sf wrote
>
>We love going out with friends and have evolved into the stage of life
>where we go out to dinner with them rather than invite them over;
>because all the focus is on enjoying the conversation and their
>company with none of the stress of preparing the yard, the house, the
>food - serving it and cleaning up afterwards.

That's a telling reason for going out to eat with others, you live
like a slob... why is your house not clean and neat all the time?!?!?
I prefer going out to eat with friends because not everyone cooks, not
everyone has a large enough space to entertain, and most importantly
going out to eat with friends negates the reciprocity issue... my home
is always ready to receive guests but I reached the station in life
where I no longer want to be the only one playing host.

Slavemaster Shelley whined:

> why is your house not clean and neat all the time?!?!?

Crack that whip! Push those slaves! Work, work, work!

On 13/04/2013 11:14 AM, Cheri wrote:

>> My mother in law used to do that with the BiL when she cooked holiday
>> dinners. She would tell us one time and tell him it was one hour
>> earlier. He would still be late. It drove my FiL crazy because he was
>> always punctual.
>
> Yes, it is enough to drive punctual people crazy. I think the only
> solution for serial late arrivals is to just go ahead without them
> because they're usually not going to change.
>

I once suggested to my MiL that we go ahead and eat because it was a
shame to have perfectly done roast ruined. She wanted to wait a few
more minutes and they did show up. It always ruined dinners to have the
punctual FiL upset about the lateness and his schedule being disrupted.

I knew a grumpy old man who had no patience with the tardy types. He
didn't like his stepson much to begin with, but it was especially
annoying for him that the guy was always late. When they had dinner he
insisted that dinner be served at the time the son and his wife had been
invited for, and as soon as they were done he put the food away and
cleaned up the kitchen. When the guests finally showed up they were not
offered any food. FWIW... it didn't help the situation.

For most of the chronically tardy it is just a stupid little power trip
and they tend to get upset when people deny them that petty sort of
control over them, With the guy at work.... we had to go to an early
morning meeting at our head office meeting at our head office. It was
about 70 miles from our office and there is nasty rush hour traffic, We
normally started day shifts at 6 am but planned to come in early and
leave at 5:45. That would get us there before the bad rush and we would
have breakfast there. We told him what time were were leaving....
several times, and warned him that if he was not there we would go
without him.

We left the office at 5:45 and at 7:30 we were at the restaurant
across the road having breakfast. Then we went to across the road for
our meeting. He showed up late for the meeting and he was furious with
us for not waiting. We told him that he had said we were leaving at 5:45
with or without him and he wasn't there. He said we could have waited a
few minutes. As it turned out he wasn't even there for our normal 6 am
start. He had not shown up until 6:15, and then he got stuck in rush
hour traffic. If we had waited we would all have been wait.



The SiL that held everyone up on a European trip was indulged for far
too long. Everywhere we went and everything we did, we had to wait for
here. Then we arrived in Paris and she had some sort of meltdown. Didn't
like the hotel of the neighourhood, so she sat in her room and pouted.
We wasted a day making arrangements for another hotel. We finally got
into a better hotel and wanted to go for a walk. She asked if we could
wait for an hour while she had a bath. WTF.?? She had already wasted 24
hours of our time and now she wanted us to wait while she had a bath.

We relented... actually gave her and hour and a quarter. She didn't show
up. Other brother and SiL said he had to wait... 15, minutes, 30 minutes
after 45 I left and went off on my own. I got back at 6:30, jsut as she
was finally stepping out of her hotel room. She asked where the others
were and I said I thought they had gone for a walk. She went postal,
started yelling at me that we were supposed to wait for her. I looked at
her and said "That was 3-1/2 hours ago."

Some time later she whined to my wife about the incident (my wife had
not been able to go on that trip). SiL's version was "Do you know what
these guys did to me in Paris? We were supposed to go for a walk
together, but when I went down to the lobby to meet them they had
already gone without me." Apparently.... this was something that we
had done to her, and her version skipped over the fact that she had
wasted three days of my time on that trip, and that she had asked us to
wait an hour and then took 3 1/2 hours. As it turned out, she had had a
bath and a nap..... and had the nerve to be ****ed off at us for not
waiting for her......again.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...

> Some time later she whined to my wife about the incident (my wife had not
> been able to go on that trip). SiL's version was "Do you know what these
> guys did to me in Paris? We were supposed to go for a walk together, but
> when I went down to the lobby to meet them they had already gone without
> me." Apparently.... this was something that we had done to her, and her
> version skipped over the fact that she had wasted three days of my time on
> that trip, and that she had asked us to wait an hour and then took 3 1/2
> hours. As it turned out, she had had a bath and a nap..... and had the
> nerve to be ****ed off at us for not waiting for her......again.
>
>


The tendency to leave out key parts runs rampant. Y'all were a lot better
with her than I would have been. :-)

On 4/13/2013 3:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> The SiL that held everyone up on a European trip was indulged for far
> too long. Everywhere we went and everything we did, we had to wait for
> here. Then we arrived in Paris and she had some sort of meltdown. Didn't
> like the hotel of the neighourhood, so she sat in her room and pouted.
> We wasted a day making arrangements for another hotel. We finally got
> into a better hotel and wanted to go for a walk. She asked if we could
> wait for an hour while she had a bath. WTF.?? She had already wasted 24
> hours of our time and now she wanted us to wait while she had a bath.
>
> We relented... actually gave her and hour and a quarter. She didn't show
> up. Other brother and SiL said he had to wait... 15, minutes, 30 minutes
> after 45 I left and went off on my own. I got back at 6:30, jsut as she
> was finally stepping out of her hotel room. She asked where the others
> were and I said I thought they had gone for a walk. She went postal,
> started yelling at me that we were supposed to wait for her. I looked at
> her and said "That was 3-1/2 hours ago."
>
> Some time later she whined to my wife about the incident (my wife had
> not been able to go on that trip). SiL's version was "Do you know what
> these guys did to me in Paris? We were supposed to go for a walk
> together, but when I went down to the lobby to meet them they had
> already gone without me." Apparently.... this was something that we
> had done to her, and her version skipped over the fact that she had
> wasted three days of my time on that trip, and that she had asked us to
> wait an hour and then took 3 1/2 hours. As it turned out, she had had a
> bath and a nap..... and had the nerve to be ****ed off at us for not
> waiting for her......again.

She sounds more than self-centered, she sounds she could use a checkup
from the neck up.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/13/2013 3:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> The SiL that held everyone up on a European trip was indulged for far
>> too long. Everywhere we went and everything we did, we had to wait for
>> here. Then we arrived in Paris and she had some sort of meltdown. Didn't
>> like the hotel of the neighourhood, so she sat in her room and pouted.
>> We wasted a day making arrangements for another hotel. We finally got
>> into a better hotel and wanted to go for a walk. She asked if we could
>> wait for an hour while she had a bath. WTF.?? She had already wasted 24
>> hours of our time and now she wanted us to wait while she had a bath.
>>
>> We relented... actually gave her and hour and a quarter. She didn't show
>> up. Other brother and SiL said he had to wait... 15, minutes, 30 minutes
>> after 45 I left and went off on my own. I got back at 6:30, jsut as she
>> was finally stepping out of her hotel room. She asked where the others
>> were and I said I thought they had gone for a walk. She went postal,
>> started yelling at me that we were supposed to wait for her. I looked at
>> her and said "That was 3-1/2 hours ago."
>>
>> Some time later she whined to my wife about the incident (my wife had
>> not been able to go on that trip). SiL's version was "Do you know what
>> these guys did to me in Paris? We were supposed to go for a walk
>> together, but when I went down to the lobby to meet them they had
>> already gone without me." Apparently.... this was something that we
>> had done to her, and her version skipped over the fact that she had
>> wasted three days of my time on that trip, and that she had asked us to
>> wait an hour and then took 3 1/2 hours. As it turned out, she had had a
>> bath and a nap..... and had the nerve to be ****ed off at us for not
>> waiting for her......again.
>
> She sounds more than self-centered, she sounds she could use a checkup
> from the neck up.
>
> nancy

And maybe a little wall to wall counseling to boot. ;-)

Cheri

On 13/04/2013 5:01 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> not been able to go on that trip). SiL's version was "Do you know what
>> these guys did to me in Paris? We were supposed to go for a walk
>> together, but when I went down to the lobby to meet them they had
>> already gone without me." Apparently.... this was something that we
>> had done to her, and her version skipped over the fact that she had
>> wasted three days of my time on that trip, and that she had asked us to
>> wait an hour and then took 3 1/2 hours. As it turned out, she had had a
>> bath and a nap..... and had the nerve to be ****ed off at us for not
>> waiting for her......again.
>
> She sounds more than self-centered, she sounds she could use a checkup
> from the neck up.


I don't need to worry about it. She had estranged herself from the rest
of our family I haven't seen her for close to four years now, though
they live only a couple miles from us. But ain't it typical. I figure
that she wasted at least three days of my time on a two week trip. The
incident in Paris was the last straw. She would treat the rest of us
with so much disrespect, and keep us waiting for her so much, and her
take on it is that we did something to her. The only thing we did was to
stop wasting our time waiting for her. We only had four days in Paris
and she had wasted a day and a half of it.

On 13/04/2013 4:01 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Some time later she whined to my wife about the incident (my wife had
>> not been able to go on that trip). SiL's version was "Do you know what
>> these guys did to me in Paris? We were supposed to go for a walk
>> together, but when I went down to the lobby to meet them they had
>> already gone without me." Apparently.... this was something that we
>> had done to her, and her version skipped over the fact that she had
>> wasted three days of my time on that trip, and that she had asked us
>> to wait an hour and then took 3 1/2 hours. As it turned out, she had
>> had a bath and a nap..... and had the nerve to be ****ed off at us for
>> not waiting for her......again.
>>
>>
>
>
> The tendency to leave out key parts runs rampant. Y'all were a lot
> better with her than I would have been. :-)


I cut here a LOT of slack because she is my brother's wife. I am
surprised that he did not leave her long ago. He sure did enough
bitching about her himself, but knowing how loyal he is to her, for what
I don't know, I had to zip my lip. So many times I was tempted to tell
him to grow some balls and ditch her.

I love these tardiness stories - in that I realize I am not the only person victimized by the problem.

I knew a couple who were always late - and would kinda laugh about it, like it was their schtick. They ALSO had a penchant for weaseling out of paying their fair share. I used to sell tickets for events at our club, and they were notorious for coming a. late, and b. sneaking in the back door by my ticket sales station. They'd hide in a deep crowd at the bar, but I got wise to em and would go right to them and in a loud voice, ask "Do you want your tickets NOW?" and of course, trapped like rats, they had to buy and pay. Touche.

My father hated a certain relative's tardiness. One Xmas Eve, the food was ready at 5 as planned, the relative hadn't arrive, my poor mother was trying to be polite and stall the dinner. Dad announced at 5, "I want to be pulling out of the garage at 6, so let's eat NOW." The relative came bustling in, all aflutter, about 5:20, muttering the reason for this particular tardiness, and without raising his head or laying down his fork, he said "Ah, you're ALWAYS late." and kept on eating. Shut HER up. But AFAIK, she is still late for everything and just doesn't get it. You just can't shame these types into punctuality.

Maybe everyone needs to serve time in the military and then they'll learn about being early for their watch -- ahoy, mateys.

So much for group travel. Even my best FRIENDS and we split up and promise to meet for dinner at such and such a time and place. It's tough enough for two friends to go somewhere together -- add two spouses and there's big trouble.

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 1:59:24 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> That's a telling reason for going out to eat with others, you live
>
> like a slob... why is your house not clean and neat all the time?!?!?

If someone's like me, they want the house perfect for company and therefore prefer eating out, as no one's house is always guest-ready. A drop-in guest sends me into orbit.

As to music in a resto, I don't like live music in the room - it's always too loud. I can take canned, soft instrumental work, but please - no steel drum bands.
I sat near a wonderful pianist and soloist one night, but as great they were, they did NOT belong in a dining room.

On 13/04/2013 6:57 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>
> I love these tardiness stories - in that I realize I am not the only
> person victimized by the problem.
>
> I knew a couple who were always late - and would kinda laugh about
> it, like it was their schtick. They ALSO had a penchant for
> weaseling out of paying their fair share. I used to sell tickets for
> events at our club, and they were notorious for coming a. late, and
> b. sneaking in the back door by my ticket sales station. They'd hide
> in a deep crowd at the bar, but I got wise to em and would go right
> to them and in a loud voice, ask "Do you want your tickets NOW?" and
> of course, trapped like rats, they had to buy and pay. Touche.

Cheap *******s. I guess that if they try to make a joke of it they are
fair game to be called out on it.


> My father hated a certain relative's tardiness. One Xmas Eve, the
> food was ready at 5 as planned, the relative hadn't arrive, my poor
> mother was trying to be polite and stall the dinner. Dad announced at
> 5, "I want to be pulling out of the garage at 6, so let's eat NOW."
> The relative came bustling in, all aflutter, about 5:20, muttering
> the reason for this particular tardiness, and without raising his
> head or laying down his fork, he said "Ah, you're ALWAYS late." and
> kept on eating. Shut HER up. But AFAIK, she is still late for
> everything and just doesn't get it. You just can't shame these types
> into punctuality.


Yep Always late and always an excuse. At my FiL's Xmas party it was
always my nephew who was the last to arrive, and way later than everyone
else. The last one I remember he was almost three hours late. My wife
bought his excuse. Apparently his daughter had been very ill the night
before and he had to take her to the hospital and didn't get home until
3 am. She bought it. I didn't. He and the child's mother were separated
and the mother had custody. It would have been the mother that would
have taken her to the hospital. He was able to come to the brunch
without her. Even if he had been the one who had taken her and didn't
get home until 3 am, that still gave him time for 6-7 hours sleep and
get up, get cleaned up and dressed and walk a few blocks.

The guy was always late and always had an excuse. As far as I was
concerned, it was a better excuse that he usually has. It worked on his
mother and his aunt (my wife) but I didn't buy it for a minute.



> Maybe everyone needs to serve time in the military and then they'll
> learn about being early for their watch -- ahoy, mateys.

I was in the reserves. We would not dare to be late. I was never late
for school or late for work. If I have any distance to travel and might
run into traffic I leave early to allot time for emergencies.

On 13/04/2013 7:00 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> So much for group travel. Even my best FRIENDS and we split up and
> promise to meet for dinner at such and such a time and place. It's
> tough enough for two friends to go somewhere together -- add two
> spouses and there's big trouble.
>



Oh no. That doesn't work with the chronically late who are on a power
trip. On that European trip the only problem I had with my other
brother and SiL was that they indulged the bitch in law too much. Even
they got fed up and left that night. They were furious when they heard
about her account about what*we* had done to her, as if we had been the
ones who had done something wrong. I felt sorry for them because we
were travelling in Germany and France and I know enough French and
German to get by, but none of them could. Never the less, once we
finished the business we were there for, and after I saw what was going
on, I should have just headed off on my own for a week and a half and
met them at the airport for the trip home.

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 7:17:47 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> Cheap *******s. I guess that if they try to make a joke of it they are
>
> fair game to be called out on it.

AND they were not bad off, either. They were also known to cheat at cards and other games etc.






>
> I was in the reserves. We would not dare to be late. I was never late
>
> for school or late for work. If I have any distance to travel and might
>
> run into traffic I leave early to allot time for emergencies.


I STILL have later-for-work dreams and I think I was ONCE. In my place, bad attendance and tardiness could get you fired.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:57:29 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:



>Maybe everyone needs to serve time in the military and then they'll learn about being early for their watch -- ahoy, mateys.

I'd like to see the draft re-instated. Made many a wayward boy into a
responsible young man.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:05:57 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

> On Saturday, April 13, 2013 1:59:24 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >
> > That's a telling reason for going out to eat with others, you live
> >
> > like a slob... why is your house not clean and neat all the time?!?!?
>
> If someone's like me, they want the house perfect for company and therefore prefer eating out, as no one's house is always guest-ready. A drop-in guest sends me into orbit.

Thank you! I have nothing to be ashamed of or apologize for. I have
a large, well furnished, (just for Sheldon) neat house that can
accommodate 70 people easily, I've entertained extensively in the past
and I'm over it. Our weather is not conducive to casual outdoor
entertaining - ever, so a BBQ type meal outside is never an option.
When I entertain, it's formal and I don't feel like going through all
that work just to visit with old friends. If they come over for
appetizers and drinks before dinner or coffee and dessert after, I
have all the pleasantries of entertaining at home with none of the
dinner planning, prep and clean up. <shrug> We can well afford to
dine where we want and so can our friends. As a "for instance", our
last meal out with friends was less than a month ago at Gary Danko.
http://www.garydanko.com/ and yes, we used their valet parking.



--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:
>
> We can well afford to
> dine where we want and so can our friends. As a "for instance", our
> last meal out with friends was less than a month ago at Gary Danko.
> http://www.garydanko.com/ and yes, we used their valet parking.


You were interested in trying strawberry-rubarb pie a while back.
I notice they offer this for a dessert course:
"Strawberry-Rhubarb Tart with Pistachio Frangipane"

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:54:43 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>sf wrote:
>>
>> We can well afford to
>> dine where we want and so can our friends. As a "for instance", our
>> last meal out with friends was less than a month ago at Gary Danko.
>> http://www.garydanko.com/ and yes, we used their valet parking.
>


Our house is always OK for guest, but at time we'd spend a few minutes
to neaten up things like the newspaper on the table, or a coffee mug
that did not make it back to the kitchen.

Many factors determine what we do. We have friends we see frequently
for various activities. They may be a weekend away together, dinner
at a nice restaurant or just to hang out for a couple of hours. At
times we'd have a fancy meal at home to try out a recipe that was
interesting or some unusual ingredient we ran across.

We have friends we see less often. Sometimes we have a dinner at
home, theirs or ours. Sometimes we will go out.

We have friends we see rarely because of the distance. In cases like
that, we never loose sight of the fact that being with friends and
enjoying their company is far more important than what we eat. I'd
rather have a boiled hotdog or delivery pizza than to miss
conversation and friendship by going to a fancy restaurant not
conducive to a quiet conversation.

My wife no longer had the ability to make a big fancy meal so that
changes the choices. Simple meal or we go out.

Never forget, people are first priority.

On 4/14/2013 7:09 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Our house is always OK for guest, but at time we'd spend a few minutes
> to neaten up things like the newspaper on the table, or a coffee mug
> that did not make it back to the kitchen.

Our house is in no shape for us to have visitors. We've been here a
year and the list of things we have to fix and remodel is seemingly
endless. We put a lot of time and money getting the place fit for human
habitation... now we are slowly working on things that we WANT to do
instead of things we HAVE to do.

When we want to dine with family or friends, we go out to a restaurant.

(Today we have a crew here hauling away a year's accumulation of trees
we cut down and piles of brush we have cleared. It took a year to pile
all this up... and it will take 5 guys all day to haul it away. This is
a pretty big thing for us and I'll be glad when it is over)

George L

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:54:43 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > We can well afford to
> > dine where we want and so can our friends. As a "for instance", our
> > last meal out with friends was less than a month ago at Gary Danko.
> > http://www.garydanko.com/ and yes, we used their valet parking.
>
>
> You were interested in trying strawberry-rubarb pie a while back.
> I notice they offer this for a dessert course:
> "Strawberry-Rhubarb Tart with Pistachio Frangipane"

You were looking at a sample menu. It changes seasonally and there
was no strawberry-rhubarb anything on this year's Spring menu. I
ordered a chocolate souffle. Hadn't had one of those in decades and
it was as delicious as I remembered.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:09:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Never forget, people are first priority.

And that's why we choose to dine out these days.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>Kalmia wrote:
>
>>Maybe everyone needs to serve time in the military and then they'll learn
>about being early for their watch -- ahoy, mateys.
>
>I'd like to see the draft re-instated. Made many a wayward boy into a
>responsible young man.

Amen! And makes a wayword gal into a responsible young lady... ALL
males and females should have to serve. Of course the draft would
need to be administered fairly... no escapees regardless how well
connected the parents... and even most physically disabled can serve
in some capacity, there're many thousands of desk jobs.

sf wrote:
> Kalmia wrote:
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >
>> > That's a telling reason for going out to eat with others, you live
>> > like a slob... why is your house not clean and neat all the time?!?!?
>>
>> If someone's like me, they want the house perfect for company and
>> therefore prefer eating out, as no one's house is always guest-ready.

I can't comprehend what you mean by guest ready... your abode is
either generally tidy always or you live like a slob. Guests don't
expect OR sterile... my house is guest ready at all times, I keep my
abode neat and clean and my grounds manicured for me, same I bathe
every day too... I don't need to do anything out of the ordinary to
receive guests. When I do eat out with friends it's never because I'm
ashamed of my abode, I already explained that it's mostly because of
reciprocity issues. And I can prepare dinner for twenty as easily as
for two... cookware comes in all sizes... no difference cooking a four
pound roast as a twenty pounder, no difference whatsoever, in fact
larger roasts are more forgiving. I can just as easly roast a turkey
as a chicken. But as I explained, I'm at that station in life where
I'm tired of being the only one in the group who prepares/pays for
dinner, so now it's we all eat out and pay our own way or I stay home
and eat fried bologna grilled cheese Rubens.
http://www.southernplate.com/2009/09...andwiches.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuben_sandwich
http://www.peterpaulrubens.org/


>I have nothing to be ashamed of or apologize for. I have
>a large, well furnished, (just for Sheldon) neat house that can
>accommodate 70 people easily, I've entertained extensively in the past
>and I'm over it. Our weather is not conducive to casual outdoor
>entertaining - ever, so a BBQ type meal outside is never an option.
>When I entertain, it's formal and I don't feel like going through all
>that work just to visit with old friends. If they come over for
>appetizers and drinks before dinner or coffee and dessert after, I
>have all the pleasantries of entertaining at home with none of the
>dinner planning, prep and clean up. <shrug> We can well afford to
>dine where we want and so can our friends. As a "for instance", our
>last meal out with friends was less than a month ago at Gary Danko.
>http://www.garydanko.com/ and yes, we used their valet parking.

Then you'd not have said in your first answer that you'd need to get
your house prepared to receive guest. So sf lives in a LARGE pig
pen... to accomodate her 300 pound unbathed cellulite ass! LOL

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:18:49 -0500, George Leppla
> wrote:

>On 4/14/2013 7:09 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Our house is always OK for guest, but at time we'd spend a few minutes
>> to neaten up things like the newspaper on the table, or a coffee mug
>> that did not make it back to the kitchen.
>
>Our house is in no shape for us to have visitors. We've been here a
>year and the list of things we have to fix and remodel is seemingly
>endless. We put a lot of time and money getting the place fit for human
>habitation... now we are slowly working on things that we WANT to do
>instead of things we HAVE to do.
>
>When we want to dine with family or friends, we go out to a restaurant.
>
>(Today we have a crew here hauling away a year's accumulation of trees
>we cut down and piles of brush we have cleared. It took a year to pile
>all this up... and it will take 5 guys all day to haul it away. This is
>a pretty big thing for us and I'll be glad when it is over)
>
>George L

You missed a great opportunity for inviting guests to a brush clearing
party; serve bologna sandwiches and beer.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...

> as a chicken. But as I explained, I'm at that station in life where
> I'm tired of being the only one in the group who prepares/pays for
> dinner, so now it's we all eat out and pay our own way or I stay home
> and eat fried bologna grilled cheese Rubens.

That's where I'm at too, but I prefer fried Spam...hold the bread. :-)

Cheri

On 14/04/2013 1:44 PM, Cheri wrote:

>> Ever notice that the major instigators of recent wars have been the
>> yellow striped chicken hawks?
>
> We saw how the draft went in Vietnam. A lot of those people who didn't
> fight then are making war decisions in their later years that's for sure.
>
It's the political machine. You had a guy who volunteered and who was
cited for bravery and was wounded three times (admittedly minor wounds)
and the political opponents try to trash his military record, while
ignoring the fact that their candidate managed to dodge combat by using
strings to get into a special National Guard unit that would never see
Nam. Then their next guy is touted as a war hero???? They must have
changed the criteria for war heroes to include someone who gets shot
down and then confesses to war crimes. I may have it backward, but I
would think that they guy who got cited for bravery in combat would be
more of a hero than him.

On 4/12/2013 6:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

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> My mother's favourite restaurant was the Keg which had an place about a
> mile from her condo. I had no problems with the food. It was the noise
> level that bothered me. The restaurant had been an old paper mill with
> beautiful stone walls and floors. There was a combination of booths and
> tables. They had soft rock music piped in. People had to raise their
> voices to talk over the music. Then they cranked up the music to be
> heard over the conversations. Then people had to speak louder to be
> heard over the music.....
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>


Background music should stay in the background, that's why it's called
"background". Patrons are not there to hear a symphony or a rock
concert. We used to have an Italian restaurant nearby where most of the
waitstaff had lovely voices and sang arias. It was pretty but really
distracting and even intrusive at times.

gloria p

gloria p

"Cheri" wrote:
>"Brooklyn1" wrote:
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>> But as I explained, I'm at that station in life where
>> I'm tired of being the only one in the group who prepares/pays for
>> dinner, so now it's we all eat out and pay our own way or I stay home
>> and eat fried bologna grilled cheese Rubens.
>
>That's where I'm at too, but I prefer fried Spam...hold the bread. :-)

I like fried Spam, I like fried bologna, and fried salami too... fried
Hebrew National salami is one of my favorites, good with eggs.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:13:01 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:



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>I like fried Spam, I like fried bologna, and fried salami too... fried
>Hebrew National salami is one of my favorites, good with eggs.

I cut up salami, fry it a bit and add scrambled eggs and cheese.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:21:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:13:01 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
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> >I like fried Spam, I like fried bologna, and fried salami too... fried
> >Hebrew National salami is one of my favorites, good with eggs.
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> I cut up salami, fry it a bit and add scrambled eggs and cheese.

Tonight's meal for me was linguiça sausage, "fried" until it was half
way to crispy - then I added half a medium onion and continued cooking
everything until the sausage was crispy and the onion was caramelized
- then I drained it, scrambled eggs and scrambled everything.

I served it with a mixed green salad; brown rice for him and corn
tortillas for me - yes, everything was good.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:21:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:13:01 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
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>>
>>I like fried Spam, I like fried bologna, and fried salami too... fried
>>Hebrew National salami is one of my favorites, good with eggs.
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>I cut up salami, fry it a bit and add scrambled eggs and cheese.

Kosher salami with cheese besides being not kosher tastes awful.
I don't bother cutting up the salami into bits, fry whole 1/4" slices
and pour beaten eggs over.

Shelley intoned:

> Kosher salami with cheese besides being not kosher tastes awful.

Cottage cheese. You hoid it hear first.

On 4/13/2013 6:05 PM, Kalmia wrote:

> If someone's like me, they want the house perfect for company and therefore prefer eating out, as no one's house is always guest-ready. A drop-in guest sends me into orbit.
>
> As to music in a resto, I don't like live music in the room - it's always too loud. I can take canned, soft instrumental work, but please - no steel drum bands.
> I sat near a wonderful pianist and soloist one night, but as great they were, they did NOT belong in a dining room.

Our house is always suitable for company, but I have to run to the
bedroom to put a bra on. :-/ We used to have visitors who spent the
weekend with us, but, right now, we do not have a 2nd bedroom that is
prepared for overnight visitors. My youngest son flew in from PA, and he
stayed here for 9 days, during the wedding festivities, but he is family.

Becca

On 4/14/2013 9:13 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> I like fried Spam, I like fried bologna, and fried salami too... fried
> Hebrew National salami is one of my favorites, good with eggs.


My mother never cooked that for us, but my grandmother did, and we loved
it. We did not see her often enough.

Becca

On Monday, April 15, 2013 5:48:01 PM UTC-4, Ema Nymton wrote:
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> Our house is always suitable for company, but I have to run to the
>
> bedroom to put a bra on.

I could've done without that little tidbit.

On 15/04/2013 5:06 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

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>> Yep, a volunteer army is much different than an unfair draft.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Easy to solve the unfairness with compulsory military service for
> everyone... so are yoose advocating that the US not have a military?



I thought that part of the reason for the 2nd Amendment was to ensure
the existence of militia rather than having a standing army run by the
nasty federal government.

There are pros and cons with conscription and with volunteer armies. As
we saw in Vietnam, a lot of people weren't thrilled about being sent to
fight in a hot sticky jungle half way around the world. With a
volunteer army you get a corps of people who are truly interested in a
career in the military. You also get a lot of people who are in the
military because there was no other work available. Thanks to
employment equity you get people who try to opt out because, despite
having joined the army, they never expected to be sent to war....
wondering what happened to the woman who deserted and came to Canada
and had a couple kids. .... you can't send me over there to fight.. I am
a mother.

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:19:54 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> There are pros and cons with conscription and with volunteer armies.

I heard that my great grandfather emigrated to the USA from Sweden
because he didn't want to be conscripted into the Swedish army...
that, and the fact that the rest of his brothers and sisters were here
already. I guess you could call it a push/pull situation.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Monday, April 15, 2013 8:38:35 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:19:54 -0400, Dave Smith
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> > wrote:
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> > There are pros and cons with conscription and with volunteer armies.
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> I heard that my great grandfather emigrated to the USA from Sweden
>
> because he didn't want to be conscripted into the Swedish army...
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> that, and the fact that the rest of his brothers and sisters were here
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> already. I guess you could call it a push/pull situation.
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> --
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> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Or cowardice.

Ema Nymton wrote:
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>Our house is always suitable for company, but I have to run to the
>bedroom to put a bra on. :-/

Braless wouldn't bother me.

Kalmia wrote:
>Ema Nymton wrote:
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>> Our house is always suitable for company, but I have to run to the
>> bedroom to put a bra on.
>
>I could've done without that little tidbit.

Little tidbits... you'd be wrong!