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On 2013-05-09, Janet Bostwick > wrote:
> Federal regulators must grant Simplot an exemption from rules There are rules!? Apparently, Monsanto can get exemptions for corn and soy which have fish and frog genes in them and are spawning new race of super weeds and insects, but an all-potato potato requires strict scrutiny. Whatta joke. (the kinda joke tht makes one cry) nb |
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![]() Julie Bove wrote: > > Just what we need. More Frankenfoods! How is this a "frankenfood"? It's all potato, so it isn't really a GMO it's more appropriately thought of as a hybrid that has been produced under more controlled conditions. It has no genes from other species, produces no built-in pesticides, etc. |
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On 9 May 2013 10:57:32 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> On 2013-05-09, Janet Bostwick > wrote: > > > Federal regulators must grant Simplot an exemption from rules > > There are rules!? > > Apparently, Monsanto can get exemptions for corn and soy which have > fish and frog genes in them and are spawning new race of super > weeds and insects, but an all-potato potato requires strict scrutiny. > Whatta joke. (the kinda joke tht makes one cry) > Agreed. It sounds like a new hybrid, but it's treated like Frankenfood? -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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On Thu, 09 May 2013 08:34:27 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote: > >Julie Bove wrote: >> >> Just what we need. More Frankenfoods! > >How is this a "frankenfood"? It's all potato, so it isn't really a GMO >it's more appropriately thought of as a hybrid that has been produced >under more controlled conditions. It has no genes from other species, >produces no built-in pesticides, etc. This is an interesting issue. I checked with Wiki and read what is meant by genetically modified. There are several categories. From what I have read, these potatoes do qualify as GMO. Is hybridization food tampering? Do we feel uncomfortable because these potatoes were achieved at the gene level with DNA? I don't know. Janet US |
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![]() "Pete C." > wrote in message ... > > Julie Bove wrote: >> >> Just what we need. More Frankenfoods! > > How is this a "frankenfood"? It's all potato, so it isn't really a GMO > it's more appropriately thought of as a hybrid that has been produced > under more controlled conditions. It has no genes from other species, > produces no built-in pesticides, etc. But it sounds like it is GMO. |
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On 5/9/2013 10:16 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Thu, 09 May 2013 08:34:27 -0500, "Pete C." > > wrote: > >> >> Julie Bove wrote: >>> >>> Just what we need. More Frankenfoods! >> >> How is this a "frankenfood"? It's all potato, so it isn't really a GMO >> it's more appropriately thought of as a hybrid that has been produced >> under more controlled conditions. It has no genes from other species, >> produces no built-in pesticides, etc. > > This is an interesting issue. I checked with Wiki and read what is > meant by genetically modified. There are several categories. From > what I have read, these potatoes do qualify as GMO. Is hybridization > food tampering? Do we feel uncomfortable because these potatoes were > achieved at the gene level with DNA? I don't know. > Janet US > Unless they get approval to sell them I doubt we'll know if we feel uncomfortable. If they do get approval, I have a feeling I'll be uncomfortable with the price. Jill |
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On 5/9/2013 10:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Pete C." > wrote in message > ... >> >> Julie Bove wrote: >>> >>> Just what we need. More Frankenfoods! >> >> How is this a "frankenfood"? It's all potato, so it isn't really a GMO >> it's more appropriately thought of as a hybrid that has been produced >> under more controlled conditions. It has no genes from other species, >> produces no built-in pesticides, etc. > > But it sounds like it is GMO. > > Genetically modified, yes, but my take on it is it's more of a hybrid. Like some people cross-pollinate roses to create a slightly different, hardier bloom. Jill |
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Julieeee whined:
> > How is this a "frankenfood"? It's all potato, so it isn't really a GMO > > it's more appropriately thought of as a hybrid that has been produced > > under more controlled conditions. It has no genes from other species, > > produces no built-in pesticides, etc. > > But it sounds like it is GMO. This sort of comment usually makes me think "You might be a Republican if...." See, Julieeee, GMO is a type of plant or animal that is created by a specific kind of procedure. Humans have been cross-breeding (hybridizing) plants and animals since the beginning of civilization. GM tech is very new. They don't "sound like" each other unless you are lazy or wilfully ignorant. |
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![]() jmcquown wrote: > > On 5/9/2013 10:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote: > > "Pete C." > wrote in message > > ... > >> > >> Julie Bove wrote: > >>> > >>> Just what we need. More Frankenfoods! > >> > >> How is this a "frankenfood"? It's all potato, so it isn't really a GMO > >> it's more appropriately thought of as a hybrid that has been produced > >> under more controlled conditions. It has no genes from other species, > >> produces no built-in pesticides, etc. > > > > But it sounds like it is GMO. > > > > > Genetically modified, yes, but my take on it is it's more of a hybrid. > Like some people cross-pollinate roses to create a slightly different, > hardier bloom. > > Jill Produced using GM techniques vs. cross pollination, but all within the potato species so effectively comparable. |
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On May 9, 2:45*am, Janet Bostwick > wrote:
> Simplot says it has made a better potato > > Published: May 9, 2013 > > *J.R. Simplot Co. officials say their scientists have engineered a > superior potato. > > J.R. Simplot Co. says its gene-altered spuds bruise less, don't brown > when cut and lessen the potential for carcinogens > > By ZACH KYLE — > > BOISE — J.R. Simplot Co. officials say their scientists have > engineered a superior product. But they can't sell it without > government permission. > > Federal regulators must grant Simplot an exemption from rules > governing genetically modified crops before the company can add the > spuds to the 3 billion pounds it produces each year. > > The Boise company petitioned the U.S. Department of Agriculture's > Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service for an exemption. The rules > are designed to prevent the introduction of genetically modified plant > pests. Simplot contends that its potatoes are not plant pests. > > Simplot argues that its new Innate-brand potatoes, which mix genes of > five potato varieties, are pretty much like the old. > > "Innate potatoes provide no adverse impacts to human health, other > (crops) or the environment, because they contain only potato DNA and > are grown just like regular, cultivated potatoes," Simplot spokesman > Doug Cole told the Idaho Statesman. "They have the same > characteristics as their commercially grown counterparts." > > Simplot says the potatoes reduce bruising and lower potential for > cooked potatoes to carry acrylamide, a human neurotoxin and potential > carcinogen that can appear in potatoes and other starchy foods cooked > at high temperatures. > > The modified potatoes also have fewer reducing sugars, which cause > browning in cut and cooked potatoes. > > "Innate potatoes will not turn brown after being cut for many days > until they dry out and degrade naturally, while normal potatoes often > begin to turn brown within 10 minutes," said Haven Baker, Simplot vice > president of plant sciences, in an interview with Biology Fortified > Inc., a website promoting genetically modified foods. > > Baker said the potatoes could help farmers combat crop loss due to > black spot bruise, which can affect up to 5 percent of potato crops. > Black spot bruising occurs when potatoes are jostled during harvest. > Bruised potatoes are picked out of potatoes heading to commercial > markets. > > Innate potatoes could reach the market in about a year if the USDA > accepts Simplot's request, Cole told the Statesman. > > Cole said he would not comment on potential markets while the petition > is under review. The company supplies potatoes to McDonald's and other > fast-food chains, and to grocery stores. > > If they receive unregulated status, Innate potatoes would quickly be > available to commercial farms and eventually in supermarkets, Baker > said. Seeds probably wouldn't be available to home growers, he said. > > Simplot has already conducted field tests of the potatoes under the > agency's oversight. Cole said Simplot has provided test data to the > U.S. Food and Drug Administration and asked it to determine that the > potatoes are safe for humans. > > The modified crop could mean higher profits for Simplot and farmers, > but that wouldn't help consumers, said Jenny Easley of Middleton, > co-founder of GMO Free Idaho. > > "So far, the genetically modified organisms on the market are of no > benefit to consumers," Easley said. "They benefit farmers, and really, > that's all. There's not a nutritional benefit to us." > > Easley said most genetically modified foods are untested for human > consumption. She'd like to see all genetically altered foods labeled > in grocery stores and restaurants. And really, she'd like them all > banned. > > "No matter what they think the value of their potato is, we have a > regulatory system in place for a reason," Easley said. > > The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service is accepting public > comments until July 2. > > J.R. "Jack" Simplot founded his potato and onion operation in Declo in > 1929. The company has expanded into seed production, fertilizer > manufacturing, frozen-food processing and distribution while becoming > one of the largest private employers in Idaho. I bet it has no flavor. |
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![]() "George M. Middius" > wrote in message ... > Julieeee whined: > >> > How is this a "frankenfood"? It's all potato, so it isn't really a GMO >> > it's more appropriately thought of as a hybrid that has been produced >> > under more controlled conditions. It has no genes from other species, >> > produces no built-in pesticides, etc. >> >> But it sounds like it is GMO. > > This sort of comment usually makes me think "You might be a Republican > if...." > > See, Julieeee, GMO is a type of plant or animal that is created by a > specific > kind of procedure. Humans have been cross-breeding (hybridizing) plants > and > animals since the beginning of civilization. GM tech is very new. They > don't > "sound like" each other unless you are lazy or wilfully ignorant. I'm not the only one who thinks that. |
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 12:13:58 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote: > I bet it has no flavor. You want everything don't you? What an ungrateful little whippersnapper. When I was a kid you had one choice and by golly, you liked it or went without. grumble, grumble, grumble -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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![]() "Janet Bostwick" wrote in message ... Simplot says it has made a better potato Published: May 9, 2013 J.R. Simplot Co. officials say their scientists have engineered a superior potato. J.R. Simplot Co. says its gene-altered spuds bruise less, don't brown when cut and lessen the potential for carcinogens By ZACH KYLE €” BOISE €” J.R. Simplot Co. officials say their scientists have engineered a superior product. But they can't sell it without government permission. Jeez, Janet, aren't the spuds from Idaho big enough now? If they keep on growing and growing, we will never see the morning sun in Washington. ![]() Frankenspud!!! Alan |
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 18:36:27 -0700, "Alan" > wrote:
> > >"Janet Bostwick" wrote in message .. . > > >Simplot says it has made a better potato > >Published: May 9, 2013 > >J.R. Simplot Co. officials say their scientists have engineered a >superior potato. > >J.R. Simplot Co. says its gene-altered spuds bruise less, don't brown >when cut and lessen the potential for carcinogens > >By ZACH KYLE — > > >BOISE — J.R. Simplot Co. officials say their scientists have >engineered a superior product. But they can't sell it without >government permission. > >Jeez, Janet, aren't the spuds from Idaho big enough now? If they keep on >growing and growing, we will never see the morning sun in Washington. ![]() >Frankenspud!!! > >Alan You've seen the Spudmobile, haven't you? And personally, I really like the Idaho Spud candy bar. We will try not to block the sun from all the Washington apples ![]() Janet US |
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:04:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > > I use different kinds too. Prefer Yukon Gold for mashed. Russets for baked > or mashed for pierogi filling. Oh, no. Waxed are okay for roasted, rarely do "Yukon"... why bother and Russets make the best mashed, hands down. I don't make pierogo. so I don't know. Had a samosa today and it had a russet inside, so I think they are a "universal" potato. -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:04:35 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> >> I use different kinds too. Prefer Yukon Gold for mashed. Russets for >> baked >> or mashed for pierogi filling. > > Oh, no. Waxed are okay for roasted, rarely do "Yukon"... why bother > and Russets make the best mashed, hands down. I don't make pierogo. > so I don't know. Had a samosa today and it had a russet inside, so I > think they are a "universal" potato. I must disagree. For eating just as mashed, I prefer the Yukon Gold. Much better texture! |
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On Friday, May 10, 2013 9:17:47 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message > > ... > > > On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:04:35 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> I use different kinds too. Prefer Yukon Gold for mashed. Russets for > > >> baked > > >> or mashed for pierogi filling. > > > > > > Oh, no. Waxed are okay for roasted, rarely do "Yukon"... why bother > > > and Russets make the best mashed, hands down. I don't make pierogo. > > > so I don't know. Had a samosa today and it had a russet inside, so I > > > think they are a "universal" potato. > > > > I must disagree. For eating just as mashed, I prefer the Yukon Gold. Much > > better texture! I dislike Yukon Gold...never have cared for them and I have grown dozens of varieties. We all have different tastes...that is why there are so many varieties. It also depends on what we were brought up with. My folks ate the Netted Gem type potatoes and rarely grew any other varieties. |
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:17:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > > "sf" > wrote in message > ... > > On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:04:35 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> I use different kinds too. Prefer Yukon Gold for mashed. Russets for > >> baked > >> or mashed for pierogi filling. > > > > Oh, no. Waxed are okay for roasted, rarely do "Yukon"... why bother > > and Russets make the best mashed, hands down. I don't make pierogo. > > so I don't know. Had a samosa today and it had a russet inside, so I > > think they are a "universal" potato. > > I must disagree. For eating just as mashed, I prefer the Yukon Gold. Much > better texture! > I don't like the slimy texture of a mashed wax potato. -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:04:13 -0700, sf > wrote:
>On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:17:47 -0700, "Julie Bove" > wrote: > >> >> "sf" > wrote in message >> ... >> > On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:04:35 -0700, "Julie Bove" >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I use different kinds too. Prefer Yukon Gold for mashed. Russets for >> >> baked >> >> or mashed for pierogi filling. >> > >> > Oh, no. Waxed are okay for roasted, rarely do "Yukon"... why bother >> > and Russets make the best mashed, hands down. I don't make pierogo. >> > so I don't know. Had a samosa today and it had a russet inside, so I >> > think they are a "universal" potato. >> >> I must disagree. For eating just as mashed, I prefer the Yukon Gold. Much >> better texture! >> >I don't like the slimy texture of a mashed wax potato. that's the problem, Yukon Gold is neither fish nor fowl. It doesn't bake or mash well and it doesn't do duty well as a wax potato. But everybody is on the bandwagon for them now. Janet US |
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Julie Bove wrote:
> > I must disagree. For eating just as mashed, I prefer the Yukon Gold. Much > better texture! I tried Yukon Gold once. Didn't like them. I use red potatoes for almost everything. Russets are good for fries though. G. |
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 14:07:34 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote: > that's the problem, Yukon Gold is neither fish nor fowl. It doesn't > bake or mash well and it doesn't do duty well as a wax potato. But > everybody is on the bandwagon for them now. I'm fine with them cubed and roasted, but that's about it. -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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![]() "Roy" > wrote in message ... > I dislike Yukon Gold...never have cared for them and I have grown dozens > of varieties. We all have different tastes...that is why there are so many > varieties. It also depends on what we were brought up with. My folks > ate the Netted Gem type potatoes and rarely grew any other varieties. We never grew them. My mom (who lived on a farm) said that they were one thing that was cheaper to buy than to grow. |
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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:17:47 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> >> "sf" > wrote in message >> ... >> > On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:04:35 -0700, "Julie Bove" >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I use different kinds too. Prefer Yukon Gold for mashed. Russets for >> >> baked >> >> or mashed for pierogi filling. >> > >> > Oh, no. Waxed are okay for roasted, rarely do "Yukon"... why bother >> > and Russets make the best mashed, hands down. I don't make pierogo. >> > so I don't know. Had a samosa today and it had a russet inside, so I >> > think they are a "universal" potato. >> >> I must disagree. For eating just as mashed, I prefer the Yukon Gold. >> Much >> better texture! >> > I don't like the slimy texture of a mashed wax potato. I don't find them slimy or waxy. |
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On Thu, 09 May 2013 08:34:27 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote: >Julie Bove wrote: >> >> Just what we need. More Frankenfoods! > >How is this a "frankenfood"? It's all potato, so it isn't really a GMO >it's more appropriately thought of as a hybrid that has been produced >under more controlled conditions. It has no genes from other species, >produces no built-in pesticides, etc. So they say... whatever your definition of 'GMO' might be, we don't need another vegetable 'improved' for the benefit of the manufacturer, rather than the consumer. >>>J.R. "Jack" Simplot founded his potato and onion operation in Declo in >>>1929. The company has expanded into seed production, fertilizer >>>manufacturing, frozen-food processing and distribution while becoming >>>one of the largest private employers in Idaho. Ah yes, Simplot. Such a nice, benevolent company... destroying farmers lives the world over by their dominance and complete control of the potato and pea industries and markets (amongst others). |
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 14:56:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > >"Roy" > wrote in message ... >> I dislike Yukon Gold...never have cared for them and I have grown dozens >> of varieties. We all have different tastes...that is why there are so many >> varieties. It also depends on what we were brought up with. My folks >> ate the Netted Gem type potatoes and rarely grew any other varieties. > >We never grew them. My mom (who lived on a farm) said that they were one >thing that was cheaper to buy than to grow. How can they be cheaper to buy than to grow? You mean they're cheap enough to not bother growing... which is fine, but fresh spuds straight from the garden are sublime. Bought ones are not ![]() -- I wanna go like my grandfather... in his sleep. Not like the screaming passengers in his car! |
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On 5/10/2013 6:06 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Thu, 09 May 2013 08:34:27 -0500, "Pete C." > > wrote: > >> Julie Bove wrote: >>> >>> Just what we need. More Frankenfoods! >> >> How is this a "frankenfood"? It's all potato, so it isn't really a GMO >> it's more appropriately thought of as a hybrid that has been produced >> under more controlled conditions. It has no genes from other species, >> produces no built-in pesticides, etc. > > So they say... whatever your definition of 'GMO' might be, we don't > need another vegetable 'improved' for the benefit of the manufacturer, > rather than the consumer. > (snippage) Now *that* I agree with. Besides, when it comes to a potato that doesn't go brown within 10 minutes after slicing... most of us know the cold water with a dash of lemon juice or white vinegar trick. Jill |
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![]() "Jeßus" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 10 May 2013 14:56:39 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> >>"Roy" > wrote in message ... >>> I dislike Yukon Gold...never have cared for them and I have grown dozens >>> of varieties. We all have different tastes...that is why there are so >>> many >>> varieties. It also depends on what we were brought up with. My folks >>> ate the Netted Gem type potatoes and rarely grew any other varieties. >> >>We never grew them. My mom (who lived on a farm) said that they were one >>thing that was cheaper to buy than to grow. > > How can they be cheaper to buy than to grow? You mean they're cheap > enough to not bother growing... which is fine, but fresh spuds > straight from the garden are sublime. Bought ones are not ![]() Probably because they require a lot of care in terms of watering and debugging. |
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