"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:19:19 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> Her people came to America early on and
>> > planted roots that ran deep and they helped build this country. We have
>> > a
>> > bill of sale for a bitch and child that one of her grandfathers from
>> > the
>> > mid-1800s purchased when humans could be bought and sold. Her family
>> > came
>> > to raise hell in the new country and they've been raising hell every
>> > since.
>>
>> So, does she raise hell? btw how sad and dehumanising to call a woman
>> a
>> 'bitch' It is good those days are past when the selling of human
>> beings
>> was acceptable.
>
> In those days, slaves where not treated as human beings. They were
> chattel and that one was obviously used as a breeder.

Yes I suspect many nations were involved not least England.
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In article >,
says...
>
> What baffles me is why any Scot would *want* independence, considering
> Scotland's political power in the UK.

You may have overestimated Scotland's political power in the UK.

Janet, Scotland.

On 6/23/2013 12:05 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 11:38:56 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> I look at it as an expat in new Scotland and with regard to the vote
>>> when it comes, the heart says yes, commonsense says no.
>>>
>>> Been through this with the Quebec referendum several years ago (or as
>>> some of us called it, the Neverendum) and it strikes me as a very
>>> difficult thing to do. How everything would divide, such as share of
>>> National Debt, resources, currency ad infinitum.
>>>
>>
>> Rene Levesque was a charismatic knothead, imo.
>
> Lol yes, I loathed that 'comb over' hair !
>

If you don't mind a pun, the partis' is clearly on the lower left...

http://www.evidentia.net/wp-content/...e-levesque.jpg

On 6/23/2013 12:30 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:19:19 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Her people came to America early on and
>>> > planted roots that ran deep and they helped build this country. We
>>> have > a
>>> > bill of sale for a bitch and child that one of her grandfathers
>>> from > the
>>> > mid-1800s purchased when humans could be bought and sold. Her
>>> family > came
>>> > to raise hell in the new country and they've been raising hell every
>>> > since.
>>>
>>> So, does she raise hell? btw how sad and dehumanising to call a
>>> woman a
>>> 'bitch' It is good those days are past when the selling of human
>>> beings
>>> was acceptable.
>>
>> In those days, slaves where not treated as human beings. They were
>> chattel and that one was obviously used as a breeder.
>
> Yes I suspect many nations were involved not least England.

But you will admit Cromwell did sell many Scots into slavery in the
colonies.

On Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:24:59 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> Call it a rant if you wish, I was asked my opinion and I gave it. We have
>
> lived in Scotland for many years and my work during that time was as a
>
> Curator of Social History in the Scottish Museum Service, so I don't need
>
> you to tell me about the history of this country. Of course it is a
>
> beautiful country with a fascinating history, much (though far from all) of
>
> which Scots can be proud, however, none of that has any relevance to the
>
> current discussion!
>
>
>
> Scotland has not been 'exploited by Westminster, in fact it has been
>
> supported and subsidised by the rest of the UK. The exploration and eventual
>
> tapping of the oil fields was done under the centralised government and
>
> funding while Scotland has been part of the UK. It has never been
>
> 'independent' during that time and all income, taxation, etc. went to the
>
> treasury and payments for all resources throughout the UK, including
>
> Scotland, for defence, administration, and all other centralised services
>
> were paid from the treasury. The devolved Scottish parliament was not
>
> established until 1998 and did not first meet until 12 May 1999 whereas the
>
> modern period of oil and gas exploration and extraction began in the late
>
> 1960s. As a unified nation under central government with no independent
>
> Scottish administration at the time, or now (fully) for that matter, natural
>
> resources extracted in that time can in no way be considered as belonging
>
> to, or therefore stolen from, any one part of the UK. The UK does not have
>
> the same political structure as the USA with independent 'states' and a
>
> 'federal' government, it is, still a UNITED kingdom, until recently with no
>
> separated governance in the major parts.
>
>
>
> I am fully aware of the alternative views but they are mainly based on
>
> romanticism, ill-informed prejudice and the largely disproven wishful
>
> thinking of self-serving power-hungry politicians, all of which are just as
>
> misplaced as your own ignorant utterances.
>
>
>
>
>
> May I ask how long you have lived here? I take instruction only from
>
> resident Scots who actually know what they are talking about e.g. Shelia
>
> Viemeister in this group!
>
I lived in Edinburgh in the late 1970s.

Regarding Scotland being subsidized before oil was discovered, this is true.. However, the reason for this necessity was because there was almost no investment in the country during this period. At the same time there was a major investment in south east England. It was also during this time that people with regional accents (especially strong ones like Scotland) were ridiculed. In this atmosphere it was almost impossible to attract investment to Scotland. This is one reason why so many Scots left the country.

I am not familiar with today's NSP. Back in the 1970s the quality of their policies was poor, and without any Scottish legislature they were really a fringe group. I am not familiar with their policies or quality today.

I have been out of UK politics for many years. However, I do think it would be very unfortunate if Scotland became completely independent. However, the UK is so split today, (London and the south east is almost a separate country), that there is no longer danger of the country being split into very different factions. It has already happened.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On 6/23/2013 2:32 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:43:41 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/2013 12:05 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 11:38:56 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> I look at it as an expat in new Scotland and with regard to the vote
>>>>> when it comes, the heart says yes, commonsense says no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Been through this with the Quebec referendum several years ago (or as
>>>>> some of us called it, the Neverendum) and it strikes me as a very
>>>>> difficult thing to do. How everything would divide, such as share of
>>>>> National Debt, resources, currency ad infinitum.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rene Levesque was a charismatic knothead, imo.
>>>
>>> Lol yes, I loathed that 'comb over' hair !
>>>
>>
>> If you don't mind a pun, the partis' is clearly on the lower left...
>>
>> http://www.evidentia.net/wp-content/...e-levesque.jpg
>
> Good one !
>

Tnx.

Speaking of things uniquely Canadian, and a measure more ubiquitous than
Rene's movement, who's had the pleasure of eating the North-land's
superior answer to our own rather plebeian snack, Cheetos?

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6229/6...36f152c8_z.jpg

....naturally labeled in French and English...

So much more flavor and excellent crunch to boot.

On 2013-06-23, Ophelia > wrote:

> thinking of self-serving power-hungry politicians, all of which are just as
> misplaced as your own ignorant utterances.

Sic 'em, Ophy!!!

British colonialism may be dead in India and America, but those closer
to home base are not so fortunate. I know the Irish situation is a
nightmare, but was not so aware of the Scotish situation. I'm not one
bit surprised it's not the civilized raised-pinky tea time the Brits
would have us believe.

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-06-23, Ophelia > wrote:
>
>> thinking of self-serving power-hungry politicians, all of which are just
>> as
>> misplaced as your own ignorant utterances.
>
> Sic 'em, Ophy!!!
>
> British colonialism may be dead in India and America, but those closer
> to home base are not so fortunate. I know the Irish situation is a
> nightmare, but was not so aware of the Scotish situation. I'm not one
> bit surprised it's not the civilized raised-pinky tea time the Brits
> would have us believe.

^5 och nooooo ah kin huv iron bru though ...

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In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 09:45:38 -0700, Cindy Fuller
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > The most egregious affront to
> > > Southern-ness was the tutti-frutti iced tea that most restaurants in
> > > Seattle are hell-bent on serving.
> >
> > What's tutti-frutti iced tea? Google didn't seem to know.
>
> I suspect it's a reference to the peach, raspberry,
> kiwi-kumquat-whatever flavored iced teas that have become far too common
> in many places leaving no normal unsweetened, unflavored iced tea on the
> menu.

Exactly, although I think this was passionfruit. And it happened to me
again yesterday. After watching Fremont's Solstice Parade, we ducked
into a coffee shop on the way to see the art cars. I got served the same
ghastly stuff.

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>> Please define 'rednecks'?
>>
>> I only know of them from TV because we don't have them here. I get them
>> impression that they are backwards on some level.
>
> What? All of them???? Surely not!

As I said... We don't have them here. I only know from what I have seen on
TV and most likely they pick the most bizarre people to show.

On 23/06/2013 5:16 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-06-23, Ophelia > wrote:
>
>> thinking of self-serving power-hungry politicians, all of which are just as
>> misplaced as your own ignorant utterances.
>
> Sic 'em, Ophy!!!
>
> British colonialism may be dead in India and America, but those closer
> to home base are not so fortunate. I know the Irish situation is a
> nightmare, but was not so aware of the Scotish situation. I'm not one
> bit surprised it's not the civilized raised-pinky tea time the Brits
> would have us believe.
>
Just look around the world and see the countries that have been the most
successful..... the US, Canada, Australia, the better of the African and
Asian countries.

On 23/06/2013 7:18 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:50:21 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>>>
>> Just look around the world and see the countries that have been the most
>> successful..... the US, Canada, Australia, the better of the African and
>> Asian countries.
>
> The British Empire was certainly not all bad, better to have had that
> than some of the Portuguese/Spanish RC priestly invasions raping a
> country's wealth and keeping the natives poor, uneducated and
> pregnant.
>


The same can be said for most of the empires that have come and gone.
The Romans had their pros and cons, but they did bring laws, education
and an infrastructure.

"Cindy Fuller" > wrote in message
...
> Exactly, although I think this was passionfruit. And it happened to me
> again yesterday. After watching Fremont's Solstice Parade, we ducked
> into a coffee shop on the way to see the art cars. I got served the same
> ghastly stuff.

Yes. It's everywhere but... After seeing mold growing in the tea dispenser
where I used to work, I will no longer get iced tea in a restaurant.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 04:41:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/22/2013 12:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> I got to thinking about this later. It is pretty much the same in UK.
>>>> Many Scots hate the English. Most will not show it, but if you hear
>>>> those when there are no English around ... otoh most English love the
>>>> Scots. Work that one out
>>>>
>>>> We get to see that in action. Himself is Scots born, while I am of
>>>> Scottish extraction so we are treated as Scots with friends and
>>>> neighbours, even though we have English accents. We get the other side
>>>> of it when away from them ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ethnic identity is a funny thing. I always thought my wife's family was
>>> all Irish but she later tells me that she had some Scottish blood flowing
>>> through her. It doesn't change anything about a person but I look at her
>>> at a slightly different angle now.
>>
>> Do you really??? How interesting) You need to be careful, she might
>> don a kilt and start doing a Highland Fling around her kitchen and start
>> cooking haggis for your dinner)))) If I were you I would keep a sgian
>> dubh handy, just in case <g>
>>
>>> In the end, it doesn't matter.
>>
>> No it doesn't. What matters (to me anyway) is not if they have Martian
>> blood but the kindness a person has in their heart.
>>
>> Her people came to America early on and
>>> planted roots that ran deep and they helped build this country. We have a
>>> bill of sale for a bitch and child that one of her grandfathers from the
>>> mid-1800s purchased when humans could be bought and sold. Her family came
>>> to raise hell in the new country and they've been raising hell every
>>> since.
>>
>> So, does she raise hell? btw how sad and dehumanising to call a woman
>> a 'bitch' It is good those days are past when the selling of human
>> beings was acceptable.
>>
>>> https://yesteryearsnews.wordpress.co...a-desperadoes/
>>
>> Fascinating stuff!!! I've saved it to read properly later, thanks
>
>My dad always said that we Heinz 57. We are a mix of all sorts of things
>but we could only track my mom's family back so far. We assume that they
>came from Ireland because of the name McElhiney. And she said it was said
>of some of her older relatives that they were black Irish. Many of the
>older relatives had black hair and dark eyes. But there is also Cherokee
>Indian on that side of the family.

What outsiders call Black Irish (a term more commonly used outside
Ireland) most often do not have dark eyes (or skin), they have the
very dark hair, blue or green eyes and fair skin.

JB
<snip>

> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 11:22:29 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:03:01 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person
> wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, June 22, 2013 11:46:57 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The fact is Scottish independence isn't going to happen this time or
>>> > in the
>>> >
>>> > near future and the SNP might well lose their majority in the next
>>> >
>>> > elections.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Well, you did ask
>>>
>>> What a wonderful one sided rant. From your information it appears that
>>> the Scots should be grateful to the English for looking after them.
>>>
>>> Scotland is a beautiful country with a rich history. Its independence,
>>> although fragmented, until unification went back much further than the
>>> English.
>>>
>>> Regarding fiscal independence it is far from clear whether Scotland will
>>> thrive without being anchored to the UK. Many studies have been done
>>> with varied viewpoints. What is clear is that Scotland has been
>>> exploited for many years by Westminster. Before oil was discovered in
>>> the North Sea their was almost no investment in Scotland and the
>>> transportation system to the outer reaches was decimated. There is also
>>> a good argument that the oil was stolen from Scotland for the support of
>>> the rest of the UK. If the model used in Alaska (where the state has
>>> control and income from the oil) had been used in Scotland we would be
>>> arguing that Scotland couldn't leave because of all the wealth they
>>> would be taking with them.
>>>
>>> One should always examine both views, not just be guided by ones own
>>> blind prejudice. You say you live in Scotland. Please read some of the
>>> history and get a more balanced view of your country.
>>>
>>
>>What baffles me is why any Scot would *want* independence, considering
>>Scotland's political power in the UK.
>
> Scotland has less power over itself than a Canadian does within
> Canadian federation. A few concessions have been granted but not big
> power.

They have equal votes in parliament and can vote on matters which do not
even concern Scotland but impact on England. And they do!

and now, I am out of this discussion!

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On 23/06/2013 11:04 PM, John J wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:18:27 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:50:21 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>> Just look around the world and see the countries that have been the most
>>> successful..... the US, Canada, Australia, the better of the African and
>>> Asian countries.
>>
>> The British Empire was certainly not all bad, better to have had that
>> than some of the Portuguese/Spanish RC priestly invasions raping a
>> country's wealth and keeping the natives poor, uneducated and
>> pregnant.
>
> Amazing how things have changed. Now the UK's a colony of the US
>


Oh?

In article >,
says...
>
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:43:08 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> Scotland has less power over itself than a Canadian does within
> >> Canadian federation. A few concessions have been granted but not big
> >> power.
> >
> >They have equal votes in parliament

Equal to what?

Scotland 's population is less than one tenth of the UK population.

Scotland has 59 seats out of 650 in the House of Commons,
Westminster.

Of those 59 Scottish MP's, one is Conservative and 11 are Libdems.

Britain's Govt in Westminster is a Conservative/libDem coalition.
Unsurprisingly, Govt is far more interested in the serving the needs
and votes of South East England, than Scotland (or, other regions of the
UK).

Janet uk

On 6/24/2013 4:15 AM, wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:04:44 +1000, John J > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:18:27 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:50:21 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Just look around the world and see the countries that have been the most
>>>> successful..... the US, Canada, Australia, the better of the African and
>>>> Asian countries.
>>>
>>> The British Empire was certainly not all bad, better to have had that
>>> than some of the Portuguese/Spanish RC priestly invasions raping a
>>> country's wealth and keeping the natives poor, uneducated and
>>> pregnant.
>>
>> Amazing how things have changed. Now the UK's a colony of the US
>
>
> I recall how scathing the US was after WWII about the British Empire
> falling and the English not having the wit to realise it, so now the
> US needs to look in the mirror ! May I say China ?
>
Didn't they go on a buying binge on Canada recently?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...ooc-nexen.html

China's Nexen buy is Canada's elephant in the oil patch

On 6/24/2013 2:00 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:32:30 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>
>> On 6/24/2013 4:15 AM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:04:44 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:18:27 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:50:21 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just look around the world and see the countries that have been the most
>>>>>> successful..... the US, Canada, Australia, the better of the African and
>>>>>> Asian countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> The British Empire was certainly not all bad, better to have had that
>>>>> than some of the Portuguese/Spanish RC priestly invasions raping a
>>>>> country's wealth and keeping the natives poor, uneducated and
>>>>> pregnant.
>>>>
>>>> Amazing how things have changed. Now the UK's a colony of the US
>>>
>>>
>>> I recall how scathing the US was after WWII about the British Empire
>>> falling and the English not having the wit to realise it, so now the
>>> US needs to look in the mirror ! May I say China ?
>>>
>> Didn't they go on a buying binge on Canada recently?
>>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...ooc-nexen.html
>>
>> China's Nexen buy is Canada's elephant in the oil patch
>
> We have a conservative PM from Alberta - he believes the Tar Sands are
> clean.
>
He's never flown over ft. McMurray?

http://o.canada.com/2013/05/10/timel...gle-timelapse/

"JBurns" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 04:41:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/22/2013 12:45 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> I got to thinking about this later. It is pretty much the same in UK.
>>>>> Many Scots hate the English. Most will not show it, but if you hear
>>>>> those when there are no English around ... otoh most English love the
>>>>> Scots. Work that one out
>>>>>
>>>>> We get to see that in action. Himself is Scots born, while I am of
>>>>> Scottish extraction so we are treated as Scots with friends and
>>>>> neighbours, even though we have English accents. We get the other
>>>>> side
>>>>> of it when away from them ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ethnic identity is a funny thing. I always thought my wife's family was
>>>> all Irish but she later tells me that she had some Scottish blood
>>>> flowing
>>>> through her. It doesn't change anything about a person but I look at
>>>> her
>>>> at a slightly different angle now.
>>>
>>> Do you really??? How interesting) You need to be careful, she might
>>> don a kilt and start doing a Highland Fling around her kitchen and start
>>> cooking haggis for your dinner)))) If I were you I would keep a
>>> sgian
>>> dubh handy, just in case <g>
>>>
>>>> In the end, it doesn't matter.
>>>
>>> No it doesn't. What matters (to me anyway) is not if they have Martian
>>> blood but the kindness a person has in their heart.
>>>
>>> Her people came to America early on and
>>>> planted roots that ran deep and they helped build this country. We have
>>>> a
>>>> bill of sale for a bitch and child that one of her grandfathers from
>>>> the
>>>> mid-1800s purchased when humans could be bought and sold. Her family
>>>> came
>>>> to raise hell in the new country and they've been raising hell every
>>>> since.
>>>
>>> So, does she raise hell? btw how sad and dehumanising to call a
>>> woman
>>> a 'bitch' It is good those days are past when the selling of human
>>> beings was acceptable.
>>>
>>>> https://yesteryearsnews.wordpress.co...a-desperadoes/
>>>
>>> Fascinating stuff!!! I've saved it to read properly later, thanks
>>
>>My dad always said that we Heinz 57. We are a mix of all sorts of things
>>but we could only track my mom's family back so far. We assume that they
>>came from Ireland because of the name McElhiney. And she said it was said
>>of some of her older relatives that they were black Irish. Many of the
>>older relatives had black hair and dark eyes. But there is also Cherokee
>>Indian on that side of the family.
>
> What outsiders call Black Irish (a term more commonly used outside
> Ireland) most often do not have dark eyes (or skin), they have the
> very dark hair, blue or green eyes and fair skin.

Interesting! We do for the most part have fair skin but there are some with
black hair. They all have brown eyes though. I think my grandpa might have
had blue eyes but can't remember now. We moved away when I was 7 and he
died not long after. And all of the pics I have from those days are black
and white.

On Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:11:12 AM UTC-4, Pete C. wrote:
> > In this country it seems to go beyond North and South. I think people are
>
> > the most tolerant here in the PNW. Perhaps this is because the people who
>
> > settled this area were rebels!
>
>
>
> It's not really north vs. south anymore, it's much more left/right
>
> coasts vs. middle.


Wait til a Texan says to your face "I hate Yankees". I chose to say nothing, figuring 1865 and Appomattox Courthouse was sufficient. I guess it's tough to feel like you were on the losing side, be it 150 years later. Lord, I hope another 150 years will terminate this North-South stuff.

On 24/06/2013 8:49 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> On Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:11:12 AM UTC-4, Pete C. wrote:
>>> In this country it seems to go beyond North and South. I think people are
>>
>>> the most tolerant here in the PNW. Perhaps this is because the people who
>>
>>> settled this area were rebels!
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not really north vs. south anymore, it's much more left/right
>>
>> coasts vs. middle.
>
>
> Wait til a Texan says to your face "I hate Yankees". I chose to say nothing, figuring 1865 and Appomattox Courthouse was sufficient. I guess it's tough to feel like you were on the losing side, be it 150 years later. Lord, I hope another 150 years will terminate this North-South stuff.
>


My great great great <?> uncle was at Appomattox, on the losing side. He
was Lee's Provost General. He was born in Canada and lived in NYC, but
when the war broke out he fought for the South.

On Monday, June 24, 2013 2:26:27 PM UTC-6, casa bona wrote:
> On 6/24/2013 2:00 PM, wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:32:30 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> On 6/24/2013 4:15 AM, wrote:
>
> >>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:04:44 +1000, John J > wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:18:27 -0300, wrote:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:50:21 -0400, Dave Smith
>
> >>>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Just look around the world and see the countries that have been the most
>
> >>>>>> successful..... the US, Canada, Australia, the better of the African and
>
> >>>>>> Asian countries.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> The British Empire was certainly not all bad, better to have had that
>
> >>>>> than some of the Portuguese/Spanish RC priestly invasions raping a
>
> >>>>> country's wealth and keeping the natives poor, uneducated and
>
> >>>>> pregnant.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Amazing how things have changed. Now the UK's a colony of the US
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I recall how scathing the US was after WWII about the British Empire
>
> >>> falling and the English not having the wit to realise it, so now the
>
> >>> US needs to look in the mirror ! May I say China ?
>
> >>>
>
> >> Didn't they go on a buying binge on Canada recently?
>
> >>
>
> >> http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...ooc-nexen.html
>
> >>
>
> >> China's Nexen buy is Canada's elephant in the oil patch
>
> >
>
> > We have a conservative PM from Alberta - he believes the Tar Sands are
>
> > clean.
>
> >
>
> He's never flown over ft. McMurray?
>
>
>
> http://o.canada.com/2013/05/10/timel...gle-timelapse/

Its a wasteland...and there will be more of it as time goes on. How
else can one get the oil out of the sand but in most cases...mine it.

On 6/24/2013 3:38 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:26:27 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>> Didn't they go on a buying binge on Canada recently?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...ooc-nexen.html
>>>>
>>>> China's Nexen buy is Canada's elephant in the oil patch
>>>
>>> We have a conservative PM from Alberta - he believes the Tar Sands are
>>> clean.
>>>
>> He's never flown over ft. McMurray?
>>
>> http://o.canada.com/2013/05/10/timel...gle-timelapse/
>
> Heard the saying 'none so blind/deaf as those who don't wish to
> see/hear ' ?
>

Yes.

On 6/24/2013 7:29 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> My great great great <?> uncle was at Appomattox, on the losing side. He
> was Lee's Provost General. He was born in Canada and lived in NYC, but
> when the war broke out he fought for the South.

Name and pedigree?

On 6/24/2013 8:16 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Monday, June 24, 2013 2:26:27 PM UTC-6, casa bona wrote:
>> On 6/24/2013 2:00 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:32:30 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> On 6/24/2013 4:15 AM, wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:04:44 +1000, John J > wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:18:27 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:50:21 -0400, Dave Smith
>>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Just look around the world and see the countries that have been the most
>>
>>>>>>>> successful..... the US, Canada, Australia, the better of the African and
>>
>>>>>>>> Asian countries.
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> The British Empire was certainly not all bad, better to have had that
>>
>>>>>>> than some of the Portuguese/Spanish RC priestly invasions raping a
>>
>>>>>>> country's wealth and keeping the natives poor, uneducated and
>>
>>>>>>> pregnant.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Amazing how things have changed. Now the UK's a colony of the US
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I recall how scathing the US was after WWII about the British Empire
>>
>>>>> falling and the English not having the wit to realise it, so now the
>>
>>>>> US needs to look in the mirror ! May I say China ?
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>> Didn't they go on a buying binge on Canada recently?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...ooc-nexen.html
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> China's Nexen buy is Canada's elephant in the oil patch
>>
>>>
>>
>>> We have a conservative PM from Alberta - he believes the Tar Sands are
>>
>>> clean.
>>
>>>
>>
>> He's never flown over ft. McMurray?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://o.canada.com/2013/05/10/timel...gle-timelapse/
>
> Its a wasteland...and there will be more of it as time goes on. How
> else can one get the oil out of the sand but in most cases...mine it.
>

No argument there.

Mine it, boil it, ship it.

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:26:27 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>> Didn't they go on a buying binge on Canada recently?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...ooc-nexen.html
>>>>
>>>> China's Nexen buy is Canada's elephant in the oil patch
>>>
>>> We have a conservative PM from Alberta - he believes the Tar Sands are
>>> clean.
>>>
>>He's never flown over ft. McMurray?
>>
>>http://o.canada.com/2013/05/10/timel...gle-timelapse/
>
> Heard the saying 'none so blind/deaf as those who don't wish to
> see/hear ' ?
>
And there are none so thick who refuse to get the facts! Those open cast
mines are actually cleaning up the environment!!!!!
The ground up there is soaked with OIL that is constantly leaking into the
creeks and rivers. Sit on the muskeg up there and your arse will be black
with OIL.
Graham

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:16:18 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> > We have a conservative PM from Alberta - he believes the Tar Sands are
>>>
>>> > clean.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> He's never flown over ft. McMurray?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://o.canada.com/2013/05/10/timel...gle-timelapse/
>>
>>Its a wasteland...and there will be more of it as time goes on. How
>>else can one get the oil out of the sand but in most cases...mine it.
>
> There is also this 'fracking' to get gas out of rock seams. Nobody
> seems to be able to tell people who live in the areas where they want
> to do it what will eventually happen to things like their well water
> etc. No guarantees.
>
Most fracking is in rocks 1000s of feet down and way below the aquifers.
There's so much false information and anecdotes with no basis in fact,
mainly from environuts.
Graham

On 6/25/2013 4:28 AM, wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:16:18 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>> We have a conservative PM from Alberta - he believes the Tar Sands are
>>>
>>>> clean.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> He's never flown over ft. McMurray?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://o.canada.com/2013/05/10/timel...gle-timelapse/
>>
>> Its a wasteland...and there will be more of it as time goes on. How
>> else can one get the oil out of the sand but in most cases...mine it.
>
> There is also this 'fracking' to get gas out of rock seams. Nobody
> seems to be able to tell people who live in the areas where they want
> to do it what will eventually happen to things like their well water
> etc. No guarantees.
>

If the shale bed is a confined strata there is no possible contamination
given the well-piping is cased.

On 6/25/2013 8:06 AM, graham wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:16:18 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> We have a conservative PM from Alberta - he believes the Tar Sands are
>>>>
>>>>> clean.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He's never flown over ft. McMurray?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://o.canada.com/2013/05/10/timel...gle-timelapse/
>>>
>>> Its a wasteland...and there will be more of it as time goes on. How
>>> else can one get the oil out of the sand but in most cases...mine it.
>>
>> There is also this 'fracking' to get gas out of rock seams. Nobody
>> seems to be able to tell people who live in the areas where they want
>> to do it what will eventually happen to things like their well water
>> etc. No guarantees.
>>
> Most fracking is in rocks 1000s of feet down and way below the aquifers.
> There's so much false information and anecdotes with no basis in fact,
> mainly from environuts.
> Graham
>
>

Shale beds tend to be similar to confined acquifers - deep, and not
upwardly permeable.

On 6/25/2013 10:50 AM, wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:06:18 -0600, "graham" > wrote:
>
>
>>>
>> Most fracking is in rocks 1000s of feet down and way below the aquifers.
>> There's so much false information and anecdotes with no basis in fact,
>> mainly from environuts.
>> Graham
>>
> I am far from an environut but I wish they would not rush head long
> into fracking, only to discover a few years down the road, oops.
>

As long as it's deep and in a confined stratum there should be no issues.

> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:06:18 -0600, "graham" > wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>Most fracking is in rocks 1000s of feet down and way below the aquifers.
>>There's so much false information and anecdotes with no basis in fact,
>>mainly from environuts.
>>Graham
>>
> I am far from an environut but I wish they would not rush head long
> into fracking, only to discover a few years down the road, oops.

You should listen to Graham. He is an expert in these matters .. yes
really!!!

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Yes...the history channel did a special on Blair Mountain, the miners, and the red neckerchiefs a few years ago. It was really interesting if you are into American history.

N.

On 26/06/2013 1:04 AM, John J wrote:
Amazing how things have changed. Now the UK's a colony of the US
>>
>> If obeisance to the US is the measure, that would seem to be true. I was
>> deeply disappointed that they followed us into Iraq, a willful act of
>> murderous exploitation that destroyed millions of innocent lives. But follow
>> they did. We should all be ashamed.
>
> They seem to think that being an ally means you have to follow
> blindly, without using your own judgment.
>


As George the Lesser said ... you're either with us or you're with the
terrorists.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 10:26:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

> Meant to ask; with such a history, why are current day 'rednecks' so
> maligned?

It is a name used in modern times to call someone an
ultra-conservative bigot.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

But a sunburned neck is precisely not the origin of the term, in the U.S. I would say it's misuse today is a product of ignorance and laziness...it's a handy term meant to be one of dismissal.

N.

Ophelia wrote:
>
Please define 'rednecks'?

In one word, incest.

On 6/23/2013 4:39 PM, casa bona wrote:
> On 6/23/2013 2:32 PM, wrote:

>
> So much more flavor and excellent crunch to boot.

I grew up in the town that made those Canadian Cheezies

On 6/27/2013 7:06 PM, Hench wrote:
> On 6/23/2013 4:39 PM, casa bona wrote:
>> On 6/23/2013 2:32 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> So much more flavor and excellent crunch to boot.
>
> I grew up in the town that made those Canadian Cheezies

No kidding!

They're one heck of a good product, as snack foods go.

On 6/27/2013 9:45 PM, casa bona wrote:
> On 6/27/2013 7:06 PM, Hench wrote:
>> On 6/23/2013 4:39 PM, casa bona wrote:
>>> On 6/23/2013 2:32 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So much more flavor and excellent crunch to boot.
>>
>> I grew up in the town that made those Canadian Cheezies
>
> No kidding!
>
> They're one heck of a good product, as snack foods go.


The founding owner died about 2 years ago. He was pretty well respected
by his employees i recall. It's been 15 years since I've lived in that
town but that's what I remember.

I believe the founders were American but they decided to move to Canada
and they picked the leading cheddar cheese producing region in all of
Canada to make their cheddar cheezies. Their factory burned down the
first year of operation, but they rebuilt.

Thanks for bringing up this company because it reminds me of all the
cheese and butter factories I lived near and those cheezies were
actually a source of pride.