On 08/07/2013 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> This whole tread has taken a stupid turn, imo. There should be no "tenure"
> on any job.

There isn't in most jobs. Tenure applies to university professors and it
is more about their ability to do their work and express views without
having to worry about trustees lobbying for their dismissal over their
views and theories.



> If an employee is a good one, the employer will act to keep
> that person on and award them appropriately. If you slack off, don't do
> your job so well and even maybe cause problems with others, it's time for
> you to go.


Sure. Let's just keep the young, hard working, fast learning people and
as soon as they show a fault we will can them and replace them with
someone who is willing to work even harder for less. Let's continue to
talk about the rewards of hard work and incentives but apply them only
to people who make more..... and pay CEOS millions and millions of
dollars in salaries and perks to find ways to screw the little people
even more.

On 7/8/2013 9:45 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 08/07/2013 9:36 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> Has it occurred to you that the woman sitting IN the
>>> sink just didn't want to move and gave that story so that she didn't
>>> have
>>> to? I man, how often do you see people sitting IN sinks. Julie had
>>> no way
>>> to prove otherwise did she? Would you start an argument with some
>>> loonie
>>> sitting IN a sink?
>>
>> Regardless of whether the sink worked or not, Julie said the bathroom was
>> filthy so she wouldn't have used it anyway.
>
> No regardless about it or not. It never happened.

You're in no position to be authoritative on the matter, now go back to
being abusive.

On Sunday, July 7, 2013 11:01:23 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 10:14:23 -0700 (PDT), merryb >
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Saturday, July 6, 2013 9:08:18 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Well actually, I almost had a problem once - but we survived. We were
>
> > >
>
> > > at Harry's Bar in Rome for the "duration" after a long day of walking,
>
> > >
>
> > > so it wasn't really a problem.
>
>
>
> <snip>
>
> >
>
> > Isn't Harry's Bar in Venice?
>
>
>
> Are you incapable of Googling "Harry's Bar, Rome"?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Wow, that was unnecessarily bitchy...
The one in Venice is the famous one.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 08/07/2013 9:36 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> Has it occurred to you that the woman sitting IN the
>>> sink just didn't want to move and gave that story so that she didn't
>>> have
>>> to? I man, how often do you see people sitting IN sinks. Julie had no
>>> way
>>> to prove otherwise did she? Would you start an argument with some
>>> loonie
>>> sitting IN a sink?
>>
>> Regardless of whether the sink worked or not, Julie said the bathroom was
>> filthy so she wouldn't have used it anyway.
>
> No regardless about it or not. It never happened. McD's, despite the
> quality of their food, which some people actually like, would not allow a
> store in the chain that did not have running water in the bathroom.

I've never seen a "filthy" bathroom at McD's either. Julie did say that she
used the bathroom, she just could not wash her hands there because some sink
sitting bimbo told her there was no running water, never had been, so she
used a baby wipe.

Cheri

On 08/07/2013 12:05 PM, merryb wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Isn't Harry's Bar in Venice?
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you incapable of Googling "Harry's Bar, Rome"?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> Wow, that was unnecessarily bitchy...
> The one in Venice is the famous one.
>



Wow.... she did say she had been at Harry's Bar in Rome. There is a
Harry's Bar in Rome and that is the one she said she had been at. Maybe
she could have been a little more gentle in dealing with the way that
you were suggesting she was wrong about where she had been. You really
could have googled Harry's Bar Rome before casting doubt on her accuracy.

On Monday, July 8, 2013 9:28:03 AM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 08/07/2013 12:05 PM, merryb wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> Isn't Harry's Bar in Venice?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Are you incapable of Googling "Harry's Bar, Rome"?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> --
>
> >>
>
> >> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> >
>
> > Wow, that was unnecessarily bitchy...
>
> > The one in Venice is the famous one.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wow.... she did say she had been at Harry's Bar in Rome. There is a
>
> Harry's Bar in Rome and that is the one she said she had been at. Maybe
>
> she could have been a little more gentle in dealing with the way that
>
> you were suggesting she was wrong about where she had been. You really
>
> could have googled Harry's Bar Rome before casting doubt on her accuracy.

You are correct- that's what she said. She can be unaccurate at times- like when she posted about the earthquake that caused damage to the Skagit River bridge. I don't think I was rude about it, tho...

On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 09:05:51 -0700 (PDT), merryb >
wrote:

> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 11:01:23 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 10:14:23 -0700 (PDT), merryb >
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Saturday, July 6, 2013 9:08:18 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Well actually, I almost had a problem once - but we survived. We were
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > at Harry's Bar in Rome for the "duration" after a long day of walking,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > so it wasn't really a problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Isn't Harry's Bar in Venice?
> >
> >
> >
> > Are you incapable of Googling "Harry's Bar, Rome"?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> Wow, that was unnecessarily bitchy...
> The one in Venice is the famous one.


KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCK.... I was talking about where *I* was, not the
only Harry's Bar you've ever heard of.

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On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 05:57:12 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 15:01:20 -0700, "Pico Rico" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 16:40:05 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article >,
> >> >>
> >> >> says...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:39:16 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > How can a "without cause" law be something anyone would pass,
> >> >> > > especially
> >> >> > > the French?
> >> >>
> >> >> It means that employees under 26 are on probation and do not "get
> >> >> tenure" until they've worked in a job for two years.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We have "at will" employment here in the USA.
> >> >>
> >> >> AIUI plenty of employees in the USA have jobs which are without
> >> >> tenure
> >> >> until they have srved a probation of several years.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/5/315.201
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Employment is not guaranteed in the USA. Non-union workers can be
> >> > fired or quit at any time and contracts can be broken by either party.
> >>
> >> that is not true. If an employment contract is in place, as opposed to
> >> "at
> >> will" employment, the contract can be enforced.
> >>
> >
> > Contracts can also be broken. Sweeten the deal enough and the other
> > side will acquiesce.
> >
>
> in that case the contract is not "broken".
>
I really don't care what you want to call it, it's broken.

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On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:43:28 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> This whole tread has taken a stupid turn, imo. There should be no "tenure"
> on any job. If an employee is a good one, the employer will act to keep
> that person on and award them appropriately. If you slack off, don't do
> your job so well and even maybe cause problems with others, it's time for
> you to go.

Employers find ways to get rid of people who cost too much. If you
haven't figured it out by this time, your head is in the sand.

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On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 11:59:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 08/07/2013 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>
> >
> > This whole tread has taken a stupid turn, imo. There should be no "tenure"
> > on any job.
>
> There isn't in most jobs. Tenure applies to university professors and it
> is more about their ability to do their work and express views without
> having to worry about trustees lobbying for their dismissal over their
> views and theories.
>
You don't have "publish or perish" in Canada?
>
>
> > If an employee is a good one, the employer will act to keep
> > that person on and award them appropriately. If you slack off, don't do
> > your job so well and even maybe cause problems with others, it's time for
> > you to go.
>
>
> Sure. Let's just keep the young, hard working, fast learning people and
> as soon as they show a fault we will can them and replace them with
> someone who is willing to work even harder for less. Let's continue to
> talk about the rewards of hard work and incentives but apply them only
> to people who make more..... and pay CEOS millions and millions of
> dollars in salaries and perks to find ways to screw the little people
> even more.


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On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 00:29:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> t...
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >
> >> > She's delusional.
> >>
> >> The woman in the sink may have been. I know I'm not. She is the one who
> >> told me there was no running water.
> >
> > You're the one who believed it.
>
> You're missing the point! The sink was unusable.
>
You said there was no running water and you didn't say anyone was
sitting IN the sink and didn't want to move. It's a cockamamie story
no matter how you put it, but it goes along with your personality.
You said in another thread that being moved from the table you're
already been served at to the bar is fine with you and now you take
the word of some sullen teenager ( whom you neglected to say at first
was sitting IN the sink doing who knows what) about no water as truth
enough to claim in rfc that there was no running water in the
bathroom. My god, Julie. Buy a clue!

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On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 02:14:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Either way, I could not use the sink. So it was unhygienic.

That is not the restaurant's fault.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 00:29:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> t...
>> > In article >, says...
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >
>> >> > She's delusional.
>> >>
>> >> The woman in the sink may have been. I know I'm not. She is the one
>> >> who
>> >> told me there was no running water.
>> >
>> > You're the one who believed it.
>>
>> You're missing the point! The sink was unusable.
>>
> You said there was no running water and you didn't say anyone was
> sitting IN the sink and didn't want to move. It's a cockamamie story
> no matter how you put it, but it goes along with your personality.
> You said in another thread that being moved from the table you're
> already been served at to the bar is fine with you and now you take
> the word of some sullen teenager ( whom you neglected to say at first
> was sitting IN the sink doing who knows what) about no water as truth
> enough to claim in rfc that there was no running water in the
> bathroom. My god, Julie. Buy a clue!

Do you make notes as you go along or do you just have a good memory for
someone who deserves a really good slam? Don't hold back sf, I am sure you
can do much better.

btw why are you in such a foul mood these days???
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 12:56:52 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> lid says...
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:34:58 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >>
> > >> > Ha! Not always clean. We made the mistake of going into the one by
> > >> > Golden Gate Park, mainly because I needed to use the restroom.
> > >> > Afterwards, the young woman sitting in the sink and applying her makeup
> > >> > informed me that there was no running water in there and never had
> > >> > been.
> > >> > Luckily I had baby wipes with me but... Eek! The we usually went to
> > >> > (not
> > >> > that we went there often) on Staten Island wasn't so great either.
> > >>
> > >> There was no running water in a McD's in SF? I don't believe that at all,
> > >> unless they happened to be experiencing plumbing problems on that
> > >> particular
> > >> day. How did they flush the toilets without water?
> > >>
> > > She's delusional.
> >
> > Has it occurred to you that the woman sitting IN the
> > sink just didn't want to move and gave that story so that she didn't have
> > to? I man, how often do you see people sitting IN sinks.
>
> Exactly, Einstein. So why did that not occur to Julie. Instead, Julie
> repeats the obvious fantasy as the basis for her claim that MacDonalds
> is NOT CLEAN.
>
Also, that McDonald's is not inside GG Park but at one end. It is at
the end of Haight St. that stops at the park. The Haight itself isn't
the best area of town. It's populated with lots of homeless, druggies
and other unsavory types (like the one occupying the wash basin) who
hang out at that end of the park and up Haight St, so I'm not
surprised the bathroom was a mess. Bathrooms are usually cleaned up
hourly and bathrooms in an area like that can go downhill quickly.
I've been to that particular McDonald's and it's never been in the
condition she describes, but it's certainly possible considering the
likely customers. I think the McD's she's talking about even has a
security guard. If that wasn't a big enough clue, then she's
hopelessly lost in the fog.

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> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 00:29:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"


>> You're missing the point! The sink was unusable.

No, you're missing the point Julie, you're the one that *repeated* something
as outlandish as "there was no running water, never had been" at a bathroom
at McD's as a reason why not all bathrooms are clean and nice at said place.
Common sense should tell anyone that is not true. You can have the last word
with me.

Cheri

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:55:26 -0600, casa bona > wrote:

> On 7/8/2013 8:04 AM, graham wrote:
> > "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> >> graham wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "sf" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 16:34:35 -0600, "graham" > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> And, sadly, more cultural arrogance from you.
> >>>>> Graham
> >>>>
> >>>> And, we're perceiving cultural arrogance from you.
> >>>>
> >>> That's because you haven't looked in a mirror lately!
> >>
> >> Again I'll say this. When you travel to another country, you should
> >> humble
> >> yourself and adopt their ways while being a guest in their area. You
> >> should
> >> politely accept what they offer. "When in Rome, do like the Romans do."
> >> This is the way you get along with people from other cultures.
> >>
> >> Travelers/tourists from other countries are ambassadors for their country
> >> whether they realize it or not. If you act like an asshole in another
> >> country, it does reflect on your own country.
> >>
> > I agree and that was the point of my original post.
> > Graham
> >
> >
> Yet the actual effect was to demean Americans and you doubled down when
> caught at it.

+1

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 12:56:52 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> lid says...
>> >
>> > "sf" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:34:58 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> > >> ...
>> > >>
>> > >> > Ha! Not always clean. We made the mistake of going into the one
>> > >> > by
>> > >> > Golden Gate Park, mainly because I needed to use the restroom.
>> > >> > Afterwards, the young woman sitting in the sink and applying her
>> > >> > makeup
>> > >> > informed me that there was no running water in there and never
>> > >> > had
>> > >> > been.
>> > >> > Luckily I had baby wipes with me but... Eek! The we usually went
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > (not
>> > >> > that we went there often) on Staten Island wasn't so great either.
>> > >>
>> > >> There was no running water in a McD's in SF? I don't believe that at
>> > >> all,
>> > >> unless they happened to be experiencing plumbing problems on that
>> > >> particular
>> > >> day. How did they flush the toilets without water?
>> > >>
>> > > She's delusional.
>> >
>> > Has it occurred to you that the woman sitting IN the
>> > sink just didn't want to move and gave that story so that she didn't
>> > have
>> > to? I man, how often do you see people sitting IN sinks.
>>
>> Exactly, Einstein. So why did that not occur to Julie. Instead, Julie
>> repeats the obvious fantasy as the basis for her claim that MacDonalds
>> is NOT CLEAN.
>>
> Also, that McDonald's is not inside GG Park but at one end. It is at
> the end of Haight St. that stops at the park. The Haight itself isn't
> the best area of town. It's populated with lots of homeless, druggies
> and other unsavory types (like the one occupying the wash basin) who
> hang out at that end of the park and up Haight St, so I'm not
> surprised the bathroom was a mess. Bathrooms are usually cleaned up
> hourly and bathrooms in an area like that can go downhill quickly.
> I've been to that particular McDonald's and it's never been in the
> condition she describes, but it's certainly possible considering the
> likely customers. I think the McD's she's talking about even has a
> security guard. If that wasn't a big enough clue, then she's
> hopelessly lost in the fog.

Yeah, go sf...................

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On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:54:25 -0600, casa bona > wrote:

> On 7/8/2013 7:54 AM, Gary wrote:
> > graham wrote:
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 16:34:35 -0600, "graham" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> And, sadly, more cultural arrogance from you.
> >>>> Graham
> >>>
> >>> And, we're perceiving cultural arrogance from you.
> >>>
> >> That's because you haven't looked in a mirror lately!
> >
> > Again I'll say this. When you travel to another country, you should humble
> > yourself and adopt their ways while being a guest in their area. You should
> > politely accept what they offer. "When in Rome, do like the Romans do."
> > This is the way you get along with people from other cultures.
>
> My but you are remarkably submissive!
>
> > Travelers/tourists from other countries are ambassadors for their country
> > whether they realize it or not. If you act like an asshole in another
> > country, it does reflect on your own country.
> >
> > G.
> >
> Suppose you exhibit a mannerly divergence from local norms, is that a sin?

Want to bet he's never traveled, not even around the USA?

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On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:50:29 -0600, casa bona > wrote:

> On 7/8/2013 7:21 AM, graham wrote:
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 16:34:35 -0600, "graham" > wrote:
> >>
> >>> And, sadly, more cultural arrogance from you.
> >>> Graham
> >>
> >> And, we're perceiving cultural arrogance from you.
> >>
> > That's because you haven't looked in a mirror lately!
> >
> >
> Your reflection is eluding you, for good reason.

<LOL>

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Ophelia wrote:
>
> Do you make notes as you go along or do you just have a good memory for
> someone who deserves a really good slam? Don't hold back sf, I am sure you
> can do much better.
>
> btw why are you in such a foul mood these days???

I've noticed a definite lack of social skills with her lately. :-(

G.

sf wrote:
>
> On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:54:25 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
> > Suppose you exhibit a mannerly divergence from local norms, is that a sin?
>
> Want to bet he's never traveled, not even around the USA?

I'll take that bet, you pompous ass.
All "lower 48" states and a couple of foreign countries.

You've obviously traveled more than I but it's sad that you have and spread
your arrogance to other areas. People like you are one reason others resent
Americans. You have a snobbery and arrogance about you that shows up often
here. I hope people from other countries realize that all americans are not
like you. It embarrasses me sometimes when I read what you write.

If you want to play nice, so will I. If not.....let's dance, Barbara.

G.

On 7/8/2013 11:28 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:54:25 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>
>> On 7/8/2013 7:54 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 16:34:35 -0600, "graham" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And, sadly, more cultural arrogance from you.
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> And, we're perceiving cultural arrogance from you.
>>>>>
>>>> That's because you haven't looked in a mirror lately!
>>>
>>> Again I'll say this. When you travel to another country, you should humble
>>> yourself and adopt their ways while being a guest in their area. You should
>>> politely accept what they offer. "When in Rome, do like the Romans do."
>>> This is the way you get along with people from other cultures.
>>
>> My but you are remarkably submissive!
>>
>>> Travelers/tourists from other countries are ambassadors for their country
>>> whether they realize it or not. If you act like an asshole in another
>>> country, it does reflect on your own country.
>>>
>>> G.
>>>
>> Suppose you exhibit a mannerly divergence from local norms, is that a sin?
>
> Want to bet he's never traveled, not even around the USA?
>
I'm guessing that might be a strong possibility.

On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 21:55:56 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 18:07:06 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On 07/07/2013 6:01 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> That part makes sense, it's the ability to fire for no cause that I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> care for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you obviously hve never ran a business and had employees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do businesses run more efficiently if you can fire for no reason?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes.
>>>
>>>That must to wonders for morale. I can just imagine how the drudges will
>>>work their asses off when they know that it doesn't matter how hard they
>>>work, that the boss can fire them on a whim.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> If you are doing a good job, you probably won't be fired and you may
>> be rewarded. If you have to worry that the boss may fire you, good
>> chance there is a legitimate reason for that and you'd be better off
>> not there anyway.
>>
>> Enlightened management (it is not 1930 any more) will have policies in
>> effect that deal with problems and spell out penalties clearly.
>>
>> If you owned a business, would you not want to be able to choose who
>> you want working for you?
>
>That's not necessarily true.

That's true... not all management is enlightened or fair... most isn't
enlightened or fair. In most instances the clandestine/unspoken
reason for letting someone go is "nepotism".

>Although they might not fire, they can lay
>off. I once worked for a company that was notorious for this. They seemed
>not to do this to the management but they did to everyone else. They would
>let you work until you were about 2 hours short of getting unemployment then
>lay you off and promise you that you would be the first to be called back.
>Don't call us! We'll call you! And of course they never called.
>
>If they fire, I think they have to pay unemployment unless there is a really
>good reason.

Unemployment is paid for both firing and layoff, only the waiting time
differs.... both employee and employer contribute to the premiums, in
advance.

On 08/07/2013 1:01 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 11:59:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 08/07/2013 9:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This whole tread has taken a stupid turn, imo. There should be no "tenure"
>>> on any job.
>>
>> There isn't in most jobs. Tenure applies to university professors and it
>> is more about their ability to do their work and express views without
>> having to worry about trustees lobbying for their dismissal over their
>> views and theories.
>>
> You don't have "publish or perish" in Canada?


I don't know how formal that is, whether there is a set number of
articles, papers or books a professor is required to write each year,
but tenure is based on an issue that a problem in the good old days
where board members might get rid of a professor because he had
published something that ruffled their religious beliefs. Science and
engineering are rather new to universities. Until the late 19th century
universities were primarily for the study of religion and philosophy.

There has been a major shift to science and technology and a lot of the
funding comes from major corporations. How much research grant money
do you think there would be for someone trying to expose the evil of
genetically modified foods if Monsanto is a major benefactor of the
school? How much research is done on effective methods of birth control
by Catholic or Baptist universities?




>>
>>
>>> If an employee is a good one, the employer will act to keep
>>> that person on and award them appropriately. If you slack off, don't do
>>> your job so well and even maybe cause problems with others, it's time for
>>> you to go.
>>
>>
>> Sure. Let's just keep the young, hard working, fast learning people and
>> as soon as they show a fault we will can them and replace them with
>> someone who is willing to work even harder for less. Let's continue to
>> talk about the rewards of hard work and incentives but apply them only
>> to people who make more..... and pay CEOS millions and millions of
>> dollars in salaries and perks to find ways to screw the little people
>> even more.
>
>

On 08/07/2013 1:10 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 00:29:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"

>>
>> You're missing the point! The sink was unusable.
>>
> You said there was no running water and you didn't say anyone was
> sitting IN the sink and didn't want to move. It's a cockamamie story
> no matter how you put it, but it goes along with your personality.
> You said in another thread that being moved from the table you're
> already been served at to the bar is fine with you and now you take
> the word of some sullen teenager ( whom you neglected to say at first
> was sitting IN the sink doing who knows what) about no water as truth
> enough to claim in rfc that there was no running water in the
> bathroom. My god, Julie. Buy a clue!
>



Actually, based on what was quoted in someone else's reply to Bovine,
she did say that there was someone sitting in the sink putting on
make-up. I know it is hard to imagine someone actually sitting in the
sink and putting on make-up, but consider the source. Bovine is
desperate for attention so she has to make her stories ever more
outlandish in order to stir things up and have people pay attention to her.

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:43:28 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>This whole tread has taken a stupid turn, imo. There should be no "tenure"
>on any job.

Indeed, I don't know what the hell they're talking about.

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:54:56 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>graham wrote:
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 16:34:35 -0600, "graham" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> And, sadly, more cultural arrogance from you.
>> >> Graham
>> >
>> > And, we're perceiving cultural arrogance from you.
>> >
>> That's because you haven't looked in a mirror lately!
>
>Again I'll say this. When you travel to another country, you should humble
>yourself and adopt their ways while being a guest in their area. You should
>politely accept what they offer. "When in Rome, do like the Romans do."
>This is the way you get along with people from other cultures.
>
>Travelers/tourists from other countries are ambassadors for their country
>whether they realize it or not. If you act like an asshole in another
>country, it does reflect on your own country.

All common sense. Not a difficult concept, one would have thought.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:54:25 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>
> > On 7/8/2013 7:54 AM, Gary wrote:
> > > graham wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "sf" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >>> On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 16:34:35 -0600, "graham" > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> And, sadly, more cultural arrogance from you.
> > >>>> Graham
> > >>>
> > >>> And, we're perceiving cultural arrogance from you.
> > >>>
> > >> That's because you haven't looked in a mirror lately!
> > >
> > > Again I'll say this. When you travel to another country, you should humble
> > > yourself and adopt their ways while being a guest in their area. You should
> > > politely accept what they offer. "When in Rome, do like the Romans do."
> > > This is the way you get along with people from other cultures.
> >
> > My but you are remarkably submissive!
> >
> > > Travelers/tourists from other countries are ambassadors for their country
> > > whether they realize it or not. If you act like an asshole in another
> > > country, it does reflect on your own country.
> > >
> > > G.
> > >
> > Suppose you exhibit a mannerly divergence from local norms, is that a sin?
>
> Want to bet he's never traveled, not even around the USA?

You'd lose. Graham has visited posters (abroad) in another group we
post to.

Janet UK

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 15:37:51 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> How much research is done on effective methods of birth control
> by Catholic or Baptist universities?

Is that the only subject worth researching?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 08/07/2013 5:29 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 15:37:51 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> How much research is done on effective methods of birth control
>> by Catholic or Baptist universities?
>
> Is that the only subject worth researching?
>


No. It was just a ferinstance of the types of research that are frowned
upon at some universities. I did give another, something completely
different.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 02:14:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Either way, I could not use the sink. So it was unhygienic.
>
> That is not the restaurant's fault.

It is because they allowed it to happen!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 00:29:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> t...
>> > In article >, says...
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >
>> >> > She's delusional.
>> >>
>> >> The woman in the sink may have been. I know I'm not. She is the one
>> >> who
>> >> told me there was no running water.
>> >
>> > You're the one who believed it.
>>
>> You're missing the point! The sink was unusable.
>>
> You said there was no running water and you didn't say anyone was
> sitting IN the sink and didn't want to move. It's a cockamamie story
> no matter how you put it, but it goes along with your personality.
> You said in another thread that being moved from the table you're
> already been served at to the bar is fine with you and now you take
> the word of some sullen teenager ( whom you neglected to say at first
> was sitting IN the sink doing who knows what) about no water as truth
> enough to claim in rfc that there was no running water in the
> bathroom. My god, Julie. Buy a clue!

I certainly did! I said that the woman was sitting in the sink, putting on
her makeup. She told me not to bother trying to use the sink. Said there
was no running water and never had been. She was also not the only oddball
in the place. It was crawling with people who appeared homeless, mentally
ill, on drugs, drunk, etc. and the staff acted like they simply did not
care. I did not say this was a teenager. I don't know her age. I just
know that it was not a place we wanted to go back to. Filthy throughout and
the people in there made us uncomfortable.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 00:29:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>> t...
>>> > In article >,
>>> > says...
>>> >>
>>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> >
>>> >> > She's delusional.
>>> >>
>>> >> The woman in the sink may have been. I know I'm not. She is the one
>>> >> who
>>> >> told me there was no running water.
>>> >
>>> > You're the one who believed it.
>>>
>>> You're missing the point! The sink was unusable.
>>>
>> You said there was no running water and you didn't say anyone was
>> sitting IN the sink and didn't want to move. It's a cockamamie story
>> no matter how you put it, but it goes along with your personality.
>> You said in another thread that being moved from the table you're
>> already been served at to the bar is fine with you and now you take
>> the word of some sullen teenager ( whom you neglected to say at first
>> was sitting IN the sink doing who knows what) about no water as truth
>> enough to claim in rfc that there was no running water in the
>> bathroom. My god, Julie. Buy a clue!
>
> Do you make notes as you go along or do you just have a good memory for
> someone who deserves a really good slam? Don't hold back sf, I am sure
> you
> can do much better.
>
> btw why are you in such a foul mood these days???

If she is making notes, she isn't doing a very good job of it! And I don't
remember every stinking detail. We moved from CA 10 years ago. I was just
responding to someone...I think it was Cheri who said McDonald's bathrooms
were always clean. They're not always.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 00:29:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
>
>>> You're missing the point! The sink was unusable.
>
> No, you're missing the point Julie, you're the one that *repeated*
> something as outlandish as "there was no running water, never had been" at
> a bathroom at McD's as a reason why not all bathrooms are clean and nice
> at said place. Common sense should tell anyone that is not true. You can
> have the last word with me.

No... I said that the woman was sitting in the sink and *told* me there was
no running water and never had been. The fact the the restaurant allowed
her to do this...she sort of looked like she lived in there, plus all the
other people who looked to have problems, was not a good thing. And the
restroom was filthy. And the workers appeared not to care. Bottom line,
anyone using that restroom could not use the sink *and* it was filthy.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 08/07/2013 1:10 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 00:29:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
>>>
>>> You're missing the point! The sink was unusable.
>>>
>> You said there was no running water and you didn't say anyone was
>> sitting IN the sink and didn't want to move. It's a cockamamie story
>> no matter how you put it, but it goes along with your personality.
>> You said in another thread that being moved from the table you're
>> already been served at to the bar is fine with you and now you take
>> the word of some sullen teenager ( whom you neglected to say at first
>> was sitting IN the sink doing who knows what) about no water as truth
>> enough to claim in rfc that there was no running water in the
>> bathroom. My god, Julie. Buy a clue!
>>
>
>
>
> Actually, based on what was quoted in someone else's reply to Bovine, she
> did say that there was someone sitting in the sink putting on make-up. I
> know it is hard to imagine someone actually sitting in the sink and
> putting on make-up, but consider the source. Bovine is desperate for
> attention so she has to make her stories ever more outlandish in order to
> stir things up and have people pay attention to her.

I didn't make up this story. It was very unpleasant.

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >,
> lid says...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:34:58 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >> > Ha! Not always clean. We made the mistake of going into the one by
>> >> > Golden Gate Park, mainly because I needed to use the restroom.
>> >> > Afterwards, the young woman sitting in the sink and applying her
>> >> > makeup
>> >> > informed me that there was no running water in there and never had
>> >> > been.
>> >> > Luckily I had baby wipes with me but... Eek! The we usually went
>> >> > to
>> >> > (not
>> >> > that we went there often) on Staten Island wasn't so great either.
>> >>
>> >> There was no running water in a McD's in SF? I don't believe that at
>> >> all,
>> >> unless they happened to be experiencing plumbing problems on that
>> >> particular
>> >> day. How did they flush the toilets without water?
>> >>
>> > She's delusional.
>>
>> Has it occurred to you that the woman sitting IN the
>> sink just didn't want to move and gave that story so that she didn't have
>> to? I man, how often do you see people sitting IN sinks.
>
> Exactly, Einstein. So why did that not occur to Julie. Instead, Julie
> repeats the obvious fantasy as the basis for her claim that MacDonalds
> is NOT CLEAN.

Doesn't matter if it occurred to me or not! She wasn't the only oddball in
there and the staff allowed this! They were also quite rude to my husband
when he commented on their high prices. And we had to go back for
something. Can't remember what that was. Straw, napkin, not sure. Was 10
years ago. They were rude then too! So I highly doubted that my pointing
out the woman in the sink would have gotten them to do anything about it.
Plus the restroom was filthy!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 12:56:52 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> lid says...
>> >
>> > "sf" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:34:58 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> > >> ...
>> > >>
>> > >> > Ha! Not always clean. We made the mistake of going into the one
>> > >> > by
>> > >> > Golden Gate Park, mainly because I needed to use the restroom.
>> > >> > Afterwards, the young woman sitting in the sink and applying her
>> > >> > makeup
>> > >> > informed me that there was no running water in there and never
>> > >> > had
>> > >> > been.
>> > >> > Luckily I had baby wipes with me but... Eek! The we usually went
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > (not
>> > >> > that we went there often) on Staten Island wasn't so great either.
>> > >>
>> > >> There was no running water in a McD's in SF? I don't believe that at
>> > >> all,
>> > >> unless they happened to be experiencing plumbing problems on that
>> > >> particular
>> > >> day. How did they flush the toilets without water?
>> > >>
>> > > She's delusional.
>> >
>> > Has it occurred to you that the woman sitting IN the
>> > sink just didn't want to move and gave that story so that she didn't
>> > have
>> > to? I man, how often do you see people sitting IN sinks.
>>
>> Exactly, Einstein. So why did that not occur to Julie. Instead, Julie
>> repeats the obvious fantasy as the basis for her claim that MacDonalds
>> is NOT CLEAN.
>>
> Also, that McDonald's is not inside GG Park but at one end. It is at
> the end of Haight St. that stops at the park. The Haight itself isn't
> the best area of town. It's populated with lots of homeless, druggies
> and other unsavory types (like the one occupying the wash basin) who
> hang out at that end of the park and up Haight St, so I'm not
> surprised the bathroom was a mess. Bathrooms are usually cleaned up
> hourly and bathrooms in an area like that can go downhill quickly.
> I've been to that particular McDonald's and it's never been in the
> condition she describes, but it's certainly possible considering the
> likely customers. I think the McD's she's talking about even has a
> security guard. If that wasn't a big enough clue, then she's
> hopelessly lost in the fog.

I *never* said it was in the park. I said it was *by* there. Remember,
this was 10+ years ago and I was only there the one time. I wasn't driving
so didn't pay really close attention to where it was because I certainly
wasn't going to go back! I can't even remember why we went there because it
never would have been my choice. I may have been having low blood sugar and
had to eat right away. I just don't remember. I do remember there was some
reason why my husband went there and would not go anywhere else but the rest
of the details are hazy. If there was a security guard, I don't remember.
I do remember seeing signs about security and cars but that's not uncommon.

On 2013-07-08 15:45:02 +0000, Dave Smith said:

> On 08/07/2013 9:36 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> Has it occurred to you that the woman sitting IN the
>>> sink just didn't want to move and gave that story so that she didn't have
>>> to? I man, how often do you see people sitting IN sinks. Julie had no way
>>> to prove otherwise did she? Would you start an argument with some loonie
>>> sitting IN a sink?
>>
>> Regardless of whether the sink worked or not, Julie said the bathroom was
>> filthy so she wouldn't have used it anyway.
>
> No regardless about it or not. It never happened.

You're acting like it's not possible. It is indeed possible. Plumbing,
despite the name on the building, happens! Taking Bove's word as
absolute that someone else said, as an absolute, that it "had never
worked" certainly sounds false. But that running water (in the sink)
most surely is false: City/County health inspectors would have had to
okay the restaurant's operation, in myriad ways, before they'd have
been given a licence. Running water in the bathrooms is VERY HIGH on
the list.

Neverthlesss, I've been to fast food chains where the bathrooms had
neither toilet paper nor soap, nor, on rare occasion, operable hot
water in the sink. I can't imagine that McDonald's is immue from this.
This is due to the the idiots that run it, and McDonald's franchises
are run by the employees of the franchise owners, not the McDonald's
board of director's nor by "stated policy". Incompetence happen.

> McD's, despite the quality of their food, which some people actually
> like, would not allow a store in the chain that did not have running
> water in the bathroom.

McDonald's diligently maintains consistency in all regards, including
the "taste" of their foods. Nevertheless, sometimes a franchise fails;
for the most part it is run by minimum-wage workers. In discussing this
group of people in topics past I've concluded that some here barely
even consider them humans. So you'd figure there'd be some wiggle room
in "perfection".

On 2013-07-08 04:57:57 +0000, sf said:

> On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 17:41:38 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> Do you think that McDs would allow on of its outlets without running
>> water? I am no fan of McDs food, but I cannot believe that.
>
> Do you think the CITY would let them get away with it? Patrons would
> be reporting it right and left and they'd be all over that place to be
> in compliance or close.

Absolutely. Though I find from periodic perusal of local restaurant
closures, that more closings are initiated by the county than by
customers. 109 vs. 6 in the past 60 days. I check the list periodically.

Every rfc'r who eats should have a link to their local health board.
Here's my local closings (109 in Orange County, CA) over the past 60
days:

http://tinyurl.com/lboatls

"M Cutie" among others, is particulary good for laughs. It's a
Vietnamese place that sells coffee, illegal gambling and
chicks-in-hotpants as topless as the law (which doesn't allow). I
accidentally went in there to get a java to go and everybody behind the
counter scrambled out of the room. The remaing pair of hot pants glared
at me while I tried to order coffee, then I thought better of it and
scrammed. It was summer time and the place smelled of perfume,
cigarettes (illegal of course), BO and never-changed AC filters.

Among their crimes "Living/Sleeping within the facility". And that's
not even a major violation:

http://tinyurl.com/l2lextp

I went looking for the San Francisco equivalent and found it less than
forthcoming. You have to ask about specific restaurants, rather than
being told. Anyway, this was as close as I could get:

http://www.sfdph.org/dph/EH/Food/Score/default.asp

Not hardly close enough!

In article >, says...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 02:14:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Either way, I could not use the sink. So it was unhygienic.
> >
> > That is not the restaurant's fault.
>
> It is because they allowed it to happen!

To "allow " it, they would have had to know she was there blocking the
sink.. You said you didn't tell the staff about it.

Janet UK