"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 19:11:11 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Nobody lives at that house. Nobody is usually outside. The owner did
>> whack
>> down the crap of a yard a few weeks back. He was in there working today.
>> Other neighbors are very unobservant. As I said... Jazzy walked around
>> V_____'s legs twice then about two minutes later she turned around and
>> said
>> there had been no cats in her yard.
>
> I think it's possible you were hallucinating.
>
> You keep talking about the neighbors house with the bushes... was
> somebody there today or not? It's kinda hard to follow this saga as
> you're telling it.

Yes. Someone was in that house. The owner. But not for a long time. He
is remodeling. He does not live there. V_____ lives next door to him but
there is no fence separating their yards. I was in his yard and she
hollered over to me that she had seen no cats right after I saw Jazzy
walking all around her. To be fair, Jazzy was behind her.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:56:58 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 7/7/2013 8:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> You hired a pet psychic? <slapping knee>. Why doesn't this surprise
>>> me?
>>>
>> I didn't want to be the first to say that silly.
>
> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can communicate
> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only "in
> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>
> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there who will
> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of having a
> loved one returned to you.
>
>> BTW, I don't believe *any* cat that got stuck in some bushes wouldn't
>> have been yelling its head off. And found/rescued by someone.
>
> Yes, cats tend to do that.
>
> I wish I could have heard the whole conversation between Julie and her
> psychic Ace Ventura. Just to see how they operate.

Don't be unkind. If Julie wants to pin some belief on that, at least it
gives her some hope
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In article >, says...
>

> Our yard is very easy to search. We have a few trees and not many bushes
> left at all. They were older and the gardener took them out. It is well
> lit.

Is it an underground yard then? No daylight?
Wait a minute, I'm channelling here.

You've been beating around the wrong bushes, Julie; Bali dug his way
through to the sewers. He loves being able to poop wherever he likes,
so much nicer than that scratchy old tray, and there's so many tasty
rats to eat he aint never coming back home. He said to tell you thanks,
and btw that was not cat pee on the den floor.

Psychic Pussy (git down, Bryan)

In article >, says...

> Other neighbors are very unobservant. As I said... Jazzy walked around
> V_____'s legs twice then about two minutes later she turned around and said
> there had been no cats in her yard.

How do you know what Jazzy did? Is that information from the pet
psychic?

Janet UK

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>
>> Other neighbors are very unobservant. As I said... Jazzy walked around
>> V_____'s legs twice then about two minutes later she turned around and
>> said
>> there had been no cats in her yard.
>
> How do you know what Jazzy did? Is that information from the pet
> psychic?

OMFG! I will say it again. Angela and I were sitting in the yard next door
as several people told us to do. It was dusk. V_____'s yard is next to the
one we were sitting in and there is no fence separating them. We saw Jazzy
walking around her legs. Now where Jazzy was before that, I don't know. I
just happened to look over and see her. Then maybe 2 minutes later she
turned around and said that she was sorry but she hadn't seen any cats in
her yard.

On 7/9/2013 5:17 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:56:58 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/7/2013 8:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> You hired a pet psychic? <slapping knee>. Why doesn't this surprise
>>>> me?
>>>>
>>> I didn't want to be the first to say that silly.
>>
>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can communicate
>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only "in
>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>>
>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there who will
>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of having a
>> loved one returned to you.
>>
>>> BTW, I don't believe *any* cat that got stuck in some bushes wouldn't
>>> have been yelling its head off. And found/rescued by someone.
>>
>> Yes, cats tend to do that.
>>
>> I wish I could have heard the whole conversation between Julie and her
>> psychic Ace Ventura. Just to see how they operate.
>
> Don't be unkind. If Julie wants to pin some belief on that, at least it
> gives her some hope

I, for one, am not trying to be unkind. But the story makes no sense.
If she saw Jazzy, she should have snatched her up and taken her inside.
Then gone looking for Bali. If he's "stuck in the bushes" (which I
doubt) she would have found him by now.

How the heck does a cat get stuck in the bushes, anyway?

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/9/2013 5:17 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:56:58 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/7/2013 8:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You hired a pet psychic? <slapping knee>. Why doesn't this surprise
>>>>> me?
>>>>>
>>>> I didn't want to be the first to say that silly.
>>>
>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can communicate
>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only "in
>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>>>
>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there who will
>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of having a
>>> loved one returned to you.
>>>
>>>> BTW, I don't believe *any* cat that got stuck in some bushes wouldn't
>>>> have been yelling its head off. And found/rescued by someone.
>>>
>>> Yes, cats tend to do that.
>>>
>>> I wish I could have heard the whole conversation between Julie and her
>>> psychic Ace Ventura. Just to see how they operate.
>>
>> Don't be unkind. If Julie wants to pin some belief on that, at least it
>> gives her some hope
>
> I, for one, am not trying to be unkind. But the story makes no sense. If
> she saw Jazzy, she should have snatched her up and taken her inside. Then
> gone looking for Bali. If he's "stuck in the bushes" (which I doubt) she
> would have found him by now.
>
> How the heck does a cat get stuck in the bushes, anyway?

I have no idea I just feel sad that she is missing her cats for whatever
reason.
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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can communicate
>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only "in
>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>>>
>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>
> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>
>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>>
>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there who will
>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of having a
>>> loved one returned to you.
>>
>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news show said.
>
> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for her must
> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a "news
> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more advertising
> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the FCC
> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may devote to
> advertising).
>
>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>>
>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>
> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.

Making money from people who are upset and desperate for help
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On 7/9/2013 9:48 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> I could communicate with a cat once.
> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>
You're a nasty little man.

"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

I, for one, am not trying to be unkind. But the story makes no sense.
If she saw Jazzy, she should have snatched her up and taken her inside.
Then gone looking for Bali. If he's "stuck in the bushes" (which I
doubt) she would have found him by now.

How the heck does a cat get stuck in the bushes, anyway?

Jill

~~~~~~
I can't think of any way a cat would get stuck in bushes unless she were
wearing a collar and got caught by the collar. Cats are remarkably
resilient and agile little critters. A cat might come out of brambles with
all sorts of debris stuck to its fur, but it should be able to make its way
out of that type of situation. Incidentally, I do oppose having a collar on
a cat because they can become caught on twigs or bushes. If a collar is
used, it certainly should be the break-away type.

MaryL

Susan > wrote in :

> On the two occasions that one of my previous cats got out and hung
> around near the house, we were out there constantly until we snagged him.
>
> We never stopped trying until we got him. One time he was under a porch
> and my poor husband had to crawl under to get him, the next time he was
> hanging at a wood pile but skittish til we were able to lure him close
> enough with some food and then use a long handled net.
>


My pooch used to roam free... and all I had to do was give a whistle, even
if I couldn't see her, and she'd come trotting back and go jump on her bed,
or to wherever I was.


Why bother with something that you have to hunt down and capture every time
to get it back to a warm bed, food, and safety?



--
Peter
Brisbane
Australia

Success isn't so difficult.
Just bite off more than you can chew,
then go do it.

On 7/9/2013 12:41 PM, MaryL wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>
> I, for one, am not trying to be unkind. But the story makes no sense.
> If she saw Jazzy, she should have snatched her up and taken her inside.
> Then gone looking for Bali. If he's "stuck in the bushes" (which I
> doubt) she would have found him by now.
>
> How the heck does a cat get stuck in the bushes, anyway?
>
> Jill
>
> ~~~~~~
> I can't think of any way a cat would get stuck in bushes unless she were
> wearing a collar and got caught by the collar. Cats are remarkably
> resilient and agile little critters. A cat might come out of brambles
> with all sorts of debris stuck to its fur, but it should be able to make
> its way out of that type of situation. Incidentally, I do oppose having
> a collar on a cat because they can become caught on twigs or bushes. If
> a collar is used, it certainly should be the break-away type.
>
> MaryL
>
Persia wears a break-away collar. If she gets stuck on something all
she has to do is tug hard (and a stuck cat *will* scramble to get loose)
it comes off. Pretty simple.

I'm also an advocate of micro-chipping pets. If there's even a chance
an pet (even an indoor-only pet) might escape, have them microchipped.
The first thing vets and shelters do if someone brings in a "found" pet,
they scan them for a chip.

Jill

"I'm back" > wrote in message
...
> Susan > wrote in :
>
>> On the two occasions that one of my previous cats got out and hung
>> around near the house, we were out there constantly until we snagged him.
>>
>> We never stopped trying until we got him. One time he was under a porch
>> and my poor husband had to crawl under to get him, the next time he was
>> hanging at a wood pile but skittish til we were able to lure him close
>> enough with some food and then use a long handled net.
>>
>
>
> My pooch used to roam free... and all I had to do was give a whistle, even
> if I couldn't see her, and she'd come trotting back and go jump on her
> bed,
> or to wherever I was.
>
>
> Why bother with something that you have to hunt down and capture every
> time
> to get it back to a warm bed, food, and safety?

Pets that are allowed to roam free often times come to a bad end, especially
in cities. In the country you have to worry about other predators. Sometimes
an animal gets away and is frightened so badly by the experience that you do
have to coax them even if they know you. If you love your pets, you always
bother!!!!

Cheri

On 7/9/2013 11:48 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> he's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>> >
>> >http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>
> -sw

For some reason this sounds like hiring a "water dowser". Gee, pop, the
well ran dry! No problem, I've got my trusty forked hickory stick. Or
willow, depending upon which charlatain you wish to believe. "I'm
feeling the power!" (I've been watching too many Westerns LOL)

Being an "elderly lady" doesn't accord her credibility. It simply means
she's elderly.

Jill

On 09/07/2013 1:11 PM, Cheri wrote:

>>
>> Why bother with something that you have to hunt down and capture every
>> time
>> to get it back to a warm bed, food, and safety?
>
> Pets that are allowed to roam free often times come to a bad end,
> especially in cities. In the country you have to worry about other
> predators. Sometimes an animal gets away and is frightened so badly by
> the experience that you do have to coax them even if they know you. If
> you love your pets, you always bother!!!!
>
>


I don't dare let my dog loose near the house. He will head for the road.
He had broken collars and made a dash for the road..... three times...
one choke chain and two training collars. After a lot of work I was
able to let him ruin free in the fields behind us so he can get a good run.

We used to have cats. They were good companions for the dogs and the
kept the population down, but due to my wife's allergies they were not
allowed in the house. He lost a few to the road, but more to coyotes.

The people behind us had free range turkeys. The birds roamed the back
40 all day long and were penned up at night. The owners went away one
weekend and left the turkeys to forage for themselves for a few days.
The coyotes had a feast.... all 18 of the turkeys.

On 7/9/2013 1:11 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "I'm back" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Why bother with something that you have to hunt down and capture every
>> time to get it back to a warm bed, food, and safety?
>
> Pets that are allowed to roam free often times come to a bad end,
> especially in cities. In the country you have to worry about other
> predators. Sometimes an animal gets away and is frightened so badly by
> the experience that you do have to coax them even if they know you. If
> you love your pets, you always bother!!!!
>
> Cheri

Obviously Peter Lucas doesn't care about pets.

Jill

Cheri wrote:
>
> Pets that are allowed to roam free often times come to a bad end, especially
> in cities.

I read once that in cities and suburbs, the #1 cause of outdoor cat death is
getting hit by a car.

To give hope to Julie though, I had a cat once that was indoor/outdoor. One
day he decided to go on a "walkabout." After several days missing I
constantly checked the SPCA and Animal Control to see if he was picked up.
Eventually, I gave him up for dead.

Then late one Friday night about 3 weeks later, I heard scratching on my
front door and a couple of loud, "MEOWS." I opened the door and there he
was and he brought home a girlfriend. A stray persian cat. I figured she
was stray or abandoned because most of her long cotton-like fur was very
matted.

She became my new cat and eventually she trusted me enough to trim her fur.
She was very standoffish. Even when she finally adopted me, she never liked
to be held. She would always go into any room that I was in though just to
be near me. I suspected that she was abused somewhere before she came to my
home.

G.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 03:17:14 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> t...
>>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>>> Other neighbors are very unobservant. As I said... Jazzy walked
>>>> around
>>>> V_____'s legs twice then about two minutes later she turned around and
>>>> said
>>>> there had been no cats in her yard.
>>>
>>> How do you know what Jazzy did? Is that information from the pet
>>> psychic?
>>
>> OMFG! I will say it again. Angela and I were sitting in the yard next
>> door
>> as several people told us to do. It was dusk. V_____'s yard is next to
>> the
>> one we were sitting in and there is no fence separating them. We saw
>> Jazzy
>> walking around her legs. Now where Jazzy was before that, I don't know.
>> I
>> just happened to look over and see her. Then maybe 2 minutes later she
>> turned around and said that she was sorry but she hadn't seen any cats in
>> her yard.
>
> Why didn't you go overt and get your cat if you saw it over there?

For one thing I am disabled. By the time I would have walked over there she
would have been gone. For another it is clear that she does not want to be
gotten now. I think she is still out either looking for her daughter or if
she is trapped, trying to get her out of there. Also when indoor cats get
outdoors they are very frightened and usually will not let you get them.
Maui was the same way. Would hiss and run when I approached her. We
finally got her in the trap. We can't trap our cats now because of the
raccoon. It and a big black crow ate the tuna that I put out. It's on the
wildlife cam. Other cam was not positioned properly. Will redo them and
not put any food out after we go to bed. Hopefully we can trap the raccoon
and that will be one less problem. Pics show it trying to get in our
sliding door.
>
> I don't think I'm the only one having trouble understanding.
>
Okay...

> I also thought you didn't have access to that yard (why didn't you ask
> the owner if he was there yesterday?!?). In any event, I would hop
> the fence knowing that I would not be bothering anyone (you said the
> house was empty). Or in your case, have your husband hop the fence.
> At least that way you can clear your mind of the mystic berry bushes.

I have access to the yard next door and V_____'s yard. Those are the only
two yard I have access too. I am sure that the people on the other side of
me would let me go back there but I didn't ask. They have a very small
yard, neatly trimmed and mostly vegetables growing. Have seen no sign of
the cat going over there. But V_____'s yard is next to the one where the
stream is. I presume that is where the animals are getting water. And
that's the one I can't get into.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/9/2013 5:17 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:56:58 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/7/2013 8:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You hired a pet psychic? <slapping knee>. Why doesn't this surprise
>>>>> me?
>>>>>
>>>> I didn't want to be the first to say that silly.
>>>
>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can communicate
>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only "in
>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>>>
>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there who will
>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of having a
>>> loved one returned to you.
>>>
>>>> BTW, I don't believe *any* cat that got stuck in some bushes wouldn't
>>>> have been yelling its head off. And found/rescued by someone.
>>>
>>> Yes, cats tend to do that.
>>>
>>> I wish I could have heard the whole conversation between Julie and her
>>> psychic Ace Ventura. Just to see how they operate.
>>
>> Don't be unkind. If Julie wants to pin some belief on that, at least it
>> gives her some hope
>
> I, for one, am not trying to be unkind. But the story makes no sense. If
> she saw Jazzy, she should have snatched her up and taken her inside. Then
> gone looking for Bali. If he's "stuck in the bushes" (which I doubt) she
> would have found him by now.
>
> How the heck does a cat get stuck in the bushes, anyway?

I can not snatch her up because she runs when I get near her. On a good day
she does not like to get picked up at all. Neither cat does. She loves to
be petted but prefers to lay down and roll around when I pet her.

As for the bushes, I have gotten stuck myself in those blackberries. They
are very bad. I am covered with scratches from head to toe and I think I
have a little piece of thorn that broke off in my finger. And I did see a
little tuft of fur there so something was stuck there at some point. Did
not appear to be Bali's fur though. And both of my cats are girls. There
is no "he".

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/9/2013 5:17 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:56:58 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/7/2013 8:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You hired a pet psychic? <slapping knee>. Why doesn't this surprise
>>>>>> me?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't want to be the first to say that silly.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can communicate
>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only "in
>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>>>>
>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there who will
>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of having a
>>>> loved one returned to you.
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, I don't believe *any* cat that got stuck in some bushes wouldn't
>>>>> have been yelling its head off. And found/rescued by someone.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, cats tend to do that.
>>>>
>>>> I wish I could have heard the whole conversation between Julie and her
>>>> psychic Ace Ventura. Just to see how they operate.
>>>
>>> Don't be unkind. If Julie wants to pin some belief on that, at least it
>>> gives her some hope
>>
>> I, for one, am not trying to be unkind. But the story makes no sense. If
>> she saw Jazzy, she should have snatched her up and taken her inside. Then
>> gone looking for Bali. If he's "stuck in the bushes" (which I doubt) she
>> would have found him by now.
>>
>> How the heck does a cat get stuck in the bushes, anyway?
>
> I have no idea I just feel sad that she is missing her cats for
> whatever reason.

The yard where I presumed her to be (but she doesn't seem to be) was owned
by a hoarder. I didn't realize just how bad things were until he moved out.
And then it got worse to my eyes after they started cleaning the house out.
He was trying to remodel it and kept throwing crap in the back yard. At the
back of the yard where the blackberries are now, appears to have been a
compost pile at some point. Maybe not his. Maybe the owner prior. But...
He threw all kinds of construction stuff and garbage back there. He
generally only whacked down the grass once a year, on July 3. But the year
that he left, he did not do this. So two years of growth. As you can
imagine, the weeds and what little grass was left was over 5 feet tall so we
couldn't really see what was in there and it was dangerous to try to walk in
it. I contacted the city. He did have some violations and they set about
cleaning up the back.

Meanwhile the bank came out and began hauling out what was in the house.
Three times the driveway was full of black garbage bags. And the things
were all hauled away. He left for Sweden with just a few suitcases and left
everything else.

Then at some point, a realtor bought the house. Her husband is now working
on finishing it up so they can move it. But he is mostly working alone and
from what we can see doing mostly decorative stuff. No walls, floor or
ceiling. And yet the woman told V_____ that they would be moved in by the
end of summer. I just don't see it happening.

But once again, the weedy crap was up to about 5 feet high. The guy whacked
down most of it with one of those devices with the spinning fishing line
type thing. But he didn't do much if anything to the back where the
blackberries are. It's a combination of blackberries, nettles and those
ferns that grow along with the nettles. Also some wildflowers, assorted
weeds and a few trees. And parts of it are elevated due to the old compost
pile. Because the blackberries are so thick it is tough to get around or
through. I had to beat down a path around the edges where the fence was.
It was either that or cut through the stuff and I'm not about to go cutting
someone else's things. But the blackberries seem to have recovered quickly
because even where I trampled them, they are springing back up.

When Maui was lost on Staten Island, she too got stuck in the bushes but for
different reasons. No blackberries there but burrs. Not sure what the
plant was but it gave off little round things that were covered with
stickers. Those things will trap you! When she was finally trapped she was
pretty well covered head to toe. My neighbor began picking them off of her
after she called us and by the time we got back there from PA (about 2
hours), she still had some on her.

When cats get scared, they run in fright and don't necessarily make the best
decisions. Now Jazzy seems to be pretty smart and I am not sure she would
get herself in such a pickle. But Bali? Well I can see why mom doesn't
want to leave her side. She is the one curiosity will kill. She just does
one dumb thing after another. She has gotten herself stuck in our house a
few times. Gets up somewhere high and then can't figure out how to get
down.

On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 14:12:03 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Pets that are allowed to roam free often times come to a bad end, especially
>> in cities.
>
>I read once that in cities and suburbs, the #1 cause of outdoor cat death is
>getting hit by a car.
>
>To give hope to Julie though, I had a cat once that was indoor/outdoor. One
>day he decided to go on a "walkabout." After several days missing I
>constantly checked the SPCA and Animal Control to see if he was picked up.
>Eventually, I gave him up for dead.
>
>Then late one Friday night about 3 weeks later, I heard scratching on my
>front door and a couple of loud, "MEOWS." I opened the door and there he
>was and he brought home a girlfriend. A stray persian cat. I figured she
>was stray or abandoned because most of her long cotton-like fur was very
>matted.
>
>She became my new cat and eventually she trusted me enough to trim her fur.
>She was very standoffish. Even when she finally adopted me, she never liked
>to be held. She would always go into any room that I was in though just to
>be near me. I suspected that she was abused somewhere before she came to my
>home.

Your girlfriend's hair would be all matted too if all yoose did for
three weeks was to screw each other's brains out.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Pets that are allowed to roam free often times come to a bad end,
>> especially
>> in cities.
>
> I read once that in cities and suburbs, the #1 cause of outdoor cat death
> is
> getting hit by a car.
>
Probably. Thankfully they are not near the road. Bali was terrified of the
road. But the problem here is predators.

> To give hope to Julie though, I had a cat once that was indoor/outdoor.
> One
> day he decided to go on a "walkabout." After several days missing I
> constantly checked the SPCA and Animal Control to see if he was picked up.
> Eventually, I gave him up for dead.
>
> Then late one Friday night about 3 weeks later, I heard scratching on my
> front door and a couple of loud, "MEOWS." I opened the door and there he
> was and he brought home a girlfriend. A stray persian cat. I figured she
> was stray or abandoned because most of her long cotton-like fur was very
> matted.
>
> She became my new cat and eventually she trusted me enough to trim her
> fur.
> She was very standoffish. Even when she finally adopted me, she never
> liked
> to be held. She would always go into any room that I was in though just
> to
> be near me. I suspected that she was abused somewhere before she came to
> my
> home.

Husband said he saw Jazzy this morning but he got all excited and yelled and
she ran off.

"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>
> I, for one, am not trying to be unkind. But the story makes no sense.
> If she saw Jazzy, she should have snatched her up and taken her inside.
> Then gone looking for Bali. If he's "stuck in the bushes" (which I
> doubt) she would have found him by now.
>
> How the heck does a cat get stuck in the bushes, anyway?
>
> Jill
>
> ~~~~~~
> I can't think of any way a cat would get stuck in bushes unless she were
> wearing a collar and got caught by the collar. Cats are remarkably
> resilient and agile little critters. A cat might come out of brambles
> with all sorts of debris stuck to its fur, but it should be able to make
> its way out of that type of situation. Incidentally, I do oppose having a
> collar on a cat because they can become caught on twigs or bushes. If a
> collar is used, it certainly should be the break-away type.

I have gotten stuck in these blackberries countless times. The only way to
get out is to use my hand to pull the branch away. A cat couldn't do that!

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/9/2013 12:41 PM, MaryL wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>>
>> I, for one, am not trying to be unkind. But the story makes no sense.
>> If she saw Jazzy, she should have snatched her up and taken her inside.
>> Then gone looking for Bali. If he's "stuck in the bushes" (which I
>> doubt) she would have found him by now.
>>
>> How the heck does a cat get stuck in the bushes, anyway?
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> ~~~~~~
>> I can't think of any way a cat would get stuck in bushes unless she were
>> wearing a collar and got caught by the collar. Cats are remarkably
>> resilient and agile little critters. A cat might come out of brambles
>> with all sorts of debris stuck to its fur, but it should be able to make
>> its way out of that type of situation. Incidentally, I do oppose having
>> a collar on a cat because they can become caught on twigs or bushes. If
>> a collar is used, it certainly should be the break-away type.
>>
>> MaryL
>>
> Persia wears a break-away collar. If she gets stuck on something all she
> has to do is tug hard (and a stuck cat *will* scramble to get loose) it
> comes off. Pretty simple.
>
> I'm also an advocate of micro-chipping pets. If there's even a chance an
> pet (even an indoor-only pet) might escape, have them microchipped. The
> first thing vets and shelters do if someone brings in a "found" pet, they
> scan them for a chip.

Mine are chipped. Pet detective said they are finding that the chips don't
always work.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can communicate
>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only "in
>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>>>
>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>
> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>
>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>>
>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there who will
>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of having a
>>> loved one returned to you.
>>
>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news show said.
>
> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for her must
> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a "news
> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more advertising
> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the FCC
> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may devote to
> advertising).
>
>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>>
>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>
> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.

Well she did at least seem to get one part right. About a gray tabby. The
fur I found on the step was for sure from a gray tabby.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/9/2013 11:48 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> he's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>>> >
>>> >http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>>
>> -sw
>
> For some reason this sounds like hiring a "water dowser". Gee, pop, the
> well ran dry! No problem, I've got my trusty forked hickory stick. Or
> willow, depending upon which charlatain you wish to believe. "I'm feeling
> the power!" (I've been watching too many Westerns LOL)
>
> Being an "elderly lady" doesn't accord her credibility. It simply means
> she's elderly.

I know how to do that. Have tried it many times over my lifetime. Tried it
yesterday with a ring on a string. Kept leading me to a particular part of
the bushes where the psychic said she was. But she wasn't there. FWIW,
using that method has never worked for me but at this point I will try
anything. If she is truly stuck somewhere and in need of assistance, I want
to find her!

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:13:48 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Why didn't you go overt and get your cat if you saw it over there?
>>
>> For one thing I am disabled. By the time I would have walked over there
>> she
>> would have been gone.
>
> Now you're making excuses for not going and recovering your cat. You
> also said Angela was with you. Is she disabled, too?
>
The cat was clear in another yard. Do you think cats just stand still and
wait for people to go pick them up? Angela didn't see her. I think she was
looking in the bushes at the time. I can't remember. This was quite a few
days ago now.

> I'm snipping the rest of the excuses. It's clear to me that you're
> not handling this correctly.

Wrong. I am doing everything they say to do. We are leaving soon to check
the two shelters. Don't think Bali is there but will check.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Husband said he saw Jazzy this morning but he got all excited and yelled and
> she ran off.

I'm losing track here. Is Jazzy the long missing one?

G.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...


"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>
> I, for one, am not trying to be unkind. But the story makes no sense.
> If she saw Jazzy, she should have snatched her up and taken her inside.
> Then gone looking for Bali. If he's "stuck in the bushes" (which I
> doubt) she would have found him by now.
>
> How the heck does a cat get stuck in the bushes, anyway?
>
> Jill
>
> ~~~~~~
> I can't think of any way a cat would get stuck in bushes unless she were
> wearing a collar and got caught by the collar. Cats are remarkably
> resilient and agile little critters. A cat might come out of brambles
> with all sorts of debris stuck to its fur, but it should be able to make
> its way out of that type of situation. Incidentally, I do oppose having a
> collar on a cat because they can become caught on twigs or bushes. If a
> collar is used, it certainly should be the break-away type.

I have gotten stuck in these blackberries countless times. The only way to
get out is to use my hand to pull the branch away. A cat couldn't do that!

~~~~~~~~
You are not a cat. Cats are much smaller and more agile than humans. I
can't claim that it is impossible for a cat without a collar to become
"stuck" in blackberries, but it would be so unusual that I have never heard
of it. Moreover, when I was young I used to go horseback riding beside the
type of area you described. I would pick blackberries from horseback while
riding at the very edge of those brambles. I would often see rabbits, birds
and even cats come running out.

MaryL

On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:16:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:13:48 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Why didn't you go overt and get your cat if you saw it over there?
>>>
>>> For one thing I am disabled. By the time I would have walked over there
>>> she
>>> would have been gone.
>>
>> Now you're making excuses for not going and recovering your cat. You
>> also said Angela was with you. Is she disabled, too?
>>
>The cat was clear in another yard. Do you think cats just stand still and
>wait for people to go pick them up? Angela didn't see her. I think she was
>looking in the bushes at the time. I can't remember. This was quite a few
>days ago now.
>
>> I'm snipping the rest of the excuses. It's clear to me that you're
>> not handling this correctly.
>
>Wrong. I am doing everything they say to do. We are leaving soon to check
>the two shelters. Don't think Bali is there but will check.

You are a miserable pet person, there is never a reason a pet should
end up at a shelter... if you were at a shelter I'd have them
euthanize you, you worthless ****. It's a worthless cellulite fat
assed **** contest between Bove and sf.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> Husband said he saw Jazzy this morning but he got all excited and yelled
>> and
>> she ran off.
>
> I'm losing track here. Is Jazzy the long missing one?

They've both been gone for the same length of time. But we keep spotting
Jazzy. Bali is the one we have not seen since right after they got out.

"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "MaryL" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>>
>> I, for one, am not trying to be unkind. But the story makes no sense.
>> If she saw Jazzy, she should have snatched her up and taken her inside.
>> Then gone looking for Bali. If he's "stuck in the bushes" (which I
>> doubt) she would have found him by now.
>>
>> How the heck does a cat get stuck in the bushes, anyway?
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> ~~~~~~
>> I can't think of any way a cat would get stuck in bushes unless she were
>> wearing a collar and got caught by the collar. Cats are remarkably
>> resilient and agile little critters. A cat might come out of brambles
>> with all sorts of debris stuck to its fur, but it should be able to make
>> its way out of that type of situation. Incidentally, I do oppose having
>> a collar on a cat because they can become caught on twigs or bushes. If
>> a collar is used, it certainly should be the break-away type.
>
> I have gotten stuck in these blackberries countless times. The only way
> to
> get out is to use my hand to pull the branch away. A cat couldn't do
> that!
>
> ~~~~~~~~
> You are not a cat. Cats are much smaller and more agile than humans. I
> can't claim that it is impossible for a cat without a collar to become
> "stuck" in blackberries, but it would be so unusual that I have never
> heard of it. Moreover, when I was young I used to go horseback riding
> beside the type of area you described. I would pick blackberries from
> horseback while riding at the very edge of those brambles. I would often
> see rabbits, birds and even cats come running out.

Could be. Not sure what brambles are though.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:16:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:13:48 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't you go overt and get your cat if you saw it over there?
>>>>
>>>> For one thing I am disabled. By the time I would have walked over
>>>> there
>>>> she
>>>> would have been gone.
>>>
>>> Now you're making excuses for not going and recovering your cat. You
>>> also said Angela was with you. Is she disabled, too?
>>>
>>The cat was clear in another yard. Do you think cats just stand still and
>>wait for people to go pick them up? Angela didn't see her. I think she
>>was
>>looking in the bushes at the time. I can't remember. This was quite a
>>few
>>days ago now.
>>
>>> I'm snipping the rest of the excuses. It's clear to me that you're
>>> not handling this correctly.
>>
>>Wrong. I am doing everything they say to do. We are leaving soon to
>>check
>>the two shelters. Don't think Bali is there but will check.
>
> You are a miserable pet person, there is never a reason a pet should
> end up at a shelter... if you were at a shelter I'd have them
> euthanize you, you worthless ****. It's a worthless cellulite fat
> assed **** contest between Bove and sf.

I have been told to check there. I don't think she is there seeing as how
they neighbors are all looking for it but I've been told I must do it.

On 7/9/2013 2:43 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> Husband said he saw Jazzy this morning but he got all excited and yelled
>>> and
>>> she ran off.
>>
>> I'm losing track here. Is Jazzy the long missing one?
>
> They've both been gone for the same length of time. But we keep spotting
> Jazzy. Bali is the one we have not seen since right after they got out.

Thinking out of the box for a moment, have you given any thought to
camping out overnight near the area you think that may have run off to?

Perhaps take a folding chair and warm clothes, flashlight, etc.

Is there a possibility that they'd respond to your presence and make
themselves known again?

I don't know if a camp-out would be safe where you live, but you might
tell a few neighbors so they're not alarmed and thus could keep an eye
on you.

On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:43:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> "MaryL" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> I, for one, am not trying to be unkind. But the story makes no sense.
>>> If she saw Jazzy, she should have snatched her up and taken her inside.
>>> Then gone looking for Bali. If he's "stuck in the bushes" (which I
>>> doubt) she would have found him by now.
>>>
>>> How the heck does a cat get stuck in the bushes, anyway?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~
>>> I can't think of any way a cat would get stuck in bushes unless she were
>>> wearing a collar and got caught by the collar. Cats are remarkably
>>> resilient and agile little critters. A cat might come out of brambles
>>> with all sorts of debris stuck to its fur, but it should be able to make
>>> its way out of that type of situation. Incidentally, I do oppose having
>>> a collar on a cat because they can become caught on twigs or bushes. If
>>> a collar is used, it certainly should be the break-away type.
>>
>> I have gotten stuck in these blackberries countless times. The only way
>> to
>> get out is to use my hand to pull the branch away. A cat couldn't do
>> that!
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~
>> You are not a cat. Cats are much smaller and more agile than humans. I
>> can't claim that it is impossible for a cat without a collar to become
>> "stuck" in blackberries, but it would be so unusual that I have never
>> heard of it. Moreover, when I was young I used to go horseback riding
>> beside the type of area you described. I would pick blackberries from
>> horseback while riding at the very edge of those brambles. I would often
>> see rabbits, birds and even cats come running out.
>
>Could be. Not sure what brambles are though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bramble

"...any rough, (usually wild) tangled prickly shrub, specifically the
blackberry bush (Rubus fruticosa), or any hybrid of similar
appearance, with thorny stems."

Doris

On 7/9/2013 3:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> I know how to do that. Have tried it many times over my lifetime. Tried it
> yesterday with a ring on a string. Kept leading me to a particular part of
> the bushes where the psychic said she was. But she wasn't there. FWIW,
> using that method has never worked for me but at this point I will try
> anything. If she is truly stuck somewhere and in need of assistance, I want
> to find her!

I'm really sorry Julie, but you're *not* trying everything. I was going
to avoid this thread because I don't want to jump on you along with
others, but you've been given good advice and you refuse. It's one
thing with food, but it's completely different when you refuse to try
suggestions to save a living being.

The psychic and the long distance pet detective are *not* going to find
Bali. The real methods of finding a lost pet will usually work, but
just sometimes not overnight, and of course never if something bad
happened to her. SMH

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On 7/9/2013 4:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> I have been told to check there. I don't think she is there seeing as how
> they neighbors are all looking for it but I've been told I must do it.

I'm so glad the neighbors are helping! Good luck Julie! Purrayers that
you find them!

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On 7/9/2013 10:57 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 03:17:14 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> t...
>>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>>> Other neighbors are very unobservant. As I said... Jazzy walked around
>>>> V_____'s legs twice then about two minutes later she turned around and
>>>> said
>>>> there had been no cats in her yard.
>>>
>>> How do you know what Jazzy did? Is that information from the pet
>>> psychic?
>>
>> OMFG! I will say it again. Angela and I were sitting in the yard next door
>> as several people told us to do. It was dusk. V_____'s yard is next to the
>> one we were sitting in and there is no fence separating them. We saw Jazzy
>> walking around her legs. Now where Jazzy was before that, I don't know. I
>> just happened to look over and see her. Then maybe 2 minutes later she
>> turned around and said that she was sorry but she hadn't seen any cats in
>> her yard.
>
> Why didn't you go overt and get your cat if you saw it over there?
>
Or yell over to V____ "hey, that's my cat! Please keep her there."
Sheesh. Suddenly the neighbor never saw the cat? They must be as nutty
as she is. Now you see a cat, now you don't.

> I don't think I'm the only one having trouble understanding.
>
No, you're not the only one.

> I also thought you didn't have access to that yard (why didn't you ask
> the owner if he was there yesterday?!?). In any event, I would hop
> the fence knowing that I would not be bothering anyone (you said the
> house was empty). Or in your case, have your husband hop the fence.
> At least that way you can clear your mind of the mystic berry bushes.
>
> -sw
>
Mystic Berry... sounds like good name for a band from the 1960's.

Jill

On 7/9/2013 1:11 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> Pets that are allowed to roam free often times come to a bad end,
> especially in cities. In the country you have to worry about other
> predators. Sometimes an animal gets away and is frightened so badly by
> the experience that you do have to coax them even if they know you. If
> you love your pets, you always bother!!!!

I live on a busy road and one of my cats got out one time. I was having
some minor work done at my house and the guy didn't latch the storm door
and Shamrock pushed it open. I didn't even know he was gone and then the
guy asked me if I had a black and white cat because he saw one out back
who wanted in. I said it can't be mine because mine don't go outside.
Then I realized I hadn't seen him in a while which wasn't unusual
because he always supervised workers in the house and never left their
side. Well long story short, I decided to go out and check and sure
enough it was him and he was frantic. Ran toward the road, I screamed
for him and he quickly changed direction and ran into the backyard. I
ran after him and he was HOWLING in fear and let me walk up to him, pick
him up and take him back in the house. After that, all cats are shut in
my bedroom when anyone is in the house doing some work.

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On 7/9/2013 1:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> I'm also an advocate of micro-chipping pets. If there's even a chance
> an pet (even an indoor-only pet) might escape, have them microchipped.
> The first thing vets and shelters do if someone brings in a "found" pet,
> they scan them for a chip.

All of mine are chipped, even my former feral. I chipped my sister's
cat when I took her in thinking I was keeping her. But she was
miserable here with my 4 and could never calm down so my sister took her
back after her move, about 3 months later. She immediately calmed down
and has been happy ever since. But if she gets lost the chip still says
she is my cat.

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