I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for sure.
But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
processed.

Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese and
yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply vegetables
or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice and
pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.

So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist, you
are eating processed foods!

On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for sure.
> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
> processed.
>
> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese and
> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply vegetables
> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice and
> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>
> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist, you
> are eating processed foods!
>

I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
when they think "processed".

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>> sure.
>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>> processed.
>>
>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>> and
>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>> vegetables
>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>> and
>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>
>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>> you
>> are eating processed foods!
>>
>
> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
> when they think "processed".

That's what I thought too. But I was wrong.

On Apr 3, 2:58*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for sure.
> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
> processed.
>
> Nuts out of the shell are processed. *Milk is processed. *So are cheese and
> yogurt. *If it's frozen? *It's processed. *Even if it is simply vegetables
> or fruit with nothing added. *Flour would be processed. *So would rice and
> pasta of all kinds. *Anything in a can is processed. *Dried foods are
> processed. *If you cook it? *You've processed it.
>
> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist, you
> are eating processed foods!

Whenever I'm on the West Coast, I catch me some banana slugs and eat
em' raw. They're like 6" long snails without shells. I swallow em'
up live. My stomach processes them though.

A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Apr 3, 2:58 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know
>> for sure. But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or
>> vegetables, it is processed.
>>
>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>> cheese and yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is
>> simply vegetables
>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>> and pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods
>> are processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>
>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>> foodist, you are eating processed foods!
>
> Whenever I'm on the West Coast, I catch me some banana slugs and eat
> em' raw. They're like 6" long snails without shells. I swallow em'
> up live. My stomach processes them though.

Um... I think I'll pass.

On Apr 3, 6:32*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> A Moose in Love wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 2:58 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know
> >> for sure. But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or
> >> vegetables, it is processed.
>
> >> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
> >> cheese and yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is
> >> simply vegetables
> >> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
> >> and pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods
> >> are processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>
> >> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
> >> foodist, you are eating processed foods!
>
> > Whenever I'm on the West Coast, I catch me some banana slugs and eat
> > em' raw. *They're like 6" long snails without shells. *I swallow em'
> > up live. *My stomach processes them though.
>
> Um... *I think I'll pass.

Yeah. Maybe I should purge them first. Water and oak leaves for a
week.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>> sure.
>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>>> processed.
>>>
>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>>> and
>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>> vegetables
>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>> and
>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>
>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>>> you
>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>
>>
>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>> when they think "processed".
>
> That's what I thought too. But I was wrong.

It's just another term that's worn out with overuse. Best to avoid it.

On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for sure.
>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>> processed.
>>
>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese and
>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply vegetables
>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice and
>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>
>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist, you
>> are eating processed foods!
>>
>
> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
> when they think "processed".
>
Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".

Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.

I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. But the boxed
stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
"cheese". That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.

Let's don't forget the Hamburger Helper!

Jill

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:58:42 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for sure.
>
> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>
> processed.
>
>
>
> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese and
>
> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply vegetables
>
> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice and
>
> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>
> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>
>
>
> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist, you
>
> are eating processed foods!

By you (incorrect) use of the word, raw meat would be considered processed. It's been through a processing plant to cut it.

On 03/04/2013 9:56 AM, jay wrote:
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for sure.
>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>> processed.
>>
>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese and
>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply vegetables
>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice and
>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>
>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist, you
>> are eating processed foods!
>
> Most learn what "processed" means very early in life.
>


Most people are smarter than the Bovine.

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 10:15:27 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 03/04/2013 9:56 AM, jay wrote:
>
> > In article >,
>
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for sure.
>
> >> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>
> >> processed.
>
> >>
>
> >> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese and
>
> >> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply vegetables
>
> >> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice and
>
> >> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>
> >> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>
> >>
>
> >> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist, you
>
> >> are eating processed foods!
>
> >
>
> > Most learn what "processed" means very early in life.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Most people are smarter than the Bovine.

If she represented the average intelligence of humans, we'd still be living in caves. And she proves that rule that the stupidest among us have no idea they are at all stupid.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>> sure.
>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>>> processed.
>>>
>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>>> and
>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>> vegetables
>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>> and
>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>
>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>>> you
>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>
>>
>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>> when they think "processed".
>>
> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>
> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.


So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and butter
and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
food"? I don't get it.



>
> I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
> sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
> Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. But the boxed
> stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
> "cheese". That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.

People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?

"tert in seattle" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>>> sure.
>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>>>> is
>>>> processed.
>>>>
>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>>>> and
>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>>> vegetables
>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>>> and
>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>>
>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>>>> you
>>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>>> when they think "processed".
>>
>> That's what I thought too. But I was wrong.
>
> It's just another term that's worn out with overuse. Best to avoid it.
>

BINGO!

"jay" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>> sure.
>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>> processed.
>>
>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>> and
>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>> vegetables
>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>> and
>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>
>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>> you
>> are eating processed foods!
>
> Most learn what "processed" means very early in life.
>

perhaps, but they learn different definitions. I have no idea what any
particular person means when they say "processed".

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 10:42:09 AM UTC-4, Pico Rico wrote:
> "jay" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > In article >,
>
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>
> >> sure.
>
> >> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>
> >> processed.
>
> >>
>
> >> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>
> >> and
>
> >> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>
> >> vegetables
>
> >> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>
> >> and
>
> >> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>
> >> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>
> >>
>
> >> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>
> >> you
>
> >> are eating processed foods!
>
> >
>
> > Most learn what "processed" means very early in life.
>
> >
>
>
>
> perhaps, but they learn different definitions. I have no idea what any
>
> particular person means when they say "processed".

Then I assume you're not slow witted enough to post a definitive definition of the word on a news group about food. However, you do seem to be slow witted enough to not realize that the person you're replying to was merely reacting to such a post.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>> sure.
>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>>> processed.
>>>
>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>>> and
>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>> vegetables
>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>> and
>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>
>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>>> you
>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>
>>
>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>> when they think "processed".
>>
> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>
> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.

Well, you can have milk! I can't. I have tried making real mashed potatoes
that way and while they're fine in Pierogies, they're not so tasty
otherwise. Plus currently I am the only person eating potatoes. And when I
do eat them it is late at night for a snack. So it works better for me to
use the flakes in salted water.
>
> I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
> sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
> Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. But the boxed
> stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
> "cheese". That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.
>
The boxed stuff is nasty. I tried it once many years ago.

> Let's don't forget the Hamburger Helper!

I don't eat that either.

"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>>> sure.
>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>>>> is
>>>> processed.
>>>>
>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>>>> and
>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>>> vegetables
>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>>> and
>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>>
>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>>>> you
>>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>>> when they think "processed".
>>>
>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>
>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>
>
> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> butter and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you,
> it has become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is
> "processed" food"? I don't get it.

All you have to do is cut into them and then you've processed them.

<snip>
>
> People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
> dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?

That's what it says at the various websites that I read.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:58:42 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>> sure.
>>
>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>>
>> processed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>> and
>>
>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>> vegetables
>>
>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>> and
>>
>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>
>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>> you
>>
>> are eating processed foods!
>
> By you (incorrect) use of the word, raw meat would be considered
> processed. It's been through a processing plant to cut it.

True.

On 4/3/2013 10:41 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>>> sure.
>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
>>>> processed.
>>>>
>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
>>>> and
>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>>> vegetables
>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>>> and
>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>>
>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
>>>> you
>>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>>> when they think "processed".
>>>
>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>
>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>
>
> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and butter
> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
> food"? I don't get it.
>
I do believe you get it. You're just being contrary. I'm talking abut
home made vs. storebought. Sure, if you "prepare" mashed potatoes,
package them and sell them in quantities in plastic tubs it's going to
require some sort of chemical stabilizer. Read the label on this tub of
potatoes:

http://www.hormel.com/products/Variety.aspx?ID=28&

Oh yum! A Hormel product! That's processed food. Okay?

> People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
> dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?
>
>
You know better than that. The Betty Crocker dehydrated potato slices
crap has been sitting in a warehouse for who the hell knows how long?
If you dehydrate it yourself, you prepared it. Fresh. That's the
difference.

Jill

Julie Bove wrote:

> > I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
> > when they think "processed".
>
> That's what I thought too. But I was wrong.

I have a suggestion for you: Use your brand-new dictionary to look up
"context". If it's too difficult, let us know, and we'll explain it all.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/3/2013 10:41 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>>>> sure.
>>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>>>>> is
>>>>> processed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>>>>> cheese
>>>>> and
>>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>>>> vegetables
>>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>>>>> foodist,
>>>>> you
>>>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>>>> when they think "processed".
>>>>
>>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>>
>>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed"
>>> food.
>>
>>
>> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter
>> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
>> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
>> food"? I don't get it.
>>
> I do believe you get it. You're just being contrary. I'm talking abut
> home made vs. storebought. Sure, if you "prepare" mashed potatoes,
> package them and sell them in quantities in plastic tubs it's going to
> require some sort of chemical stabilizer. Read the label on this tub of
> potatoes:
>
> http://www.hormel.com/products/Variety.aspx?ID=28&
>
> Oh yum! A Hormel product! That's processed food. Okay?

now you are changing your story. I can buy store made stuff around here
that is fresh and no preservatives.


>
>> People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
>> dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?
>>
>>
> You know better than that. The Betty Crocker dehydrated potato slices
> crap has been sitting in a warehouse for who the hell knows how long?

If you dehydrate it yourself, you prepared it. Fresh. That's the
> difference.
>

"fresh dehydrated". Yeah, I get it now. BAH HAH HAH HAH.


L

when i think of Processed Foods,
i think of

made by a machine
not knowing what's in it
& not knowing what i'm eating
chemicals
healthy?
long long ingredients list
not understanding the ingredient words
etc

marc

On Apr 3, 11:01*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
> >>> sure.
> >>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
> >>> processed.
>
> >>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. *Milk is processed. *So are cheese
> >>> and
> >>> yogurt. *If it's frozen? *It's processed. *Even if it is simply
> >>> vegetables
> >>> or fruit with nothing added. *Flour would be processed. *So would rice
> >>> and
> >>> pasta of all kinds. *Anything in a can is processed. *Dried foods are
> >>> processed. *If you cook it? *You've processed it.
>
> >>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
> >>> you
> >>> are eating processed foods!
>
> >> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
> >> when they think "processed".
>
> > Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>
> > Examples: *I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> > butter and mashing them. *Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
> > container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>
> Well, you can have milk! *I can't. *I have tried making real mashed potatoes
> that way and while they're fine in Pierogies, they're not so tasty
> otherwise. *Plus currently I am the only person eating potatoes. *And when I
> do eat them it is late at night for a snack. *So it works better for me to
> use the flakes in salted water.
>
> > I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
> > sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. *If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
> > Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. *But the boxed
> > stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
> > "cheese". *That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.
>
> The boxed stuff is nasty. *I tried it once many years ago.
>
> > Let's don't forget the Hamburger Helper!
>
> I don't eat that either.

We (my Mother and others) make Pierogis. Hungarian/EthnicGerman
style.
We roll out the pasta, and fill them with Potatoes Paprikash that are
a bit mashed up. They are very good.

In article >, says...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
> >>> sure.
> >>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
> >>> processed.
> >>>
> >>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese
> >>> and
> >>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
> >>> vegetables
> >>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
> >>> and
> >>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
> >>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
> >>>
> >>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist,
> >>> you
> >>> are eating processed foods!
> >>>
> >>
> >> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
> >> when they think "processed".
> >>
> > Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
> >
> > Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> > butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
> > container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>
>
> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and butter
> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
> food"? I don't get it.

If you go to the supermarket and buy a tray of ready made cooked
chicken recipe, or mashed potatoes, or lasagne, you are not just buying
the recipe ingredients you would cook to make the same thing at home.
You've bought a heap of processing chemicals and additives that you
would never add (or need) making it at home.

Those are the added salts, preservatives, thickeners, fats, flavour
enhancers, sugars, artificial flavourings, textures and colouringss etc
that keep that factory-made food safe and presentable for the extended
period it takes from factory prep and assembly to distributor to
supermarket and the customer kitchen.

Childrens brains are not fully developed so far more susceptible to
such additives. Given that those myriad additives to processed foods
(and commercial packaging) are long established as potentially causing
all kinds of reactions in consumers from asthma to obesity and child
behavioural problems, I'm amazed you know so little about processed
foods and feed so much of it to your daughter.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/t...n-common-food-
additives

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...he-proof-food-
additives-ARE-bad-feared.html

Janet UK.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/3/2013 10:41 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>>>>> sure.
>>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>>>>> is
>>>>> processed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>>>>> cheese
>>>>> and
>>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>>>>> vegetables
>>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>>>>> and
>>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>>>>> foodist,
>>>>> you
>>>>> are eating processed foods!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>>>> when they think "processed".
>>>>
>>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>>
>>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed"
>>> food.
>>
>>
>> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter
>> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
>> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
>> food"? I don't get it.
>>
> I do believe you get it. You're just being contrary. I'm talking abut
> home made vs. storebought. Sure, if you "prepare" mashed potatoes,
> package them and sell them in quantities in plastic tubs it's going to
> require some sort of chemical stabilizer. Read the label on this tub of
> potatoes:
>
> http://www.hormel.com/products/Variety.aspx?ID=28&
>
> Oh yum! A Hormel product! That's processed food. Okay?
>
>> People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
>> dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?
>>
>>
> You know better than that. The Betty Crocker dehydrated potato slices
> crap has been sitting in a warehouse for who the hell knows how long? If
> you dehydrate it yourself, you prepared it. Fresh. That's the
> difference.

But it's still processed. I looked this up because someone said to me that
it looked like I bought a lot of processed food. So I said to myself...
Just what is processed food! And it's not what I thought it was. I thought
it was stuff like bologna, hot dogs, Velveeta, Spaghettios. And they are
but so are most of the other things we find in a grocery store. And once we
cut into them or cook them, we have processed them too. So that business
about avoiding processed foods is a bunch of hooey.

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> > I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>> > when they think "processed".
>>
>> That's what I thought too. But I was wrong.
>
> I have a suggestion for you: Use your brand-new dictionary to look up
> "context". If it's too difficult, let us know, and we'll explain it all.

No. The websites bore out that there are good processed foods and bad one.
So to tell someone to avoid processed foods is just nonsense. And that's
what I keep hearing time and time again.

Julie Bove wrote:

> > I have a suggestion for you: Use your brand-new dictionary to look up
> > "context". If it's too difficult, let us know, and we'll explain it all.
>
> No. The websites bore out that there are good processed foods and bad one.
> So to tell someone to avoid processed foods is just nonsense. And that's
> what I keep hearing time and time again.

If I didn't know you're for real, I'd surely believe you're putting us on. But
I know you're being completely honest, without any attempt at humor or
falsehood of any stripe. So sad.

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 1:28:41 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 4/3/2013 10:41 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
>
> >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> >> ...
>
> >>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> >>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>
> >>>>> sure.
>
> >>>>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>
> >>>>> is
>
> >>>>> processed.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>
> >>>>> cheese
>
> >>>>> and
>
> >>>>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>
> >>>>> vegetables
>
> >>>>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>
> >>>>> and
>
> >>>>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>
> >>>>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>
> >>>>> foodist,
>
> >>>>> you
>
> >>>>> are eating processed foods!
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>
> >>>> when they think "processed".
>
> >>>>
>
> >>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>
> >>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>
> >>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed"
>
> >>> food.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>
> >> butter
>
> >> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
>
> >> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
>
> >> food"? I don't get it.
>
> >>
>
> > I do believe you get it. You're just being contrary. I'm talking abut
>
> > home made vs. storebought. Sure, if you "prepare" mashed potatoes,
>
> > package them and sell them in quantities in plastic tubs it's going to
>
> > require some sort of chemical stabilizer. Read the label on this tub of
>
> > potatoes:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.hormel.com/products/Variety.aspx?ID=28&
>
> >
>
> > Oh yum! A Hormel product! That's processed food. Okay?
>
> >
>
> >> People here talk about dehydrating stuff all the time. If you or I
>
> >> dehydrate something at home it is "processed"?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> > You know better than that. The Betty Crocker dehydrated potato slices
>
> > crap has been sitting in a warehouse for who the hell knows how long? If
>
> > you dehydrate it yourself, you prepared it. Fresh. That's the
>
> > difference.
>
>
>
> But it's still processed. I looked this up because someone said to me that
>
> it looked like I bought a lot of processed food. So I said to myself...
>
> Just what is processed food! And it's not what I thought it was. I thought
>
> it was stuff like bologna, hot dogs, Velveeta, Spaghettios. And they are
>
> but so are most of the other things we find in a grocery store. And once we
>
> cut into them or cook them, we have processed them too. So that business
>
> about avoiding processed foods is a bunch of hooey.

I know you're...slow...but you can't possibly be this stupid. Please reread all the responses to your original post and try to read for comprehension this time, instead of looking for openings to demonstrate what a unique flower you are.

Julie Bove wrote:

> But it's still processed. I looked this up because someone said to me that
> it looked like I bought a lot of processed food. So I said to myself...
> Just what is processed food! And it's not what I thought it was. I thought
> it was stuff like bologna, hot dogs, Velveeta, Spaghettios. And they are
> but so are most of the other things we find in a grocery store. And once we
> cut into them or cook them, we have processed them too. So that business
> about avoiding processed foods is a bunch of hooey.

now you can enjoy the doritos guilt free

THREAD CLOSED

On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:29:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> The websites bore out that there are good processed foods and bad one.
> So to tell someone to avoid processed foods is just nonsense. And that's
> what I keep hearing time and time again.

Agreed. Apparently those who say it are under the same impression I
was.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:47:45 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for sure.
> >> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it is
> >> processed.
> >>
> >> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are cheese and
> >> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply vegetables
> >> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice and
> >> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
> >> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
> >>
> >> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole foodist, you
> >> are eating processed foods!
> >>
> >
> > I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
> > when they think "processed".
> >
> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>
> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>
> I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
> sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
> Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. But the boxed
> stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
> "cheese". That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.
>
> Let's don't forget the Hamburger Helper!
>
That's what I was thinking too, but then I read websites like this
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3100614AAJu1mL

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Apr 3, 1:47*pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
> > > I have a suggestion for you: Use your brand-new dictionary to look up

>
> If I didn't know you're for real, I'd surely believe you're putting us on.. But
> I know you're being completely honest, without any attempt at humor or
> falsehood of any stripe. So sad.

You just don't realize how thing are up on Planet Bove.
She lies awake night dreaming up topics which that will proceed ad
nauseam.

A Moose in Love wrote:
>
> Whenever I'm on the West Coast, I catch me some banana slugs and eat
> em' raw. They're like 6" long snails without shells. I swallow em'
> up live. My stomach processes them though.

oh yum. And just *why* do you do that?

G.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
> On Apr 3, 1:47 pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> > > I have a suggestion for you: Use your brand-new dictionary to look up
>
>>
>> If I didn't know you're for real, I'd surely believe you're putting us
>> on. But
>> I know you're being completely honest, without any attempt at humor or
>> falsehood of any stripe. So sad.
>
> You just don't realize how thing are up on Planet Bove.
> She lies awake night dreaming up topics which that will proceed ad
> nauseam.

So she forces you to jump on board eh? You just can't help yourself can
you lol I really don't know why you are complaining <g>

--
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Janet" > wrote in message
T...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know
>> >>> for
>> >>> sure.
>> >>> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>> >>> is
>> >>> processed.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>> >>> cheese
>> >>> and
>> >>> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>> >>> vegetables
>> >>> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would
>> >>> rice
>> >>> and
>> >>> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>> >>> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>> >>>
>> >>> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>> >>> foodist,
>> >>> you
>> >>> are eating processed foods!
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>> >> when they think "processed".
>> >>
>> > Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>> >
>> > Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> > butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>> > container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed"
>> > food.
>>
>>
>> So if I "*prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter
>> and mashing them", put it in the fridge, and then give it to you, it has
>> become a "refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes [that] is "processed"
>> food"? I don't get it.
>
> If you go to the supermarket and buy a tray of ready made cooked
> chicken recipe, or mashed potatoes, or lasagne, you are not just buying
> the recipe ingredients you would cook to make the same thing at home.
> You've bought a heap of processing chemicals and additives that you
> would never add (or need) making it at home.

Sometimes but not always. Central Market makes their food fresh. No
additves like that. PCC and Whole Foods are the same.
>
> Those are the added salts, preservatives, thickeners, fats, flavour
> enhancers, sugars, artificial flavourings, textures and colouringss etc
> that keep that factory-made food safe and presentable for the extended
> period it takes from factory prep and assembly to distributor to
> supermarket and the customer kitchen.
>
> Childrens brains are not fully developed so far more susceptible to
> such additives. Given that those myriad additives to processed foods
> (and commercial packaging) are long established as potentially causing
> all kinds of reactions in consumers from asthma to obesity and child
> behavioural problems, I'm amazed you know so little about processed
> foods and feed so much of it to your daughter.
>
> http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/t...n-common-food-
> additives
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...he-proof-food-
> additives-ARE-bad-feared.html
>
> Janet UK.

I don't feed so much of it to my daughter. I do read the labels. I do know
what is in there. Feeding her cooked chicken now and then isn't so bad.

wrote:
>
> If she represented the average intelligence of humans, we'd still be
> living in caves. And she proves that rule that the stupidest among us
> have no idea they are at all stupid.

And speaking of what you just said.... we all know how Alzheimer’s Disease
is not a good thing to go out with. One of my grandfathers had that bad and
didn't even recognize my dad (his son) near the end.

I've always felt that it's certainly bad for the family but how bad can it
be for the person afflicted? No worries about forgetting if you don't
remember in the first place? I have no idea. That's just always been my
thing to ponder.

G.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:47:45 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/3/2013 3:54 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:58:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I just looked this up because I realized that I really didn't know for
>> >> sure.
>> >> But it looks to me like if it isn't raw meat, fruit or vegetables, it
>> >> is
>> >> processed.
>> >>
>> >> Nuts out of the shell are processed. Milk is processed. So are
>> >> cheese and
>> >> yogurt. If it's frozen? It's processed. Even if it is simply
>> >> vegetables
>> >> or fruit with nothing added. Flour would be processed. So would rice
>> >> and
>> >> pasta of all kinds. Anything in a can is processed. Dried foods are
>> >> processed. If you cook it? You've processed it.
>> >>
>> >> So I'd be willing to bet that unless you are a raw vegan whole
>> >> foodist, you
>> >> are eating processed foods!
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think most people are thinking of foods with additives/preservatives
>> > when they think "processed".
>> >
>> Yep, she's confusing "preparation" with "processing".
>>
>> Examples: I *prepare* mashed potatoes by boiling them, adding milk and
>> butter and mashing them. Using a box of dried potato flakes or a
>> container of refrigerated heat & eat mashed potatoes is "processed" food.
>>
>> I *prepare* au gratin potatoes by slicing fresh potatoes, making a white
>> sauce, adding grated cheese, then bake. If I buy a box of Betty Crocker
>> Au Gratin Potato mix, sure, the prep method is similar. But the boxed
>> stuff contains dehydrated potato slices with a packet of powdered
>> "cheese". That's what I think of when I think of "processed" food.
>>
>> Let's don't forget the Hamburger Helper!
>>
> That's what I was thinking too, but then I read websites like this
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3100614AAJu1mL

That's pretty much what all of those other websites said too!

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:28:41 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> But it's still processed. I looked this up because someone said to me
>> that
>> it looked like I bought a lot of processed food. So I said to myself...
>> Just what is processed food! And it's not what I thought it was. I
>> thought
>> it was stuff like bologna, hot dogs, Velveeta, Spaghettios. And they are
>> but so are most of the other things we find in a grocery store. And once
>> we
>> cut into them or cook them, we have processed them too. So that business
>> about avoiding processed foods is a bunch of hooey.
>
> So then everything we eat is processed. Since once you start to chew
> it, it's processed. Even the water we drink is processed unless we
> drink it right from the source.
>
> You're just being an anal troll, IMO.

That's true too according to some sources. So saying to people not to eat
processed foods is nonsense. I suppose one could swallow tiny things whole.
Like blueberries and little grapes. One might choke and they probably
wouldn't digest too well.

Kalmia wrote:
> On Apr 3, 1:47 pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> I have a suggestion for you: Use your brand-new dictionary to look
>>>> up
>
>>
>> If I didn't know you're for real, I'd surely believe you're putting
>> us on. But I know you're being completely honest, without any
>> attempt at humor or falsehood of any stripe. So sad.
>
> You just don't realize how thing are up on Planet Bove.
> She lies awake night dreaming up topics which that will proceed ad
> nauseam.

No. I looked it up based on what someone said to me.

Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> If she represented the average intelligence of humans, we'd still be
>> living in caves. And she proves that rule that the stupidest among us
>> have no idea they are at all stupid.
>
> And speaking of what you just said.... we all know how Alzheimer's
> Disease is not a good thing to go out with. One of my grandfathers
> had that bad and didn't even recognize my dad (his son) near the end.
>
> I've always felt that it's certainly bad for the family but how bad
> can it be for the person afflicted? No worries about forgetting if
> you don't remember in the first place? I have no idea. That's just
> always been my thing to ponder.

I am going through that with family now. Sadly there is more to it than
memory loss. The memory loss is mostly frustrating to others I suppose.
But my dad is very intelligent and will tell people, "They tell me that my
cognitive functions are not what they used to be. I think I can not do
that!" So he knows on some level that he is losing it. And that has to be
sad and probably demoralizing. Since this runs rampant in my family I am
doing my best to try to avoid it. And that is starting with diet and
exercise. And some supplements.

What I find annoying is being called a liar, being told that such products
don't exist, never did, I made that up, that didn't happen, I dreamed it,
etc. This is not my dad doing this. Someone else. But it got so bad that
I began to feel like I was losing it! I won't retell the whole thing here.
But I did contact another family member just to clarify. This person is
deep into it I think and just won't get diagnosed or allow it to happen or
admit to it or whatever...