On 05/04/2013 6:55 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 09:56:30 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>> Dealing with Julie is like walking in a minefield. She puts things
>> out there as if she's asking for suggestions and then shoots down
>> every response. She has issues that seem to change and multiply and
>> only she knows about them until she shoots down a suggestion. The
>> most annoying part is she expects people to keep a list instead of
>> setting parameters when she posts. It's a lose-lose situation for
>> everyone involved. Between diabetes, food intolerances and just plain
>> dislikes, there's nothing left except beans (I won't go near that
>> chicken issue again). So why is she here at all?
>
> That sums her up nicely.
> Little wonder she gets the responses she does.
>


IIRC somebody here recently commented on how some people like to watch a
train wreck.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:39:46 -0400, Cheryl wrote:
>
>> I'm also thinking about meals that are already fully prepared for you,
>> and all you have to do is heat and eat. Full of preservatives. And no,
>> I'm not talking about food that only require you to either wash, then
>> cook, like veggies, or thaw and cook like a steak or chicken breast. I'm
>> thinking about foods that are prepared, sort of like the old time TV
>> dinners.
>
> Most of the Stouffers red box entrees have pretty clean labels(*).
> And I think they're the best tasting of the frozen entree-type things.
> I have no qualms about buying and eating those.
>
> (*) "Clean Label" is the industry term for ingredient statements that
> don't make you go "WTF?"

I have bought something of theirs although infrequently. I think it was the
lasagna. The stuffed peppers also look good but there is some reason now
why I can't buy them. I think perhaps it is dairy in there. The mac and
cheese came highly recommended to me but when I tried it (years ago) I
thought the pasta was overcooked. Turns out the person who recommended this
wears dentures.

I did buy the Uncork products when we were in PA and cooking for my MIL.
Those were not even available here until recently and I think only at Winco.
I could/would not buy them now. But they worked for my MIL because they
were things that could easily be minced up. At the time she had problems
with choking on food and everything she ate had to be soft or minced. They
were also quick to fix and cheap.

Amy's are a product that I like. While I don't buy most of them and won't
buy any with tofu or soy or soy products in them, I think they are a good
product. Not all taste good though. I did not like the Shepherd's pie. It
had beans in it. And while I like beans, I don't think you need to be
eating beans and mashed potatoes all in one meal.

On 4/5/2013 12:11 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>>> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>>> comment.
>>
>> I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.
>
> I guess she has as much right as anyone else for whatever reason anyone
> posts. How would you like it if someone took exception to whatever you
> posted? Perhaps you would prefer them to ignore whatever they didn't
> like? perhaps you are lucky and they do.

O, I'm sorry but PKB. I like you, so I'm not getting into an argument
with you over who posts what to Usenet but it's getting old watching you
defend her all the time. Maybe you should just ignore the Julie threads
that start getting long. You should know by now how they start to go
from her annoyances about something to people offering suggestions to
her shooting them down. There, problem of you getting upset over her
being "bullied" over with.


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"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
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> Gary wrote:
>
>> I've noticed that you never pick on Steve
>
> Julie? Is that you?

I've picked on Steve in a tit for tat type way. *Waiting to see who will
jump on the word "tit"*.

Kalmia wrote:
> On Apr 4, 11:37 pm, Doris Night > wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:19:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "jay" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> In article >,
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>>>>> For one thing she won't eat any food with bones in it. For
>>>>> another, the only part of a chicken she will eat is the boneless,
>>>>> skinless breast.
>>
>>>> I don't eat food with bones in it either. Teach her to gnaw around
>>>> the bones. You could roast some boneless chicken breasts and slice
>>>> it up. You will then be in control of most everything but what the
>>>> chicken ate. This "one" seems so s i m p l e.
>>
>>> She doesn't like roasted chicken.
>>
>> Does she like white chicken meat stir fried? I'm pretty sure that
>> stir-fried chicken with vegetables it is OK for her diet. And as a
>> bonus, this type of dish freezes really well.
>>
>> Doris
>
> Don't waste your time in the future giving her suggestions. She'd
> find something wrong with G-d.

I'm an athiest.

On 4/4/2013 1:21 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Gary" > wrote in message speaking of alzheimers
>>>
>>>> I've always felt that it's certainly bad for the family but how bad
>>>> can it
>>>> be for the person afflicted? No worries about forgetting if you don't
>>>> remember in the first place? I have no idea. That's just always
>>>> been my
>>>> thing to ponder.
>>>>
>>>> G.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it's terrible for the family too, but not so much for the
>>> person afflicted.
>>
>> It is. Especially when you can't get one person into assisted living
>> when you think they should be in there. I am getting so little sleep
>> now. Getting calls at all hours of the night because they haven't a
>> clue what time it is. Calls about purported horrible emergencies. So
>> horrid that they can't bring themselves to speak of it now. They will
>> tell me in the morning. But by morning they don't even remember
>> calling me much less why they were. Telling me to buy things for them
>> only to find out that they either had another person buy them the same
>> thing, or telling me after I bought it that they never told me to buy
>> it. Worse yet is when they just don't answer the phone. Sometimes
>> they just don't. And nobody knows why. I've been told that they heard
>> the phone ringing but they either didn't want to get up to get it or
>> didn't remember where they put it. And forget the cell phones. They
>> don't turn them on unless they want to use them. Or on the off chance
>> that they do have them on, the sound of it ringing leaves them
>> confused. They can't seem to read their e-mail either. And with me
>> being so far away, it's not as if I can just dash right over. I once
>> had to send someone else who lives closer. By then, they were home.
>> That day started with a frantic phone call that morning about them
>> running away from home. I can't remember now what all we had to do
>> that day but I was stuck in this area until about 8:00. So I found
>> someone to go over there sooner. And that phone call that I had
>> gotten? Forgotten about.
>>
>> And then there are the food issues. Did they remember to eat? Did
>> they eat too many times? Did they eat properly? One person kept
>> complaining that she'd not eaten a thing all day. Likely true because
>> she only ever wants to eat out and won't keep much food in the house
>> even if it is given to her. She gives it away. I offered her food and
>> she refused it and yet we had to keep listening to complaints of
>> hunger. Seems she only wants to eat sweets and junk food now. Like
>> nachos.
>
> I've been through it with a couple of family members, so I do know the
> heartache for the people around them, but the people that were far gone
> into Alzheimers weren't bothered much by it.
>
> Cheri
>

I think we all go through these things as our loved ones age. It is
very common. I even had my mom yell at me one time because I called her
at 8:30 one night and I know she doesn't want calls after 9. She just
didn't realize what time it was, and if she was tired, it must be late.
I think we just have to learn how to live with them getting older,
and not let it upset us. If we get upset we can't help them through
their harder times.


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On 4/5/2013 6:01 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:
> jmcquown > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> I do think it's difficult for the family. I'm really not sure
> if the
>> person with Alzheimer's notices.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> Want a horror story Steven King couldn't write? My wife is in end
> stage AD. After being diagnosed 8 years ago, they are now giving
> her 6 months to a year to live. She hasn't spoken in two years.
> She hasn't walked in two years. She can't hold her head up. But
> when family comes in to her room, her eyes widen a little and she
> makes little gobbling noises. She doesn't do that when a stranger
> comes in.
>
> I wish you were right, Jill. But I don't think you are.
>
> I wish everyone would consider making a donation to the
> Alzheimer's Association before they have to go through what
> Members Of The Club do.
>

Oh, Alan. I wish you and your wife some serenity. I'm sorry you're
going through this with her and I have nothing to say except that I hope
you can be strong. Agree with your wish about people donating to the
alzheimer's association.



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On 4/5/2013 12:13 PM, notbob wrote:

> Sounds harsh, but I've had much experience with both national and
> local chapters of the Alzy Assoc. They are long on sympathy --which
> sometimes provides short term relief to the caregiver-- but woefully
> short on real help. I've received little, if any, actual usable
> help/info from AA. I've actually had to correct misonceptions held by
> the online help staff. I no longer even bother contacting them.
>
> Here's a fact I didn't learn from AA. There are two basic kinds of
> dementia. (Alheimers is only one form of dementia and can't be 100%
> diagnosed except by autopsy). Rapid and slow onset. My mom has slow.
> She's been in 2nd stage dementia for at least 4 yrs. My father, who
> died last month, had rapid. I was talking to him often on the phone
> as recently as 9 mos ago. His advance was so rapid, I talked to him
> on the phone one day, 3 days later he passed. A close friend's father
> passed the same way. He forgot how to swallow and so essentially
> starved to death. He went from able to drive a car to deceased, over
> the relatively short period of about 2 yrs.
>
> If it makes you feel better to donate to AA, do it. It's my opinion
> the money would be better spent on helping a patient and/or their
> caregiver to cope with this unfortunate disease.
>
> I pick mom up from the nursing home, Sunday. She broke her arm and
> has been in a nursing home for PT for the last three weeks. The pain
> meds turned her into a zombie. Hopefully, she'll regain some mental
> acuity when she returns home. If not, I will be escalating into a
> whole new level of care, providing I can manage. We'll see.
>
> Hang in there, Alan. You are not alone.

You hang in there too, nb. I'm glad your mom has you.


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Cheryl wrote:
> On 4/4/2013 10:58 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> The problems with her bones have nothing to do with dance. She has
>> broken her arm THREE times and never in dance. She did have a near
>> stress fracture in her back
>
> Not related at all to dance, but just from experience, if she's had a
> possible stress fracture in her back, please please please try to get
> her in the mindset to do core strengthening. My back issues were
> likely due to a stress fracture that eventually degenerated and
> required surgery. She's way too young to worry about that now, but
> she can proactively keep up her core strength so the back issue
> doesn't cause her problems later in life.

She does do. But she has to do them on her own now since they are not
offering the exercise classes at her studio. But they do require them to do
core exercises along with the warm ups prior to them starting the dance
portion of the class.

On 4/5/2013 7:18 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>>> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>>> comment.
>>
>> I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.
>
> Oh really? It's a FOOD newsgroup! I come here to discuss food! And then
> it would seem that any post that I make always veers off into something
> else. And yes I know about thread drift and all. But these things seem to
> go to the extreme!
>
>
Because you feed into it. If you didn't offer something that makes the
discussion "veer" off into something else, it wouldn't happen.

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Dave Smith wrote:
> On 05/04/2013 6:43 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 4/4/2013 10:58 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> The problems with her bones have nothing to do with dance. She has
>>> broken
>>> her arm THREE times and never in dance. She did have a near stress
>>> fracture
>>> in her back
>>
>> Not related at all to dance, but just from experience, if she's had a
>> possible stress fracture in her back, please please please try to get
>> her in the mindset to do core strengthening. My back issues were
>> likely due to a stress fracture that eventually degenerated and
>> required surgery. She's way too young to worry about that now, but
>> she can proactively keep up her core strength so the back issue
>> doesn't cause her problems later in life.
>>
>
>
> So you really believe that the Bovine's daughter broke her arm three
> times? And she is a dancer? A "near stress fracture"?? HTF do you
> diagnose a "near stress fracture"? It is either broken or it is not.

She did break her arm three times. The first was on Staten Island. I was
not there when it happened. She was outside with her dad. The story that I
was told was that someone told her to jump on a balloon to try to pop it.
I'm sure you can imagine what happened next and that's all I can do is
imagine. She was in too much pain and perhaps a bit of shock to tell me for
sure what happened and her dad told her not to tell me that it happened at
all. At least that's the story she gave.

I knew something was wrong when she wouldn't her dinner and just sat there
in silence with an odd look on her face, holding her forearm with the other
arm. She freaked when I reached to touch it. Took her immediately to the
hospital where they diagnosed a buckle break in the wrist area. She was 5
then.

We moved here. She attempted to do gymnastics in my parent's living room
even though we told her not to. We heard a crash and then her screaming in
tears that she had broken the arm again trying to do a cartwheel. It wasn't
broken but sprained in the same area. Dr. said the area was still weak
because the break had just barely healed.

A few years went by and she was running in the house in sock feet. She had
gone to get a pencil and was trying to hurry back before American Idol came
on. The floor was wood and she was going from the one old portion of the
house to the new. The new portion is up slightly and there is no step but
an almost sort of ramp. I did see it happen but it happened so fast. She
said she tripped over a magazine rack. At any rate, I saw her fly through
the air. She landed on the carpet in this new part of the house but she
landed straight down onto that wrist. She has been told countless times
that if she is going to fall, not to put her hands out to break her fall.
But she did. And again there was another buckle break to the exact same
area.

Maybe a year or two later, her dad took her and a friend roller skating. I
wasn't there. So I don't know what happened. Got a call from the Urgent
Care. I went there while my husband took the other girl home. Again there
was a buckle break to the exact same area. Dr. said she should probably
never skate again but if she did, she needed to wear wrist guards. She said
this sort of thing happens all the time at the Skate Deck. And we've seen
it happen. She was invited to two birthday parties there. And I took her.
People (mostly adults or older teens) get way out of control and start
skating far too fast. They either wind up knocknig someone over or they
themselves fall and in turn someone else can't get out of their way and
they wind up falling too.

Angela did get the wrist guards but she was afraid to skate. I didn't blame
her and I didn't make her do it. My parents used to take me skating
frequently because they loved to do it. Me? I always sprained my ankle.
Always! Which was exactly two times at the rink and once outside. Clearly
I was not meant to skate. After that I got a little too familiar with the
snack bar. I would sit there and refuse to leave the area.

Jeßus wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:12:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 04/04/2013 4:06 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't think I am arguing. Merely stating that what *I* thought
>>>> were processed foods was not nearly what the real definition of
>>>> processed foods really are. And I still think that it is
>>>> perfectly silly for people to say never to eat any processed foods.
>>>
>>> Unbelievable. No wonder you get so much flak here.
>>>
>>
>> Don't worry. She lives for the drama, and your response was like a
>> pat on the head for her.
>
> Probably. I hope for her sake (and those around her) that she's just a
> particularly talented troll. I'm having trouble believing a person
> like her could actually exist IRL and not end up driving somebody to
> murder.

IRL most people like me. Yes, I do have personality differences with a few
people. But only a very few. I really do get along well with most people
even though I might not agree with them.

Cheryl wrote:
> On 4/4/2013 11:59 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> ObFood: Morningstar BBQ "Ribs" for dinner tonight. Wow, were those
>> weird.
>>
>> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2samfj7&s=6
>>
>> Note the first four ingredients: Water, Sugar, Soy, Sugar.... They
>> call that an "entree"?
>
> So there's no meat in them at all? I guess that's why you wrote
> "Ribs" in quotes. What possessed you to buy these? lol

Morningstar is a vegan brand. No meat. I believe that might be the kind of
bacon I used to buy. Way back when I thought that soy was good for me. I
bought a package to cook in the motel microwave when we were moving from CA
to NY. Cooked it a little too long and oh my! I don't think microwaveable
regular bacon even existed in those days. The smell of the burned soy
product was so bad I never bought that stuff again!

On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 19:27:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 05/04/2013 6:55 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 09:56:30 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> Dealing with Julie is like walking in a minefield. She puts things
>>> out there as if she's asking for suggestions and then shoots down
>>> every response. She has issues that seem to change and multiply and
>>> only she knows about them until she shoots down a suggestion. The
>>> most annoying part is she expects people to keep a list instead of
>>> setting parameters when she posts. It's a lose-lose situation for
>>> everyone involved. Between diabetes, food intolerances and just plain
>>> dislikes, there's nothing left except beans (I won't go near that
>>> chicken issue again). So why is she here at all?
>>
>> That sums her up nicely.
>> Little wonder she gets the responses she does.
>>
>
>
>IIRC somebody here recently commented on how some people like to watch a
>train wreck.

Heh... well, I have to admit I'm torn between filtering her and keep
reading her posts for that same reason

Cheryl wrote:
> On 4/3/2013 11:09 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>>
>>> On 4/2/2013 9:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> This time I went to Costco. Was able to get three different kinds
>>>> of chicken for Angela. She said that she didn't like the chicken
>>>> piccata but the clean plate told me otherwise. I think she just
>>>> said that she didn't like it because she didn't pick it out for
>>>> herself. They also had the Mediterranean chicken skewers that I
>>>> know she likes but I haven't seen in a while. Not saying they
>>>> didn't have them but when she and/or my husband is shopping with
>>>> me, they get majorly annoyed with me if I have to look for things
>>>> or take too much time. Both of them think I should be able to get
>>>> in and out of the store in like 5 minutes and that's usually not
>>>> realistic. I also got some pulled chicken. Not sure if she will
>>>> like this brand and not going to tell her that it has liquor in
>>>> it. It does say that on the label but she knows so little about
>>>> liquor she won't realize.
>>
>> None of those things are frozen meals.
>
> I didn't realize they weren't frozen meals. But I wouldn't select
> these main dishes that are already prepared because it still screams
> to me of preservatives, etc. That was the only thing that prompted
> me to observe that it looked like you buy a lot of processed foods. And
> I'm not talking about condiments, snacks, cereals. I'm talking
> about main dish meats. I still stand by my comment but it really is
> up to you, and not me, what you eat. I merely made an observation.

There may well be preservatives in the Jack Daniel's pulled chicken. But I
do not think there are any at all in the other two types of chicken. The
Mediterranian one just has chicken on skewers, salt, pepper, olive oil,
herbs and I think perhaps lemon juice. The chicken piccata does have a bit
of wheat flour which technically she shouldn't have. Also capers,
artichokes, some kind of red vegetable, either tomatoes or peppers, I think
olive oil or butter and some herbs. I no longer have the outer wrap so I
can't say for sure.

Cheryl wrote:
> On 4/5/2013 7:18 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>>>> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going
>>>> to comment.
>>>
>>> I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.
>>
>> Oh really? It's a FOOD newsgroup! I come here to discuss food! And then
>> it would seem that any post that I make always veers off
>> into something else. And yes I know about thread drift and all. But
>> these things seem to go to the extreme!
>>
>>
> Because you feed into it. If you didn't offer something that makes
> the discussion "veer" off into something else, it wouldn't happen.

I do feel the need to respond when someone attacks my parenting skills or
makes nasty comments about my family. And that is quite often what happens
here. I make an on topic post or reply and someone else goes off in another
direction here.

On 4/5/2013 11:13 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-04-05, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> Yes, everyone should make a donation.
>
> Do as you will, but I wouldn't give them a penny.
>
> Sounds harsh, but I've had much experience with both national and
> local chapters of the Alzy Assoc. They are long on sympathy --which
> sometimes provides short term relief to the caregiver-- but woefully
> short on real help. I've received little, if any, actual usable
> help/info from AA. I've actually had to correct misonceptions held by
> the online help staff. I no longer even bother contacting them.
>
> Here's a fact I didn't learn from AA. There are two basic kinds of
> dementia. (Alheimers is only one form of dementia and can't be 100%
> diagnosed except by autopsy). Rapid and slow onset. My mom has slow.
> She's been in 2nd stage dementia for at least 4 yrs. My father, who
> died last month, had rapid. I was talking to him often on the phone
> as recently as 9 mos ago. His advance was so rapid, I talked to him
> on the phone one day, 3 days later he passed. A close friend's father
> passed the same way. He forgot how to swallow and so essentially
> starved to death. He went from able to drive a car to deceased, over
> the relatively short period of about 2 yrs.
>
> If it makes you feel better to donate to AA, do it. It's my opinion
> the money would be better spent on helping a patient and/or their
> caregiver to cope with this unfortunate disease.
>
> I pick mom up from the nursing home, Sunday. She broke her arm and
> has been in a nursing home for PT for the last three weeks. The pain
> meds turned her into a zombie. Hopefully, she'll regain some mental
> acuity when she returns home. If not, I will be escalating into a
> whole new level of care, providing I can manage. We'll see.
>
> Hang in there, Alan. You are not alone.
>
> nb

How can anyone cope with something like this, and it happened to both of
your parents, not one, but both. How overwhelming.

Becca

"Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/5/2013 11:13 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2013-04-05, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, everyone should make a donation.
>>
>> Do as you will, but I wouldn't give them a penny.
>>
>> Sounds harsh, but I've had much experience with both national and
>> local chapters of the Alzy Assoc. They are long on sympathy --which
>> sometimes provides short term relief to the caregiver-- but woefully
>> short on real help. I've received little, if any, actual usable
>> help/info from AA. I've actually had to correct misonceptions held by
>> the online help staff. I no longer even bother contacting them.
>>
>> Here's a fact I didn't learn from AA. There are two basic kinds of
>> dementia. (Alheimers is only one form of dementia and can't be 100%
>> diagnosed except by autopsy). Rapid and slow onset. My mom has slow.
>> She's been in 2nd stage dementia for at least 4 yrs. My father, who
>> died last month, had rapid. I was talking to him often on the phone
>> as recently as 9 mos ago. His advance was so rapid, I talked to him
>> on the phone one day, 3 days later he passed. A close friend's father
>> passed the same way. He forgot how to swallow and so essentially
>> starved to death. He went from able to drive a car to deceased, over
>> the relatively short period of about 2 yrs.
>>
>> If it makes you feel better to donate to AA, do it. It's my opinion
>> the money would be better spent on helping a patient and/or their
>> caregiver to cope with this unfortunate disease.
>>
>> I pick mom up from the nursing home, Sunday. She broke her arm and
>> has been in a nursing home for PT for the last three weeks. The pain
>> meds turned her into a zombie. Hopefully, she'll regain some mental
>> acuity when she returns home. If not, I will be escalating into a
>> whole new level of care, providing I can manage. We'll see.
>>
>> Hang in there, Alan. You are not alone.
>>
>> nb
>
> How can anyone cope with something like this, and it happened to both of
> your parents, not one, but both. How overwhelming.
>
> Becca

I am going through similar. Not as extreme. Not yet anyway. But it is
very difficult. Especially when I don't live super close to them. Not that
far really but not close enough to be there ASAP if need be.

On 4/5/2013 8:20 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> Angela did get the wrist guards but she was afraid to skate. I didn't blame
> her and I didn't make her do it. My parents used to take me skating
> frequently because they loved to do it. Me? I always sprained my ankle

My friends and I loved to ice skate when I was growing up. Of course our
ponds don't freeze enough these late few decades enough to skate on
because we don't get the winters we used to get. My friends liked to
make me do laps because my ankles were weak, too. I can still hear the
encouragement in my mind from those days.

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On 4/5/2013 8:44 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 4/5/2013 11:13 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2013-04-05, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, everyone should make a donation.
>>
>> Do as you will, but I wouldn't give them a penny.
>>
>> Sounds harsh, but I've had much experience with both national and
>> local chapters of the Alzy Assoc. They are long on sympathy --which
>> sometimes provides short term relief to the caregiver-- but woefully
>> short on real help. I've received little, if any, actual usable
>> help/info from AA. I've actually had to correct misonceptions held by
>> the online help staff. I no longer even bother contacting them.
>>
>> Here's a fact I didn't learn from AA. There are two basic kinds of
>> dementia. (Alheimers is only one form of dementia and can't be 100%
>> diagnosed except by autopsy). Rapid and slow onset. My mom has slow.
>> She's been in 2nd stage dementia for at least 4 yrs. My father, who
>> died last month, had rapid. I was talking to him often on the phone
>> as recently as 9 mos ago. His advance was so rapid, I talked to him
>> on the phone one day, 3 days later he passed. A close friend's father
>> passed the same way. He forgot how to swallow and so essentially
>> starved to death. He went from able to drive a car to deceased, over
>> the relatively short period of about 2 yrs.
>>
>> If it makes you feel better to donate to AA, do it. It's my opinion
>> the money would be better spent on helping a patient and/or their
>> caregiver to cope with this unfortunate disease.
>>
>> I pick mom up from the nursing home, Sunday. She broke her arm and
>> has been in a nursing home for PT for the last three weeks. The pain
>> meds turned her into a zombie. Hopefully, she'll regain some mental
>> acuity when she returns home. If not, I will be escalating into a
>> whole new level of care, providing I can manage. We'll see.
>>
>> Hang in there, Alan. You are not alone.
>>
>> nb
>
> How can anyone cope with something like this, and it happened to both of
> your parents, not one, but both. How overwhelming.
>
> Becca
>
>
Agree, Becca, and for me it would make me constantly wonder when it was
going to happen to me. I believe some of that is genetic.


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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> Agree, Becca, and for me it would make me constantly wonder when it was
> going to happen to me. I believe some of that is genetic.

Exactly what I am going through now. Bought a book about diet to improve
memory and claims that it wards it off but there is no way I could stick to
it for very long at all. It's fairly low fat and limits the types of fats.
It's also vegan. No animal products whatever. While I do eat this way
quite often, I simply could not do it all the time. Author seems to imply
that if you eat so much as a piece of cheese or an egg or a hamburger patty,
you'll damage your brain.

I can see big differences though in how I live my life and how my parents
and grandparents did/do. And how they did/do does seem to be fairly common.
I remember hearing this on the radio one day. Guy said something about how
all of a sudden you make the horrible realization that you are now listening
to your parents music! I vowed never to let that happen. I do try to keep
current with music. I might not like all of it but I know the names of most
of the artists and I do listen to the songs.

I also try to keep up somewhat with technology. I was a bit mortified when
shopping with my mom a few weeks ago at TJ Maxx. She picked up an Iphone
cover and brought it to my daughter and I. She had a most horrified look on
her face as though she thought it was some sort of filthy thing that should
never be sold much less displayed in public. And announced very loudly,
"WHAT is THIS!?" That was a tad embarrassing. Although we don't own
Smartphones, not yet anyway but probably soon will since husband is
insisting on getting one and our family plan will allow three...but I
digress... I do know what one is and I have known for a long time what the
covers for them look like. My mom did not know what a Smartphone was. She
just knows that some people can get the Internet on their phones and is
always asking me if I can. I can't. I think She also had no clue what an
Ipad was and was quite baffled by it when daughter showed hers to her. Just
as she was baffled by the little video camera that daughter has. She is not
totally clueless about technology though. She does own a computer but seems
to know precious little about it and became furious with me when I asked her
what the OS was. Said that was personal and not something I should be
discussing with people. She also has a Nintendo DS and a Wii. But has
extreme trouble getting the Wii to operate.

So although I don't own all of those things and have no use for some of
them, I do try to pay attention to what these things are. I don't tend to
keep current on the mainstream TV shows and do feel somewhat stupid when
people are discussing such things. One day my dad kept going on and on
about that "Dog". Dog did this. Dog did that. Like I was supposed to know
who he was. I thought he was some long lost relative or something. I
finally said, "Who is Dog?" And he told me it was Dog The Bounty Hunter. I
had heard of the show but don't think it is still on. Have had similar
things happen when people are talking about soap opera characters as though
I should know. So I am a bit clueless there and clueless as well when it
comes to movies because these things simply don't interest me much.

But... I do know how to use my TV and I do know how to tell if a show is a
rerun or not. Can't tell you how many times I have called my mom and she
said that she couldn't talk because she was watching some TV show. For
example, Chopped. And I would say, "Chopped is not on now. Is it?" Only
to find out that she was watching some re-run. I would tell her it was a
re-run and she would insist that it wasn't. It was a new one because she'd
never seen it before. And many has been the time that not only was it a
re-run but she had seen it not only once but 2 or 3 times and I had been at
her house watching it along with her! But she doesn't remember this.

So I think to myself... How would it be if I got up day after day and each
day was like a whole new life? Because that's how it seems that her life is
most of the time. I have to tell her which foods she likes or doesn't like.
And sometimes she believes me. Sometimes now she is eating foods that she
never claimed to like before. Like a Chef Salad. How would you even know
who to trust? She often accuses me of lying or making things up or dreaming
things. And then she'll turn right around and give the keys to her house to
some total stranger. It's frustrating. And she has paid someone to clean
the exterior windows on her house repeatedly because she doesn't remember
that she just had it done. She did this twice in the fall. She did realize
this only when she saw the checkbook register and saw that she had already
paid to have this done. But then instead of canceling the next people who
were to come, she just said something like, "Oopsie! Guess they'll be
cleaned again!" But then just now it happened again! Angela and I were
over there and she told us that the windows had just been cleaned. Then two
weeks later she said the window cleaners were coming. We both told her that
she had just had the job done and she accused us of lying. And I could see
that we weren't going to get anywhere with this. She will just turn all
nasty and start screaming at us not to argue with her or that she wasn't
going to argue even though clearly she was... And then throw us out of her
house! Of course within a matter of hours she will forget that she said any
of this or did this.

And she is not the bad one. At times I think that my dad's mental state is
better than hers. And perhaps at times not. But... He falls. And when he
falls, we can't get him up. It's hard to explain but it's as though his
brain can't remember how to make his legs work. Even if we try to talk him
through the procedure of getting up and/or walking, it's all baffling to
him. He just can't do it. And sometimes he can walk on his own but he's
not supposed to do it because he might fall. And he has. So now he has to
be on an alarm 24/7. The second he gets out of his bed or tries to stand,
the alarm goes off. Sadly I think everyone that is in that adult family
home is on such an alarm.

I do not want to get like this. I fear that it will happen one day.

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:29:49 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:


>
>But you (and Ed) are trying to belittle some of us in the same fashion
>that we belittle her.
>
>-sw

I didn't name anyone in particular, but if you want in, you're welcome
to be counted. You, at least, do post food related information.

There is a handful of people here that belittle others and I don't
recall them ever posting anything food related or starting an
interesting thread, even an OT one.

Few, if any of us have never made an offhand remark, been a bit
snarky and other human frailties. But to only ever post criticism and
to belittle is repulsive.

I've been hanging out on USENET for many years and have only ever put
three people in the kill file and I did so with no announcement.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 4/5/2013 8:20 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Angela did get the wrist guards but she was afraid to skate. I didn't
>> blame
>> her and I didn't make her do it. My parents used to take me skating
>> frequently because they loved to do it. Me? I always sprained my ankle
>
> My friends and I loved to ice skate when I was growing up. Of course our
> ponds don't freeze enough these late few decades enough to skate on
> because we don't get the winters we used to get. My friends liked to make
> me do laps because my ankles were weak, too. I can still hear the
> encouragement in my mind from those days.

I was never even remotely tempted to try ice skating. I figured if I
couldn't do wheels, no way could I do thin blades!

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:21:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I will be eating it with the par-baked Rosemary bread from
> Coscto. Yes, *eek* a processed food. But that's what I'll be eating, like
> it or not.

I don't have a problem with that kind of processed food. Spam, yes.
Rosemary bread from Costco, no.

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On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:18:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
> >> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
> >> comment.
> >
> > I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.
>
> Oh really? It's a FOOD newsgroup! I come here to discuss food! And then
> it would seem that any post that I make always veers off into something
> else. And yes I know about thread drift and all. But these things seem to
> go to the extreme!
>
This is not the newsgroup to address your particular problems. Most
of the people here eat within a normal range and don't turn every
thread into one that's "all about them".

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On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:17:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I agree with you, Steve. She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
> > call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
> > comment.
>
> My food intolerances and my food dislikes are not necessarily one and the
> same.
>
By this time, nobody cares. They're tired of the shtick.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:18:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>> >> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>> >> comment.
>> >
>> > I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.
>>
>> Oh really? It's a FOOD newsgroup! I come here to discuss food! And
>> then
>> it would seem that any post that I make always veers off into something
>> else. And yes I know about thread drift and all. But these things seem
>> to
>> go to the extreme!
>>
> This is not the newsgroup to address your particular problems. Most
> of the people here eat within a normal range and don't turn every
> thread into one that's "all about them".

And I don't either. I don't even reply to most of the threads here.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:17:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > I agree with you, Steve. She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay,
>> > let's
>> > call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>> > comment.
>>
>> My food intolerances and my food dislikes are not necessarily one and the
>> same.
>>
> By this time, nobody cares. They're tired of the shtick.

Maybe they don't care but they sure reply to them all of the time. And I
don't know what you mean by shtick. The dictionary.com definitions don't
seem to apply to anything here.

http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...ick?s=t&path=/

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 22:19:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:17:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> My food intolerances and my food dislikes are not necessarily one and the
> >> same.
> >>
> > By this time, nobody cares. They're tired of the shtick.
>
> Maybe they don't care but they sure reply to them all of the time. And I
> don't know what you mean by shtick. The dictionary.com definitions don't
> seem to apply to anything here.
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...ick?s=t&path=/
>
Just type "shtick" into the Google search box and you will have an
answer.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 22:19:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:17:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> My food intolerances and my food dislikes are not necessarily one and
>> >> the
>> >> same.
>> >>
>> > By this time, nobody cares. They're tired of the shtick.
>>
>> Maybe they don't care but they sure reply to them all of the time. And I
>> don't know what you mean by shtick. The dictionary.com definitions don't
>> seem to apply to anything here.
>>
>> http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...ick?s=t&path=/
>>
> Just type "shtick" into the Google search box and you will have an
> answer.

I know what the word means. I wasn't performing comedy here.

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:43:41 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Most of the Stouffers red box entrees have pretty clean labels(*).
>>> And I think they're the best tasting of the frozen entree-type
>>> things. I have no qualms about buying and eating those.
>>>
>>> (*) "Clean Label" is the industry term for ingredient statements
>>> that don't make you go "WTF?"
>>
>> I have bought something of theirs although infrequently. I think it
>> was the lasagna. The stuffed peppers also look good but there is
>> some reason now why I can't buy them. I think perhaps it is dairy
>> in there. The mac and cheese came highly recommended to me but when
>> I tried it (years ago) I thought the pasta was overcooked. Turns
>> out the person who recommended this wears dentures.
>
> <snip and yawn>
>
> See how you use any and every post as an excuse to launch another
> drawn-out explanation about what you dislike? If anybody says anything
> positive, then there you are throwing yourself a pity party.
>
> This is why people want to strangle you - if not physically, then
> verbally.

Um... I didn't exactly that I disliked something. I said that I thought
the pasta was overcooked on the mac and cheese. The lasagna was fine. You
are the one who posted about the brand. So now nobody can respond to you?
Or I the only one who can not say anything in response to you?

People don't want to strangle me. Not in real life. They only seem to
here, and a select few who are often the same people on the diabetes
newsgroup.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 08:36:00 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:18:53 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>>
>>> Her choice, not yours! Her life, not yours.
>>
>>RFC is not a therapy session either.
>
> Indeed. And it is a public Usenet group.
> She's posting here (presumably) for replies, and she's getting them.
> It's not for nothing that she seems to attract a disproportionate
> amount of negative reaction on the group.

Yet you never see her attacking anyone or being gratuitously nasty. She
certainly gets plenty of that from others and you think that is ok?


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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:18:53 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Her choice, not yours! Her life, not yours.
>>
>> RFC is not a therapy session either.
>
> But some people here sure are quick to diagnose others.

Oh yes, but that is ok you see, because THEY are doing it.
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notbob > wrote in
:


> Do as you will, but I wouldn't give them a penny.
>
> Sounds harsh, but I've had much experience with both national
and
> local chapters of the Alzy Assoc. They are long on sympathy --
which
> sometimes provides short term relief to the caregiver-- but
woefully
> short on real help.

Notbob, I've heard similar stories from some other people, but
most people I know, myself included, believe they do good work.
Just suggesting, but maybe it's the chapter you were involved
with, or the particular situation. The various chapters operate
to a good degree independently of National, and National tends
more to be an advocacy organization than a direct support one.
I'm a passionate volunteer with the Massachusetts/New Hampshire
chapter and I think they're incredibly good folks. And quite
frankly, if that's what your issue is, it's not their charter to
provide direct patient care, but to provide education and support.
If you're looking for direct patient care help, you need to look
into government programs wherever it is you live.

As far as correcting faulty information is concerned, remeber that
at this stage of knowledge about the disease, it's kind of like
taslking to my old aunts: ask four of them a question and you're
going to get five different answers. It may not be ignorance
you're dealing with, it may be answers based on different
observances or opinions.

Certainly, if that's your thing, contribute directly to a sufferer
or to a caregiver, and bless you for it. They need it. If you
want to make a long term contribution toward research for a cure
for everyone, donate to the Alzheimer's Association.

And by the way, you can do both...

Nancy Young > wrote in news:515ebd3b$0
:

> On 4/5/2013 6:01 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:
>
>
>
> That's really rough, Alan. I'm sorry you and your wife have to
go
> through this. I hope you have help taking care of her. You're
> right, we should all donate, because this is going to touch
everyone
> one way or another and it seems like they are making strides
against
> this horrible disease. I don't know who dubbed it The Long
Goodbye,
> it's so descriptive.
>
> nancy
>
>

If you really want to be scared, go to http://www.alz.org, go to
the bottom of the page and watch the video...

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 4/5/2013 12:11 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>>>> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>>>> comment.
>>>
>>> I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.
>>
>> I guess she has as much right as anyone else for whatever reason anyone
>> posts. How would you like it if someone took exception to whatever you
>> posted? Perhaps you would prefer them to ignore whatever they didn't
>> like? perhaps you are lucky and they do.
>
> O, I'm sorry but PKB. I like you, so I'm not getting into an argument
> with you over who posts what to Usenet but it's getting old watching you
> defend her all the time. Maybe you should just ignore the Julie threads
> that start getting long. You should know by now how they start to go from
> her annoyances about something to people offering suggestions to her
> shooting them down. There, problem of you getting upset over her being
> "bullied" over with.

If you think my defence is getting old, don't you think the bullying is
getting old too? I watch a lot of it going on and only complain when it
starts to get vicious.
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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 4/5/2013 8:20 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Angela did get the wrist guards but she was afraid to skate. I didn't
>> blame
>> her and I didn't make her do it. My parents used to take me skating
>> frequently because they loved to do it. Me? I always sprained my ankle
>
> My friends and I loved to ice skate when I was growing up. Of course our
> ponds don't freeze enough these late few decades enough to skate on
> because we don't get the winters we used to get. My friends liked to make
> me do laps because my ankles were weak, too. I can still hear the
> encouragement in my mind from those days.

I never got the chance to ice skate but did go roller skating. I was
hopeless, I just couldn't stay upright I gave up in the end.
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:18:53 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Her choice, not yours! Her life, not yours.
>>>
>>> RFC is not a therapy session either.
>>
>> But some people here sure are quick to diagnose others.
>
> Oh yes, but that is ok you see, because THEY are doing it.

Apparently so. I just don't get that sort of clique thing at all. I know
that we had them when I was in High School but I wasn't in one. I was
friends with people from all sorts of groups in school.

I got another wake up call when I came back here one year to visit. My time
was very limited so I called my friends and asked them to meet me at a
restaurant for dinner, after first finding a date and time that would work
for everyone. And what did I get from several people? "If so and so is
coming, I won't be there!" Personality differences there, yes. So I just
said to them... "This is probably the only time you'll get to see me on
this trip so if you want to see me, you'll have to just do your best to
ignore him or her and show up." Thankfully they all did show up and they
managed to seat themselves in such a way that they were far from the people
they didn't like. Actually quite a few people did show up. And AFAIK,
there were no problems that night.

And now thanks to the miracles of Facebook, they are all on there. Mostly
the ones that don't get along don't really speak to each other but I still
occasionally get complaints from one person about another. Funny thing is,
those complaints are usually mutual.

Perhaps the thing here is that "they" were here before I was? I don't
really know. I know some were here first. Not so sure about the others.
But there does some to be some sort of warped sense of entitlement at play
here.

"Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/5/2013 11:13 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2013-04-05, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, everyone should make a donation.
>>
>> Do as you will, but I wouldn't give them a penny.
>>
>> Sounds harsh, but I've had much experience with both national and
>> local chapters of the Alzy Assoc. They are long on sympathy --which
>> sometimes provides short term relief to the caregiver-- but woefully
>> short on real help. I've received little, if any, actual usable
>> help/info from AA. I've actually had to correct misonceptions held by
>> the online help staff. I no longer even bother contacting them.
>>
>> Here's a fact I didn't learn from AA. There are two basic kinds of
>> dementia. (Alheimers is only one form of dementia and can't be 100%
>> diagnosed except by autopsy). Rapid and slow onset. My mom has slow.
>> She's been in 2nd stage dementia for at least 4 yrs. My father, who
>> died last month, had rapid. I was talking to him often on the phone
>> as recently as 9 mos ago. His advance was so rapid, I talked to him
>> on the phone one day, 3 days later he passed. A close friend's father
>> passed the same way. He forgot how to swallow and so essentially
>> starved to death. He went from able to drive a car to deceased, over
>> the relatively short period of about 2 yrs.
>>
>> If it makes you feel better to donate to AA, do it. It's my opinion
>> the money would be better spent on helping a patient and/or their
>> caregiver to cope with this unfortunate disease.
>>
>> I pick mom up from the nursing home, Sunday. She broke her arm and
>> has been in a nursing home for PT for the last three weeks. The pain
>> meds turned her into a zombie. Hopefully, she'll regain some mental
>> acuity when she returns home. If not, I will be escalating into a
>> whole new level of care, providing I can manage. We'll see.
>>
>> Hang in there, Alan. You are not alone.
>>
>> nb
>
> How can anyone cope with something like this, and it happened to both of
> your parents, not one, but both. How overwhelming.

Overwhelming indeed
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On 2013-04-06, Alan Holbrook > wrote:

> frankly, if that's what your issue is, it's not their charter to
> provide direct patient care, but to provide education and support.
> If you're looking for direct patient care help, you need to look
> into government programs wherever it is you live.

MY point exactly. What govt program? AA has certainly been unable to
tell me. Nothing is more frustrating than hearing "I don't know" from
an organization that claims ot provide "education and support". I've
heard it too often. Even worse is when I tell them, "no, that's not
the case", relate the facts as I've learned them, and they reply, "I
didn't know that".

I tried to learn a single legal point concerning my mom for almost 3
yrs. No one could tell me. Not AA, not govt agencies, not other
volunteer agencies the AA recommended. Not even a lawyer!! I
finally, by accident, talked to an insignificant worker droid in our
county Health and Human Services agency, and she told me she would
send me the pamphlet. !?!?!? There's an effin' pamphlet!? Turns out
the one question I'd asked various agencies, both govt and and
private, over a 3 yr period was a simple info pamphlet hanging on
their wall-of-boredom that explained precisely what I'd been trying to
learn, yet nobody knew anything about it. Arrghhhh!

> going to get five different answers.

Sounds to me like AA should pull their collective head out. This is
the age of instant information. There is no excuse for different
answers from the same agency.

> It may not be ignorance

It's been my experience, more often than not, that's exactly the
case.

> for everyone, donate to the Alzheimer's Association.

That's another beef I have. Who says it's Alzheimers, other than the
Alzheimer's Assoc? As I stated before, Alzheimers can't be factually
diagnosed except by a post mortem autopsy and very few are routinely
done. It could be vascular dementia, lewy body dementia,
frontotemporal demantia, etc. But, it's always assumed it musta been
AD, mainly cuz AA is in the background screaming "Alzheimers" at the
top of their private charity lungs. I'm not saying AA does nothing.
They contribute to real research. That's something. But, as a real
world support org for real world sufferers and caregivers, I've
received more useful information from my county court clerk.

I respect the fact you volunteer for AA duty. That's a noble
endeavor. I may someday be able to return to work. If so, I'd like
to apply for a job at our local nursing/recovery home helping real
people with real problems. They often have job openings in the
kitchen. Breaks my heart everytime I go down there and see the
elderly sitting in their wheelchairs, existing in their own little
worlds. I usually bring my mom's dog for a visit and it's a joy to
see some of the folks come alive and sit up and take notice and
interact with her little doggie. I think that would be a great
service some dog lover might provide to the elderly. Canines fer the
creaky!

Arrghhh!.... it's too early in the morning to be getting so maudlin.


nb