We live in the north eastern part os PA, most hot dog sauces such as
Abe's Hot dogs in Wilkes Barre, there are a few Hot dog resturants in
the area and hot dogs are their specialty, the sauce is something I am
been trying to make over tha last few years, so far no luck, one thing
about all the hot dog recipes here on the web have tomato sauce,finly
chopped onions, tomato paste and chili powder ect. the sauces here in
this area don't have a trace of any of the above seasonings, they are
mainly a ground beef base ground real fine and cannot figure out the
seasonings, any ideas on any recipe's i may try next.


thanks
Chet

On 2013-04-16, chet > wrote:

> seasonings, any ideas on any recipe's i may try next.

I can't help with your local recipes, but I once made a great hot link
BBQ sauce with Catalina dressing as the base. Prolly some ketchup and
whatsdishere sauce in it, too. I don't recall, but it was damn tasty
on a hot link grilled damn near to ash!

nb

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:53:51 -0400, chet > wrote:

>We live in the north eastern part os PA, most hot dog sauces such as
>Abe's Hot dogs in Wilkes Barre, there are a few Hot dog resturants in
>the area and hot dogs are their specialty, the sauce is something I am
>been trying to make over tha last few years, so far no luck, one thing
>about all the hot dog recipes here on the web have tomato sauce,finly
>chopped onions, tomato paste and chili powder ect. the sauces here in
>this area don't have a trace of any of the above seasonings, they are
>mainly a ground beef base ground real fine and cannot figure out the
>seasonings, any ideas on any recipe's i may try next.
>
>
> thanks
> Chet
to get that fine texture, the ground beef is stirred raw into cold
water and cooked that way. I've seen it on a couple of shows about
hot dogs but haven't paid much attention to the seasonings.
Janet US

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:35:30 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> to get that fine texture, the ground beef is stirred raw into cold
> water and cooked that way. I've seen it on a couple of shows about
> hot dogs but haven't paid much attention to the seasonings.

That's interesting all by itself. I've always wondered. They
probably add tomato past to the water to produce a sauce then. I
don't like chili dogs, but hubby does. I'll try the water method this
summer when BBQ season is in full swing and hot dogs go on the grill.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:19:27 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:35:30 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> to get that fine texture, the ground beef is stirred raw into cold
>> water and cooked that way. I've seen it on a couple of shows about
>> hot dogs but haven't paid much attention to the seasonings.
>
>That's interesting all by itself. I've always wondered. They
>probably add tomato past to the water to produce a sauce then. I
>don't like chili dogs, but hubby does. I'll try the water method this
>summer when BBQ season is in full swing and hot dogs go on the grill.

Try searching Diners, Drive-ins and Dives. I've seen a couple of
eateries noted for their dogs do it that way. You'll get the same
effect by starting out with cold canned tomatoes and ground beef.
Janet US

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:33:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>
> Try searching Diners, Drive-ins and Dives. I've seen a couple of
> eateries noted for their dogs do it that way. You'll get the same
> effect by starting out with cold canned tomatoes and ground beef.
> Janet US

I'd be looking for a recipe, not a video (which is probably why I
don't watch DDD and that genre). Thanks. The cold tomatoes and
ground beef idea works for me too. If you ever run across a real
recipe, please post the url. TIA!

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Apr 16, 8:53*am, chet > wrote:
> We live in the north eastern part os PA, most hot dog sauces such as
> Abe's Hot dogs in Wilkes Barre, there are a few Hot dog resturants in
> the area and hot dogs are their specialty, the sauce *is something I am
> been trying to make over tha last few years, so far no luck, one thing
> about all the hot dog recipes here on the web have tomato sauce,finly
> chopped onions, *tomato paste and chili powder ect. the sauces here in
> this area don't have a trace of any of the above seasonings, they are
> mainly a ground beef base ground real fine and cannot figure out the
> seasonings, any ideas on any recipe's i may try next.
>
> * * * *thanks
> * * * * *Chet

It sounds more like a chili poured on a hot dog, which is popular in
some hot dog venues. Have you tried that?

N.

sf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:33:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > Try searching Diners, Drive-ins and Dives. I've seen a couple of
> > eateries noted for their dogs do it that way. You'll get the same
> > effect by starting out with cold canned tomatoes and ground beef.
> > Janet US
>
> I'd be looking for a recipe, not a video (which is probably why I
> don't watch DDD and that genre). Thanks. The cold tomatoes and
> ground beef idea works for me too. If you ever run across a real
> recipe, please post the url. TIA!

I've inferred recipes from DDD videos with good results, it's not
difficult.

Do a search (I cannot) for Coney Island hot dog sauce.
The recipe uses ground up hot dogs along with the raw burger, sauce
and onions. It's a pretty good recipe, I just don't remember the
details.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:25:23 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:33:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Try searching Diners, Drive-ins and Dives. I've seen a couple of
>> eateries noted for their dogs do it that way. You'll get the same
>> effect by starting out with cold canned tomatoes and ground beef.
>> Janet US
>
>I'd be looking for a recipe, not a video (which is probably why I
>don't watch DDD and that genre). Thanks. The cold tomatoes and
>ground beef idea works for me too. If you ever run across a real
>recipe, please post the url. TIA!

Fieri indicates that recipes can be found at Food Network. I've never
checked.
Janet US

On Apr 16, 11:10*am, Janet Bostwick > wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:25:23 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:33:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
> >> Try searching Diners, Drive-ins and Dives. *I've seen a couple of
> >> eateries noted for their dogs do it that way. *You'll get the same
> >> effect by starting out with cold canned tomatoes and ground beef.
> >> Janet US
>
> >I'd be looking for a recipe, not a video (which is probably why I
> >don't watch DDD and that genre). *Thanks. *The cold tomatoes and
> >ground beef idea works for me too. *If you ever run across a real
> >recipe, please post the url. *TIA!
>
> Fieri indicates that recipes can be found at Food Network. *I've never
> checked.
> Janet US

Check this one. http://www.foodnetwork.com/videos/on...dog/98744.html

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:53:51 -0400, chet > wrote:

>We live in the north eastern part os PA, most hot dog sauces such as
>Abe's Hot dogs in Wilkes Barre, there are a few Hot dog resturants in
>the area and hot dogs are their specialty, the sauce is something I am
>been trying to make over tha last few years, so far no luck, one thing
>about all the hot dog recipes here on the web have tomato sauce,finly
>chopped onions, tomato paste and chili powder ect. the sauces here in
>this area don't have a trace of any of the above seasonings, they are
>mainly a ground beef base ground real fine and cannot figure out the
>seasonings, any ideas on any recipe's i may try next.

In Northern NY, Coney Island, NY and in Michigan they use a meat based
sauce. I don't know if NE PA is the same sauce- but this one works
for me;
From
http://www.foodbanter.com/general-co...attsburgh.html

Quick Michigan Sauce
1 medium onion chopped
1 diced green pepper
2 tbls butter]
1lb hamburger
1 ½ cups homemade chili sauce [not Heinz!]
1 tsp cumin
1 tbl chili powder
1 tbl salt
2 tbls Franks Red Hot sauce

Saute onion and peppers in butter until soft-
Add hamburger and cook until brown
Add rest of ingredients and simmer for an hour or two
xxxxx

Here's the chili sauce recipe I use-- My son and brother-in-law are
Ronnie's fans. The won't come right out and say my dogs are *as*
good--- but they are good.

Chili Sauce
Makes about 6 qts
1 peck tomatoes [10 quarts- or about 17 pounds]
2 1/2 c chopped onions
4 c chopped celery [about a whole bunch]
2 1/2 c chopped green pepper [2 large from store]

6 inches stick cinnamon
1 1/2 tsp ground cloves
4 1/2 c brown sugar
1 T dry mustard
1 qt cider vinegar
1/4 c salt.


Peel and cut tomatoes in chunks into a large kettle. Cook 15 minutes;
drain off half of the juice. [1-2 qts when dripped through collander]

Add celery, onion and green pepper. Simmer 1 1/2 hours.

Add remaining ingredients and continue cooking 1 1/2 hours. Remove
cinnamon. Fill pint jars; process in boiling water bath for 5 minutes.
Good on hot dogs and hamburgers

Use juice to make tomato juice;

For each qt juice
1 medium green peppers
1 onions
1 stalks celery
1tsp pickling salt
1 tsp sugar
1 dash Worcestershire Sauce- Lee & Perrins
Directions:

Chop vegetables & juice in blender.
Bring to boil, then simmer 1/2 hr
Add sugar and salt, and bring to the boiling point.
Pour into sterilized jars and seal.
xxxxxxx

Jim

"chet" > wrote in message
...
> We live in the north eastern part os PA, most hot dog sauces such as Abe's
> Hot dogs in Wilkes Barre, there are a few Hot dog resturants in the area
> and hot dogs are their specialty, the sauce is something I am been trying
> to make over tha last few years, so far no luck, one thing about all the
> hot dog recipes here on the web have tomato sauce,finly chopped onions,
> tomato paste and chili powder ect. the sauces here in this area don't have
> a trace of any of the above seasonings, they are mainly a ground beef base
> ground real fine and cannot figure out the seasonings, any ideas on any
> recipe's i may try next.
>
>
> thanks
> Chet

I have had a hot dog in PA and I think what it had on it was a beanless
chili.

Dog and Suds is a Iowa standard for drive in dogs with sauce. I got this off a copy cat site. They are great with piles of onions and ahot pepper.Dog 'N Suds Coney Sauce

INGREDIENTS:
1 pound ground beef
2 tablespoons prepared mustard
2 tablespoons granulated sugar
1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce
1/4 teaspoon Tabasco sauce
1 small onion, chopped
2 tablespoons vinegar
1 tablespoon water
1/4 teaspoon celery seed
ketchup, as needed

DIRECTIONS:
In a salted skillet, brown ground beef with onion over medium heat, breaking up meat with a fork to crumble it fine. Drain off fat. Add remaining ingredients, except ketchup. Mix well, then add enough ketchup to keep mixture loose. Simmer, partially covered, 1 hour, adding ketchup as needed

On Apr 16, 2:50*pm, pamjd > wrote:
> Dog and Suds is a Iowa standard for drive in dogs with sauce. *I got this off a copy cat site. *They are great with piles of onions and ahot pepper.Dog 'N Suds Coney Sauce
>
> *INGREDIENTS:
> 1 pound ground beef
> 2 tablespoons prepared mustard
> 2 tablespoons granulated sugar
> 1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce
> 1/4 teaspoon Tabasco sauce
> 1 small onion, chopped
> 2 tablespoons vinegar
> 1 tablespoon water
> 1/4 teaspoon celery seed
> ketchup, as needed
>
> DIRECTIONS:
> In a salted skillet, brown ground beef with onion over medium heat, breaking up meat with a fork to crumble it fine. Drain off fat. Add remaining ingredients, except ketchup. Mix well, then add enough ketchup to keep mixture loose. Simmer, partially covered, 1 hour, adding ketchup as needed

Does it freeze well?

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:53:43 PM UTC-5, Chemo wrote:
> On Apr 16, 2:50*pm, pamjd > wrote: > Dog and Suds is a Iowa standard for drive in dogs with sauce. *I got this off a copy cat site. *They are great with piles of onions and ahot pepper.Dog 'N Suds Coney Sauce > > *INGREDIENTS: > 1 pound ground beef > 2 tablespoons prepared mustard > 2 tablespoons granulated sugar > 1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce > 1/4 teaspoon Tabasco sauce > 1 small onion, chopped > 2 tablespoons vinegar > 1 tablespoon water > 1/4 teaspoon celery seed > ketchup, as needed > > DIRECTIONS: > In a salted skillet, brown ground beef with onion over medium heat, breaking up meat with a fork to crumble it fine. Drain off fat. Add remaining ingredients, except ketchup. Mix well, then add enough ketchup to keep mixture loose. Simmer, partially covered, 1 hour, adding ketchup as needed Does it freeze well?

yes

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:35:38 PM UTC-5, pamjd wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:53:43 PM UTC-5, Chemo wrote: > On Apr 16, 2:50*pm, pamjd > wrote: > Dog and Suds is a Iowa standard for drive in dogs with sauce. *I got this off a copy cat site. *They are great with piles of onions and ahot pepper.Dog 'N Suds Coney Sauce > > *INGREDIENTS: > 1 pound ground beef > 2 tablespoons prepared mustard > 2 tablespoons granulated sugar > 1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce > 1/4 teaspoon Tabasco sauce > 1 small onion, chopped > 2 tablespoons vinegar > 1 tablespoon water > 1/4 teaspoon celery seed > ketchup, as needed > > DIRECTIONS: > In a salted skillet, brown ground beef with onion over medium heat, breaking up meat with a fork to crumble it fine. Drain off fat. Add remaining ingredients, except ketchup. Mix well, then add enough ketchup to keep mixture loose. Simmer, partially covered, 1 hour, adding ketchup as needed Does it freeze well? yes

chet > wrote:
> We live in the north eastern part os PA, most hot dog sauces such as
> Abe's Hot dogs in Wilkes Barre, there are a few Hot dog resturants in the
> area and hot dogs are their specialty, the sauce is something I am been
> trying to make over tha last few years, so far no luck, one thing about
> all the hot dog recipes here on the web have tomato sauce,finly chopped
> onions, tomato paste and chili powder ect. the sauces here in this area
> don't have a trace of any of the above seasonings, they are mainly a
> ground beef base ground real fine and cannot figure out the seasonings,
> any ideas on any recipe's i may try next.
>
>
> thanks
> Chet

You will find recipes on the web. Here, Jim's famous sauce has no chili or
ground meat. It has ham flavoring, mustard seed, garlic, salt, pepper,
turmeric, and other stuff for marketing and thickener. Then that mystery
ingredient ?? No sweetness. A little citric acid.

Greg

gregz > wrote:
> chet > wrote:
>> We live in the north eastern part os PA, most hot dog sauces such as
>> Abe's Hot dogs in Wilkes Barre, there are a few Hot dog resturants in the
>> area and hot dogs are their specialty, the sauce is something I am been
>> trying to make over tha last few years, so far no luck, one thing about
>> all the hot dog recipes here on the web have tomato sauce,finly chopped
>> onions, tomato paste and chili powder ect. the sauces here in this area
>> don't have a trace of any of the above seasonings, they are mainly a
>> ground beef base ground real fine and cannot figure out the seasonings,
>> any ideas on any recipe's i may try next.
>>
>>
>> thanks
>> Chet
>
> You will find recipes on the web. Here, Jim's famous sauce has no chili or
> ground meat. It has ham flavoring, mustard seed, garlic, salt, pepper,
> turmeric, and other stuff for marketing and thickener. Then that mystery
> ingredient ?? No sweetness. A little citric acid.
>
> Greg

Since 1927 in same little shack.

http://jimsfamoussauce.com/

Greg

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:28:43 -0700 (PDT), Thomas >
wrote:

> Do a search (I cannot) for Coney Island hot dog sauce.
> The recipe uses ground up hot dogs along with the raw burger, sauce
> and onions. It's a pretty good recipe, I just don't remember the
> details.

Aha! Thanks, I wondered what that stuff was.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 4/16/2013 11:19 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:35:30 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> to get that fine texture, the ground beef is stirred raw into cold
>> water and cooked that way. I've seen it on a couple of shows about
>> hot dogs but haven't paid much attention to the seasonings.
>
> That's interesting all by itself. I've always wondered. They
> probably add tomato past to the water to produce a sauce then. I
> don't like chili dogs, but hubby does. I'll try the water method this
> summer when BBQ season is in full swing and hot dogs go on the grill.
>
Sort of related, a hot dog stand opened nearby last summer. It's called
the 'Dog House':

http://www.islandpacket.com/2012/10/...nd-owners.html

The owners live where I do (Dataw) and used to run a restaurant on Long
Island. John and I drove past it yesterday but only because we weren't
in the mood for a 'dog'.

Jill

In article >, chet >
wrote:

> We live in the north eastern part os PA, most hot dog sauces such as
> Abe's Hot dogs in Wilkes Barre, there are a few Hot dog resturants in
> the area and hot dogs are their specialty, the sauce is something I am
> been trying to make over tha last few years, so far no luck, one thing
> about all the hot dog recipes here on the web have tomato sauce,finly
> chopped onions, tomato paste and chili powder ect. the sauces here in
> this area don't have a trace of any of the above seasonings, they are
> mainly a ground beef base ground real fine and cannot figure out the
> seasonings, any ideas on any recipe's i may try next.
>
>
> thanks
> Chet

Sounds like Cincinnati chili.
--
Barb,
http://www.barbschaller.com, as of February 10, 2013.

There is an Abe's Meatsauce recipe online pretty darn close to the sauce used in Wilkes Barre - http://www.grouprecipes.com/16949/ab...ili-sauce.html

I grew up in Pittsburgh, and about an hour north of Pittsburgh was the town of Butler. In Butler there was a famous Hot Dog Shoppe called, The Hot Dog Shoppe. They had a very distinctive meat sauce they served on the hot dogs, this is the recipe from Food.com:

3 lbs ground beef
1 1�„2 cups diced onions
1�„8 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon chili powder
1 1�„2 tablespoons paprika
1�„2 tablespoon ground cloves
1 tablespoon nutmeg
1 tablespoon black pepper
1 tablespoon sugar
14 ounces ketchup
6 cups water
1 additional cup water and 1 cup flour, (mixed well, so not lumpy, like a slurry, as if you are making gravy)

Brown and chop the ground meat in a 4 quart.
pan.
Drain off excess grease.
Add each of the spices, one at a time, and stir after each one.
After all the spices are in the mixture, it should be a pastey consistency.
Add the ketchup; stir in the water.
Bring to a boil, stirring constantly.
Keep the heat low and simmer for 2 hours.
Add the flour and water mixture.
This mixture will blend easily if you mix in your blender before adding to the rest of the sauce.
The excess sauce may be frozen.
This sauce is supposed to be from the famous hot dog shop in my area.

My comments:

This is pretty much the recipe I got about 30 years ago. It makes a LOT of sauce; you might want to consider cutting the recipe in half.

I live in the south now, as I can describe the taste of the sauce it is a little reminiscent of Brunswick Stew because of the cloves.

The Butler Hot Dog Shoppe closed a few years back.

> In Northern NY, Coney Island, NY and in Michigan they use a meat based
> sauce. I don't know if NE PA is the same sauce- but this one works
> for me;
> From
> http://www.foodbanter.com/general-co...attsburgh.html
>
> Quick Michigan Sauce
> 1 medium onion chopped
> 1 diced green pepper
> 2 tbls butter]
> 1lb hamburger
> 1 ½ cups homemade chili sauce [not Heinz!]
> 1 tsp cumin
> 1 tbl chili powder
> 1 tbl salt
> 2 tbls Franks Red Hot sauce
>
> Saute onion and peppers in butter until soft-
> Add hamburger and cook until brown
> Add rest of ingredients and simmer for an hour or two
> xxxxx

I lived in Detroit for a couple years in the mid 90's, and the National Coney Islands there served the hot dogs topped with loose browned ground meat and then had the chili piled on top of that. Very tasty.

Michael OConnor wrote:
>
> I lived in Detroit for a couple years in the mid 90's, and the National Coney Islands there served the hot dogs topped with loose browned ground meat and then had the chili piled on top of that. Very tasty.


IMO, lots of tasty toppings on a hot dog is good for a cheap meat or
chicken dogs. They add flavor to an otherwise bland dog.

Whenever I buy the all-beef dogs, I use no toppings. Just the dog on a
thin slice of white bread so I can enjoy the flavor. They don't need any
help.

Last week, I discovered Johnsonville cheddar sausage dogs. Oh Man!
Definitely no condiments on those kids. Just a slice of soft white bread
(a bun might be too much bread).

On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 05:36:20 -0800 (PST), Michael OConnor
> wrote:

>
>> In Northern NY, Coney Island, NY and in Michigan they use a meat based
>> sauce.

On Coney Island, NY I've never seen other than mustard, mustard and
kraut, or mustard and pickle relish as dawg topping... some phreaks
(tourists) steal ketchup from the burger counter. gack
Meat based toppings on dawgs would be a felony on Coney.
In NYC Sabrett carts offer tomatoey onions as a topping but no meat
based sauce. The best place for dawgs in NY used to be The Red apple
Rest Rte. 17... alas, it became a faggot meeting spot so it was closed
due to unsavory meat topping in the terlits.