On 7/5/2013 5:41 PM, MaryL wrote:
>
>
>> "Nancy Young" wrote

>> on how it was presented to me. If the manager came over and said
>> Look, we're in a bind here, could you do us a favor ... I'd probably
>> just move without a fuss, though I would expect some kind of comp.
>
>> Of course, I much prefer to eat at the bar anyway, but that isn't the
>> point. I'd help them out if it was requested nicely.

> Yes, I agree. There are times when I would want to be accommodating if
> it were a polite request and the circumstances seemed to warrant it
> (although I actually never eat in bars). However, the situation
> described in the article would not fit those criteria. Here is part of
> what the article said (and I will assume it is accurate--that is not
> always true):
>
> "Imagine booking a table at a relatively nice restaurant looking to
> enjoy a moment with your friends and family. All goes well and you are
> about to bite into the main course when the staff informs your group
> they will have to move to the bar right away."

You're right, put that way, I would not have taken it very kindly.
And if I was with several people, the bar is not convenient.

> "This actually happened this weekend in a small but popular restaurant
> Loftid in Austurstraeti in Reykjavik. They requested most of their
> guests

Most of their guests, wow. Not just one table.

> move without warning because a €žfamous€œ person was coming to
> dine. The famous person in question was Gordon Ramsey, a famed tv cook,
> and his group of friends in Iceland for some fishing."

It's just silly. Alienate the people who would be your usual customers
to accommodate someone like that is stupid. I'd leave for sure.

nancy

On 7/5/2013 5:16 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 05/07/2013 4:24 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> On the face of it (and not having read the whole story), I would be
>> inclined to walk out the door. Then I thought that it would depend
>> on how it was presented to me. If the manager came over and said
>> Look, we're in a bind here, could you do us a favor ... I'd probably
>> just move without a fuss, though I would expect some kind of comp.
>
>
> Would that apply if there was only one table in the restaurant, two, ...
> or 50? Why would any diner(s) be selected to vacate the table they were
> seated at to accommodate someone who came in later?

Just in general, I was saying that if I was asked nicely as a favor,
I'd probably go along assuming there was somewhere else to sit that
was okay with me.

When presented with a story like this, I wonder what I would have
done and was just commenting that I'd probably move without taking it
personally depending how it was handled.

I'm not making any judgement about what anyone else should do, and of
course, the circumstances of the restaurant and other dining options
would have an affect of my reaction.

If my food's in front of me already, I'm not going anywhere. I
might slide over to fit someone in at the bar but I'm not picking
up my plates and leaving!

> Comp my meal and I will hurry up and finish so they can have my table
> when I leave.

Legitimate.

> I have not been to Iceland but I have been to several Scandinavian
> countries and I distinctly remember that restaurants are very expensive
> and outside of major towns there are not a lot of options for dining
> options. On one occasion in Denmark we were running way ahead of
> schedule and were way too early for a dinner party. We wanted to stop
> for a coffee but there just weren't any coffee shops or small
> restaurants. In larger centres in tourist season restaurants are
> usually fully booked. Being bounced out of a restaurant where you had
> a reservation could mean no dinner than night.

Of course. Those would be considerations. I would also consider
what would happen to my food in the kitchen if I stood my ground, but
that's just me. Heh.

>> Of course, I much prefer to eat at the bar anyway, but that isn't the
>> point. I'd help them out if it was requested nicely.
>
> As I suggested.... give you a chance to finish your food and comp your
> meal and leave quickly. Give up my table.... even to move my table in
> the midst of a meal???? No way.

No, I'm not moving my food, it's too late, celebrity, you can just
wait.

>> I would not assume that GR/whoever knew what had happened.

> it would be difficult to show up at a small restaurant that is full and
> not to see that people are being booted out of their tables to make room
> for you.

I don't know if he'd called ahead or what, or if he could see in from
where he was and it was a Wait here, please type of thing.

nancy

On 05/07/2013 6:58 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> On the face of it (and not having read the whole story), I would be
>>> inclined to walk out the door. Then I thought that it would depend
>>> on how it was presented to me. If the manager came over and said
>>> Look, we're in a bind here, could you do us a favor ... I'd probably
>>> just move without a fuss, though I would expect some kind of comp.
>>
>>
>> Would that apply if there was only one table in the restaurant, two, ...
>> or 50? Why would any diner(s) be selected to vacate the table they were
>> seated at to accommodate someone who came in later?
>
> Just in general, I was saying that if I was asked nicely as a favor,
> I'd probably go along assuming there was somewhere else to sit that
> was okay with me.
>
> When presented with a story like this, I wonder what I would have
> done and was just commenting that I'd probably move without taking it
> personally depending how it was handled.



If it were me.... I was at a table... that I had reserved.... another
party shows up... without reservations.... there is room at the bar.....
set the new arrivals at the bar. If you want my table, cgive me a few
minutes to finish and comp my meal.


>> I have not been to Iceland but I have been to several Scandinavian
>> countries and I distinctly remember that restaurants are very expensive
>> and outside of major towns there are not a lot of options for dining
>> options. On one occasion in Denmark we were running way ahead of
>> schedule and were way too early for a dinner party. We wanted to stop
>> for a coffee but there just weren't any coffee shops or small
>> restaurants. In larger centres in tourist season restaurants are
>> usually fully booked. Being bounced out of a restaurant where you had
>> a reservation could mean no dinner than night.
>
> Of course. Those would be considerations. I would also consider
> what would happen to my food in the kitchen if I stood my ground, but
> that's just me. Heh.
Inspect it carefully.

On 7/5/2013 7:05 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 05/07/2013 6:58 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> Just in general, I was saying that if I was asked nicely as a favor,
>> I'd probably go along assuming there was somewhere else to sit that
>> was okay with me.
>>
>> When presented with a story like this, I wonder what I would have
>> done and was just commenting that I'd probably move without taking it
>> personally depending how it was handled.

> If it were me.... I was at a table... that I had reserved.... another
> party shows up... without reservations.... there is room at the bar.....
> set the new arrivals at the bar. If you want my table, cgive me a few
> minutes to finish and comp my meal.

Nothing wrong with that, and I've seen my share of jerks who linger
over empty glasses forever all the while you see people are waiting
to sit down, so I think it's nice that you'd finish up and free the
table.

I can see that it would be a Big Deal for the place to be able
to serve a famous chef and I can be sympathetic to that. Either way,
it's not a right or wrong situation, I was only musing about how I
might react in a similar situation.

>> Of course. Those would be considerations. I would also consider
>> what would happen to my food in the kitchen if I stood my ground, but
>> that's just me. Heh.
> Inspect it carefully.

Yikes.

nancy

On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 19:23:42 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> Nothing wrong with that, and I've seen my share of jerks who linger
> over empty glasses forever all the while you see people are waiting
> to sit down, so I think it's nice that you'd finish up and free the
> table.

A smart manager would buy them an after dinner drink in the bar to
move them out of the dining room.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 17:59:16 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 05/07/2013 5:18 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:46:56 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> It means people sitting at a table eating their dinner. As the
>>>> article makes clear.
>>>
>>> Yes. I know that. You say that he did it rudely. We don't know. The
>>> article isn't specific as to what was said to them.
>>
>> No matter how they asked, or what words they used - it's a bloody rude
>> thing to do to a paying customer. What relevance is it that a
>> celebrity is involved? I can't get over your attitude.
>>
>
>
>Agreed. Asking diners to give up a table for someone who has come in
>after them, especially when the people at the tables had reservations is
>so unacceptable that there is no way they could ask it nicely.

Indeed...

Well I can tolerate him slightly more than the Robert Irvine character. Now that is a waste of DNA. I bet Godon went over to Iceland to chase the six feet tall blue eyed blonde ladies who supposedly outnumber old rich touristas ten to one. They need to send Anthony Bourdain over there. He would know what to do maybe.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/5/2013 7:05 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 05/07/2013 6:58 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> Just in general, I was saying that if I was asked nicely as a favor,
>>> I'd probably go along assuming there was somewhere else to sit that
>>> was okay with me.
>>>
>>> When presented with a story like this, I wonder what I would have
>>> done and was just commenting that I'd probably move without taking it
>>> personally depending how it was handled.
>
>> If it were me.... I was at a table... that I had reserved.... another
>> party shows up... without reservations.... there is room at the bar.....
>> set the new arrivals at the bar. If you want my table, cgive me a few
>> minutes to finish and comp my meal.
>
> Nothing wrong with that, and I've seen my share of jerks who linger
> over empty glasses forever all the while you see people are waiting
> to sit down, so I think it's nice that you'd finish up and free the
> table.
>
Oh! FFS! Relax!!!!! If you want a fast turn around, go to McD's!!
Graham

On 2013-07-05, Nancy Young > wrote:


> On the face of it (and not having read the whole story), I would be
> inclined to walk out the door. Then I thought that it would depend
> on how it was presented to me. If the manager came over and said
> Look, we're in a bind here, could you do us a favor ... I'd probably
> just move without a fuss, though I would expect some kind of comp.
>
> Of course, I much prefer to eat at the bar anyway, but that isn't the
> point. I'd help them out if it was requested nicely.
>
> I would not assume that GR/whoever knew what had happened.

Geez, someone here with a lick o' sense.

I'd move if asked. Jes a struggling resto owner trying to take
advantage of one-time shot at some no-doubt rare PR. Who would be
such a dick as to begrudge the owner that?

I'd move for you, Nancy.

nb

On 05/07/2013 9:06 PM, notbob wrote:

>> Of course, I much prefer to eat at the bar anyway, but that isn't the
>> point. I'd help them out if it was requested nicely.
>>
>> I would not assume that GR/whoever knew what had happened.
>
> Geez, someone here with a lick o' sense.
>
> I'd move if asked. Jes a struggling resto owner trying to take
> advantage of one-time shot at some no-doubt rare PR. Who would be
> such a dick as to begrudge the owner that?

It's not a matter of being a dick. You are a paying customer and you
suddenly find yourself being treated like a second class citizen. Your
money is as good as the celebrity. The owner can let you finish the meal
you are paying for and reserve the table for the celebrity.

If the owner really wants to make brownie points with a celebrity he
can keep the kitchen open late and offer some special dishes.



>
> I'd move for you, Nancy.
>

On 7/5/2013 9:06 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-07-05, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
>
>> On the face of it (and not having read the whole story), I would be
>> inclined to walk out the door. Then I thought that it would depend
>> on how it was presented to me. If the manager came over and said
>> Look, we're in a bind here, could you do us a favor ... I'd probably
>> just move without a fuss, though I would expect some kind of comp.
>>
>> Of course, I much prefer to eat at the bar anyway, but that isn't the
>> point. I'd help them out if it was requested nicely.
>>
>> I would not assume that GR/whoever knew what had happened.
>
> Geez, someone here with a lick o' sense.
>
> I'd move if asked. Jes a struggling resto owner trying to take
> advantage of one-time shot at some no-doubt rare PR. Who would be
> such a dick as to begrudge the owner that?
>
> I'd move for you, Nancy.

(laugh) Well, just shove over a little, there's plenty of
room for everyone.

nancy

On 7/5/2013 9:04 PM, graham wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> Nothing wrong with that, and I've seen my share of jerks who linger
>> over empty glasses forever all the while you see people are waiting
>> to sit down, so I think it's nice that you'd finish up and free the
>> table.
>>
> Oh! FFS! Relax!!!!! If you want a fast turn around, go to McD's!!

Who said anything about a fast turnaround.

nancy

"graham" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/5/2013 7:05 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 05/07/2013 6:58 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> Just in general, I was saying that if I was asked nicely as a favor,
>>>> I'd probably go along assuming there was somewhere else to sit that
>>>> was okay with me.
>>>>
>>>> When presented with a story like this, I wonder what I would have
>>>> done and was just commenting that I'd probably move without taking it
>>>> personally depending how it was handled.
>>
>>> If it were me.... I was at a table... that I had reserved.... another
>>> party shows up... without reservations.... there is room at the bar.....
>>> set the new arrivals at the bar. If you want my table, cgive me a few
>>> minutes to finish and comp my meal.
>>
>> Nothing wrong with that, and I've seen my share of jerks who linger
>> over empty glasses forever all the while you see people are waiting
>> to sit down, so I think it's nice that you'd finish up and free the
>> table.
>>
> Oh! FFS! Relax!!!!! If you want a fast turn around, go to McD's!!
> Graham

Well, if you want to linger forever, go to McD's, preferably the drive-thru
and take it home.

Cheri

On 7/5/2013 9:20 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "graham" > snarled

>> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>>> Nothing wrong with that, and I've seen my share of jerks who linger
>>> over empty glasses forever all the while you see people are waiting
>>> to sit down, so I think it's nice that you'd finish up and free the
>>> table.
>>>
>> Oh! FFS! Relax!!!!! If you want a fast turn around, go to McD's!!
>> Graham
>
> Well, if you want to linger forever, go to McD's, preferably the
> drive-thru and take it home.

Honestly, stay how long you want, but once the bill's been settled
and you see people are waiting, move on. Or order another drink.
Either way.

nancy

On 7/5/2013 8:27 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 15:55:39 -0600, casa bona wrote:
>
>> On 7/5/2013 3:35 PM, Janet wrote:
>>
>>> I don't excuse him. But I can see that any child who spent their
>>> formative years connecting stress and criticism with explosive temper
>>> and verbal abuse, may involuntarily recreate that scenario over and
>>> over again in adult life whenever they are stressed, defensive or
>>> confronted with a weak angry person.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> You're reaffirming the cycle of domestic abuse which sf chronicled much
>> earlier in the Nigella affair.
>
> See? There's that sucking sound I was talking about. Don't you folks
> hear it, too?
>
> <snork>
>
> -sw
>

Did you want me to peruse your google archive for even more salacious
examples of your toxic posting personality?

Honestly Spin, you have a rap sheet a mile long.

You may keep on attacking me, but please know that your own archive will
do nothing but make you look angry and small-minded.

Your choice of course, but you've shown precious little ability there
before haven't you?

On 7/5/2013 8:50 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:52:53 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> I wonder why? He's a restaurateur for cripe's sake.
>> http://totaliceland.com/here-is-one-...id-in-iceland/
>
> Gordon Ramsey always dines alone on his show. That's so other
> customers won't feel uncomfortable when he stars badmouthing the same
> food they're eating and enjoying.
>
> As a restaurant owner I would certainly segregate him somehow from the
> rest of the public. Actually, I wouldn't even let him in my
> well-regarded restaurant in the first place. That is, unless there's
> some sort of law preventing asshole discrimination.
>
> -sw
>
You...a "well-regarded restaurant"?

That's richer than clotted cream, you obsequious old troll.

Do step away from the self-inflation device, you're tantamount to bursting.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:50:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:17:23 -0500, "MaryL"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> If anyone wanted to move me to the bar after I had already been seated
>> >> (or
>> >> tried to change my advance reservation to the bar to accommodate a
>> >> celebrity), I would walk out and never return.
>> >
>> > I'd be just as offended if I'd made a reservation for the dining room
>> > and they tried to seat me in the bar for the sole purpose of serving a
>> > celebrity.
>>
>> My parents and I have both had that same experience too. Only two of
>> you?
>> Could you please sit in the bar? Maybe that is just common to do here.
>>
> That's total BS by the restaurant. I'm not surprised you took it, but
> I'm surprised your husband did.

Why? He prefers sitting in the bar.

"casa bona" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/5/2013 3:03 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 03:28:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:52:53 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder why? He's a restaurateur for cripe's sake.
>>>>>> http://totaliceland.com/here-is-one-...id-in-iceland/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All I get is an internal server error message.
>>>>>
>>>>> The gist of the story is???
>>>>
>>>> I got that too at first. They told the customers that were already
>>>> seated
>>>> that a celebrity was coming in and they moved them to the bar.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It worked this afternoon. Not enough information to be accurate as to
>>> who I'd be POd at. Did GR make a request? If so, then both he and
>>> the restaurant are trash. If it was only at the request of the
>>> manager, he is trash and I'd never go there. If they comped my meal
>>> and the wine and asked politely, I may be convinced to move.
>>> Otherwise, they would have to stop feeding me and I'd leave (and not
>>> pay) or they'd have to call the police. No one should ever be treated
>>> second class like that.
>>
>> I'm with you. Details too vague and yet people are getting upset by it.
>>
>>
> That's a fair comment, so let's learn some mo
>
> http://www.thebraiser.com/gordon-ram...nd-restaurant/
>
> We also love the way that Icelandic people express themselves, whether in
> the undulating cries of Björk, or in the words of Herdís Stefánsdóttir,
> who recalled on Facebook how she and her fellow diners were treated
> unfairly at Reykjavik’s Loftið Bar when a “silly” group of waitresses
> kicked two tables out so that “famous people” could sit there instead. The
> post ended up with 565+ “likes” on Facebook, which, considering the
> population of Iceland, makes that post practically viral.
>
> We’re sure that it makes more furious sense in the original Icelandic, but
> when the News of Iceland translated it into English, the result is sort of
> adorable and we’re in love with it.
>
> “Most of the people laughed to begin with and thought the waitresses
> were joking. We then went to the bar to finish our drinks so we could go
> somewhere else… When we were leaving we passed the celebs, Gordon Ramsey
> and friends. And what irony, to be almost kicked out of a place for Gordon
> Ramsay, whose job is often to assist restaurants that make the same
> mistake as Loftið bar, to make the average customer feel unwelcome.”
>
> Stefánsdóttir then closes her rant with the money quote of the day:
> “Congratulations Loftið, you deserve 100% to be the ‘silly shivers of the
> month.’”
>
> We have no idea what “silly shivers” means, nor can we fully explain
> Iceland’s preoccupation with silliness. But we applaud Stefánsdóttir for
> calling out a very silly restaurant, indeed. Also, we love the phrase
> “silly shivers” and hope we never find out what it means. It’s so perfect
> and beautiful on its own, without context, without explanation, a turn of
> phrase that has emerged perfectly formed from the forehead of Björk.
>
> http://www.newsoficeland.com/home/en...-gordon-ramsey
>
> "The next table had a group of people celebrating a 40 year birthday and
> were far from happy with the treatment they got. The whole party just
> walked out the door without even finishing their drinks... We were told
> to just go to the bar and stay there if we wanted to stay any longer... as
> no tables were available for us anymore. I asked if they were kicking us
> out of the bar... but they said that was not the case. We were welcome to
> stay, but only at the bar, as the famous people needed our seats and
> tables. The bar staff also didn't know how many celebrities to expect, so
> they just freed up all the tables in the back of the bar."

Interesting! Thanks!

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 03:13:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Bottom line, they moved people to the bar
>>because a celebrity was coming. Gordon being the celebrity. I don't
>>really
>>see the problem here other than them moving the other diners (no specifics
>>as to what that means) which wouldn't necessarily be the first time a
>>business has done something like this.
>
> Wow. I'm almost lost for words. Have you no self respect?

Sure I do.
>
>>I have been moved to the bar on occasion when a restaurant was busy and so
>>have my parents. They have told me as such. Sometimes when there are
>>just
>>two people there and a larger group comes in, they might move the smaller
>>group to the bar. I can't say that this has happened often, but it has
>>happened.
>
> Irrelevant to the above scenario.

Not necessarily. The info that casa bono provided indicated that they
needed more tables.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 05/07/2013 5:12 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 03:13:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Bottom line, they moved people to the bar
>>> because a celebrity was coming. Gordon being the celebrity. I don't
>>> really
>>> see the problem here other than them moving the other diners (no
>>> specifics
>>> as to what that means) which wouldn't necessarily be the first time a
>>> business has done something like this.
>>
>> Wow. I'm almost lost for words. Have you no self respect?
>
>
> LOL..... you should know by now that she has none.
>
>
>
>>
>>> I have been moved to the bar on occasion when a restaurant was busy and
>>> so
>>> have my parents. They have told me as such. Sometimes when there are
>>> just
>>> two people there and a larger group comes in, they might move the
>>> smaller
>>> group to the bar. I can't say that this has happened often, but it has
>>> happened.
>>
>> Irrelevant to the above scenario.
>
> It is probably bullshit. It is totally unacceptable for a restaurant to
> ask diners to move for another party and it has happened to her "on
> occasion"??? More than once?? I don't believe it for a minute.

Seeing as how I am 54 now, lots of things have happened more than once.

On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 13:37:02 -0700, sf > wrote:



>>
>> No, the article makes no suggestion at all that it was done at GR's
>> request. He's a Brit and a Scot at that, so knows very well that's not
>> how royalty expect to be treated.
>>
>
>It doesn't matter who called the shots. Customers were moved and it
>reflects badly on both him and the restaurant.


It may or may not reflect badly on GR. Did he even know it was
happening or did some restaurant owner/manager get carried away with
the celebrity and clear the house?

If Ramsey condoned it, he is a nasty pig. If he knew nothing about
it, he is innocent of all charges.

I'm not condemning him until I know the facts. Anything else is pure
conjecture and it can bite you in the ass later.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 13:37:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>> No, the article makes no suggestion at all that it was done at GR's
>>> request. He's a Brit and a Scot at that, so knows very well that's not
>>> how royalty expect to be treated.
>>>
>>
>>It doesn't matter who called the shots. Customers were moved and it
>>reflects badly on both him and the restaurant.
>
>
> It may or may not reflect badly on GR. Did he even know it was
> happening or did some restaurant owner/manager get carried away with
> the celebrity and clear the house?
>
> If Ramsey condoned it, he is a nasty pig. If he knew nothing about
> it, he is innocent of all charges.
>
> I'm not condemning him until I know the facts. Anything else is pure
> conjecture and it can bite you in the ass later.

and where in the world would you expect to get such facts?

On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 14:08:53 -0700, sf > wrote:



>
>He was complicit, no matter how happened.

You cannot say that for sure. It may be that he is embarrassed that it
happened and was unaware at the time.

GR to staff: Hey, let's try that little restaurant down the street.
See if you can get a table.

Staff Head: OK, I called and 8:00 is good.

GR: OK, glad they had an opening.

What took place at the restaurant we have no way of telling. If GR
and/or his staff bullied their way in, OK he is guilty. Just because
he was the celebrity does not make him the villain though. Get some
supporting facts, then make the accusation.

On 7/5/2013 11:50 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 13:37:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>> No, the article makes no suggestion at all that it was done at GR's
>>> request. He's a Brit and a Scot at that, so knows very well that's not
>>> how royalty expect to be treated.
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't matter who called the shots. Customers were moved and it
>> reflects badly on both him and the restaurant.
>
>
> It may or may not reflect badly on GR. Did he even know it was
> happening or did some restaurant owner/manager get carried away with
> the celebrity and clear the house?
>
> If Ramsey condoned it, he is a nasty pig. If he knew nothing about
> it, he is innocent of all charges.
>
> I'm not condemning him until I know the facts. Anything else is pure
> conjecture and it can bite you in the ass later.
>
I think it was all on the restaurant owners. Not GR.

--
CAPSLOCK–Preventing Login Since 1980.

On 7/5/2013 9:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> It's not a matter of being a dick. You are a paying customer and you
> suddenly find yourself being treated like a second class citizen. Your
> money is as good as the celebrity. The owner can let you finish the meal
> you are paying for and reserve the table for the celebrity.
>
> If the owner really wants to make brownie points with a celebrity he
> can keep the kitchen open late and offer some special dishes.
>

I'd bet if the owner is going through all of the "trouble" of moving
other customers, he probably isn't even charging GR and his entourage
for their meal. It's all on the house.

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On 7/5/2013 10:27 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 15:55:39 -0600, casa bona wrote:
>
>> On 7/5/2013 3:35 PM, Janet wrote:
>>
>>> I don't excuse him. But I can see that any child who spent their
>>> formative years connecting stress and criticism with explosive temper
>>> and verbal abuse, may involuntarily recreate that scenario over and
>>> over again in adult life whenever they are stressed, defensive or
>>> confronted with a weak angry person.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> You're reaffirming the cycle of domestic abuse which sf chronicled much
>> earlier in the Nigella affair.
>
> See? There's that sucking sound I was talking about. Don't you folks
> hear it, too?
>
> <snork>
>
> -sw
>
Yep.

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On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:58:09 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote:


>>
>> I'm not condemning him until I know the facts. Anything else is pure
>> conjecture and it can bite you in the ass later.
>
>and where in the world would you expect to get such facts?
>


I have no idea, but if I don't get them you think it is OK to condemn
him? If he was not a celebrity this would not have made the news at
all.

Did your ancestors live in Salem MA in 1692 by chance? Sounds like
that is what is happening here.

Chances are. GR will make a comment or someone will do a bit more
investigating. The posted article was poorly done and lacked a lot of
information.

On 7/5/2013 10:50 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> As a restaurant owner I would certainly segregate him somehow from the
> rest of the public. Actually, I wouldn't even let him in my
> well-regarded restaurant in the first place. That is, unless there's
> some sort of law preventing asshole discrimination.
>
> -sw
>
Do you suppose he travels with cameras all the time? It wouldn't
surprise me if he did. I guess it also depends on what he was doing
dining in that restaurant in the first place. If he was there with a
large group I'd think he was there with a production group of some kind.

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On 7/5/2013 9:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "casa bona" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/5/2013 3:03 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 03:28:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:52:53 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder why? He's a restaurateur for cripe's sake.
>>>>>>> http://totaliceland.com/here-is-one-...id-in-iceland/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I get is an internal server error message.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The gist of the story is???
>>>>>
>>>>> I got that too at first. They told the customers that were already
>>>>> seated
>>>>> that a celebrity was coming in and they moved them to the bar.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It worked this afternoon. Not enough information to be accurate as to
>>>> who I'd be POd at. Did GR make a request? If so, then both he and
>>>> the restaurant are trash. If it was only at the request of the
>>>> manager, he is trash and I'd never go there. If they comped my meal
>>>> and the wine and asked politely, I may be convinced to move.
>>>> Otherwise, they would have to stop feeding me and I'd leave (and not
>>>> pay) or they'd have to call the police. No one should ever be treated
>>>> second class like that.
>>>
>>> I'm with you. Details too vague and yet people are getting upset by it.
>>>
>>>
>> That's a fair comment, so let's learn some mo
>>
>> http://www.thebraiser.com/gordon-ram...nd-restaurant/
>>
>> We also love the way that Icelandic people express themselves, whether in
>> the undulating cries of Björk, or in the words of Herdís Stefánsdóttir,
>> who recalled on Facebook how she and her fellow diners were treated
>> unfairly at Reykjavik’s Loftið Bar when a “silly” group of waitresses
>> kicked two tables out so that “famous people” could sit there instead. The
>> post ended up with 565+ “likes” on Facebook, which, considering the
>> population of Iceland, makes that post practically viral.
>>
>> We’re sure that it makes more furious sense in the original Icelandic, but
>> when the News of Iceland translated it into English, the result is sort of
>> adorable and we’re in love with it.
>>
>> “Most of the people laughed to begin with and thought the waitresses
>> were joking. We then went to the bar to finish our drinks so we could go
>> somewhere else… When we were leaving we passed the celebs, Gordon Ramsey
>> and friends. And what irony, to be almost kicked out of a place for Gordon
>> Ramsay, whose job is often to assist restaurants that make the same
>> mistake as Loftið bar, to make the average customer feel unwelcome.”
>>
>> Stefánsdóttir then closes her rant with the money quote of the day:
>> “Congratulations Loftið, you deserve 100% to be the ‘silly shivers of the
>> month.’”
>>
>> We have no idea what “silly shivers” means, nor can we fully explain
>> Iceland’s preoccupation with silliness. But we applaud Stefánsdóttir for
>> calling out a very silly restaurant, indeed. Also, we love the phrase
>> “silly shivers” and hope we never find out what it means. It’s so perfect
>> and beautiful on its own, without context, without explanation, a turn of
>> phrase that has emerged perfectly formed from the forehead of Björk.
>>
>> http://www.newsoficeland.com/home/en...-gordon-ramsey
>>
>> "The next table had a group of people celebrating a 40 year birthday and
>> were far from happy with the treatment they got. The whole party just
>> walked out the door without even finishing their drinks... We were told
>> to just go to the bar and stay there if we wanted to stay any longer... as
>> no tables were available for us anymore. I asked if they were kicking us
>> out of the bar... but they said that was not the case. We were welcome to
>> stay, but only at the bar, as the famous people needed our seats and
>> tables. The bar staff also didn't know how many celebrities to expect, so
>> they just freed up all the tables in the back of the bar."
>
> Interesting! Thanks!
>
>
You're welcome, better context can really re-inform the situation as we
discuss it.

On 7/5/2013 9:50 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 13:37:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>> No, the article makes no suggestion at all that it was done at GR's
>>> request. He's a Brit and a Scot at that, so knows very well that's not
>>> how royalty expect to be treated.
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't matter who called the shots. Customers were moved and it
>> reflects badly on both him and the restaurant.
>
>
> It may or may not reflect badly on GR. Did he even know it was
> happening or did some restaurant owner/manager get carried away with
> the celebrity and clear the house?
>
> If Ramsey condoned it, he is a nasty pig. If he knew nothing about
> it, he is innocent of all charges.
>
> I'm not condemning him until I know the facts. Anything else is pure
> conjecture and it can bite you in the ass later.
>

When he walked in to a normally busy restaurant and found an empty main
section, was he pleased, surprised, or perplexed?

On 7/5/2013 9:58 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 13:37:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the article makes no suggestion at all that it was done at GR's
>>>> request. He's a Brit and a Scot at that, so knows very well that's not
>>>> how royalty expect to be treated.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter who called the shots. Customers were moved and it
>>> reflects badly on both him and the restaurant.
>>
>>
>> It may or may not reflect badly on GR. Did he even know it was
>> happening or did some restaurant owner/manager get carried away with
>> the celebrity and clear the house?
>>
>> If Ramsey condoned it, he is a nasty pig. If he knew nothing about
>> it, he is innocent of all charges.
>>
>> I'm not condemning him until I know the facts. Anything else is pure
>> conjecture and it can bite you in the ass later.
>
> and where in the world would you expect to get such facts?
>
>
My post, earlier.

On 7/5/2013 10:03 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 14:08:53 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> He was complicit, no matter how happened.
>
> You cannot say that for sure. It may be that he is embarrassed that it
> happened and was unaware at the time.
>
> GR to staff: Hey, let's try that little restaurant down the street.
> See if you can get a table.
>
> Staff Head: OK, I called and 8:00 is good.
>
> GR: OK, glad they had an opening.
>
> What took place at the restaurant we have no way of telling. If GR
> and/or his staff bullied their way in, OK he is guilty. Just because
> he was the celebrity does not make him the villain though. Get some
> supporting facts, then make the accusation.
>

I posted them.

When he went in at prime time and found an empty section all for him,
his reaction?

On 7/5/2013 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:58:09 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> I'm not condemning him until I know the facts. Anything else is pure
>>> conjecture and it can bite you in the ass later.
>>
>> and where in the world would you expect to get such facts?
>>
>
>
> I have no idea, but if I don't get them you think it is OK to condemn
> him? If he was not a celebrity this would not have made the news at
> all.

Since he is, doesn't it seem likely he has seen this act before?

Might he not recognize it?

> Did your ancestors live in Salem MA in 1692 by chance? Sounds like
> that is what is happening here.
>
> Chances are. GR will make a comment or someone will do a bit more
> investigating. The posted article was poorly done and lacked a lot of
> information.

The supportive articles I posted magnified the situation.

You should read them, and quit playing ostrich.

On 7/5/2013 10:48 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:04:31 -0600, casa bona wrote:
>
>> You may keep on attacking me, but please know that your own archive will
>> do nothing but make you look angry and small-minded.
>
> Me attacking YOU?

Why yes, you and Marty went after me viciously within mere days of my
first posts here.

Don't you remember?

> It's a rare post that I make where you don't come
> out of left field with some sort of childish and petty comeback that
> has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You and your troll friend did your level best to demean me, accuse me,
frog me, really whatever it took, in your petty troll minds, to chase me
off.

Surprise mister, it failed, and will continue to.

Now you trolls will have to live with that.

> People aren't blind, you know.

People are easily misled, largely by trolls like you who mostly play
nice in one group, then go insane in another - like alt.food.fast-food.

You and Marty have multiple-socked yourselves to usenet infamy with your
efforts there.

And it's by no means the only place you have played your group-killing game.

I can easily provide dozens of examples, should you wish to progress
this disingenuous "who me?" line of discussion.

> ObFood: A can of Ting is quite a picker upper.
>
> -sw
>

You're a very canny but none the less evil troll.

The fact you take nice food pics is no more than your lantern fish's
headlamp.

If you find that reference arcane - look it up, troll.

On 7/5/2013 10:56 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 00:19:39 -0400, Cheryl wrote:
>
>> On 7/5/2013 10:50 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> As a restaurant owner I would certainly segregate him somehow from the
>>> rest of the public. Actually, I wouldn't even let him in my
>>> well-regarded restaurant in the first place. That is, unless there's
>>> some sort of law preventing asshole discrimination.
>>>
>> Do you suppose he travels with cameras all the time? It wouldn't
>> surprise me if he did. I guess it also depends on what he was doing
>> dining in that restaurant in the first place. If he was there with a
>> large group I'd think he was there with a production group of some kind.
>
> I'm sure it was a casual diner probably not having anything to do with
> TV. But if we are supposed to believe Reality TV, who's to say he's
> not a dick 100% of the time he goes into a restaurant?
>
> Just as with online personas, any "reality" TV personality who is a
> dick on TV is going to be a dick in real life, too. That part of the
> "reality" gimmick I do believe is for real.
>
> -sw
>


Sounds like you have found your hosting medium.

Send FN some of your glossy sandwich pics and don't forget to include
your evil usenet trolling - and who knows...you might be the next FN Star!

On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:04:31 -0600, casa bona > wrote:

> Honestly Spin, you have a rap sheet a mile long.

He lives in the hope that x-no archive will protect him.
>
> You may keep on attacking me, but please know that your own archive will
> do nothing but make you look angry and small-minded.
>
> Your choice of course, but you've shown precious little ability there
> before haven't you?

<G>

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On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:33:08 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:50:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:17:23 -0500, "MaryL"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If anyone wanted to move me to the bar after I had already been seated
> >> >> (or
> >> >> tried to change my advance reservation to the bar to accommodate a
> >> >> celebrity), I would walk out and never return.
> >> >
> >> > I'd be just as offended if I'd made a reservation for the dining room
> >> > and they tried to seat me in the bar for the sole purpose of serving a
> >> > celebrity.
> >>
> >> My parents and I have both had that same experience too. Only two of
> >> you?
> >> Could you please sit in the bar? Maybe that is just common to do here.
> >>
> > That's total BS by the restaurant. I'm not surprised you took it, but
> > I'm surprised your husband did.
>
> Why? He prefers sitting in the bar.
>
Why didn't you just sit there in the first place?

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:33:08 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:50:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:17:23 -0500, "MaryL"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> If anyone wanted to move me to the bar after I had already been
>> >> >> seated
>> >> >> (or
>> >> >> tried to change my advance reservation to the bar to accommodate a
>> >> >> celebrity), I would walk out and never return.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd be just as offended if I'd made a reservation for the dining
>> >> > room
>> >> > and they tried to seat me in the bar for the sole purpose of serving
>> >> > a
>> >> > celebrity.
>> >>
>> >> My parents and I have both had that same experience too. Only two of
>> >> you?
>> >> Could you please sit in the bar? Maybe that is just common to do
>> >> here.
>> >>
>> > That's total BS by the restaurant. I'm not surprised you took it, but
>> > I'm surprised your husband did.
>>
>> Why? He prefers sitting in the bar.
>>
> Why didn't you just sit there in the first place?

I said *he* prefers it. I don't always.

In article >, says...
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 7/5/2013 7:05 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>> On 05/07/2013 6:58 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Just in general, I was saying that if I was asked nicely as a favor,
> >>>> I'd probably go along assuming there was somewhere else to sit that
> >>>> was okay with me.
> >>>>
> >>>> When presented with a story like this, I wonder what I would have
> >>>> done and was just commenting that I'd probably move without taking it
> >>>> personally depending how it was handled.
> >>
> >>> If it were me.... I was at a table... that I had reserved.... another
> >>> party shows up... without reservations.... there is room at the bar.....
> >>> set the new arrivals at the bar. If you want my table, cgive me a few
> >>> minutes to finish and comp my meal.
> >>
> >> Nothing wrong with that, and I've seen my share of jerks who linger
> >> over empty glasses forever all the while you see people are waiting
> >> to sit down, so I think it's nice that you'd finish up and free the
> >> table.
> >>
> > Oh! FFS! Relax!!!!! If you want a fast turn around, go to McD's!!
> > Graham
>
> Well, if you want to linger forever, go to McD's, preferably the drive-thru
> and take it home.

Or go to the kind of upmarket place where customers expect to enjoy a
long leisurely dinner in peace with no pressure, and the establishment
makes no later bookings for that table.

Janet UK.

In article om>,
says...
>
> On 7/5/2013 10:50 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > As a restaurant owner I would certainly segregate him somehow from the
> > rest of the public. Actually, I wouldn't even let him in my
> > well-regarded restaurant in the first place. That is, unless there's
> > some sort of law preventing asshole discrimination.
> >
> > -sw
> >
> Do you suppose he travels with cameras all the time? It wouldn't
> surprise me if he did. I guess it also depends on what he was doing
> dining in that restaurant in the first place.

Pity you didn't read the link. He was on a fishing holiday with
friends; they went out for dinner.

If he was there with a
> large group I'd think he was there with a production group of some kind.

Fishermen on holiday do not tend to move round in large mobs.

I can't believe the naivete.

GR's TV show, is about failing businesses that have ASKED to be on a
TV show in which GR will tell them what they're doing wrong and what to
do to put it right. IOW, its all arranged in advance at the owners
request. He does NOT turn up unexpectedly (with an entire production
crew). It's a highly predictable formula, there's no secret about it or
how he behaves on the show, every restaurant owner knew that when they
put their own name forward to take part.

You can't seriously think he takes a TV production crew with him in
his private social life?

Janet UK