Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
temperatures

http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:00:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
>temperatures
>
>http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod


I'm not a fan of 'through the door' stuff on refrigerators-- but I
*am* a fan of hot water dispensers, and since refrigerators produce a
lot of heat, it seems like a natural.

My hot water dispenser pops through a hole on the back of the sink-
love it.

Just watched the video. Never mind. The phrases 'program' "when
it's ready" and "up to 10 oz" - will keep me from taking one even if
it was free.

My H2O is 180 degrees all the time-- I can get about a quart before it
needs to recover. [5 minutes? 10?]

Somebody has to come up with a better one-

Jim

On Apr 26, 3:00*am, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
> temperatures
>
> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc...fe-hot-water-f...

Hot water out of a refrigerator is counter-intuitive to me.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
> temperatures
>
> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod

Cool - er, I mean, hot!

This sort of thing has been available as a stand-alone item for years.
I wonder if it's better and/or less expensive when it's part of the
'frig. I guess if you've got the 'frig already plumbed for an automatic
ice maker, at least that's one thing out of the way.

-S-

On 4/26/2013 10:07 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
>> temperatures
>>
>> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod
>
> Cool - er, I mean, hot!
>
> This sort of thing has been available as a stand-alone item for years.
> I wonder if it's better and/or less expensive when it's part of the
> 'frig. I guess if you've got the 'frig already plumbed for an automatic
> ice maker, at least that's one thing out of the way.
>
> -S-
>
Seems to me it's just one more thing that could break and is probably
*not* cheap to repair. Wouldn't you need two water lines? One for the
ice maker, one for hot water? (Who makes ice out of hot water?)

Jill

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:26:04 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 4/26/2013 10:07 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
>>> temperatures
>>>
>>> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod
>>
>> Cool - er, I mean, hot!
>>
>> This sort of thing has been available as a stand-alone item for years.
>> I wonder if it's better and/or less expensive when it's part of the
>> 'frig. I guess if you've got the 'frig already plumbed for an automatic
>> ice maker, at least that's one thing out of the way.
>>
>> -S-
>>
>Seems to me it's just one more thing that could break and is probably
>*not* cheap to repair.

My WAG is that for $800 the guy would come out and replace the whole
hot water deal in an hour. I doubt there is anything 'fixable'
there. [as a comparison, I replace my dispenser in an hour for
$120]

>Wouldn't you need two water lines? One for the
>ice maker, one for hot water? (Who makes ice out of hot water?)

Though some folks *do* use hot water for ice in the mistaken belief
that it freezes faster- or gives clearer ice cubes, just one line
would be needed for the fridge. My instant hot water at the sink
is plumbed to the cold water line as that's the one with the filter.

There is probably enough waste heat from a refrigerator to keep a few
cups of hot water hot--- but, since you have to wait for it, I suspect
that there is an electric coil that heats each cup as needed.

Mine keeps about a quart hot at all times-- Electric resistance, but
seems like it was less than a quarter a day when I metered it. Well
worth the convenience and used daily.

Jim

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 4/26/2013 10:07 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
> >> temperatures
> >>
> >> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod
> >
> > Cool - er, I mean, hot!
> >
> > This sort of thing has been available as a stand-alone item for years.
> > I wonder if it's better and/or less expensive when it's part of the
> > 'frig. I guess if you've got the 'frig already plumbed for an automatic
> > ice maker, at least that's one thing out of the way.
> >
> > -S-
> >
> Seems to me it's just one more thing that could break and is probably
> *not* cheap to repair. Wouldn't you need two water lines? One for the
> ice maker, one for hot water? (Who makes ice out of hot water?)

The fridge does not dispense hot tap water ~120-130F, it dispenses *hot*
water ~180F the same as the instant hot water dispensers that typically
install under the sink. This is hot water for instant coffee, hot
chocolate, tea, cup noodles, etc.

On 4/26/2013 11:07 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 4/26/2013 10:07 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
>>>> temperatures
>>>>
>>>> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod
>>>
>>> Cool - er, I mean, hot!
>>>
>>> This sort of thing has been available as a stand-alone item for years.
>>> I wonder if it's better and/or less expensive when it's part of the
>>> 'frig. I guess if you've got the 'frig already plumbed for an automatic
>>> ice maker, at least that's one thing out of the way.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>>
>> Seems to me it's just one more thing that could break and is probably
>> *not* cheap to repair. Wouldn't you need two water lines? One for the
>> ice maker, one for hot water? (Who makes ice out of hot water?)
>
> The fridge does not dispense hot tap water ~120-130F, it dispenses *hot*
> water ~180F the same as the instant hot water dispensers that typically
> install under the sink. This is hot water for instant coffee, hot
> chocolate, tea, cup noodles, etc.
>
Yes, Pete, I get that. My question was would you need a second water
line? I don't know why I'm asking. I'm not likely to buy one of these
refrigerators. It doesn't take long to heat water for tea, etc.

Jill

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

> My instant hot water at the sink
> is plumbed to the cold water line as that's the one with the filter.

That's what we'd do. We have an R/O filter with its own tap at the
kitchen sink - all the business for it is in the basement on the wall
right underneath.

We've considered instant hot water in one form or another for years but
our plumber says it's not ready for prime time even now, in his opinion.
He recommends it for places like a vacation house but not for a primary
residence.

I'm thinking that, if we did it for showers, the laundry, etc., we might
install some sort of hybrid/combo where we'd have a traditional hot
water heater but kept at a lower temperature and then let the instant
heater finish the job - something like that.

Back to food - our super-auto espresso machine has a tap for instant hot
water which we do use sometimes. If the machine hasn't been used in the
last half-hour or so, you have to wait about 60 seconds for it to warm
up first.

-S-

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:35:59 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

>Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
>> My instant hot water at the sink
>> is plumbed to the cold water line as that's the one with the filter.
>
>That's what we'd do. We have an R/O filter with its own tap at the
>kitchen sink - all the business for it is in the basement on the wall
>right underneath.
>

I'm a maroon. For the time/effort it takes to get to mine under
the sink-- and I don't bend over like I used, too-- I could have put
mine directly underneath in the basement and it would be at the foot
of the cellar stairs and out of the way. It might even be worth
re-doing one of these days.

>We've considered instant hot water in one form or another for years but
>our plumber says it's not ready for prime time even now, in his opinion.
>He recommends it for places like a vacation house but not for a primary
>residence.

If you're paying a plumber- maybe not. The first few I used only
lasted a couple years each. The next one went 4 yrs- and now I'm
using a new style for the past couple years.
>
>I'm thinking that, if we did it for showers, the laundry, etc., we might
>install some sort of hybrid/combo where we'd have a traditional hot
>water heater but kept at a lower temperature and then let the instant
>heater finish the job - something like that.

Ohh-- *Those*- I'm with your plumber. Mine is just for a
couple cups of tea or cocoa-- or removing labels-- or any other reason
you might want 180 degree F water in an instant.
>
>Back to food - our super-auto espresso machine has a tap for instant hot
>water which we do use sometimes. If the machine hasn't been used in the
>last half-hour or so, you have to wait about 60 seconds for it to warm
>up first.

Mine keeps it hot all the time. It is small enough and well
insulated enough that it doesn't even raise the temp under the sink
and doesn't use much electricity.

Jim

On 4/26/2013 12:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
> temperatures
>
> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod
>

A hot water dispenser is a useful thing. There's several ways to do it.
I like the idea of using the waste heat from the condenser to heat
water. It might even make the refrigerator more efficient. OTOH, it
could be a tankless type water heater or it could have a hot water tank.
I don't like the idea of having a hot water reservoir in a refrigerator
door.

On Apr 26, 11:35*am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:

> We've considered instant hot water in one form or another for years but
> our plumber says it's not ready for prime time even now, in his opinion.
> He recommends it for places like a vacation house but not for a primary
> residence.
>

Then your plumber's an idiot. Instant hot water has been available in
Europe for over 50 years. Modern heaters are reliable and do a great
job.

http://www.richardfisher.com

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 4/26/2013 11:07 AM, Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> On 4/26/2013 10:07 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> >>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
> >>>> temperatures
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod
> >>>
> >>> Cool - er, I mean, hot!
> >>>
> >>> This sort of thing has been available as a stand-alone item for years.
> >>> I wonder if it's better and/or less expensive when it's part of the
> >>> 'frig. I guess if you've got the 'frig already plumbed for an automatic
> >>> ice maker, at least that's one thing out of the way.
> >>>
> >>> -S-
> >>>
> >> Seems to me it's just one more thing that could break and is probably
> >> *not* cheap to repair. Wouldn't you need two water lines? One for the
> >> ice maker, one for hot water? (Who makes ice out of hot water?)
> >
> > The fridge does not dispense hot tap water ~120-130F, it dispenses *hot*
> > water ~180F the same as the instant hot water dispensers that typically
> > install under the sink. This is hot water for instant coffee, hot
> > chocolate, tea, cup noodles, etc.
> >
> Yes, Pete, I get that. My question was would you need a second water
> line? I don't know why I'm asking. I'm not likely to buy one of these
> refrigerators. It doesn't take long to heat water for tea, etc.

No, they use the same cold water feed the ice maker and cold water
dispenser does. Cold water in, and colder or hotter water at the
dispenser as desired.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
> temperatures
>
> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod

LG just had its US patent issue on this concept.

The GE website makes no mention of using the waste heat of the fridge to
heat the water, as some have opined. (I don't think the LG patent says
anything other than using a heat wire to heat the water, but I didn't read
it completely). GE pending patent application publication 20090133430 A1
refers only to "a heating element for heating the fluid 26 within the tank
24 to a predetermined temperature". Doesn't sound like they are talking
about using waste heat, and if they are this patent (should it be granted)
may have problems due to failure to disclose best mode.


But the GE website says it takes TWO MINUTES to heat the 12 oz. of water.
WTH?

Steve Freides wrote:
>
> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
> > My instant hot water at the sink
> > is plumbed to the cold water line as that's the one with the filter.
>
> That's what we'd do. We have an R/O filter with its own tap at the
> kitchen sink - all the business for it is in the basement on the wall
> right underneath.
>
> We've considered instant hot water in one form or another for years but
> our plumber says it's not ready for prime time even now, in his opinion.
> He recommends it for places like a vacation house but not for a primary
> residence.

You're confusing two different things:

1. Instant hot water dispensers that are typically installed at a sink
and provide ~180F water for drinks and the like.

2. Tankless hot water heaters (gas or electric) that have no storage
capacity and heat regular ~120F domestic hot water only when there is
demand.

Completely different things.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:10:15 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
>> temperatures
>>
>> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod
>
>LG just had its US patent issue on this concept.
>
>The GE website makes no mention of using the waste heat of the fridge to
>heat the water, as some have opined. (I don't think the LG patent says
>anything other than using a heat wire to heat the water, but I didn't read
>it completely). GE pending patent application publication 20090133430 A1
>refers only to "a heating element for heating the fluid 26 within the tank
>24 to a predetermined temperature". Doesn't sound like they are talking
>about using waste heat, and if they are this patent (should it be granted)
>may have problems due to failure to disclose best mode.
>
>
>But the GE website says it takes TWO MINUTES to heat the 12 oz. of water.
>WTH?
>

Yeah-- If you have to wait at all for a single serving of hot water-
then they are not storing anything but using [probably resistant]
heating on demand. Seems like a total waste.

Jim

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:10:15 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
> But the GE website says it takes TWO MINUTES to heat the 12 oz. of water.
> WTH?
>
Might as well use a low powered microwave to heat that amount of water
and it will be hot in less than two minutes.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
> temperatures
>
> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod

Kids will love that.

Greg

On 4/26/2013 5:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
> temperatures
>
> http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod


My former house had an Insinkerator that was built into the kitchen
sink. After a year, I reached under the sink and unplugged it, because
I just didn't use hot water that often. There are some people who would
probably enjoy having it.

Becca

On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:35:33 -0500, Ema Nymton >
wrote:

> On 4/26/2013 5:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > Hot water dispensed from the refrigerator. Even a choice of
> > temperatures
> >
> > http://www.geappliances.com/applianc..._enews_413prod
>
>
> My former house had an Insinkerator that was built into the kitchen
> sink. After a year, I reached under the sink and unplugged it, because
> I just didn't use hot water that often. There are some people who would
> probably enjoy having it.
>
I think my husband would like one if he'd ever admit it; but we use
the microwave to heat water and don't think it's an inconvenience. We
don't cook with the microwave, so if we had some other gadget that
heats water - the microwave would be down to one function instead of
two it has now.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Pete C. wrote:
> Steve Freides wrote:
>>
>> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>>
>>> My instant hot water at the sink
>>> is plumbed to the cold water line as that's the one with the filter.
>>
>> That's what we'd do. We have an R/O filter with its own tap at the
>> kitchen sink - all the business for it is in the basement on the wall
>> right underneath.
>>
>> We've considered instant hot water in one form or another for years
>> but our plumber says it's not ready for prime time even now, in his
>> opinion. He recommends it for places like a vacation house but not
>> for a primary residence.
>
> You're confusing two different things:
>
> 1. Instant hot water dispensers that are typically installed at a sink
> and provide ~180F water for drinks and the like.
>
> 2. Tankless hot water heaters (gas or electric) that have no storage
> capacity and heat regular ~120F domestic hot water only when there is
> demand.
>
> Completely different things.

Yes, I realize, different but somehow related because they're both
"instant hot water heaters."

-S-