Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all the
same.

Here's part of the text:

With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary impulses
have disappeared. Corporations have adopted practices that make a
mockery of what people think they are buying when they pay extra for
an eco-friendly label. For one, major organic brands now source from
across the globe. Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand,
bananas from Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets
organic peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
environmental regulation. And these are not isolated examples.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...lty-fair-trade

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 6/9/2013 12:12 PM, sf wrote:
> Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all the
> same.
>
> Here's part of the text:
>
> With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary impulses
> have disappeared. Corporations have adopted practices that make a
> mockery of what people think they are buying when they pay extra for
> an eco-friendly label. For one, major organic brands now source from
> across the globe. Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand,
> bananas from Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets
> organic peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
> environmental regulation. And these are not isolated examples.
>
> http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...lty-fair-trade
>

Thanks for that, I'm becoming a real label-reading skeptic, shopping
takes a lot longer these days.

On 6/9/2013 2:39 PM, casa bona wrote:
> On 6/9/2013 12:12 PM, sf wrote:
>> Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all the
>> same.
>>
>> Here's part of the text:
>>
>> With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary impulses
>> have disappeared. Corporations have adopted practices that make a
>> mockery of what people think they are buying when they pay extra for
>> an eco-friendly label. For one, major organic brands now source from
>> across the globe. Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand,
>> bananas from Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets
>> organic peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
>> environmental regulation. And these are not isolated examples.
>>
>> http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...lty-fair-trade
>>
>>
>
> Thanks for that, I'm becoming a real label-reading skeptic, shopping
> takes a lot longer these days.

I was surprised to find on a jar of cornichons labelled with a French
name, there was also "Packed in India".

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 14:52:06 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote:

> On 6/9/2013 2:39 PM, casa bona wrote:
> > On 6/9/2013 12:12 PM, sf wrote:
> >> Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all the
> >> same.
> >>
> >> Here's part of the text:
> >>
> >> With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary impulses
> >> have disappeared. Corporations have adopted practices that make a
> >> mockery of what people think they are buying when they pay extra for
> >> an eco-friendly label. For one, major organic brands now source from
> >> across the globe. Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand,
> >> bananas from Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets
> >> organic peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
> >> environmental regulation. And these are not isolated examples.
> >>
> >> http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...lty-fair-trade
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for that, I'm becoming a real label-reading skeptic, shopping
> > takes a lot longer these days.
>
> I was surprised to find on a jar of cornichons labelled with a French
> name, there was also "Packed in India".

I know. You definitely have to read the fine print - but Packed in
India will help you as much as Packed in Oregon helped those who
bought the Costco (Hep A) Mixed Berries.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:44 -0700, sf > wrote:

>Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all the
>same.
>
>Here's part of the text:
>
>With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary impulses
>have disappeared. Corporations have adopted practices that make a
>mockery of what people think they are buying when they pay extra for
>an eco-friendly label. For one, major organic brands now source from
>across the globe. Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand,
>bananas from Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets
>organic peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
>environmental regulation. And these are not isolated examples.
>
>http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...lty-fair-trade

Pretty sad and the local farmers are going broke.

On 6/9/2013 12:52 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 6/9/2013 2:39 PM, casa bona wrote:
>> On 6/9/2013 12:12 PM, sf wrote:
>>> Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all the
>>> same.
>>>
>>> Here's part of the text:
>>>
>>> With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary impulses
>>> have disappeared. Corporations have adopted practices that make a
>>> mockery of what people think they are buying when they pay extra for
>>> an eco-friendly label. For one, major organic brands now source from
>>> across the globe. Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand,
>>> bananas from Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets
>>> organic peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
>>> environmental regulation. And these are not isolated examples.
>>>
>>> http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...lty-fair-trade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for that, I'm becoming a real label-reading skeptic, shopping
>> takes a lot longer these days.
>
> I was surprised to find on a jar of cornichons labelled with a French
> name, there was also "Packed in India".
>
That's just astoundingly wrong. I'm going to have to examine my capers
in future too. It's become well nigh impossible, save for early fall, to
find actual American (New Mexico) pinon nuts. Costco has these immense
bags from China - not the same taste at all.

On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:51:13 -0600, casa bona > wrote:

> It's become well nigh impossible, save for early fall, to
> find actual American (New Mexico) pinon nuts.

Where do you buy it? I'd buy American, but not imported.

> Costco has these immense
> bags from China - not the same taste at all.

I avoid that product because I've read that Chinese pine nuts leave a
metallic aftertaste in your mouth that won't go away for days.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/201...les-scientists


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 15:19:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:44 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all the
> >same.
> >
> >Here's part of the text:
> >
> >With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary impulses
> >have disappeared. Corporations have adopted practices that make a
> >mockery of what people think they are buying when they pay extra for
> >an eco-friendly label. For one, major organic brands now source from
> >across the globe. Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand,
> >bananas from Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets
> >organic peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
> >environmental regulation. And these are not isolated examples.
> >
> >http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...lty-fair-trade
>
> Pretty sad and the local farmers are going broke.

Crying all the way to the bank with their farm subsidies.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:44 -0700, sf > wrote:

>Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all the
>same.
>
>Here's part of the text:
>
>With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary impulses
>have disappeared. Corporations have adopted practices that make a
>mockery of what people think they are buying when they pay extra for
>an eco-friendly label. For one, major organic brands now source from
>across the globe. Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand,
>bananas from Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets
>organic peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
>environmental regulation. And these are not isolated examples.
>
>http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...lty-fair-trade

Be of a very cynical mind when it comes to buying food and you'll be a
step ahead of these *******s

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all the
> same.
>
> Here's part of the text:
>
> With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary impulses
> have disappeared. Corporations have adopted practices that make a
> mockery of what people think they are buying when they pay extra for
> an eco-friendly label. For one, major organic brands now source from
> across the globe. Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand,
> bananas from Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets
> organic peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
> environmental regulation. And these are not isolated examples.
>
> http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...lty-fair-trade

Yeah. I don't doubt it. I no longer buy mostly organic. From what I have
read, just because of all the crap in our rain and our soil, even if the
farmer doesn't add stuff, it's there to an extent anyway.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in
:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all
>> the same.
>>
>> Here's part of the text:
>>
>> With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary
>> impulses have disappeared. Corporations have adopted
>> practices that make a mockery of what people think they are
>> buying when they pay extra for an eco-friendly label. For
>> one, major organic brands now source from across the globe.
>> Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand, bananas from
>> Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets organic
>> peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
>> environmental regulation. And these are not isolated
>> examples.
>>
>> http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...-organic-limit
>> ed-local-faulty-fair-trade
>
> Yeah. I don't doubt it. I no longer buy mostly organic.
> From what I have read, just because of all the crap in our
> rain and our soil, even if the farmer doesn't add stuff, it's
> there to an extent anyway.

There was a recent article in Le canard enchaîné which exposed
the machinations of the mafia, taking advantage of relaxed
regulations in Europe, to buy cheap produce in Romania and sell
it as organic in Italy.

http://fr.sott.net/article/9452-Des-...onnes-de-faux-
produits-bio-ecoulees-en-Europe

http://tinyurl.com/mgpx4tw

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

On 6/9/2013 2:20 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:51:13 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>
>> It's become well nigh impossible, save for early fall, to
>> find actual American (New Mexico) pinon nuts.
>
> Where do you buy it? I'd buy American, but not imported.

Absolutely, let me offer a link, as I am presuming you're not a New Mexican.

http://www.newmexicopinonnut.com/

There has been a problem with pinon pines dying off, so it truly is a
limited availability item.

Also try:

http://pinonnuts.com/

I enjoy roasting my own, but at these prices you want ot be so careful.

In the fall it was always easy in years past to find small family stands
selling pinons, obviously now not so much.

>> Costco has these immense
>> bags from China - not the same taste at all.
>
> I avoid that product because I've read that Chinese pine nuts leave a
> metallic aftertaste in your mouth that won't go away for days.
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/201...les-scientists

Oh wow, that's just nasty! I've had Chinese pine nuts without being
afflicted, but why bother.

On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:21:49 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 15:19:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:44 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all the
>> >same.
>> >
>> >Here's part of the text:
>> >
>> >With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary impulses
>> >have disappeared. Corporations have adopted practices that make a
>> >mockery of what people think they are buying when they pay extra for
>> >an eco-friendly label. For one, major organic brands now source from
>> >across the globe. Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand,
>> >bananas from Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets
>> >organic peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
>> >environmental regulation. And these are not isolated examples.
>> >
>> >http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...lty-fair-trade
>>
>> Pretty sad and the local farmers are going broke.
>
>Crying all the way to the bank with their farm subsidies.

uh hem, not all farmers get subsidies and probably not most of the
small ones. You've got to verge on agribusiness to get the subsidy.
because then it helps to fill the political pockets of those who
created them and viola- reelection!

aloha from cynical Cea

sf wrote:
>
> Just confirming what we already knew, but it's concerning all the
> same.
>
> Here's part of the text:
>
> With the rise of industrial organic, these more revolutionary impulses
> have disappeared. Corporations have adopted practices that make a
> mockery of what people think they are buying when they pay extra for
> an eco-friendly label. For one, major organic brands now source from
> across the globe. Stonyfield yogurt uses milk from New Zealand,
> bananas from Ecuador, and apple products from Turkey. Costco gets
> organic peanuts from China, a country not known for rigorous
> environmental regulation. And these are not isolated examples.
>
> http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16...lty-fair-trade


Quite the opposite, it sounds like they want to hijack the term
"organic" now that large scale producers are in fact producing organic
produce and organic produce is being imported. Nothing in the legitimate
definition of "organic" pertains to the size of the farm or the global
location of the farm.

If you want you can certainly label produce that is locally produced,
here in Texas we have a successful "Go Texan" program that promotes a
common trademarked logo for Texas produced products. Nothing is
preventing other states from doing similar. You can even do a logo for
small family farmers and mark products like that.

Michel Boucher wrote:

> There was a recent article in Le canard enchaîné which exposed
> the machinations of the mafia, taking advantage of relaxed
> regulations in Europe, to buy cheap produce in Romania and sell
> it as organic in Italy.
>
> http://fr.sott.net/article/9452-Des-...onnes-de-faux-
> produits-bio-ecoulees-en-Europe
>
> http://tinyurl.com/mgpx4tw

Even without mafia and without foreign products ("hey mum, look: hands
off!"):
http://corrieredibologna.corriere.it...30697412.shtml
--
"Un pasto senza vino e' come un giorno senza sole"
Anthelme Brillat Savarin