On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:49:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 20/06/2013 4:17 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:48:57 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/20/2013 10:12 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> >>> casa bona > wrote in :
> >>>
> >>>> Canadian abusers need not apply...
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, jerkoff. While you're at it, go **** yourself.
> >>>
> >>> *plonk*
> >>>
> >>
> >> That was pointed at Dave, not you. But if the shoe seemed to fit...
> >
> > He's touchy that way... you know how the French are up there in
> > Quebec.
>
> He is more French than I am, but I plonked the obnoxious twit before he
> did.



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On 6/20/2013 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I didn't see the look of horror on her face that I might have expected
> of someone who was being choked.

Barring that you're mostly blind or from some other planet that claim,
no matter how many times you repeat it, is absurd!

On 6/20/2013 4:35 PM, wrote:
> Hello Dear,
>
> Welcome to United Bank Of Africa

How the hell do these spammers manage to find rfc? <plonk>

Jill

In article >,
says...


> Perhaps in the UK there is also a category for a "formal complaint", as
> opposed to a "complaint", but AFAIK no "formal complaint" made is the
> same thing as no complaint made at all.

No.

During investigations into a crime, the police can "informally
interview" someone who is not a suspect. An informal interview may
result in the interviewee making a "formal statement" about the
matter, but quite commonly it doesn't.

A formal statement is a written, signed report to police, that
can be used and questioned in court.

IOW not signing a written formal statement to police, that does NOT
mean she hasn't talked to them about what took place.

Janet

On 20/06/2013 7:20 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>
>> Perhaps in the UK there is also a category for a "formal complaint", as
>> opposed to a "complaint", but AFAIK no "formal complaint" made is the
>> same thing as no complaint made at all.
>
> No.
>
> During investigations into a crime, the police can "informally
> interview" someone who is not a suspect. An informal interview may
> result in the interviewee making a "formal statement" about the
> matter, but quite commonly it doesn't.
>
> A formal statement is a written, signed report to police, that
> can be used and questioned in court.
>
> IOW not signing a written formal statement to police, that does NOT
> mean she hasn't talked to them about what took place.
>
>


But..... she did not lodge a complaint. I would have expected that if
she felt threatened, if she felt she had been assaulted she would have
made a complaint. Apparently, she did not.

Susan > wrote in
:

> Oh, lord, I hope so. Poutine looks like French fries that
> have been vomited on.

Only if they're not made properly. Experienced poutiniers are hard
to find outside of Québec.

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from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

On 6/20/2013 6:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I would have expected that if she felt threatened, if she felt she had
> been assaulted she would have made a complaint.

That's because you know next to nothing about the psychological factors
regarding abuse, nor did you bother to read the url that was supplied on
the matter.

On 6/20/2013 5:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Not in the branch of law enforcement I worked in.


Nigella Lawson aside, which branch of law enforcement was that? In what
capacity? I don't care if you were a typist or a file clerk. But
you've never actually said.

BTW, you didn't initially seem to find anything wrong with the photos of
him having his hand on her throat. Of course it's easy to dismiss
something as tabloid crap. I don't believe Elvis is alive in Nevada,
either. But you can't dispute those photos. Even if she didn't appear
(to you) to be terrified.

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> On 20/06/2013 7:20 PM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >
> >
> >> Perhaps in the UK there is also a category for a "formal complaint", as
> >> opposed to a "complaint", but AFAIK no "formal complaint" made is the
> >> same thing as no complaint made at all.
> >
> > No.
> >
> > During investigations into a crime, the police can "informally
> > interview" someone who is not a suspect. An informal interview may
> > result in the interviewee making a "formal statement" about the
> > matter, but quite commonly it doesn't.
> >
> > A formal statement is a written, signed report to police, that
> > can be used and questioned in court.
> >
> > IOW not signing a written formal statement to police, that does NOT
> > mean she hasn't talked to them about what took place.
> >
> >
>
>
> But..... she did not lodge a complaint.

I would have expected that if
> she felt threatened, if she felt she had been assaulted she would have
> made a complaint. Apparently, she did not.

If she felt she hadn't been assaulted and found the behaviour
perfectly acceptable and harmless then nothing would be easier than to
release a statement through her lawyer backing up his "playful"" excuse
and let him off the hook. End of story.

But she didn't.

Instead Saatchi suddenly drops the "playful" denial, admits assault
(a prerequisite for accepting the assault caution).He explains this
turnaround by foolishly announcing "the alternative was having this
hanging over us for months".

What do you think was going to be "hanging over them for months"?

Janet UK

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:24:17 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>>
>> What do you think was going to be "hanging over them for months"?
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> Abuse is a strange thing, abused or abuser. 'Normal' loving, even
> friendly men do not grab their spouses by the throat in public when
> both of them are instantly recognisable. To me that shows an
> extraordinary level of power and control and she should have left him
> right then !
>
> Years ago I worked with a few others setting up a shelter for women
> and what some went through was incredible and it became difficult,
> depressing, to work with them when so often they went back with the
> abuser saying "He says he is sorry, it won't happen again, he didn't
> mean it, it was just he had been drinking - it's not really him" and
> we all knew it was just a matter of time before the cycle began again.
>
> Lawson does not have the main worry of many abused women, how to
> support her children if she leaves him, so I can't really say I feel
> that sorry for her if she is silly enough to try and make a go of it.
> Not a good scenario for her children to witness.
>
> I don't have much respect for the people defending him, it's clear
> what he is but doubtless it can all be explained away if he kills her
> - a not uncommon outcome.

atm it seems as though she is seeing sense since she has moved out. I
agree about those defending him Did you see Jill's story about the awful
time she had with her ex husband. The spite shown by him was horrifying. I
doubt Nigella will have to contend with anything like that either. If she
does go back to him, she would deserve whatever she gets! Let's hope, for
the sake of those children that she has more sense.
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On 6/20/2013 7:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> But..... she did not lodge a complaint. I would have expected that if
> she felt threatened, if she felt she had been assaulted she would have
> made a complaint. Apparently, she did not.


And again, you prove that you know nothing about abusive relationships.

George L

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:15:45 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>atm it seems as though she is seeing sense since she has moved out. I
>>agree about those defending him Did you see Jill's story about the
>>awful
>>time she had with her ex husband. The spite shown by him was horrifying.
>>I
>>doubt Nigella will have to contend with anything like that either. If she
>>does go back to him, she would deserve whatever she gets! Let's hope, for
>>the sake of those children that she has more sense.
>>--
>
> I don't read news like that (well it's not "news' IMO) but I am glad
> to hear she has left and hopefully she will not go back. No
> unfortunately I did not see Jill's story but assume she is away from
> it now.
>
> Currently here they are searching for the body of a woman who had told
> her parents she was going to leave her boyfriend, she has not been
> seen in three months. I get so exasperated that this continues so
> often, punishments are not severe enough to deter others. Yes, I do
> realise there are female abusers too, though more rarely and I would
> punish them in exactly the same manner. If more men would heap scorn
> on other men who abuse, I believe that would help too !

One would hope so.

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On 6/21/2013 8:08 AM, wrote:
> I don't read news like that (well it's not "news' IMO) but I am glad
> to hear she has left and hopefully she will not go back. No
> unfortunately I did not see Jill's story but assume she is away from
> it now.
>
> Currently here they are searching for the body of a woman who had told
> her parents she was going to leave her boyfriend, she has not been
> seen in three months.


According to Dave Smith, the woman is possibly out of the country doing
Church Mission work feeding the poor in the Congo and just forgot to
tell anyone that she was leaving.

George L

Susan > wrote in news:b2hmm0Fj4m2U1
@mid.individual.net:

> I've never seen them anywhere but Quebec.

Of course not. Being a poutinier is a long tradition in Québec
going back many generations. As the expression goes: Hors du
Québec, point de salut (Outside of Québec there is no point in
saluting).

I ask you, why would anyone want to leave paradise to go make
poutine for people who look on it with disgust?

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

> The are available in some places outside of Quebec, but it is
> hard to get the nice fresh cheese curds. The city near us has
> places that sell them but there is a significant community of
> displaced Qebecers.

But are any of them certified poutiniers? I think not...

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/21/2013 8:08 AM, wrote:
>> I don't read news like that (well it's not "news' IMO) but I am glad
>> to hear she has left and hopefully she will not go back. No
>> unfortunately I did not see Jill's story but assume she is away from
>> it now.
>>
>> Currently here they are searching for the body of a woman who had told
>> her parents she was going to leave her boyfriend, she has not been
>> seen in three months.
>
>
> According to Dave Smith, the woman is possibly out of the country doing
> Church Mission work feeding the poor in the Congo and just forgot to tell
> anyone that she was leaving.

Yep that sounds like Dave! I may be way off beam here, but don't some
people make excuses for those who act as they themselves do?
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> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 08:22:15 -0500, George Leppla
> > wrote:
>
>>On 6/21/2013 8:08 AM, wrote:
>>> I don't read news like that (well it's not "news' IMO) but I am glad
>>> to hear she has left and hopefully she will not go back. No
>>> unfortunately I did not see Jill's story but assume she is away from
>>> it now.
>>>
>>> Currently here they are searching for the body of a woman who had told
>>> her parents she was going to leave her boyfriend, she has not been
>>> seen in three months.
>>
>>
>>According to Dave Smith, the woman is possibly out of the country doing
>>Church Mission work feeding the poor in the Congo and just forgot to
>>tell anyone that she was leaving.
>>
>>George L
>
> Sadly this a.m. the police have arrested him and possibly a deal is
> being cut where he will reveal where her body is in return for a
> lighter sentence.
>
> I hate that but can see the difficulty. A young woman disappeared in
> the 70s and her body has never been found, nor would he say where it
> is. Everytime remains are found her parents have hopes according to
> her sister, bad enough to lose your child, but then that ?

I cannot even begin to imagine ...

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On 21/06/2013 9:59 AM, George Leppla wrote:
> On 6/21/2013 8:47 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>> Holy shit George. Is it your time of the month? I was skeptical of a
>> report in a ****ing tabloid. Nigella never made a complaint. She is
>> married to a control freak. Unlike you, she can probably deal with it.
>
> 1) I don't give a rat's ass where the pictures were published.

You should, because tabloids are notorious for sensationalizing things.
That is their business.

Dave Smith > wrote in news:YKYwt.1471$k%
:

>>> The are available in some places outside of Quebec, but it is
>>> hard to get the nice fresh cheese curds. The city near us has
>>> places that sell them but there is a significant community of
>>> displaced Qebecers.
>>
>> But are any of them certified poutiniers? I think not...
>>
>
> Graduate or post graduate studies?

It's an apprenticeship that leads eventually to a ranking of Maître
poutinier and above Maître poutinier émérite.

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

Dave Smith > wrote in news:YKYwt.1471$k%
:

> Fries, curds, gravy.

Actually that's the formula for pté chinois which Théraise in La
petite vie can never remember: steak haché, blé d'inde, patates.

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

On 21/06/2013 10:12 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote in news:YKYwt.1471$k%
> :
>
>>>> The are available in some places outside of Quebec, but it is
>>>> hard to get the nice fresh cheese curds. The city near us has
>>>> places that sell them but there is a significant community of
>>>> displaced Qebecers.
>>>
>>> But are any of them certified poutiniers? I think not...
>>>
>>
>> Graduate or post graduate studies?
>
> It's an apprenticeship that leads eventually to a ranking of Maître
> poutinier and above Maître poutinier émérite.
>


And one needs that to deep fry potatoes, make gravy and buy curds?

On 6/21/2013 3:24 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 20/06/2013 7:20 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Perhaps in the UK there is also a category for a "formal complaint", as
>>>> opposed to a "complaint", but AFAIK no "formal complaint" made is the
>>>> same thing as no complaint made at all.
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> During investigations into a crime, the police can "informally
>>> interview" someone who is not a suspect. An informal interview may
>>> result in the interviewee making a "formal statement" about the
>>> matter, but quite commonly it doesn't.
>>>
>>> A formal statement is a written, signed report to police, that
>>> can be used and questioned in court.
>>>
>>> IOW not signing a written formal statement to police, that does NOT
>>> mean she hasn't talked to them about what took place.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> But..... she did not lodge a complaint.
>
> I would have expected that if
>> she felt threatened, if she felt she had been assaulted she would have
>> made a complaint. Apparently, she did not.
>
> If she felt she hadn't been assaulted and found the behaviour
> perfectly acceptable and harmless then nothing would be easier than to
> release a statement through her lawyer backing up his "playful"" excuse
> and let him off the hook. End of story.
>
> But she didn't.
>
> Instead Saatchi suddenly drops the "playful" denial, admits assault
> (a prerequisite for accepting the assault caution).He explains this
> turnaround by foolishly announcing "the alternative was having this
> hanging over us for months".
>
> What do you think was going to be "hanging over them for months"?
>
> Janet UK
>

Talk of a separation or divorce?

On 6/21/2013 7:22 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Susan > wrote in news:b2hmm0Fj4m2U1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> I've never seen them anywhere but Quebec.
>
> Of course not. Being a poutinier is a long tradition in Québec
> going back many generations. As the expression goes: Hors du
> Québec, point de salut (Outside of Québec there is no point in
> saluting).
>
> I ask you, why would anyone want to leave paradise to go make
> poutine for people who look on it with disgust?
>
Down her diners serve wet fries - with gravy.

The curds are just odd.

On 6/21/2013 7:47 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Nigella never made a complaint. She is married to a control freak.
> Unlike you, she can probably deal with it.

I wouldn't have thought you could fit both feet in your mouth at once...

On 6/21/2013 8:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 21/06/2013 9:59 AM, George Leppla wrote:
>> On 6/21/2013 8:47 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Holy shit George. Is it your time of the month? I was skeptical of a
>>> report in a ****ing tabloid. Nigella never made a complaint. She is
>>> married to a control freak. Unlike you, she can probably deal with it.
>>
>> 1) I don't give a rat's ass where the pictures were published.
>
> You should, because tabloids are notorious for sensationalizing things.
> That is their business.
>
>
>
The photos speak for themselves, unfortunately so do you.

On 6/21/2013 9:21 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> As I initially indicated, they were tabloid photos, which should always
> be treated with some degree of suspicion.

They speak for themselves, until you can prove they were staged or
doctored, trog.

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:21:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> but hypocrisy is quite common in the PC crowd.

Hey. I'm offended.


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In article >,
says...

> .... but when someone calls you on it, you say THAT is abusive.
>
> Uh huh.
>
> I don't think that is true because you haven't filed a complaint.

LOL. Anyway, I can tell from Dave's expression that he's not even
upset.

Janet.

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

>> It's an apprenticeship that leads eventually to a ranking of
>> MaŒtre poutinier and above MaŒtre poutinier ‚m‚rite.
>
> And one needs that to deep fry potatoes, make gravy and buy
> curds?

You make it sound like being a poutinier is a base occupation when
in reality it is a high calling (eille cline!) :-)

Philistine! :-|

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

In article >, says...
> >> But..... she did not lodge a complaint.
> >
> > I would have expected that if
> >> she felt threatened, if she felt she had been assaulted she would have
> >> made a complaint. Apparently, she did not.
> >
> > If she felt she hadn't been assaulted and found the behaviour
> > perfectly acceptable and harmless then nothing would be easier than to
> > release a statement through her lawyer backing up his "playful"" excuse
> > and let him off the hook. End of story.
> >
> > But she didn't.
> >
> > Instead Saatchi suddenly drops the "playful" denial, admits assault
> > (a prerequisite for accepting the assault caution).He explains this
> > turnaround by foolishly announcing "the alternative was having this
> > hanging over us for months".
> >
> > What do you think was going to be "hanging over them for months"?
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
>
> Talk of a separation or divorce?

Nope, I hardly think accepting a police caution was going to alleviate
separation, prevent divorce, or months of impending-doom stress. Try
again.

Janet
>
>

On 6/21/2013 10:26 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>>> But..... she did not lodge a complaint.
>>>
>>> I would have expected that if
>>>> she felt threatened, if she felt she had been assaulted she would have
>>>> made a complaint. Apparently, she did not.
>>>
>>> If she felt she hadn't been assaulted and found the behaviour
>>> perfectly acceptable and harmless then nothing would be easier than to
>>> release a statement through her lawyer backing up his "playful"" excuse
>>> and let him off the hook. End of story.
>>>
>>> But she didn't.
>>>
>>> Instead Saatchi suddenly drops the "playful" denial, admits assault
>>> (a prerequisite for accepting the assault caution).He explains this
>>> turnaround by foolishly announcing "the alternative was having this
>>> hanging over us for months".
>>>
>>> What do you think was going to be "hanging over them for months"?
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>
>> Talk of a separation or divorce?
>
> Nope, I hardly think accepting a police caution was going to alleviate
> separation, prevent divorce, or months of impending-doom stress. Try
> again.
>
> Janet
Then it clearly is something far, far worse...

In article >, says...
>
> On 6/21/2013 10:26 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >>>> But..... she did not lodge a complaint.
> >>>
> >>> I would have expected that if
> >>>> she felt threatened, if she felt she had been assaulted she would have
> >>>> made a complaint. Apparently, she did not.
> >>>
> >>> If she felt she hadn't been assaulted and found the behaviour
> >>> perfectly acceptable and harmless then nothing would be easier than to
> >>> release a statement through her lawyer backing up his "playful"" excuse
> >>> and let him off the hook. End of story.
> >>>
> >>> But she didn't.
> >>>
> >>> Instead Saatchi suddenly drops the "playful" denial, admits assault
> >>> (a prerequisite for accepting the assault caution).He explains this
> >>> turnaround by foolishly announcing "the alternative was having this
> >>> hanging over us for months".
> >>>
> >>> What do you think was going to be "hanging over them for months"?
> >>>
> >>> Janet UK
> >>>
> >>
> >> Talk of a separation or divorce?
> >
> > Nope, I hardly think accepting a police caution was going to alleviate
> > separation, prevent divorce, or months of impending-doom stress. Try
> > again.
> >
> > Janet
> Then it clearly is something far, far worse...

Like, waiting for criminal charges to come to court.

Janet

On 21/06/2013 11:39 AM, George Leppla wrote:

>> Frankly, I was surprised at the reaction. As I initially indicated, they
>> were tabloid photos, which should always be treated with some degree of
>> suspicion. I have since acknowledged that it did turn out to be a case
>> of abuse, and that a UK caution is not just a verbal warning as it is
>> here. Yet, there are a couple people here who are ranting on and on
>> about it and my initial suspicions and suggestions that I am an abuser.
>> Frankly, that is abusive and bullying behaviour, but hypocrisy is quite
>> common in the PC crowd.
>>
>
>
> So you see a picture of a man's hand around a woman's throat and say
> that might not be abuse.....

Yes. You idiot. I explained that it was a tabloid photo and that they
are always suspect. There could have been legitimate reasons for him to
have had his hand on her neck. I acknowledged that it was in fact an
incident of abuse.

>
> .... but when someone calls you on it, you say THAT is abusive.
>
> Uh huh.
>
> I don't think that is true because you haven't filed a complaint.
>


I quite clearly said that your inappropriate suggestions are a form of
bullying. Are you dense enough to think I was not clearly stating that?
Funny how that works, eh. Some people are blind to their own bullying
behaviour while quick to whine about abuse themselves.

On 21/06/2013 12:13 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> .... but when someone calls you on it, you say THAT is abusive.
>>
>> Uh huh.
>>
>> I don't think that is true because you haven't filed a complaint.
>
> LOL. Anyway, I can tell from Dave's expression that he's not even
> upset.
>
>

Yep. So there will be no "formal" complaint.

On 21/06/2013 12:25 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote in
> :
>
>>> It's an apprenticeship that leads eventually to a ranking of
>>> MaŒtre poutinier and above MaŒtre poutinier ‚m‚rite.
>>
>> And one needs that to deep fry potatoes, make gravy and buy
>> curds?
>
> You make it sound like being a poutinier is a base occupation when
> in reality it is a high calling (eille cline!) :-)
>
> Philistine! :-|
>


I can't be too cautious. There are places in the world where mastering
the deep frying of potatoes, throwing some cheese curds on it and
smothering it in gravy would be considered haute cuisine. In other most
other places the same tasks are performed by teenagers working for
minimum wage. I can appreciate this. I live in a country where the
government as financed art coops where uneducated unemployed adults
create "primitive art" and try to sell it for big bucks. I have been in
national galleries and seen works of art done by adults with coloured
pencils that have the same artistic elegance as a Gr. 2 art class.

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

> I have been in
> national galleries and seen works of art done by adults with
> coloured pencils that have the same artistic elegance as a Gr.
> 2 art class.

And what exactly has your inability to appreciate non-
representative art to do with an elegantly prepared poutine?

--

Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.

-- Barbara Tober

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:17:07 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>
> I can't be too cautious. There are places in the world where mastering
> the deep frying of potatoes, throwing some cheese curds on it and
> smothering it in gravy would be considered haute cuisine. In other most
> other places the same tasks are performed by teenagers working for
> minimum wage. I can appreciate this. I live in a country where the
> government as financed art coops where uneducated unemployed adults
> create "primitive art" and try to sell it for big bucks. I have been in
> national galleries and seen works of art done by adults with coloured
> pencils that have the same artistic elegance as a Gr. 2 art class.

At least you can still say they are "art". What dumbfounds me are
those things called "abstract expressionism".

--
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On 21/06/2013 3:27 PM, sf wrote:

>> I can't be too cautious. There are places in the world where mastering
>> the deep frying of potatoes, throwing some cheese curds on it and
>> smothering it in gravy would be considered haute cuisine. In other most
>> other places the same tasks are performed by teenagers working for
>> minimum wage. I can appreciate this. I live in a country where the
>> government as financed art coops where uneducated unemployed adults
>> create "primitive art" and try to sell it for big bucks. I have been in
>> national galleries and seen works of art done by adults with coloured
>> pencils that have the same artistic elegance as a Gr. 2 art class.
>
> At least you can still say they are "art". What dumbfounds me are
> those things called "abstract expressionism".

I studied art in high school. I learned about the old masters,
impressionism, cubism and stuff, but I confess to being stumped my
abstract art. Anyone who is a native from the north can pick up some
some stone and file it into a crude figure and flog it as native art.
Quite seriously, I was in a major gallery and saw a coloured pencil
drawing with human and animal representations that were not much more
than stick figures. I always thought of primitive art as being artifacts
from ancient times, or pre Columbian, not just the scrawling of the
uneducated.

On 6/21/2013 11:41 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On 6/21/2013 10:26 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>> But..... she did not lodge a complaint.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have expected that if
>>>>>> she felt threatened, if she felt she had been assaulted she would have
>>>>>> made a complaint. Apparently, she did not.
>>>>>
>>>>> If she felt she hadn't been assaulted and found the behaviour
>>>>> perfectly acceptable and harmless then nothing would be easier than to
>>>>> release a statement through her lawyer backing up his "playful"" excuse
>>>>> and let him off the hook. End of story.
>>>>>
>>>>> But she didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead Saatchi suddenly drops the "playful" denial, admits assault
>>>>> (a prerequisite for accepting the assault caution).He explains this
>>>>> turnaround by foolishly announcing "the alternative was having this
>>>>> hanging over us for months".
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think was going to be "hanging over them for months"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Talk of a separation or divorce?
>>>
>>> Nope, I hardly think accepting a police caution was going to alleviate
>>> separation, prevent divorce, or months of impending-doom stress. Try
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Janet
>> Then it clearly is something far, far worse...
>
> Like, waiting for criminal charges to come to court.
>
> Janet

Pressed by whom?

On 21/06/2013 3:14 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote in
> :
>
>> I have been in
>> national galleries and seen works of art done by adults with
>> coloured pencils that have the same artistic elegance as a Gr.
>> 2 art class.
>
> And what exactly has your inability to appreciate non-
> representative art to do with an elegantly prepared poutine?
>


We are going to have to chalk it up to my ignorance because I have only
been exposed to poutine in the form of french fries with gravy and
curds, though I have heard of more exulted versions of it using duck,
pate foie gras, even lobster. More exotic variations of the greasy
original are still just that, but I did concede that there might be
cultures where that might be considered haute cuisine.