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On 4/17/2013 11:11 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:02:02 +1000, John J > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 04:33:10 -0500, Alan Holbrook >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Metspitzer > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> I was taught not too put my elbows on the table in a restaurant.
>>> Since
>>>> it is a very comfortable position, I ignore my manners. When
>>> that
>>>> happens, I always look around and find, at least, half of the
>>> room
>>>> doing the same.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you google "origin of manners and etiquette", you get close to
>>> 800,000 hits. The concensus of the few I read seems to be that
>>> manners were developed for many different reasons, some of them to
>>> create a discipline in social situations and some of them just
>>> plain arbitrarily to make a distinction between the upper classes
>>> and the peasants. And as society changes, so do manners.
>>>
>>> There's a lot of similarity between etiquette and grammer in this
>>> context.

>>
>> And spelling?

>
> Completely up to whomever wrote the dictionary you use to arbitrate
> the situation.
>

Especially for "grammer"!

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On 4/17/2013 10:06 AM, sf wrote:

> The last time I checked, the USA wasn't considered an Asian country.
> You can/should slurp your soup in China (to show appreciation) too,
> but it's not considered polite here. In some countries, it's also
> considered polite to produce a belch at the end of a meal... but that
> isn't acceptable behavior here either.
>


The first time Becca took me to a Vietnamese restaurant and ordered me a
huge bowl of Pho, I kind of scratched my head. I had never used
chopsticks (and WTF... how do you eat SOUP with chopsticks, anyway) and
that little soup spoon/ladle was cute, but man, that is a big bowl of stuff.

But I was game so I took my time and learned to enjoy myself. A little
humor goes a long way in a situation like this. I don't know who had
more fun... me, or Becca and the waitress who was watching me.

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On 4/17/2013 10:11 AM, sf wrote:
> These are the things I learned:
>
> Share everything.
> Play fair.
> Don't hit people.
> Put things back where you found them.
> Clean up your own mess.
> Don't take things that aren't yours.
> Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
> Wash your hands before you eat.
> Flush.
> Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
> Live a balanced life -
> Learn some and think some
> And draw and paint and sing and dance
> And play and work everyday some.
> Take a nap every afternoon.
> When you go out into the world,
> Watch out for traffic,
> Hold hands and stick together.
> Be aware of wonder.


If you break it, fix or replace it.
If you borrow something, return it in better shape than when you got it.
Don't eat off other people's plates.
Don't blow your nose in your napkin.
Shake a man's hand firmly.
Hug old people gently.
Take turns.
Unless you are licking a stamp, don't stick your tongue out.
Don't pick cats up by their tails.


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On Apr 16, 8:17*am, Metspitzer > wrote:
> I was taught not too put my elbows on the table in a restaurant. Since
> it is a very comfortable position, I ignore my manners. *When that
> happens, I always look around and find, at least, half of the room
> doing the same.


Where's Brokelyn? This reminds me of tuchus affen tish, i.e. let's get
down to business.
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On 17/04/2013 10:57 AM, jmcquown wrote:
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>>

> Just watch some of the old movies where the men *always* wore some sort
> of hat (fedoras were common). The first thing they do when they step
> inside is remove their hats.
>
>

That was in the days when only baseball players and children wore
baseball caps, and if you wanted to look stupid you would put it on
sideways or backwards.



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> On 17/04/2013 10:57 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>

>> Just watch some of the old movies where the men *always* wore some sort
>> of hat (fedoras were common). The first thing they do when they step
>> inside is remove their hats.
>>
>>

> That was in the days when only baseball players and children wore baseball
> caps, and



"if you wanted to look stupid you would put it on sideways or backwards."

that part is still true.


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Dave Smith wrote:

> That was in the days when only baseball players and children wore
> baseball caps, and if you wanted to look stupid you would put it on
> sideways or backwards.


When I was a kid, the assumption was they didn't know any better. It all
changed when NBA culture went viral.


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On 4/17/2013 5:11 AM, sf wrote:
> "All I Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten"
> by Robert Fulghum
>
> Most of what I really need
> To know about how to live
> And what to do and how to be
> I learned in kindergarten.
> Wisdom was not at the top
> Of the graduate school mountain,
> But there in the sandpile at Sunday school.
>
> These are the things I learned:
>
> Share everything.
> Play fair.
> Don't hit people.
> Put things back where you found them.
> Clean up your own mess.
> Don't take things that aren't yours.
> Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
> Wash your hands before you eat.
> Flush.
> Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
> Live a balanced life -
> Learn some and think some
> And draw and paint and sing and dance
> And play and work everyday some.
> Take a nap every afternoon.
> When you go out into the world,
> Watch out for traffic,
> Hold hands and stick together.
> Be aware of wonder.
>


My guess is that your core values are set at a fairly early age - 6 or
thereabouts.
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On 4/17/2013 4:57 AM, jmcquown wrote:
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> Just watch some of the old movies where the men *always* wore some sort
> of hat (fedoras were common). The first thing they do when they step
> inside is remove their hats.
>
> Jill


That's what I thought. It was puzzling to see my brother-in-laws from CA
go into a local restaurant here and leave their caps on. OTOH, what the
heck do I know about hats - nobody wears them much except fishermen and
they duff them off when not fishing.
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On 4/17/2013 5:05 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 4/17/2013 4:57 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>

>> Just watch some of the old movies where the men *always* wore some sort
>> of hat (fedoras were common). The first thing they do when they step
>> inside is remove their hats.
>>
>> Jill

>
> That's what I thought. It was puzzling to see my brother-in-laws from CA
> go into a local restaurant here and leave their caps on. OTOH, what the
> heck do I know about hats - nobody wears them much except fishermen and
> they duff them off when not fishing.


I never wore a hat at all between the 1950's and 2000 but, to avoid skin
cancer, during the day I have worn a brimmed hat since about 2000.
Generally, I don't take it off except in restaurants when I place it on
the table to avoid forgetting it. I have lost about three in that time
:-( I have to admit that I sometimes have gone to visit someone and
rather embarrassingly realized I had the hat on after half an hour or so.
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Alan Holbrook > wrote:

> In Asian countries, it's perfectly acceptable to pick up the bowl of
> soup, hold it just under your mouth with one hand and spoon the soup
> in with spoon held in the other hand.


You mean East Asian countries and even then you wouldn't always be
right. Try doing that in Korea, where it would be considered a major
faux pas. Besides, in the countries you presumably have in mind, the
solids are generally eaten with chopsticks (and, in case they are
noodles, often enough picked up with chopsticks and placed onto a spoon)
and the liquid is sometimes drunk directly from the bowl.

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On 17/04/2013 4:10 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> That was in the days when only baseball players and children wore
>> baseball caps, and if you wanted to look stupid you would put it on
>> sideways or backwards.

>
> When I was a kid, the assumption was they didn't know any better. It all
> changed when NBA culture went viral.
>
>



That may be, but when I see someone with a cap on sideways, I assume
they are stupid. Besides.... they must be if they think it looks good.


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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
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> On 17/04/2013 4:10 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> That was in the days when only baseball players and children wore
>>> baseball caps, and if you wanted to look stupid you would put it on
>>> sideways or backwards.

>>
>> When I was a kid, the assumption was they didn't know any better. It all
>> changed when NBA culture went viral.
>>
>>

>
>
> That may be, but when I see someone with a cap on sideways, I assume they
> are stupid. Besides.... they must be if they think it looks good.


Sideways and backward definitely look stupid to me, especially on anyone out
of their teens.

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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:27:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
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>
> That may be, but when I see someone with a cap on sideways, I assume
> they are stupid. Besides.... they must be if they think it looks good.
>

What I can't stand is adult men who should know better wearing
sunglasses on the back of their head.

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Dave Smith wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Just watch some of the old movies where the men *always* wore some sort
>> of hat (fedoras were common). The first thing they do when they step
>> inside is remove their hats.
>>

>That was in the days when only baseball players and children wore
>baseball caps, and if you wanted to look stupid you would put it on
>sideways or backwards.


I despise baseball caps on adults, or rather I despise adults who wear
baseball caps.. may as well wear a big flashing neon sign that says
PINHEAD! The only times I wear a hat it's an extra wide brimmed hat
when working outdoors in the sun, and for outdoor winter wear I have a
huge collection of hand knit stocking caps that everyone envys. My
hats sare all utilitarian... I don't need to wear a hat otherwise, I
have a full head of thick wavy hair, I don't need to wear a hat to
hide baldness.
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On 4/17/2013 7:08 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:27:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> That may be, but when I see someone with a cap on sideways, I assume
>> they are stupid. Besides.... they must be if they think it looks good.
>>

> What I can't stand is adult men who should know better wearing
> sunglasses on the back of their head.
>

Like Guy Fieri?

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> On 4/17/2013 5:05 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 4/17/2013 4:57 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>> Just watch some of the old movies where the men *always* wore some sort
>>> of hat (fedoras were common). The first thing they do when they step
>>> inside is remove their hats.
>>>
>>> Jill

>>
>> That's what I thought. It was puzzling to see my brother-in-laws from CA
>> go into a local restaurant here and leave their caps on. OTOH, what the
>> heck do I know about hats - nobody wears them much except fishermen and
>> they duff them off when not fishing.

>
> I never wore a hat at all between the 1950's and 2000 but, to avoid skin
> cancer, during the day I have worn a brimmed hat since about 2000.
> Generally, I don't take it off except in restaurants when I place it on
> the table to avoid forgetting it. I have lost about three in that time
> :-( I have to admit that I sometimes have gone to visit someone and rather
> embarrassingly realized I had the hat on after half an hour or so.


I have two Tilley hats, a white one I wear in the summer for pretty much the
same reason as you (I am very fair skinned) and an olive one for the winter.
Not that we get as much sunshine as you probably do, but I like the shade
I wear tinted eye glasses for pretty much the same reason.

Not that ladies have to remove their hats in restaurants, but I always do
Occasionally when I am walking the dog, I see an old gentleman who wears a
cap and he always raises it and says 'good morning'. Old fashioned now but
very nice
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jmcquown wrote:
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> On 4/17/2013 7:08 PM, sf wrote:


> > What I can't stand is adult men who should know better wearing
> > sunglasses on the back of their head.
> >

> Like Guy Fieri?


A most annoying looking fellow, imo.

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On 4/17/2013 9:04 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> I don't need to wear a hat otherwise, I
> have a full head of thick wavy hair, I don't need to wear a hat to
> hide baldness.



FWIW... I think some bald guys wear hats to keep their head from getting
sunburned. I remember getting a very short crew-cut on a Saturday
morning when I was a kid and by that night, my head was so red that you
could read a book by the glow.

I only have a couple of hats..... a wide brim Tilley that I wear when I
am on vacation in the tropics and a Dodgers baseball cap that I wear
when I am mowing the lawn to keep the dust out of my hair.

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On 18/04/2013 3:11 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/17/2013 7:08 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:27:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> That may be, but when I see someone with a cap on sideways, I assume
>>> they are stupid. Besides.... they must be if they think it looks good.
>>>

>> What I can't stand is adult men who should know better wearing
>> sunglasses on the back of their head.
>>

> Like Guy Fieri?
>


Between that and his stupid bling.... yeah. And that gets us back to
bad table manners. I think that we should expect cooking show hosts to
demonstrate some proper table manners that go beyond trying to show half
an oversized dripping sandwich into their mouth.

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On 18/04/2013 8:00 AM, George Leppla wrote:
> On 4/17/2013 9:04 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> I don't need to wear a hat otherwise, I
>> have a full head of thick wavy hair, I don't need to wear a hat to
>> hide baldness.

>
>
> FWIW... I think some bald guys wear hats to keep their head from getting
> sunburned. I remember getting a very short crew-cut on a Saturday
> morning when I was a kid and by that night, my head was so red that you
> could read a book by the glow.


I was never one for wearing hats, but when it got to the point where I
had more hair growing out my ears and nose and on my back than I on my
head I started to wear hats to protect my head.

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On 2013-04-18, Dave Smith > wrote:

> head I started to wear hats to protect my head.


Bingo.

I usta hate hats, but as a baldy, gotta wear 'em. Not only protection
from the sun, but mucho heat is lost thru the head at night. In
Winter, I wear a night cap to bed. Not the old pointy drooping
stocking cap of Masterpiece Theater and Dickens tales, but a light but
warm Polartec 100 watch cap:

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/produ...oductId=722806

I have several, in different weights, but am really looking for a good
Rusky ushanka. Perhaps next Winter, although it jes snowed 4 more
inches, last night.

Sure, Tilley makes good Summer hats, but to damned pricey for a cotton
rag. I gotta Tilley clone bush hat last Summer from WW for $10.
Mostly, I wear bucket hats in warm weather. The last 3-4 were a
measly $6.

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On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:36:04 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Apr 16, 2:50*pm, Kalmia > wrote:
>
> >

>
> >

>
> > *And let's NOT get into shoveling with a bread-aided fork.

>
> >

>
> >

>
> I *think* I know what you mean, but would you clarify this statement
>
> please?


A. Ya cuts up ALL yer grub, called streamlining.
B. You hold a fork in your handedness hand.
C. You break off half of a hard roll or breadstick.
D. You use the rest of the roll to push food onto yer fork.
E. While shoveling into the mouth via the fork, the roll is poised for its next shove.
F. Your ultimate goal is to increase your speed and a good steady rhythm. This is what 'fast food' is all about.
When you get REALLY good, you can talk in between chews.
(It helps too if you were brought up in Bayonne--no further explanation required.)

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 03:11:48 -0400, jmcquown >
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> On 4/17/2013 7:08 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:27:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> That may be, but when I see someone with a cap on sideways, I assume
> >> they are stupid. Besides.... they must be if they think it looks good.
> >>

> > What I can't stand is adult men who should know better wearing
> > sunglasses on the back of their head.
> >

> Like Guy Fieri?
>

There are people in real life who think that look is way cool. Ugh.
It's light years worse than baseball caps worn wrong.


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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:13:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 18/04/2013 3:11 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 4/17/2013 7:08 PM, sf wrote:
> >> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:27:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That may be, but when I see someone with a cap on sideways, I assume
> >>> they are stupid. Besides.... they must be if they think it looks good.
> >>>
> >> What I can't stand is adult men who should know better wearing
> >> sunglasses on the back of their head.
> >>

> > Like Guy Fieri?
> >

>
> Between that and his stupid bling.... yeah. And that gets us back to
> bad table manners. I think that we should expect cooking show hosts to
> demonstrate some proper table manners that go beyond trying to show half
> an oversized dripping sandwich into their mouth.


I don't like or watch shows of that genre because they're beyond
stupid. Man Against Food... like I care how much you can shove down
your gullet at one meal. Grow up!

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On 4/17/2013 9:04 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> I despise baseball caps on adults, or rather I despise adults who wear
> baseball caps.. may as well wear a big flashing neon sign that says
> PINHEAD! The only times I wear a hat it's an extra wide brimmed hat
> when working outdoors in the sun, and for outdoor winter wear I have a
> huge collection of hand knit stocking caps that everyone envys. My
> hats sare all utilitarian... I don't need to wear a hat otherwise, I
> have a full head of thick wavy hair, I don't need to wear a hat to
> hide baldness.



Every time we have a hurricane, you will see female TV reporters, on
camera, wearing baseball caps. I just can't stand it.

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On 18/04/2013 11:22 AM, sf wrote:

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> There are people in real life who think that look is way cool. Ugh.
> It's light years worse than baseball caps worn wrong.
>
>



Sunglasses pushed up temporarily while looking at something, like coming
inside after being out in bright sunlight, is perfectly acceptable.
Wearing sunglasses on top of one's head as a fashion statement is IMO
silly, Wearing them backwards???? That is just outright stupid.
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On 18/04/2013 11:25 AM, sf wrote:

>> Between that and his stupid bling.... yeah. And that gets us back to
>> bad table manners. I think that we should expect cooking show hosts to
>> demonstrate some proper table manners that go beyond trying to show half
>> an oversized dripping sandwich into their mouth.

>
> I don't like or watch shows of that genre because they're beyond
> stupid. Man Against Food... like I care how much you can shove down
> your gullet at one meal. Grow up!
>



It is appropriately names. It is a show about low class joints. There
are occasionally some good ideas to be picked up from the show, but it's
mainly dinner food and at least half the dishes done on that show are
the types of things I would never eat. Most of the sandwiches aren't
even served on decent looking rolls or breads, despite being billed as
house baked.
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On 18/04/2013 11:38 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 4/17/2013 9:04 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> I despise baseball caps on adults, or rather I despise adults who wear
>> baseball caps.. may as well wear a big flashing neon sign that says
>> PINHEAD! The only times I wear a hat it's an extra wide brimmed hat
>> when working outdoors in the sun, and for outdoor winter wear I have a
>> huge collection of hand knit stocking caps that everyone envys. My
>> hats sare all utilitarian... I don't need to wear a hat otherwise, I
>> have a full head of thick wavy hair, I don't need to wear a hat to
>> hide baldness.

>
>
> Every time we have a hurricane, you will see female TV reporters, on
> camera, wearing baseball caps. I just can't stand it.
>



I started wearing billed caps in bad weather after I had to start
wearing eyeglasses. You don't have to walk far in the rain before you
are blinded by rain drops on glasses.



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On 4/18/2013 11:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> Every time we have a hurricane, you will see female TV reporters, on
>> camera, wearing baseball caps. I just can't stand it.
>>

>
>
> I started wearing billed caps in bad weather after I had to start
> wearing eyeglasses. You don't have to walk far in the rain before you
> are blinded by rain drops on glasses.


If the women wore glasses, then I would understand. I have no idea why
they are wearing baseball caps, the men wear rain slickers.

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Dave Smith wrote:

> >> That was in the days when only baseball players and children wore
> >> baseball caps, and if you wanted to look stupid you would put it on
> >> sideways or backwards.

> >
> > When I was a kid, the assumption was they didn't know any better. It all
> > changed when NBA culture went viral.


> That may be, but when I see someone with a cap on sideways, I assume
> they are stupid. Besides.... they must be if they think it looks good.


How 'bout them kids who let their pants hang below their butts? There oughtta
be a law!



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> On 4/18/2013 11:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Every time we have a hurricane, you will see female TV reporters, on
>>> camera, wearing baseball caps. I just can't stand it.
>>>

>>
>>
>> I started wearing billed caps in bad weather after I had to start
>> wearing eyeglasses. You don't have to walk far in the rain before you
>> are blinded by rain drops on glasses.

>
> If the women wore glasses, then I would understand. I have no idea why
> they are wearing baseball caps, the men wear rain slickers.
>
> Becca


For a place to put their pony tails, soccer mom style.

Cheri

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notbob wrote:
>Dave Smith wrote:
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>> I started to wear hats to protect my head.

>
>Bingo.
>
>I usta hate hats, but as a baldy, gotta wear 'em. Not only protection
>from the sun, but mucho heat is lost thru the head at night. In
>Winter, I wear a night cap to bed. Not the old pointy drooping
>stocking cap of Masterpiece Theater and Dickens tales, but a light but
>warm Polartec 100 watch cap:
>
>http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/produ...oductId=722806


You wear yarmulkas? LOL

This is one of my favs:
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My one of a kind Kubota snowplowing hat:
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Ema Nymton wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
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>> I despise baseball caps on adults, or rather I despise adults who wear
>> baseball caps.. may as well wear a big flashing neon sign that says
>> PINHEAD! The only times I wear a hat it's an extra wide brimmed hat
>> when working outdoors in the sun, and for outdoor winter wear I have a
>> huge collection of hand knit stocking caps that everyone envys. My
>> hats sare all utilitarian... I don't need to wear a hat otherwise, I
>> have a full head of thick wavy hair, I don't need to wear a hat to
>> hide baldness.

>
>Every time we have a hurricane, you will see female TV reporters, on
>camera, wearing baseball caps. I just can't stand it.


And they wear those with an adjustable strap in the back... they'd
look much better with two baseball caps connected strap to strap and
worn as a bra... Miller Lite on the right and Bud on the left!


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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:59:04 -0400, George M. Middius
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>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> >> That was in the days when only baseball players and children wore
>> >> baseball caps, and if you wanted to look stupid you would put it on
>> >> sideways or backwards.
>> >
>> > When I was a kid, the assumption was they didn't know any better. It all
>> > changed when NBA culture went viral.

>
>> That may be, but when I see someone with a cap on sideways, I assume
>> they are stupid. Besides.... they must be if they think it looks good.

>
>How 'bout them kids who let their pants hang below their butts? There oughtta
>be a law!


Would be okay on the gals.
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On 18/04/2013 12:59 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
>> changed when NBA culture went viral.

>
>> That may be, but when I see someone with a cap on sideways, I assume
>> they are stupid. Besides.... they must be if they think it looks good.

>
> How 'bout them kids who let their pants hang below their butts? There oughtta
> be a law!
>
>
>



One likes to think Darwin's laws would apply. Unfortunately, it seems to
be the exact opposite, at least in the breeding rate.

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:38:10 -0500, Ema Nymton >
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> On 4/17/2013 9:04 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > I despise baseball caps on adults, or rather I despise adults who wear
> > baseball caps.. may as well wear a big flashing neon sign that says
> > PINHEAD! The only times I wear a hat it's an extra wide brimmed hat
> > when working outdoors in the sun, and for outdoor winter wear I have a
> > huge collection of hand knit stocking caps that everyone envys. My
> > hats sare all utilitarian... I don't need to wear a hat otherwise, I
> > have a full head of thick wavy hair, I don't need to wear a hat to
> > hide baldness.

>
>
> Every time we have a hurricane, you will see female TV reporters, on
> camera, wearing baseball caps. I just can't stand it.
>

I haven't seen that, but if I did... I'd assume it was because either
they haven't washed their hair in a few days and it's a mess, there's
no hair stylist available or maybe their industrial strength hair
spray can't withstand hurricane force wind.

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On 4/18/2013 4:17 PM, sf wrote:
>> Every time we have a hurricane, you will see female TV reporters, on
>> >camera, wearing baseball caps. I just can't stand it.
>> >

> I haven't seen that, but if I did... I'd assume it was because either
> they haven't washed their hair in a few days and it's a mess, there's
> no hair stylist available or maybe their industrial strength hair
> spray can't withstand hurricane force wind.


True enough, if they need a hat an adjustable ball cap would likely stay
on their head better than some big floppy brimmed hat. (Or as Cheri
pointed out, they could stick their pony tail through the back.) Why
they don't just wear a slicker with a hood is beyond me.

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> I started wearing billed caps in bad weather after I had to start
> wearing eyeglasses. You don't have to walk far in the rain before you
> are blinded by rain drops on glasses.


Never thought of that reason/use but it makes sense.

G.
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