales would be done in six days and everyone
could have a day off. Used to be Sunday was a family day to visit
relatives or dinner at grandma's. Now it is a shopping day.

On 2014-03-01 22:10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>

> Sunday is the highest $$ sales day for supermarkets so they won't close.
> If they all closed, those sales would be done in six days and everyone
> could have a day off. Used to be Sunday was a family day to visit
> relatives or dinner at grandma's. Now it is a shopping day.


Same for most holidays here now.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
>>>> When I worked at Publix in the late 1970s, they were closed *every*
>>>> Sunday.
>>>
>>>> They even ran TV ads about it, saying, "See you at church." Obviously
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> Almighty Dollar trumped the Almighty.
>
> Sunday is the highest $$ sales day for supermarkets so they won't close.
> If they all closed, those sales would be done in six days and everyone
> could have a day off. Used to be Sunday was a family day to visit
> relatives or dinner at grandma's. Now it is a shopping day.

All the same here Has been for a long time.


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On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:43:42 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >>>> When I worked at Publix in the late 1970s, they were closed *every*
> >>>> Sunday.
> >>>
> >>>> They even ran TV ads about it, saying, "See you at church." Obviously
> >>>> the
> >>>
> >>>> Almighty Dollar trumped the Almighty.
> >
> > Sunday is the highest $$ sales day for supermarkets so they won't close.
> > If they all closed, those sales would be done in six days and everyone
> > could have a day off. Used to be Sunday was a family day to visit
> > relatives or dinner at grandma's. Now it is a shopping day.
>
> All the same here Has been for a long time.

No sad face here. I don't miss the olden days of stores buttoning up
at noon on Saturday and being closed all day Sunday. Where I lived,
stores also closed at noon on Wednesday and reopened Thursday AM.
It's a quaint practice, but that's the nicest thing I will say about
it.


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Good Friends.
Good Memories.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:43:42 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >>>> When I worked at Publix in the late 1970s, they were closed *every*
>> >>>> Sunday.
>> >>>
>> >>>> They even ran TV ads about it, saying, "See you at church."
>> >>>> Obviously
>> >>>> the
>> >>>
>> >>>> Almighty Dollar trumped the Almighty.
>> >
>> > Sunday is the highest $$ sales day for supermarkets so they won't
>> > close.
>> > If they all closed, those sales would be done in six days and everyone
>> > could have a day off. Used to be Sunday was a family day to visit
>> > relatives or dinner at grandma's. Now it is a shopping day.
>>
>> All the same here Has been for a long time.
>
> No sad face here. I don't miss the olden days of stores buttoning up
> at noon on Saturday and being closed all day Sunday. Where I lived,
> stores also closed at noon on Wednesday and reopened Thursday AM.
> It's a quaint practice, but that's the nicest thing I will say about

I guess I am harking back to the 'good old days'
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On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 04:41:04 -0800, sf > wrote:



>> >
>> > Sunday is the highest $$ sales day for supermarkets so they won't close.
>> > If they all closed, those sales would be done in six days and everyone
>> > could have a day off. Used to be Sunday was a family day to visit
>> > relatives or dinner at grandma's. Now it is a shopping day.
>>
>> All the same here Has been for a long time.
>
>No sad face here. I don't miss the olden days of stores buttoning up
>at noon on Saturday and being closed all day Sunday. Where I lived,
>stores also closed at noon on Wednesday and reopened Thursday AM.
>It's a quaint practice, but that's the nicest thing I will say about
>it.

The closed on Wednesday thing started during WW2 to save energy, IIRC.
That was annoying at times, but the Sunday closing was never a bother.
If you needed something important, small stores were open in the
morning, or, we could go to the Jewish neighborhood where the stores
were closed on Saturday but open on Sunday. One of the delis had a
special slicer in the back so you could get ham.

Growing up, the typical factory or office worked the five day week and
few people worked on Sunday. Of course you had police, hospitals, and
places that could not shut down, but that was a small portion of the
workforce.

I don't know for sure how society or the economy would be impacted
with Sunday closings. From my observations, we are putting the
convenience of shopping ahead of others having the same day off as the
rest of the family. For some, spending the day at Home Depot or the
mall is better than visiting friends and family.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:43:42 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >
>>> >>>> When I worked at Publix in the late 1970s, they were closed *every*
>>> >>>> Sunday.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> They even ran TV ads about it, saying, "See you at church."
>>> >>>> Obviously
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Almighty Dollar trumped the Almighty.
>>> >
>>> > Sunday is the highest $$ sales day for supermarkets so they won't
>>> > close.
>>> > If they all closed, those sales would be done in six days and everyone
>>> > could have a day off. Used to be Sunday was a family day to visit
>>> > relatives or dinner at grandma's. Now it is a shopping day.
>>>
>>> All the same here Has been for a long time.
>>
>> No sad face here. I don't miss the olden days of stores buttoning up
>> at noon on Saturday and being closed all day Sunday. Where I lived,
>> stores also closed at noon on Wednesday and reopened Thursday AM.
>> It's a quaint practice, but that's the nicest thing I will say about
>
> I guess I am harking back to the 'good old days'

I'll harken with you since I'm old enough to remember them.

Cheri

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...

> I don't know for sure how society or the economy would be impacted
> with Sunday closings. From my observations, we are putting the
> convenience of shopping ahead of others having the same day off as the
> rest of the family. For some, spending the day at Home Depot or the
> mall is better than visiting friends and family.

And a lot of people send their kids off to the mall while they do other
things these days.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:43:42 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> >
>>>> >>>> When I worked at Publix in the late 1970s, they were closed
>>>> >>>> *every*
>>>> >>>> Sunday.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> They even ran TV ads about it, saying, "See you at church."
>>>> >>>> Obviously
>>>> >>>> the
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Almighty Dollar trumped the Almighty.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sunday is the highest $$ sales day for supermarkets so they won't
>>>> > close.
>>>> > If they all closed, those sales would be done in six days and
>>>> > everyone
>>>> > could have a day off. Used to be Sunday was a family day to visit
>>>> > relatives or dinner at grandma's. Now it is a shopping day.
>>>>
>>>> All the same here Has been for a long time.
>>>
>>> No sad face here. I don't miss the olden days of stores buttoning up
>>> at noon on Saturday and being closed all day Sunday. Where I lived,
>>> stores also closed at noon on Wednesday and reopened Thursday AM.
>>> It's a quaint practice, but that's the nicest thing I will say about
>>
>> I guess I am harking back to the 'good old days'
>
> I'll harken with you since I'm old enough to remember them.

Aye they were good times eh? ;-)

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On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 08:25:14 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 04:41:04 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >
> >No sad face here. I don't miss the olden days of stores buttoning up
> >at noon on Saturday and being closed all day Sunday. Where I lived,
> >stores also closed at noon on Wednesday and reopened Thursday AM.
> >It's a quaint practice, but that's the nicest thing I will say about
> >it.
>
> The closed on Wednesday thing started during WW2 to save energy, IIRC.
> That was annoying at times, but the Sunday closing was never a bother.
> If you needed something important, small stores were open in the
> morning, or, we could go to the Jewish neighborhood where the stores
> were closed on Saturday but open on Sunday. One of the delis had a
> special slicer in the back so you could get ham.

I lived in the country and the entire town buttoned up tighter than a
drum. There were no non-believer or Christian Odd Ball (Saturday
worshiper) owned stores.
>
> Growing up, the typical factory or office worked the five day week and
> few people worked on Sunday. Of course you had police, hospitals, and
> places that could not shut down, but that was a small portion of the
> workforce.
>
> I don't know for sure how society or the economy would be impacted
> with Sunday closings. From my observations, we are putting the
> convenience of shopping ahead of others having the same day off as the
> rest of the family. For some, spending the day at Home Depot or the
> mall is better than visiting friends and family.

How on earth does a store staying open on Sunday interfere with
friends and family time? Either you socialize with them or you don't.
For that matter, either you attend church services or you don't. No
one is compelling you to shop on Sunday. It's your choice. I like
the convenience of long hours seven days a week and wish that my local
grocery store was open 24-7 instead of 6:00 AM-Midnight. I think it's
old fashioned and miserly to close when they're open so many hours
anyway.


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Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

>>> I guess I am harking back to the 'good old days'
>>
>> I'll harken with you since I'm old enough to remember them.
>
> Aye they were good times eh? ;-)


They were for me, others maybe not so much. :-)

Cheri

On 3/2/2014 9:41 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 08:25:14 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> I don't know for sure how society or the economy would be impacted
>> with Sunday closings. From my observations, we are putting the
>> convenience of shopping ahead of others having the same day off as the
>> rest of the family. For some, spending the day at Home Depot or the
>> mall is better than visiting friends and family.
>
> How on earth does a store staying open on Sunday interfere with
> friends and family time? Either you socialize with them or you don't.
> For that matter, either you attend church services or you don't. No
> one is compelling you to shop on Sunday. It's your choice.
(snippety)

Re-read what Ed wrote. "...we are putting the convenience of shopping
ahead of *others having the same day off* as the rest of the family."

People who have to *work* at those stores on Sunday don't have the
luxury of spending that day with family or friends. I'd be fine with
them being closed, or only open for a short time.

When I worked at JCPenney (back when dinosaurs roamed the earth) the
store was only open from 1-6 on Sunday. These days no one gets a break,
which is probably why I started this thread a year ago. I was surprised
they were going to let the employees have the day off.

Jill

On 3/2/2014 9:41 AM, sf wrote:

> How on earth does a store staying open on Sunday interfere with
> friends and family time? Either you socialize with them or you don't.
> For that matter, either you attend church services or you don't. No
> one is compelling you to shop on Sunday. It's your choice. I like
> the convenience of long hours seven days a week and wish that my local
> grocery store was open 24-7 instead of 6:00 AM-Midnight. I think it's
> old fashioned and miserly to close when they're open so many hours
> anyway.

It wasn't particularly funny at the time, but once I didn't have
anything to eat on a Sunday evening and not a single place open
to get so much as a Ring Ding. Ridiculous that I let myself get
into that situation but equally lame that no store were open, not
even a convenience store.

When my supermarket first expanded and re-opened, they had the
doors open 24 hours a day. I think they learned that was a losing
proposition because it didn't last too long. This town shuts
down at night. For that matter, it's only in the past few years
that the sub shop opened on Sunday. That was really inconvenient.

People who want Sundays off really need to find something to do
besides retail/restaurant jobs. That's just reality.

nancy

On 2014-03-02 9:41 AM, sf wrote:


>> Growing up, the typical factory or office worked the five day week and
>> few people worked on Sunday. Of course you had police, hospitals, and
>> places that could not shut down, but that was a small portion of the
>> workforce.
>>
>> I don't know for sure how society or the economy would be impacted
>> with Sunday closings. From my observations, we are putting the
>> convenience of shopping ahead of others having the same day off as the
>> rest of the family. For some, spending the day at Home Depot or the
>> mall is better than visiting friends and family.
>
> How on earth does a store staying open on Sunday interfere with
> friends and family time? Either you socialize with them or you don't.


I would think that it would be pretty obvious. When someone in the
family works in the retail sector there is a good chance they are going
to have to work on Sundays.


> For that matter, either you attend church services or you don't. No
> one is compelling you to shop on Sunday. It's your choice. I like
> the convenience of long hours seven days a week and wish that my local
> grocery store was open 24-7 instead of 6:00 AM-Midnight. I think it's
> old fashioned and miserly to close when they're open so many hours
> anyway.


Sure, you want your convenience. Screw the peons that have to cater to
your convenience shopping. My wife and I both worked, but we were able
to do our shopping through the week or on Saturdays. In a day and age
when everyone has refrigerators and freezers there is no need to have to
shop on Sunday.

Since some people insist on stores being open on Sundays perhaps we
should just do away with the concept of the weekend entirely. Schools,
courts, doctors and dentists, insurance companies, banks.... they should
all be open on Sunday. Forget about weekends away with friends and
family because they schedules won't jibe.Forget about weekend sports
tournaments for kids. Do away with the common day off entirely.

On 2014-03-02 10:15 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

> When my supermarket first expanded and re-opened, they had the
> doors open 24 hours a day. I think they learned that was a losing
> proposition because it didn't last too long. This town shuts
> down at night. For that matter, it's only in the past few years
> that the sub shop opened on Sunday. That was really inconvenient.

People don't have any more money to spend just because stores are open
all the time. It is just a matter of retail competition. We resisted
Sunday opening for a long time but we are close to the border. When they
had Sunday shopping in NY, people flocked over there on weekends. Local
retailers realized that they were losing a lot of sales to the US.



> People who want Sundays off really need to find something to do
> besides retail/restaurant jobs. That's just reality.

My suggestion is to open up everything on Sundays. We have rejected the
common day off for everyone else, so let's do it for everyone. All
banks, government offices, businesses, constructions and schools should
be open. No one can argue that they need a common day off because we
have already rejected for retail.

On 3/2/2014 9:41 AM, sf wrote:

>>
>> I don't know for sure how society or the economy would be impacted
>> with Sunday closings. From my observations, we are putting the
>> convenience of shopping ahead of others having the same day off as the
>> rest of the family. For some, spending the day at Home Depot or the
>> mall is better than visiting friends and family.
>
> How on earth does a store staying open on Sunday interfere with
> friends and family time? Either you socialize with them or you don't.

Well, most stores won't allow you to socialize with your cousin or
uncles if they are working at that store. They may have Tuesday off
when the majority of us are at our work. Makes it difficult to go
fishing together or a family picnic.


> For that matter, either you attend church services or you don't. No
> one is compelling you to shop on Sunday. It's your choice.

Right, and I rarely do. But some people have to work Sunday as a
condition of employment. In MA, they have to be paid overtime for
Sunday work even if they only work that day.


I like
> the convenience of long hours seven days a week and wish that my local
> grocery store was open 24-7 instead of 6:00 AM-Midnight. I think it's
> old fashioned and miserly to close when they're open so many hours
> anyway.

So you want others to be available all the time to suite you desires.
Have you worked the midnight shift much? You want others to though,
just for your convenience.
We have one store still open 24/7. The others found they don't get
enough customers to make it worthwhile. This is a small town surrounded
by smaller towns. Most of the traffic lights only blink after 10 PM.

On 3/2/2014 10:05 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> Re-read what Ed wrote. "...we are putting the convenience of shopping
> ahead of *others having the same day off* as the rest of the family."
>
> People who have to *work* at those stores on Sunday don't have the
> luxury of spending that day with family or friends. I'd be fine with
> them being closed, or only open for a short time.

Exactly it. In my 50+ years of working I've only worked maybe 12
Sundays and hated it. Very few Saturdays too anf many were short days.
I thought the midnight shift would be OK, but when I did that for a
couple of weeks I found myself tired and out of sync with the rest of
the world. Some people do like it though.

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:05:24 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> People who have to *work* at those stores on Sunday don't have the
> luxury of spending that day with family or friends. I'd be fine with
> them being closed, or only open for a short time.

No sympathy here. People who work at those stores still have days off
and they can thank unions for the 40 hour work week (if they can
manage to get that many these days). Why should I feel sorry for
store workers when there are other services that are open 24-7-365?
Service workers choose the field they are in with their eyes wide open
and they have weekends too, except their weekends often aren't named
Saturday and Sunday.


--

Good Food.
Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On 3/2/2014 10:15 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> When my supermarket first expanded and re-opened, they had the
> doors open 24 hours a day. I think they learned that was a losing
> proposition because it didn't last too long. This town shuts
> down at night. For that matter, it's only in the past few years
> that the sub shop opened on Sunday. That was really inconvenient.
>
If you're out of food, yes, that would be very inconvenient. Still, the
only people who really benefit from a grocery store being open after
midnight are people who work the graveyard shift. In an area like yours
(and mine) those types of jobs are probably not common. I can't say I
know anyone who shops for groceries after midnight.

> People who want Sundays off really need to find something to do
> besides retail/restaurant jobs. That's just reality.
>
> nancy

True, but not always possible. If it's the only type of work available
and you tell a potential employer you won't work on Sundays, they'll
just hire someone else.

Jill

On 3/2/2014 10:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-03-02 10:15 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> People who want Sundays off really need to find something to do
>> besides retail/restaurant jobs. That's just reality.
>
> My suggestion is to open up everything on Sundays. We have rejected the
> common day off for everyone else, so let's do it for everyone. All
> banks, government offices, businesses, constructions and schools should
> be open. No one can argue that they need a common day off because we
> have already rejected for retail.

That's just silly. Why should companies have to maintain hours
on the weekend when they are not involved in customer service.
They would have to pay for heat and lights, their electric bill
would go up. For what? Nothing.

They should also be open until 2am, by that logic, because bars
and restaurants often have crazy hours and they should be open in
solidarity.

Silly.

nancy

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:16:11 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-03-02 9:41 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >
> > How on earth does a store staying open on Sunday interfere with
> > friends and family time? Either you socialize with them or you don't.
>
>
> I would think that it would be pretty obvious. When someone in the
> family works in the retail sector there is a good chance they are going
> to have to work on Sundays.
>
>
> > For that matter, either you attend church services or you don't. No
> > one is compelling you to shop on Sunday. It's your choice. I like
> > the convenience of long hours seven days a week and wish that my local
> > grocery store was open 24-7 instead of 6:00 AM-Midnight. I think it's
> > old fashioned and miserly to close when they're open so many hours
> > anyway.
>
>
> Sure, you want your convenience. Screw the peons that have to cater to
> your convenience shopping. My wife and I both worked, but we were able
> to do our shopping through the week or on Saturdays. In a day and age
> when everyone has refrigerators and freezers there is no need to have to
> shop on Sunday.
>
> Since some people insist on stores being open on Sundays perhaps we
> should just do away with the concept of the weekend entirely. Schools,
> courts, doctors and dentists, insurance companies, banks.... they should
> all be open on Sunday. Forget about weekends away with friends and
> family because they schedules won't jibe.Forget about weekend sports
> tournaments for kids. Do away with the common day off entirely.
>
So basically, you're saying that grown ups are incapable of making
grown up decisions and need stores closed in order to do that. Fine.
Let's give all the police, fire fighters, snow plow drivers, airport,
hospital and hotel workers etc, etc Sunday off too. It's only fair.


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On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 14:31:25 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> news > >>>
> >>> No sad face here. I don't miss the olden days of stores buttoning up
> >>> at noon on Saturday and being closed all day Sunday. Where I lived,
> >>> stores also closed at noon on Wednesday and reopened Thursday AM.
> >>> It's a quaint practice, but that's the nicest thing I will say about
> >>
> >> I guess I am harking back to the 'good old days'
> >
> > I'll harken with you since I'm old enough to remember them.
>
> Aye they were good times eh? ;-)

Bah humbug. I like the way it is now and wouldn't go back to those
times for a million dollars.


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On 3/2/2014 10:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/2/2014 10:05 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>
>> Re-read what Ed wrote. "...we are putting the convenience of shopping
>> ahead of *others having the same day off* as the rest of the family."
>>
>> People who have to *work* at those stores on Sunday don't have the
>> luxury of spending that day with family or friends. I'd be fine with
>> them being closed, or only open for a short time.
>
> Exactly it. In my 50+ years of working I've only worked maybe 12
> Sundays and hated it. Very few Saturdays too anf many were short days.
> I thought the midnight shift would be OK, but when I did that for a
> couple of weeks I found myself tired and out of sync with the rest of
> the world. Some people do like it though.
>
sf might like to be able to shop after midnight, but other than people
who work the graveyard shift, who does that?

Jill

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:27:16 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> I like
> > the convenience of long hours seven days a week and wish that my local
> > grocery store was open 24-7 instead of 6:00 AM-Midnight. I think it's
> > old fashioned and miserly to close when they're open so many hours
> > anyway.
>
> So you want others to be available all the time to suite you desires.

It's a choice. They are not forced to work that shift.

> Have you worked the midnight shift much? You want others to though,
> just for your convenience.

Actually, I HAVE worked in a 24-7-365 service industry. Sounds like
you haven't and want to everything to fit your ideal. Tell me how you
fared in that hotel without someone battening down the hatches at
night, so you can check in late or have an extra pillow sent up. Tell
me how you managed to take that red-eye flight without someone keeping
the airport open or driving the airplane? How about that 3AM heart
attack, stroke or house fire... did you get any first responders? Is
your hospital open on Sunday? Does it stay open between 11 PM and
6AM, is it staffed? Like I said: no sympathy here for store workers.
They are in a service industry, just like all the other service
industry workers who are NOT complaining.


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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>>> I guess I am harking back to the 'good old days'
>>>
>>> I'll harken with you since I'm old enough to remember them.
>>
>> Aye they were good times eh? ;-)
>
>
> They were for me, others maybe not so much. :-)

Maybe, but I am with you on this We need to enjoy it while our memories
still work ok ;-)


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 14:31:25 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> news >> >>>
>> >>> No sad face here. I don't miss the olden days of stores buttoning up
>> >>> at noon on Saturday and being closed all day Sunday. Where I lived,
>> >>> stores also closed at noon on Wednesday and reopened Thursday AM.
>> >>> It's a quaint practice, but that's the nicest thing I will say about
>> >>
>> >> I guess I am harking back to the 'good old days'
>> >
>> > I'll harken with you since I'm old enough to remember them.
>>
>> Aye they were good times eh? ;-)
>
> Bah humbug. I like the way it is now and wouldn't go back to those
> times for a million dollars.

lolol sheesh what a scrooge)))


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On 2014-03-02 10:39 AM, sf wrote:
>
>> People who have to *work* at those stores on Sunday don't have the
>> luxury of spending that day with family or friends. I'd be fine with
>> them being closed, or only open for a short time.
>
> No sympathy here. People who work at those stores still have days off
> and they can thank unions for the 40 hour work week (if they can
> manage to get that many these days). Why should I feel sorry for
> store workers when there are other services that are open 24-7-365?
> Service workers choose the field they are in with their eyes wide open
> and they have weekends too, except their weekends often aren't named
> Saturday and Sunday.
>
>
Most of the others who have to work in 24/7 operations are much better
paid. Since most people have to work 9-5 Mon. to Fri, but need to see
lawyers, dentists, doctors etc., it would be more convenient for us if
they were also on a 24/7 schedule.

Some types of business have to run 24/7. Retail does not. They only do
it because others are opening and taking their share of the business.
If they were all closed Sunday they would not have to worry about it.

There is a similar problem with casinos in many places. Governments
know that gambling is bad for the public, but they know that there is a
lot of money to be made from it. Ontario finally broke down and allowed
casinos to be built.....at Niagara Falls and Windsor, obviously
intending to get American business. It worked well until NY and MI
smartened up and opened casinos on their side of the border.

On 2014-03-02 10:44 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 3/2/2014 10:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-03-02 10:15 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> People who want Sundays off really need to find something to do
>>> besides retail/restaurant jobs. That's just reality.
>>
>> My suggestion is to open up everything on Sundays. We have rejected the
>> common day off for everyone else, so let's do it for everyone. All
>> banks, government offices, businesses, constructions and schools should
>> be open. No one can argue that they need a common day off because we
>> have already rejected for retail.
>
> That's just silly. Why should companies have to maintain hours
> on the weekend when they are not involved in customer service.
> They would have to pay for heat and lights, their electric bill
> would go up. For what? Nothing.

Why is it silly? They are involved in customer service. Stores have to
pay more for lighting and heating to be opened Sundays and overnight.
They also have to pay staff to be there. They don't sell any more in 7
days than they do in 6.

Schools were traditionally open 5 days a week in sync with the business
world. Kids only spend 5-6 hours a day in class, so schools sit empty.
They bring in a shift system and double up. The school buses could bring
in kids from one zone for the morning shift. The same buses could pick
up a bunch of kids for the afternoon shift when they come to pick up the
day shift.
>
> They should also be open until 2am, by that logic, because bars
> and restaurants often have crazy hours and they should be open in
> solidarity.

Open in solidarity?? Are you suggesting that only those two sectors
should be in solidarity? It seems to be that true solidarity would
mean that everyone does it.

On 2014-03-02 10:46 AM, sf wrote:

>> Since some people insist on stores being open on Sundays perhaps we
>> should just do away with the concept of the weekend entirely. Schools,
>> courts, doctors and dentists, insurance companies, banks.... they should
>> all be open on Sunday. Forget about weekends away with friends and
>> family because they schedules won't jibe.Forget about weekend sports
>> tournaments for kids. Do away with the common day off entirely.
>>
> So basically, you're saying that grown ups are incapable of making
> grown up decisions and need stores closed in order to do that. Fine.
> Let's give all the police, fire fighters, snow plow drivers, airport,
> hospital and hotel workers etc, etc Sunday off too. It's only fair.
>

I don't think I ever said that grown ups have to have stores closed in
order for them to make grown up decisions. I thought I was quite clear
about the value of a common day off and that if people who are lucky
enough to have weekends off and expect other people to work to appease
their personal choices, then we should do away with the common day off
and have all businesses operating 7 days a week.

Think of the advantages. If you are stuck in a Monday to Friday job and
have to see a lawyer or a dentist who can schedule an appointment for
Sunday. If you are buying a house you should be able to go into the bank
on a Saturday to finalize the financing and then see your lawyer on
Sunday to sign the papers. You won't have to take a day off. Have to
talk to your kid's teachers?... do it on Sunday... during school hours.
Driver license test?.. 10 am Saturday night would be a relaxed time.
After you complete the test you can stop at the grocery store.

On 2014-03-02 10:49 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/2/2014 10:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/2/2014 10:05 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Re-read what Ed wrote. "...we are putting the convenience of shopping
>>> ahead of *others having the same day off* as the rest of the family."
>>>
>>> People who have to *work* at those stores on Sunday don't have the
>>> luxury of spending that day with family or friends. I'd be fine with
>>> them being closed, or only open for a short time.
>>
>> Exactly it. In my 50+ years of working I've only worked maybe 12
>> Sundays and hated it. Very few Saturdays too anf many were short days.
>> I thought the midnight shift would be OK, but when I did that for a
>> couple of weeks I found myself tired and out of sync with the rest of
>> the world. Some people do like it though.
>>
> sf might like to be able to shop after midnight, but other than people
> who work the graveyard shift, who does that?
>
I did it a couple times. When there were real advantages to cross border
shopping I was working a shift that ended at 5am. I could scoot across
the border, pick up a few things and then go home. I only did it a few
times.

On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 12:47:04 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Think of the advantages. If you are stuck in a Monday to Friday job and
> have to see a lawyer or a dentist who can schedule an appointment for
> Sunday. If you are buying a house you should be able to go into the bank
> on a Saturday to finalize the financing and then see your lawyer on
> Sunday to sign the papers. You won't have to take a day off. Have to
> talk to your kid's teachers?... do it on Sunday... during school hours.
> Driver license test?.. 10 am Saturday night would be a relaxed time.
> After you complete the test you can stop at the grocery store.

Well, except for the absurd of expecting teacher to work 7 days a week
and students to be in school 7 days a week, all of the above is being
done - including teachers meeting with parents nights and weekends. I
renew my driver's license via mail, so I can't speak to that issue.


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On 2014-03-02 12:53 PM, sf wrote:

>> Think of the advantages. If you are stuck in a Monday to Friday job and
>> have to see a lawyer or a dentist who can schedule an appointment for
>> Sunday. If you are buying a house you should be able to go into the bank
>> on a Saturday to finalize the financing and then see your lawyer on
>> Sunday to sign the papers. You won't have to take a day off. Have to
>> talk to your kid's teachers?... do it on Sunday... during school hours.
>> Driver license test?.. 10 am Saturday night would be a relaxed time.
>> After you complete the test you can stop at the grocery store.
>
> Well, except for the absurd of expecting teacher to work 7 days a week
> and students to be in school 7 days a week, all of the above is being
> done - including teachers meeting with parents nights and weekends. I
> renew my driver's license via mail, so I can't speak to that issue.
>
>


Students don't have to be in school 7 days of each week, but they can be
on a schedule that allows schools to be open 7 days a week. A lot of
people think of schools as a form or day care. If the parents are
working Sundays they have to make special arrangements for the kids, so
why not coordinate school hours with the parents' work hours? They can
make more efficient use of expensive facilities by using them 24/7.

Kids may as well get used to a 24/7. Start them off young.

On 3/2/2014 10:41 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/2/2014 10:15 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> When my supermarket first expanded and re-opened, they had the
>> doors open 24 hours a day. I think they learned that was a losing
>> proposition because it didn't last too long. This town shuts
>> down at night. For that matter, it's only in the past few years
>> that the sub shop opened on Sunday. That was really inconvenient.
>>
> If you're out of food, yes, that would be very inconvenient. Still, the
> only people who really benefit from a grocery store being open after
> midnight are people who work the graveyard shift. In an area like yours
> (and mine) those types of jobs are probably not common. I can't say I
> know anyone who shops for groceries after midnight.

In my story, I'm talking about all the stores being closed
on Sunday, all day.

>> People who want Sundays off really need to find something to do
>> besides retail/restaurant jobs. That's just reality.

> True, but not always possible. If it's the only type of work available
> and you tell a potential employer you won't work on Sundays, they'll
> just hire someone else.

And some people have to work nights as a janitor, or even two or
three jobs that keep them away from home for long hours. Security
guards. As people have mentioned, police, medical staff, etc etc.
The mail keeps moving around the clock. I wonder how many jobs
really are just 9-5, M-F, as a percentage.

nancy