On 7/10/2013 12:03 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "casa bona" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Could you not camp out nearby, perhaps even in your own yard, anything to
>> get your scent and aura out there for her to sense?
>>
>> It's a long shot, but what if?
>>
>> Maybe Jazzy will sense you, come in, even lead you in the direction Bali
>> is.
>>
>> It's nerve wracking when cats do this.
>
> Here's the weird thing! Were going to go to my mom's house to take the
> remainder of the frozen food because my garage freezer quit working. Did
> not go because of a tire issue. *sigh* When it rains it pours here! Did
> toss out some food. Yes, I know somebody here will complain about that.
> But it amounted to about $6 worth of food. Not a biggie. Cooked a big
> dinner tonight and managed to get the rest in either the fridge or freezer.
>
> Anyway... Had called my mom to explain why we did not come over and as I
> was hanging up the phone, there was Jazzy on the deck. This time she
> sauntered around and let us get close. Did not appear to be upset and did
> not call out to us. Let Angela follow her next door. And where did she go?
>
> Yep! To that exact spot in the blackberries where the psychic said that
> Bali was and to where my pendulum told me on the map where she was. Angela
> was convinced that she was in there.
>
> It was getting dark. We got the best pole we have (actually a light bulb
> remover) and three flashlights. I ripped out all of the old dead branches
> and we cleared it out as best we could. I looked twice and Angela looked
> once. Did not see or hear a thing. So all the more frustrating. But
> perhaps if she still is in there somewhere, we loosened up enough stuff to
> where she can get out.
>
> Not sure where Jazzy went. Angela said it appeared that she went around the
> front of the house. Must go now and put the wildlife cams back out.
>
>
That's a step in the right direction, and yes, where you live when it
rains it pours ;-)

jazzy seems to be telling you not to quit and at the same taking care of
Bali in whatever her hidey hole is.

I feel things will resolve, maybe rather soon.

On 7/10/2013 12:06 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "casa bona" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/9/2013 8:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:16:16 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:13:48 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why didn't you go overt and get your cat if you saw it over there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For one thing I am disabled. By the time I would have walked over
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>> would have been gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now you're making excuses for not going and recovering your cat. You
>>>>>> also said Angela was with you. Is she disabled, too?
>>>>>>
>>>>> The cat was clear in another yard. Do you think cats just stand still
>>>>> and
>>>>> wait for people to go pick them up? Angela didn't see her.
>>>>
>>>> Two posts ago you said:
>>>>
>>>> "I will say it again. Angela and I were sitting in the yard next door
>>>> as several people told us to do. It was dusk. V_____'s yard is next
>>>> to the one we were sitting in and there is no fence separating them.
>>>> We saw Jazzy walking around her legs."
>>>>
>>>> Repeat: WE saw jazzy walking around her legs (and then you
>>>> contradicted by saying the cat was in back of her so maybe she didn't
>>>> see)
>>>>
>>>> Something is obviously not right here.
>>>
>>> *sigh* She walked from one side to the other of her twice in a semi
>>> circle.
>>> She went to either side and behind. Do all of these minute details
>>> really
>>> matter to you? Or anyone else here? Mostly all I am getting is smart
>>> remarks and then people telling me that I won't do what I am supposed to
>>> do.
>>> Or something like that.
>>>
>>>
>> I hate to mention this...but...does your neighbor dislike cats, or more to
>> the point your cats?
>>
>> Something here just doesn't feel right.
>
> Not that I know of but I don't think she's an animal lover. I do think that
> most people are pretty unobservant though. I tend to notice things that
> others don't.
>
>
Fair enough, just something to keep the feelers out for, you never know
what is on people's minds.

On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "JBurns" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can communicate
>>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only "in
>>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>>>>>
>>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>>>
>>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>>>
>>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>>>>
>>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there who will
>>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of having a
>>>>> loved one returned to you.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news show said.
>>>
>>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for her must
>>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
>>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a "news
>>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more advertising
>>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the FCC
>>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may devote to
>>> advertising).
>>>
>>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>>>
>>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that. You can
>> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and inter-action
>> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated guesses
>> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and unseen
>> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated set of
>> hands.
>>
>> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know people
>> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time. Nothing
>> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and lots of
>> experience.
>
> That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily dislike
> horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't know too much
> about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I never
> understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost sexual thing
> where they substitute the horse for a male.
>
>
It seems all to be about having control over a large animal, so your
assessment is not far off.

casa bona > wrote in :

> On 7/10/2013 12:03 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

>>
>> Yep! To that exact spot in the blackberries where the psychic said
>> that Bali was and to where my pendulum told me on the map where she
>> was.
>
> I feel things will resolve, maybe rather soon.
>


Psychics??!! Pendulums??!!

All for cats who are too frikken stupid to realise when they are on a good
thing.

One holiday we have been talking about doing is to an Elephant Sanctuary in
Thailand, which also has a water buffalo and dog section.

We're going over to look after the dogs.

We've been told that the 50 or so dogs that they have rescued walk around
with smiles on their facea, because they *know* they're on a good wicket.

Now *that* is an intelligent animal!!

--
Peter
Brisbane
Australia

Success isn't so difficult.
Just bite off more than you can chew,
then go do it.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can
communicate
> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only
"in
> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
> >>>
> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
> >>>
> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
> >>>>
> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there
who will
> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of
having a
> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news
show said.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for her
must
> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a "news
> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
advertising
> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the FCC
> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
devote to
> >>> advertising).
> >>>
> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
> >>>
> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
> >>>
> >>> -sw
> >>
> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that. You
can
> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
inter-action
> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
guesses
> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and unseen
> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated set of
> >> hands.
> >>
> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know
people
> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time.
Nothing
> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and lots
of
> >> experience.
> >
> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily
dislike
> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't
know too much
> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I never
> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost sexual
thing
> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
> >
> >
> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal, so
your
> assessment is not far off.

That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a pony
and actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do with
having control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers
are no different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in
your two warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's
fairly clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in other
worlds.

Jinx

"casa bona" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/10/2013 12:03 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "casa bona" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Could you not camp out nearby, perhaps even in your own yard, anything
>>> to
>>> get your scent and aura out there for her to sense?
>>>
>>> It's a long shot, but what if?
>>>
>>> Maybe Jazzy will sense you, come in, even lead you in the direction Bali
>>> is.
>>>
>>> It's nerve wracking when cats do this.
>>
>> Here's the weird thing! Were going to go to my mom's house to take the
>> remainder of the frozen food because my garage freezer quit working. Did
>> not go because of a tire issue. *sigh* When it rains it pours here!
>> Did
>> toss out some food. Yes, I know somebody here will complain about that.
>> But it amounted to about $6 worth of food. Not a biggie. Cooked a big
>> dinner tonight and managed to get the rest in either the fridge or
>> freezer.
>>
>> Anyway... Had called my mom to explain why we did not come over and as I
>> was hanging up the phone, there was Jazzy on the deck. This time she
>> sauntered around and let us get close. Did not appear to be upset and
>> did
>> not call out to us. Let Angela follow her next door. And where did she
>> go?
>>
>> Yep! To that exact spot in the blackberries where the psychic said that
>> Bali was and to where my pendulum told me on the map where she was.
>> Angela
>> was convinced that she was in there.
>>
>> It was getting dark. We got the best pole we have (actually a light bulb
>> remover) and three flashlights. I ripped out all of the old dead
>> branches
>> and we cleared it out as best we could. I looked twice and Angela looked
>> once. Did not see or hear a thing. So all the more frustrating. But
>> perhaps if she still is in there somewhere, we loosened up enough stuff
>> to
>> where she can get out.
>>
>> Not sure where Jazzy went. Angela said it appeared that she went around
>> the
>> front of the house. Must go now and put the wildlife cams back out.
>>
>>
> That's a step in the right direction, and yes, where you live when it
> rains it pours ;-)
>
> jazzy seems to be telling you not to quit and at the same taking care of
> Bali in whatever her hidey hole is.
>
> I feel things will resolve, maybe rather soon.

Jazzy is in here now. Caught in raccoon trap. Injured but I don't think
badly so. Can't get in to vet till tomorrow.

"I'm back" > wrote in message
...
> casa bona > wrote in :
>
>> On 7/10/2013 12:03 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Yep! To that exact spot in the blackberries where the psychic said
>>> that Bali was and to where my pendulum told me on the map where she
>>> was.
>>
>> I feel things will resolve, maybe rather soon.
>>
>
>
> Psychics??!! Pendulums??!!
>
> All for cats who are too frikken stupid to realise when they are on a good
> thing.
>
> One holiday we have been talking about doing is to an Elephant Sanctuary
> in
> Thailand, which also has a water buffalo and dog section.
>
> We're going over to look after the dogs.
>
> We've been told that the 50 or so dogs that they have rescued walk around
> with smiles on their facea, because they *know* they're on a good wicket.
>
> Now *that* is an intelligent animal!!

Jazzy is injured. We do have her back. It is not safe for cats outside in
this area.

"Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> >>>> ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can
> communicate
>> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only
> "in
>> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there
> who will
>> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of
> having a
>> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news
> show said.
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for her
> must
>> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
>> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a "news
>> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
> advertising
>> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the FCC
>> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
> devote to
>> >>> advertising).
>> >>>
>> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>> >>>
>> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>> >>>
>> >>> -sw
>> >>
>> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that. You
> can
>> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
> inter-action
>> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
> guesses
>> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and unseen
>> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated set of
>> >> hands.
>> >>
>> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know
> people
>> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time.
> Nothing
>> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and lots
> of
>> >> experience.
>> >
>> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily
> dislike
>> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't
> know too much
>> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I never
>> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost sexual
> thing
>> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
>> >
>> >
>> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal, so
> your
>> assessment is not far off.
>
> That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a pony and
> actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do with having
> control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers are no
> different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in your two warped
> fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's fairly clear to most
> of us here that you and Julie both live in other worlds.

I only said that because I had read about it. I have always loved cats and
squirrels. But my love for them was in no way like my friend's with their
horses.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:02:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
> "Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
> > >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> >> >>>> ...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can
> > communicate
> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not
only
> > "in
> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out
there
> > who will
> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of
> > having a
> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news
> > show said.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for
her
> > must
> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a
"news
> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
> > advertising
> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the
FCC
> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
> > devote to
> >> >>> advertising).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -sw
> >> >>
> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that.
You
> > can
> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
> > inter-action
> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
> > guesses
> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and
unseen
> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated
set of
> >> >> hands.
> >> >>
> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know
> > people
> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time.
> > Nothing
> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and
lots
> > of
> >> >> experience.
> >> >
> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily
> > dislike
> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't
> > know too much
> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I
never
> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost
sexual
> > thing
> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal, so
> > your
> >> assessment is not far off.
> >
> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a
pony and
> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do with
having
> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers
are no
> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in your
two warped
> > fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's fairly
clear to most
> > of us here that you and Julie both live in other worlds.


> I only said that because I had read about it. I have always loved
cats and
> squirrels. But my love for them was in no way like my friend's
with their
> horses.

I once read that people who own cats do so because they have sexual
fantasies about them. It's true, isn't it?

On 7/10/2013 10:34 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> >>>> ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can
> communicate
>> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only
> "in
>> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there
> who will
>> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of
> having a
>> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news
> show said.
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for her
> must
>> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
>> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a "news
>> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
> advertising
>> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the FCC
>> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
> devote to
>> >>> advertising).
>> >>>
>> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>> >>>
>> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>> >>>
>> >>> -sw
>> >>
>> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that. You
> can
>> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
> inter-action
>> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
> guesses
>> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and unseen
>> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated set of
>> >> hands.
>> >>
>> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know
> people
>> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time.
> Nothing
>> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and lots
> of
>> >> experience.
>> >
>> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily
> dislike
>> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't
> know too much
>> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I never
>> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost sexual
> thing
>> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
>> >
>> >
>> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal, so
> your
>> assessment is not far off.
>
> That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a pony and
> actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do with having
> control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers are no
> different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in your two
> warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's fairly
> clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in other worlds.
>
> Jinx

We may be at that, and I'll not dispute my world is not typical
mainstream Americana.

I also accept that your experience need not conform to my anecdotal
observations.

That aside, there is room to propose that there are elements of control
and sexuality involved for _some_ horse women:

http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when...women8217.html

There's no denying that horseback riding, at least here on the East
Coast, is a sport thats tied up with privilege; little blonde girls
with pigtails photographed atop their ponies next to moms Jack
Russells; Polo Ralph Lauren; Georgina Bloomberg. €œI always think that
saddest part of the sport is that it is associated with the elite,
because at its heart of hearts, it's just being outdoors and being with
a beautiful creature.€� While it's still not cheap by any means, Nir says
that shes a strong enough rider to be able to €œsit on anything,€� and
makes it work by riding other people's fancy horses. As a grown-up, she
says the superficial values that made horseback riding slightly icky
back when she was younger mostly seems to have disappeared. Yennie
Solheim, another rider who works at Google and has been riding steadily
since she was a young girl, adds that as a teen, there was a lot of
pressure to have this fancy helmet, and that fancy riding coat. €œFor me,
now, riding is purely a way for me to relax; it's a getaway.€�

As young girls, the barn offered the same thing. €œI was less interested
in boys than my friends were,€� DiSclafani says, €œand didn't, like, love
middle or high school. The barn was a total refuge.€� (Like her, and all
who rode, really, Christine Quinn writes in her new memoir that
horseback riding was €œthe activity that sustained€� her as a teenager).

But the sexy stuff is unavoidable. €œThis might be an oversimplification,
but girls have a lot of sexual energy at that time, and being obsessed
with horses was one way to direct that,€� DiSclafani adds. Looking back
on my early teens, my friends and I definitely used to talk about horses
like we talked about boys (whom we were definitely not talking to):
Wasnt Toy just so cute today? Sarah rode Lucky, and it was so clear he
didnt like her! Windy and I just really have such good chemistry. It's
no coincidence that Yonahlossee, a bildungsroman set during the
Depression about a young girl whose wealthy family sends her away to a
horse-centric boarding school, charts her relationship with an older man
as she becomes a more competitive horseback rider. €œAs she becomes more
interested in the world of sex, she becomes a better rider, and riding
is an even more important part of her life,€� DiSclafani says.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:11:19 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
> On 7/10/2013 10:34 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
> > >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> >> >>>> ...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can
> > communicate
> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not
only
> > "in
> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out
there
> > who will
> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of
> > having a
> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news
> > show said.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for
her
> > must
> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a
"news
> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
> > advertising
> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the
FCC
> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
> > devote to
> >> >>> advertising).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -sw
> >> >>
> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that.
You
> > can
> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
> > inter-action
> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
> > guesses
> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and
unseen
> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated
set of
> >> >> hands.
> >> >>
> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know
> > people
> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time.
> > Nothing
> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and
lots
> > of
> >> >> experience.
> >> >
> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily
> > dislike
> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't
> > know too much
> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I
never
> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost
sexual
> > thing
> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal, so
> > your
> >> assessment is not far off.
> >
> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a
pony and
> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do with
having
> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers
are no
> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in your
two
> > warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's
fairly
> > clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in other
worlds.
> >
> > Jinx


> We may be at that, and I'll not dispute my world is not typical
> mainstream Americana.


> I also accept that your experience need not conform to my anecdotal
> observations.


> That aside, there is room to propose that there are elements of
control
> and sexuality involved for _some_ horse women:


>
http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when...become-8216hor
se-women8217.html


> There's no denying that horseback riding, at least here on the East
> Coast, is a sport thats tied up with privilege; little blonde
girls
> with pigtails photographed atop their ponies next to moms Jack
> Russells; Polo Ralph Lauren; Georgina Bloomberg. I always think
that
> saddest part of the sport is that it is associated with the elite,
> because at its heart of hearts, it's just being outdoors and being
with
> a beautiful creature. While it's still not cheap by any means, Nir
says
> that shes a strong enough rider to be able to sit on anything,
and
> makes it work by riding other people's fancy horses. As a grown-up,
she
> says the superficial values that made horseback riding slightly
icky
> back when she was younger mostly seems to have disappeared. Yennie
> Solheim, another rider who works at Google and has been riding
steadily
> since she was a young girl, adds that as a teen, there was a lot of
> pressure to have this fancy helmet, and that fancy riding coat.
For me,
> now, riding is purely a way for me to relax; it's a getaway.


> As young girls, the barn offered the same thing. I was less
interested
> in boys than my friends were, DiSclafani says, and didn't, like,
love
> middle or high school. The barn was a total refuge. (Like her, and
all
> who rode, really, Christine Quinn writes in her new memoir that
> horseback riding was the activity that sustained her as a
teenager).


> But the sexy stuff is unavoidable. This might be an
oversimplification,
> but girls have a lot of sexual energy at that time, and being
obsessed
> with horses was one way to direct that, DiSclafani adds. Looking
back
> on my early teens, my friends and I definitely used to talk about
horses
> like we talked about boys (whom we were definitely not talking to):
> Wasnt Toy just so cute today? Sarah rode Lucky, and it was so
clear he
> didnt like her! Windy and I just really have such good chemistry.
It's
> no coincidence that Yonahlossee, a bildungsroman set during the
> Depression about a young girl whose wealthy family sends her away
to a
> horse-centric boarding school, charts her relationship with an
older man
> as she becomes a more competitive horseback rider. As she becomes
more
> interested in the world of sex, she becomes a better rider, and
riding
> is an even more important part of her life, DiSclafani says.

Ad a Midwestern farm girl, none of this applies to my world nor
anyone else I know from these parts. My perspective is from firsthand
knowledge and experience, not fantasy magazine articles.

Can we equate a boy's love of fast cars as a sexual substitute as
well, for that matter?

On 7/10/2013 11:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:11:19 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> On 7/10/2013 10:34 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
>> > >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> >> >>>> ...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can
>> > communicate
>> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not
> only
>> > "in
>> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out
> there
>> > who will
>> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of
>> > having a
>> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news
>> > show said.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for
> her
>> > must
>> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
>> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a
> "news
>> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
>> > advertising
>> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the
> FCC
>> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
>> > devote to
>> >> >>> advertising).
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -sw
>> >> >>
>> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that.
> You
>> > can
>> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
>> > inter-action
>> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
>> > guesses
>> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and
> unseen
>> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated
> set of
>> >> >> hands.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know
>> > people
>> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time.
>> > Nothing
>> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and
> lots
>> > of
>> >> >> experience.
>> >> >
>> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily
>> > dislike
>> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't
>> > know too much
>> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I
> never
>> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost
> sexual
>> > thing
>> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal, so
>> > your
>> >> assessment is not far off.
>> >
>> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a
> pony and
>> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do with
> having
>> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers
> are no
>> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in your
> two
>> > warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's
> fairly
>> > clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in other
> worlds.
>> >
>> > Jinx
>
>
>> We may be at that, and I'll not dispute my world is not typical
>> mainstream Americana.
>
>
>> I also accept that your experience need not conform to my anecdotal
>> observations.
>
>
>> That aside, there is room to propose that there are elements of
> control
>> and sexuality involved for _some_ horse women:
>
>
>>
> http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when...become-8216hor
> se-women8217.html
>
>
>> There's no denying that horseback riding, at least here on the East
>> Coast, is a sport thats tied up with privilege; little blonde
> girls
>> with pigtails photographed atop their ponies next to moms Jack
>> Russells; Polo Ralph Lauren; Georgina Bloomberg. I always think
> that
>> saddest part of the sport is that it is associated with the elite,
>> because at its heart of hearts, it's just being outdoors and being
> with
>> a beautiful creature. While it's still not cheap by any means, Nir
> says
>> that shes a strong enough rider to be able to sit on anything,
> and
>> makes it work by riding other people's fancy horses. As a grown-up,
> she
>> says the superficial values that made horseback riding slightly
> icky
>> back when she was younger mostly seems to have disappeared. Yennie
>> Solheim, another rider who works at Google and has been riding
> steadily
>> since she was a young girl, adds that as a teen, there was a lot of
>> pressure to have this fancy helmet, and that fancy riding coat.
> For me,
>> now, riding is purely a way for me to relax; it's a getaway.
>
>
>> As young girls, the barn offered the same thing. I was less
> interested
>> in boys than my friends were, DiSclafani says, and didn't, like,
> love
>> middle or high school. The barn was a total refuge. (Like her, and
> all
>> who rode, really, Christine Quinn writes in her new memoir that
>> horseback riding was the activity that sustained her as a
> teenager).
>
>
>> But the sexy stuff is unavoidable. This might be an
> oversimplification,
>> but girls have a lot of sexual energy at that time, and being
> obsessed
>> with horses was one way to direct that, DiSclafani adds. Looking
> back
>> on my early teens, my friends and I definitely used to talk about
> horses
>> like we talked about boys (whom we were definitely not talking to):
>> Wasnt Toy just so cute today? Sarah rode Lucky, and it was so
> clear he
>> didnt like her! Windy and I just really have such good chemistry.
> It's
>> no coincidence that Yonahlossee, a bildungsroman set during the
>> Depression about a young girl whose wealthy family sends her away
> to a
>> horse-centric boarding school, charts her relationship with an
> older man
>> as she becomes a more competitive horseback rider. As she becomes
> more
>> interested in the world of sex, she becomes a better rider, and
> riding
>> is an even more important part of her life, DiSclafani says.
>
> Ad a Midwestern farm girl, none of this applies to my world nor anyone
> else I know from these parts. My perspective is from firsthand knowledge
> and experience, not fantasy magazine articles.
> Can we equate a boy's love of fast cars as a sexual substitute as well,
> for that matter?

In some cases we might I suppose, though their puberty has unique facets
to it.

So?

What's so threatening about the horse article anyway?

It's not your experience after all.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:26:37 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
> On 7/10/2013 11:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:11:19 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
> >> On 7/10/2013 10:34 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona >
wrote:
> >> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
> >> >> > ...
> >> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
> >> > >
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> >> >> >>>> ...
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people
can
> >> > communicate
> >> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not
> > only
> >> > "in
> >> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out
> > there
> >> > who will
> >> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope
of
> >> > having a
> >> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the
news
> >> > show said.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business
for
> > her
> >> > must
> >> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is
that
> >> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a
> > "news
> >> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
> >> > advertising
> >> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by
the
> > FCC
> >> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
> >> > devote to
> >> >> >>> advertising).
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> -sw
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for
that.
> > You
> >> > can
> >> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
> >> > inter-action
> >> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
> >> > guesses
> >> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and
> > unseen
> >> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated
> > set of
> >> >> >> hands.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I
know
> >> > people
> >> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the
time.
> >> > Nothing
> >> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and
> > lots
> >> > of
> >> >> >> experience.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't
necessarily
> >> > dislike
> >> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I
don't
> >> > know too much
> >> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I
> > never
> >> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost
> > sexual
> >> > thing
> >> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal,
so
> >> > your
> >> >> assessment is not far off.
> >> >
> >> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a
> > pony and
> >> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do
with
> > having
> >> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers
> > are no
> >> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in your
> > two
> >> > warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's
> > fairly
> >> > clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in other
> > worlds.
> >> >
> >> > Jinx
> >
> >
> >> We may be at that, and I'll not dispute my world is not typical
> >> mainstream Americana.
> >
> >
> >> I also accept that your experience need not conform to my
anecdotal
> >> observations.
> >
> >
> >> That aside, there is room to propose that there are elements of
> > control
> >> and sexuality involved for _some_ horse women:
> >
> >
> >>
> >
http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when...become-8216hor

> > se-women8217.html
> >
> >
> >> There's no denying that horseback riding, at least here on the
East
> >> Coast, is a sport thats tied up with privilege; little blonde
> > girls
> >> with pigtails photographed atop their ponies next to moms Jack
> >> Russells; Polo Ralph Lauren; Georgina Bloomberg. I always think
> > that
> >> saddest part of the sport is that it is associated with the
elite,
> >> because at its heart of hearts, it's just being outdoors and
being
> > with
> >> a beautiful creature. While it's still not cheap by any means,
Nir
> > says
> >> that shes a strong enough rider to be able to sit on anything,
> > and
> >> makes it work by riding other people's fancy horses. As a
grown-up,
> > she
> >> says the superficial values that made horseback riding slightly
> > icky
> >> back when she was younger mostly seems to have disappeared.
Yennie
> >> Solheim, another rider who works at Google and has been riding
> > steadily
> >> since she was a young girl, adds that as a teen, there was a lot
of
> >> pressure to have this fancy helmet, and that fancy riding coat.
> > For me,
> >> now, riding is purely a way for me to relax; it's a getaway.
> >
> >
> >> As young girls, the barn offered the same thing. I was less
> > interested
> >> in boys than my friends were, DiSclafani says, and didn't,
like,
> > love
> >> middle or high school. The barn was a total refuge. (Like her,
and
> > all
> >> who rode, really, Christine Quinn writes in her new memoir that
> >> horseback riding was the activity that sustained her as a
> > teenager).
> >
> >
> >> But the sexy stuff is unavoidable. This might be an
> > oversimplification,
> >> but girls have a lot of sexual energy at that time, and being
> > obsessed
> >> with horses was one way to direct that, DiSclafani adds. Looking
> > back
> >> on my early teens, my friends and I definitely used to talk about
> > horses
> >> like we talked about boys (whom we were definitely not talking
to):
> >> Wasnt Toy just so cute today? Sarah rode Lucky, and it was so
> > clear he
> >> didnt like her! Windy and I just really have such good
chemistry.
> > It's
> >> no coincidence that Yonahlossee, a bildungsroman set during the
> >> Depression about a young girl whose wealthy family sends her away
> > to a
> >> horse-centric boarding school, charts her relationship with an
> > older man
> >> as she becomes a more competitive horseback rider. As she
becomes
> > more
> >> interested in the world of sex, she becomes a better rider, and
> > riding
> >> is an even more important part of her life, DiSclafani says.
> >
> > Ad a Midwestern farm girl, none of this applies to my world nor
anyone
> > else I know from these parts. My perspective is from firsthand
knowledge
> > and experience, not fantasy magazine articles.
> > Can we equate a boy's love of fast cars as a sexual substitute as
well,
> > for that matter?


> In some cases we might I suppose, though their puberty has unique
facets
> to it.


> So?


> What's so threatening about the horse article anyway?


> It's not your experience after all.

I didn't find it threatening, nor did I find it to support Julie's
"knowledge" of a love of horses as being something sexual. Do you
own a dog, by the way? Surely you know what people say about women
and the real reason they own dogs, especially those big ones. Or
snakes. Or hamsters.

Ridiculous, isn't it?

On 7/10/2013 12:04 PM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:26:37 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> On 7/10/2013 11:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:11:19 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> >> On 7/10/2013 10:34 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona >
> wrote:
>> >> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
>> >> >> > ...
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
>> >> > >
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>> ...
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people
> can
>> >> > communicate
>> >> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not
>> > only
>> >> > "in
>> >> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out
>> > there
>> >> > who will
>> >> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope
> of
>> >> > having a
>> >> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the
> news
>> >> > show said.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business
> for
>> > her
>> >> > must
>> >> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is
> that
>> >> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a
>> > "news
>> >> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
>> >> > advertising
>> >> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by
> the
>> > FCC
>> >> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
>> >> > devote to
>> >> >> >>> advertising).
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> -sw
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for
> that.
>> > You
>> >> > can
>> >> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
>> >> > inter-action
>> >> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
>> >> > guesses
>> >> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and
>> > unseen
>> >> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated
>> > set of
>> >> >> >> hands.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I
> know
>> >> > people
>> >> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the
> time.
>> >> > Nothing
>> >> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and
>> > lots
>> >> > of
>> >> >> >> experience.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't
> necessarily
>> >> > dislike
>> >> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I
> don't
>> >> > know too much
>> >> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I
>> > never
>> >> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost
>> > sexual
>> >> > thing
>> >> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal,
> so
>> >> > your
>> >> >> assessment is not far off.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a
>> > pony and
>> >> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do
> with
>> > having
>> >> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers
>> > are no
>> >> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in your
>> > two
>> >> > warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's
>> > fairly
>> >> > clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in other
>> > worlds.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jinx
>> >
>> >
>> >> We may be at that, and I'll not dispute my world is not typical
>> >> mainstream Americana.
>> >
>> >
>> >> I also accept that your experience need not conform to my
> anecdotal
>> >> observations.
>> >
>> >
>> >> That aside, there is room to propose that there are elements of
>> > control
>> >> and sexuality involved for _some_ horse women:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >
> http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when...become-8216hor
>
>> > se-women8217.html
>> >
>> >
>> >> There's no denying that horseback riding, at least here on the
> East
>> >> Coast, is a sport thats tied up with privilege; little blonde
>> > girls
>> >> with pigtails photographed atop their ponies next to moms Jack
>> >> Russells; Polo Ralph Lauren; Georgina Bloomberg. I always think
>> > that
>> >> saddest part of the sport is that it is associated with the
> elite,
>> >> because at its heart of hearts, it's just being outdoors and
> being
>> > with
>> >> a beautiful creature. While it's still not cheap by any means,
> Nir
>> > says
>> >> that shes a strong enough rider to be able to sit on anything,
>> > and
>> >> makes it work by riding other people's fancy horses. As a
> grown-up,
>> > she
>> >> says the superficial values that made horseback riding slightly
>> > icky
>> >> back when she was younger mostly seems to have disappeared.
> Yennie
>> >> Solheim, another rider who works at Google and has been riding
>> > steadily
>> >> since she was a young girl, adds that as a teen, there was a lot
> of
>> >> pressure to have this fancy helmet, and that fancy riding coat.
>> > For me,
>> >> now, riding is purely a way for me to relax; it's a getaway.
>> >
>> >
>> >> As young girls, the barn offered the same thing. I was less
>> > interested
>> >> in boys than my friends were, DiSclafani says, and didn't,
> like,
>> > love
>> >> middle or high school. The barn was a total refuge. (Like her,
> and
>> > all
>> >> who rode, really, Christine Quinn writes in her new memoir that
>> >> horseback riding was the activity that sustained her as a
>> > teenager).
>> >
>> >
>> >> But the sexy stuff is unavoidable. This might be an
>> > oversimplification,
>> >> but girls have a lot of sexual energy at that time, and being
>> > obsessed
>> >> with horses was one way to direct that, DiSclafani adds. Looking
>> > back
>> >> on my early teens, my friends and I definitely used to talk about
>> > horses
>> >> like we talked about boys (whom we were definitely not talking
> to):
>> >> Wasnt Toy just so cute today? Sarah rode Lucky, and it was so
>> > clear he
>> >> didnt like her! Windy and I just really have such good
> chemistry.
>> > It's
>> >> no coincidence that Yonahlossee, a bildungsroman set during the
>> >> Depression about a young girl whose wealthy family sends her away
>> > to a
>> >> horse-centric boarding school, charts her relationship with an
>> > older man
>> >> as she becomes a more competitive horseback rider. As she
> becomes
>> > more
>> >> interested in the world of sex, she becomes a better rider, and
>> > riding
>> >> is an even more important part of her life, DiSclafani says.
>> >
>> > Ad a Midwestern farm girl, none of this applies to my world nor
> anyone
>> > else I know from these parts. My perspective is from firsthand
> knowledge
>> > and experience, not fantasy magazine articles.
>> > Can we equate a boy's love of fast cars as a sexual substitute as
> well,
>> > for that matter?
>
>
>> In some cases we might I suppose, though their puberty has unique
> facets
>> to it.
>
>
>> So?
>
>
>> What's so threatening about the horse article anyway?
>
>
>> It's not your experience after all.
>
> I didn't find it threatening, nor did I find it to support Julie's
> "knowledge" of a love of horses as being something sexual. Do you own a
> dog, by the way? Surely you know what people say about women and the
> real reason they own dogs, especially those big ones. Or snakes. Or
> hamsters.
>
> Ridiculous, isn't it?

Given the prevalence of odd behaviors amongst species?

Not so much.

There was an incident not all that long ago in Washington state between
a man and a horse, I believe the man died.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:16:59 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
> On 7/10/2013 12:04 PM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:26:37 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
> >> On 7/10/2013 11:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:11:19 -0600, casa bona >
wrote:
> >> >> On 7/10/2013 10:34 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> >> >> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona >
> > wrote:
> >> >> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> > ...
> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>> ...
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe
people
> > can
> >> >> > communicate
> >> >> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level.
Not
> >> > only
> >> >> > "in
> >> >> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and
telepathically.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people
out
> >> > there
> >> >> > who will
> >> >> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false
hope
> > of
> >> >> > having a
> >> >> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what
the
> > news
> >> >> > show said.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business
> > for
> >> > her
> >> >> > must
> >> >> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays
is
> > that
> >> >> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them
in a
> >> > "news
> >> >> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make
more
> >> >> > advertising
> >> >> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by
> > the
> >> > FCC
> >> >> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you
may
> >> >> > devote to
> >> >> >> >>> advertising).
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> -sw
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for
> > that.
> >> > You
> >> >> > can
> >> >> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
> >> >> > inter-action
> >> >> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make
educated
> >> >> > guesses
> >> >> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain
and
> >> > unseen
> >> >> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an
educated
> >> > set of
> >> >> >> >> hands.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but
I
> > know
> >> >> > people
> >> >> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the
> > time.
> >> >> > Nothing
> >> >> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch
and
> >> > lots
> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> experience.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't
> > necessarily
> >> >> > dislike
> >> >> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I
> > don't
> >> >> > know too much
> >> >> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse
crazy. I
> >> > never
> >> >> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of
almost
> >> > sexual
> >> >> > thing
> >> >> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large
animal,
> > so
> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> assessment is not far off.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for
a
> >> > pony and
> >> >> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do
> > with
> >> > having
> >> >> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse
lovers
> >> > are no
> >> >> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in
your
> >> > two
> >> >> > warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's
> >> > fairly
> >> >> > clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in
other
> >> > worlds.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jinx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> We may be at that, and I'll not dispute my world is not
typical
> >> >> mainstream Americana.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> I also accept that your experience need not conform to my
> > anecdotal
> >> >> observations.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> That aside, there is room to propose that there are elements
of
> >> > control
> >> >> and sexuality involved for _some_ horse women:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >
http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when...become-8216hor

> >
> >> > se-women8217.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> There's no denying that horseback riding, at least here on the
> > East
> >> >> Coast, is a sport thats tied up with privilege; little blonde
> >> > girls
> >> >> with pigtails photographed atop their ponies next to moms
Jack
> >> >> Russells; Polo Ralph Lauren; Georgina Bloomberg. I always
think
> >> > that
> >> >> saddest part of the sport is that it is associated with the
> > elite,
> >> >> because at its heart of hearts, it's just being outdoors and
> > being
> >> > with
> >> >> a beautiful creature. While it's still not cheap by any
means,
> > Nir
> >> > says
> >> >> that shes a strong enough rider to be able to sit on
anything,
> >> > and
> >> >> makes it work by riding other people's fancy horses. As a
> > grown-up,
> >> > she
> >> >> says the superficial values that made horseback riding
slightly
> >> > icky
> >> >> back when she was younger mostly seems to have disappeared.
> > Yennie
> >> >> Solheim, another rider who works at Google and has been riding
> >> > steadily
> >> >> since she was a young girl, adds that as a teen, there was a
lot
> > of
> >> >> pressure to have this fancy helmet, and that fancy riding
coat.
> >> > For me,
> >> >> now, riding is purely a way for me to relax; it's a getaway.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> As young girls, the barn offered the same thing. I was less
> >> > interested
> >> >> in boys than my friends were, DiSclafani says, and didn't,
> > like,
> >> > love
> >> >> middle or high school. The barn was a total refuge. (Like
her,
> > and
> >> > all
> >> >> who rode, really, Christine Quinn writes in her new memoir
that
> >> >> horseback riding was the activity that sustained her as a
> >> > teenager).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> But the sexy stuff is unavoidable. This might be an
> >> > oversimplification,
> >> >> but girls have a lot of sexual energy at that time, and being
> >> > obsessed
> >> >> with horses was one way to direct that, DiSclafani adds.
Looking
> >> > back
> >> >> on my early teens, my friends and I definitely used to talk
about
> >> > horses
> >> >> like we talked about boys (whom we were definitely not talking
> > to):
> >> >> Wasnt Toy just so cute today? Sarah rode Lucky, and it was so
> >> > clear he
> >> >> didnt like her! Windy and I just really have such good
> > chemistry.
> >> > It's
> >> >> no coincidence that Yonahlossee, a bildungsroman set during
the
> >> >> Depression about a young girl whose wealthy family sends her
away
> >> > to a
> >> >> horse-centric boarding school, charts her relationship with an
> >> > older man
> >> >> as she becomes a more competitive horseback rider. As she
> > becomes
> >> > more
> >> >> interested in the world of sex, she becomes a better rider,
and
> >> > riding
> >> >> is an even more important part of her life, DiSclafani says.
> >> >
> >> > Ad a Midwestern farm girl, none of this applies to my world nor
> > anyone
> >> > else I know from these parts. My perspective is from firsthand
> > knowledge
> >> > and experience, not fantasy magazine articles.
> >> > Can we equate a boy's love of fast cars as a sexual substitute
as
> > well,
> >> > for that matter?
> >
> >
> >> In some cases we might I suppose, though their puberty has unique
> > facets
> >> to it.
> >
> >
> >> So?
> >
> >
> >> What's so threatening about the horse article anyway?
> >
> >
> >> It's not your experience after all.
> >
> > I didn't find it threatening, nor did I find it to support Julie's
> > "knowledge" of a love of horses as being something sexual. Do
you own a
> > dog, by the way? Surely you know what people say about women and
the
> > real reason they own dogs, especially those big ones. Or snakes.
Or
> > hamsters.
> >
> > Ridiculous, isn't it?


> Given the prevalence of odd behaviors amongst species?


> Not so much.


> There was an incident not all that long ago in Washington state
between
> a man and a horse, I believe the man died.

I concur, some people do have a predilection for odd behaviors,
however, one should not extrapolate that to the whole of a
population, as Julie did with her "girls who are horse crazy" post.
Typical for Julie.

On 7/10/2013 1:41 PM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:16:59 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> On 7/10/2013 12:04 PM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:26:37 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> >> On 7/10/2013 11:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:11:19 -0600, casa bona >
> wrote:
>> >> >> On 7/10/2013 10:34 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> >> >> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona >
>> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > ...
>> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>>> ...
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe
> people
>> > can
>> >> >> > communicate
>> >> >> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level.
> Not
>> >> > only
>> >> >> > "in
>> >> >> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and
> telepathically.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people
> out
>> >> > there
>> >> >> > who will
>> >> >> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false
> hope
>> > of
>> >> >> > having a
>> >> >> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what
> the
>> > news
>> >> >> > show said.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business
>> > for
>> >> > her
>> >> >> > must
>> >> >> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays
> is
>> > that
>> >> >> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them
> in a
>> >> > "news
>> >> >> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make
> more
>> >> >> > advertising
>> >> >> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by
>> > the
>> >> > FCC
>> >> >> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you
> may
>> >> >> > devote to
>> >> >> >> >>> advertising).
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> -sw
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for
>> > that.
>> >> > You
>> >> >> > can
>> >> >> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
>> >> >> > inter-action
>> >> >> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make
> educated
>> >> >> > guesses
>> >> >> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain
> and
>> >> > unseen
>> >> >> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an
> educated
>> >> > set of
>> >> >> >> >> hands.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but
> I
>> > know
>> >> >> > people
>> >> >> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the
>> > time.
>> >> >> > Nothing
>> >> >> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch
> and
>> >> > lots
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> >> experience.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't
>> > necessarily
>> >> >> > dislike
>> >> >> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I
>> > don't
>> >> >> > know too much
>> >> >> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse
> crazy. I
>> >> > never
>> >> >> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of
> almost
>> >> > sexual
>> >> >> > thing
>> >> >> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large
> animal,
>> > so
>> >> >> > your
>> >> >> >> assessment is not far off.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for
> a
>> >> > pony and
>> >> >> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do
>> > with
>> >> > having
>> >> >> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse
> lovers
>> >> > are no
>> >> >> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in
> your
>> >> > two
>> >> >> > warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's
>> >> > fairly
>> >> >> > clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in
> other
>> >> > worlds.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Jinx
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> We may be at that, and I'll not dispute my world is not
> typical
>> >> >> mainstream Americana.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> I also accept that your experience need not conform to my
>> > anecdotal
>> >> >> observations.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> That aside, there is room to propose that there are elements
> of
>> >> > control
>> >> >> and sexuality involved for _some_ horse women:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >
> http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when...become-8216hor
>
>> >
>> >> > se-women8217.html
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> There's no denying that horseback riding, at least here on the
>> > East
>> >> >> Coast, is a sport thats tied up with privilege; little blonde
>> >> > girls
>> >> >> with pigtails photographed atop their ponies next to moms
> Jack
>> >> >> Russells; Polo Ralph Lauren; Georgina Bloomberg. I always
> think
>> >> > that
>> >> >> saddest part of the sport is that it is associated with the
>> > elite,
>> >> >> because at its heart of hearts, it's just being outdoors and
>> > being
>> >> > with
>> >> >> a beautiful creature. While it's still not cheap by any
> means,
>> > Nir
>> >> > says
>> >> >> that shes a strong enough rider to be able to sit on
> anything,
>> >> > and
>> >> >> makes it work by riding other people's fancy horses. As a
>> > grown-up,
>> >> > she
>> >> >> says the superficial values that made horseback riding
> slightly
>> >> > icky
>> >> >> back when she was younger mostly seems to have disappeared.
>> > Yennie
>> >> >> Solheim, another rider who works at Google and has been riding
>> >> > steadily
>> >> >> since she was a young girl, adds that as a teen, there was a
> lot
>> > of
>> >> >> pressure to have this fancy helmet, and that fancy riding
> coat.
>> >> > For me,
>> >> >> now, riding is purely a way for me to relax; it's a getaway.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> As young girls, the barn offered the same thing. I was less
>> >> > interested
>> >> >> in boys than my friends were, DiSclafani says, and didn't,
>> > like,
>> >> > love
>> >> >> middle or high school. The barn was a total refuge. (Like
> her,
>> > and
>> >> > all
>> >> >> who rode, really, Christine Quinn writes in her new memoir
> that
>> >> >> horseback riding was the activity that sustained her as a
>> >> > teenager).
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> But the sexy stuff is unavoidable. This might be an
>> >> > oversimplification,
>> >> >> but girls have a lot of sexual energy at that time, and being
>> >> > obsessed
>> >> >> with horses was one way to direct that, DiSclafani adds.
> Looking
>> >> > back
>> >> >> on my early teens, my friends and I definitely used to talk
> about
>> >> > horses
>> >> >> like we talked about boys (whom we were definitely not talking
>> > to):
>> >> >> Wasnt Toy just so cute today? Sarah rode Lucky, and it was so
>> >> > clear he
>> >> >> didnt like her! Windy and I just really have such good
>> > chemistry.
>> >> > It's
>> >> >> no coincidence that Yonahlossee, a bildungsroman set during
> the
>> >> >> Depression about a young girl whose wealthy family sends her
> away
>> >> > to a
>> >> >> horse-centric boarding school, charts her relationship with an
>> >> > older man
>> >> >> as she becomes a more competitive horseback rider. As she
>> > becomes
>> >> > more
>> >> >> interested in the world of sex, she becomes a better rider,
> and
>> >> > riding
>> >> >> is an even more important part of her life, DiSclafani says.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ad a Midwestern farm girl, none of this applies to my world nor
>> > anyone
>> >> > else I know from these parts. My perspective is from firsthand
>> > knowledge
>> >> > and experience, not fantasy magazine articles.
>> >> > Can we equate a boy's love of fast cars as a sexual substitute
> as
>> > well,
>> >> > for that matter?
>> >
>> >
>> >> In some cases we might I suppose, though their puberty has unique
>> > facets
>> >> to it.
>> >
>> >
>> >> So?
>> >
>> >
>> >> What's so threatening about the horse article anyway?
>> >
>> >
>> >> It's not your experience after all.
>> >
>> > I didn't find it threatening, nor did I find it to support Julie's
>> > "knowledge" of a love of horses as being something sexual. Do
> you own a
>> > dog, by the way? Surely you know what people say about women and
> the
>> > real reason they own dogs, especially those big ones. Or snakes.
> Or
>> > hamsters.
>> >
>> > Ridiculous, isn't it?
>
>
>> Given the prevalence of odd behaviors amongst species?
>
>
>> Not so much.
>
>
>> There was an incident not all that long ago in Washington state
> between
>> a man and a horse, I believe the man died.
>
> I concur, some people do have a predilection for odd behaviors, however,
> one should not extrapolate that to the whole of a population, as Julie
> did with her "girls who are horse crazy" post. Typical for Julie.

Sorry, I didn't get that she meant all horsewomen as opposed to her "two
friends".

Might be you're reading more in there than need be.

"Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:02:34 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>> "Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
>> > >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> >> >>>> ...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can
>> > communicate
>> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not
> only
>> > "in
>> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out
> there
>> > who will
>> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of
>> > having a
>> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news
>> > show said.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for
> her
>> > must
>> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
>> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a
> "news
>> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
>> > advertising
>> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the
> FCC
>> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
>> > devote to
>> >> >>> advertising).
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -sw
>> >> >>
>> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that.
> You
>> > can
>> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
>> > inter-action
>> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
>> > guesses
>> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and
> unseen
>> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated
> set of
>> >> >> hands.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know
>> > people
>> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time.
>> > Nothing
>> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and
> lots
>> > of
>> >> >> experience.
>> >> >
>> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily
>> > dislike
>> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't
>> > know too much
>> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I
> never
>> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost
> sexual
>> > thing
>> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal, so
>> > your
>> >> assessment is not far off.
>> >
>> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a
> pony and
>> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do with
> having
>> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers
> are no
>> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in your
> two warped
>> > fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's fairly
> clear to most
>> > of us here that you and Julie both live in other worlds.
>
>
>> I only said that because I had read about it. I have always loved
> cats and
>> squirrels. But my love for them was in no way like my friend's
> with their
>> horses.
>
> I once read that people who own cats do so because they have sexual
> fantasies about them. It's true, isn't it?

Not the same.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/09/133600...s-and-dolphins

"Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:11:19 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> On 7/10/2013 10:34 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
>> > >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> >> >>>> ...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can
>> > communicate
>> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not
> only
>> > "in
>> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out
> there
>> > who will
>> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of
>> > having a
>> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news
>> > show said.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for
> her
>> > must
>> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
>> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a
> "news
>> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
>> > advertising
>> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the
> FCC
>> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
>> > devote to
>> >> >>> advertising).
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -sw
>> >> >>
>> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that.
> You
>> > can
>> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
>> > inter-action
>> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
>> > guesses
>> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and
> unseen
>> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated
> set of
>> >> >> hands.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know
>> > people
>> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time.
>> > Nothing
>> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and
> lots
>> > of
>> >> >> experience.
>> >> >
>> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily
>> > dislike
>> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't
>> > know too much
>> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I
> never
>> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost
> sexual
>> > thing
>> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal, so
>> > your
>> >> assessment is not far off.
>> >
>> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a
> pony and
>> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do with
> having
>> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers
> are no
>> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in your
> two
>> > warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's
> fairly
>> > clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in other
> worlds.
>> >
>> > Jinx
>
>
>> We may be at that, and I'll not dispute my world is not typical
>> mainstream Americana.
>
>
>> I also accept that your experience need not conform to my anecdotal
>> observations.
>
>
>> That aside, there is room to propose that there are elements of
> control
>> and sexuality involved for _some_ horse women:
>
>
>>
> http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when...become-8216hor
> se-women8217.html
>
>
>> There's no denying that horseback riding, at least here on the East
>> Coast, is a sport thats tied up with privilege; little blonde
> girls
>> with pigtails photographed atop their ponies next to moms Jack Russells;
>> Polo Ralph Lauren; Georgina Bloomberg. I always think
> that
>> saddest part of the sport is that it is associated with the elite,
>> because at its heart of hearts, it's just being outdoors and being
> with
>> a beautiful creature. While it's still not cheap by any means, Nir
> says
>> that shes a strong enough rider to be able to sit on anything,
> and
>> makes it work by riding other people's fancy horses. As a grown-up,
> she
>> says the superficial values that made horseback riding slightly
> icky
>> back when she was younger mostly seems to have disappeared. Yennie
>> Solheim, another rider who works at Google and has been riding
> steadily
>> since she was a young girl, adds that as a teen, there was a lot of
>> pressure to have this fancy helmet, and that fancy riding coat.
> For me,
>> now, riding is purely a way for me to relax; it's a getaway.
>
>
>> As young girls, the barn offered the same thing. I was less
> interested
>> in boys than my friends were, DiSclafani says, and didn't, like,
> love
>> middle or high school. The barn was a total refuge. (Like her, and
> all
>> who rode, really, Christine Quinn writes in her new memoir that horseback
>> riding was the activity that sustained her as a
> teenager).
>
>
>> But the sexy stuff is unavoidable. This might be an
> oversimplification,
>> but girls have a lot of sexual energy at that time, and being
> obsessed
>> with horses was one way to direct that, DiSclafani adds. Looking
> back
>> on my early teens, my friends and I definitely used to talk about
> horses
>> like we talked about boys (whom we were definitely not talking to):
>> Wasnt Toy just so cute today? Sarah rode Lucky, and it was so
> clear he
>> didnt like her! Windy and I just really have such good chemistry.
> It's
>> no coincidence that Yonahlossee, a bildungsroman set during the
>> Depression about a young girl whose wealthy family sends her away
> to a
>> horse-centric boarding school, charts her relationship with an
> older man
>> as she becomes a more competitive horseback rider. As she becomes
> more
>> interested in the world of sex, she becomes a better rider, and
> riding
>> is an even more important part of her life, DiSclafani says.
>
> Ad a Midwestern farm girl, none of this applies to my world nor anyone
> else I know from these parts. My perspective is from firsthand knowledge
> and experience, not fantasy magazine articles.
> Can we equate a boy's love of fast cars as a sexual substitute as well,
> for that matter?

Probably!

The girls I am talking about did not live on farms. And when they would
talk, they would say things like, "When I grow up, I'm going to marry a
horse!" Yes, I love cats and other animals but I never wanted to marry one.

My mom grew up on a farm. But she hates animals. She sees them as filthy
things. Especially cats because they had barn cats and she saw them eating
mice and stuff.

"Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:26:37 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> On 7/10/2013 11:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:11:19 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>> >> On 7/10/2013 10:34 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona >
> wrote:
>> >> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
>> >> >> > ...
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
>> >> > >
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>> ...
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people
> can
>> >> > communicate
>> >> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not
>> > only
>> >> > "in
>> >> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out
>> > there
>> >> > who will
>> >> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope
> of
>> >> > having a
>> >> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the
> news
>> >> > show said.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business
> for
>> > her
>> >> > must
>> >> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is
> that
>> >> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a
>> > "news
>> >> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
>> >> > advertising
>> >> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by
> the
>> > FCC
>> >> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
>> >> > devote to
>> >> >> >>> advertising).
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> -sw
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for
> that.
>> > You
>> >> > can
>> >> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
>> >> > inter-action
>> >> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
>> >> > guesses
>> >> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and
>> > unseen
>> >> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated
>> > set of
>> >> >> >> hands.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I
> know
>> >> > people
>> >> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the
> time.
>> >> > Nothing
>> >> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and
>> > lots
>> >> > of
>> >> >> >> experience.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't
> necessarily
>> >> > dislike
>> >> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I
> don't
>> >> > know too much
>> >> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I
>> > never
>> >> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost
>> > sexual
>> >> > thing
>> >> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal,
> so
>> >> > your
>> >> >> assessment is not far off.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a
>> > pony and
>> >> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do
> with
>> > having
>> >> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers
>> > are no
>> >> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in your
>> > two
>> >> > warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's
>> > fairly
>> >> > clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in other
>> > worlds.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jinx
>> >
>> >
>> >> We may be at that, and I'll not dispute my world is not typical
>> >> mainstream Americana.
>> >
>> >
>> >> I also accept that your experience need not conform to my
> anecdotal
>> >> observations.
>> >
>> >
>> >> That aside, there is room to propose that there are elements of
>> > control
>> >> and sexuality involved for _some_ horse women:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >
> http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when...become-8216hor
>
>> > se-women8217.html
>> >
>> >
>> >> There's no denying that horseback riding, at least here on the
> East
>> >> Coast, is a sport thats tied up with privilege; little blonde
>> > girls
>> >> with pigtails photographed atop their ponies next to moms Jack
>> >> Russells; Polo Ralph Lauren; Georgina Bloomberg. I always think
>> > that
>> >> saddest part of the sport is that it is associated with the
> elite,
>> >> because at its heart of hearts, it's just being outdoors and
> being
>> > with
>> >> a beautiful creature. While it's still not cheap by any means,
> Nir
>> > says
>> >> that shes a strong enough rider to be able to sit on anything,
>> > and
>> >> makes it work by riding other people's fancy horses. As a
> grown-up,
>> > she
>> >> says the superficial values that made horseback riding slightly
>> > icky
>> >> back when she was younger mostly seems to have disappeared.
> Yennie
>> >> Solheim, another rider who works at Google and has been riding
>> > steadily
>> >> since she was a young girl, adds that as a teen, there was a lot
> of
>> >> pressure to have this fancy helmet, and that fancy riding coat.
>> > For me,
>> >> now, riding is purely a way for me to relax; it's a getaway.
>> >
>> >
>> >> As young girls, the barn offered the same thing. I was less
>> > interested
>> >> in boys than my friends were, DiSclafani says, and didn't,
> like,
>> > love
>> >> middle or high school. The barn was a total refuge. (Like her,
> and
>> > all
>> >> who rode, really, Christine Quinn writes in her new memoir that
>> >> horseback riding was the activity that sustained her as a
>> > teenager).
>> >
>> >
>> >> But the sexy stuff is unavoidable. This might be an
>> > oversimplification,
>> >> but girls have a lot of sexual energy at that time, and being
>> > obsessed
>> >> with horses was one way to direct that, DiSclafani adds. Looking
>> > back
>> >> on my early teens, my friends and I definitely used to talk about
>> > horses
>> >> like we talked about boys (whom we were definitely not talking
> to):
>> >> Wasnt Toy just so cute today? Sarah rode Lucky, and it was so
>> > clear he
>> >> didnt like her! Windy and I just really have such good
> chemistry.
>> > It's
>> >> no coincidence that Yonahlossee, a bildungsroman set during the
>> >> Depression about a young girl whose wealthy family sends her away
>> > to a
>> >> horse-centric boarding school, charts her relationship with an
>> > older man
>> >> as she becomes a more competitive horseback rider. As she
> becomes
>> > more
>> >> interested in the world of sex, she becomes a better rider, and
>> > riding
>> >> is an even more important part of her life, DiSclafani says.
>> >
>> > Ad a Midwestern farm girl, none of this applies to my world nor
> anyone
>> > else I know from these parts. My perspective is from firsthand
> knowledge
>> > and experience, not fantasy magazine articles.
>> > Can we equate a boy's love of fast cars as a sexual substitute as
> well,
>> > for that matter?
>
>
>> In some cases we might I suppose, though their puberty has unique
> facets
>> to it.
>
>
>> So?
>
>
>> What's so threatening about the horse article anyway?
>
>
>> It's not your experience after all.
>
> I didn't find it threatening, nor did I find it to support Julie's
> "knowledge" of a love of horses as being something sexual. Do you own a
> dog, by the way? Surely you know what people say about women and the real
> reason they own dogs, especially those big ones. Or snakes. Or hamsters.
>
> Ridiculous, isn't it?

I was not referring to a love of horses. I was referring to an obsession
with them.

"Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
...
> I didn't find it threatening, nor did I find it to support Julie's
> "knowledge" of a love of horses as being something sexual. Do you own a
> dog, by the way? Surely you know what people say about women and the real
> reason they own dogs, especially those big ones. Or snakes. Or hamsters.
>
> Ridiculous, isn't it?

Not really. Apparently you haven't accidentally stumbled onto some of the
same websites that I have. And I'm not going to expound on that.

"Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
...
>
> I concur, some people do have a predilection for odd behaviors, however,
> one should not extrapolate that to the whole of a population, as Julie did
> with her "girls who are horse crazy" post. Typical for Julie.

Angela has a friend who likes horses. She rides them. My two friends were
not the same. They spent their entire waking hours drawing horses, talking
about horses, collecting horse stuff and both said that they wanted to marry
a horse when they grew up. My mother would tell me this was not normal. I
don't know. Have never known any females like that since but have certainly
read about this topic in books that explore women's fantasies.

"casa bona" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/10/2013 1:41 PM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:16:59 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2013 12:04 PM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:26:37 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>> >> On 7/10/2013 11:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>> >> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:11:19 -0600, casa bona >
>> wrote:
>>> >> >> On 7/10/2013 10:34 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>> >> >> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >> >> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
>>> >> >> >> > ...
>>> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> >> >> >> >>>> ...
>>> >> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe
>> people
>>> > can
>>> >> >> > communicate
>>> >> >> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level.
>> Not
>>> >> > only
>>> >> >> > "in
>>> >> >> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and
>> telepathically.
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>>> >> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people
>> out
>>> >> > there
>>> >> >> > who will
>>> >> >> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false
>> hope
>>> > of
>>> >> >> > having a
>>> >> >> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
>>> >> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what
>> the
>>> > news
>>> >> >> > show said.
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business
>>> > for
>>> >> > her
>>> >> >> > must
>>> >> >> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays
>> is
>>> > that
>>> >> >> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them
>> in a
>>> >> > "news
>>> >> >> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make
>> more
>>> >> >> > advertising
>>> >> >> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by
>>> > the
>>> >> > FCC
>>> >> >> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you
>> may
>>> >> >> > devote to
>>> >> >> >> >>> advertising).
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>>> >> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>> -sw
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for
>>> > that.
>>> >> > You
>>> >> >> > can
>>> >> >> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
>>> >> >> > inter-action
>>> >> >> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make
>> educated
>>> >> >> > guesses
>>> >> >> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain
>> and
>>> >> > unseen
>>> >> >> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an
>> educated
>>> >> > set of
>>> >> >> >> >> hands.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but
>> I
>>> > know
>>> >> >> > people
>>> >> >> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the
>>> > time.
>>> >> >> > Nothing
>>> >> >> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch
>> and
>>> >> > lots
>>> >> >> > of
>>> >> >> >> >> experience.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't
>>> > necessarily
>>> >> >> > dislike
>>> >> >> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I
>>> > don't
>>> >> >> > know too much
>>> >> >> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse
>> crazy. I
>>> >> > never
>>> >> >> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of
>> almost
>>> >> > sexual
>>> >> >> > thing
>>> >> >> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large
>> animal,
>>> > so
>>> >> >> > your
>>> >> >> >> assessment is not far off.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for
>> a
>>> >> > pony and
>>> >> >> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do
>>> > with
>>> >> > having
>>> >> >> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse
>> lovers
>>> >> > are no
>>> >> >> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in
>> your
>>> >> > two
>>> >> >> > warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's
>>> >> > fairly
>>> >> >> > clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in
>> other
>>> >> > worlds.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Jinx
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> We may be at that, and I'll not dispute my world is not
>> typical
>>> >> >> mainstream Americana.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I also accept that your experience need not conform to my
>>> > anecdotal
>>> >> >> observations.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> That aside, there is room to propose that there are elements
>> of
>>> >> > control
>>> >> >> and sexuality involved for _some_ horse women:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >
>> http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when...become-8216hor
>>
>>> >
>>> >> > se-women8217.html
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> There's no denying that horseback riding, at least here on the
>>> > East
>>> >> >> Coast, is a sport thats tied up with privilege; little blonde
>>> >> > girls
>>> >> >> with pigtails photographed atop their ponies next to moms
>> Jack
>>> >> >> Russells; Polo Ralph Lauren; Georgina Bloomberg. I always
>> think
>>> >> > that
>>> >> >> saddest part of the sport is that it is associated with the
>>> > elite,
>>> >> >> because at its heart of hearts, it's just being outdoors and
>>> > being
>>> >> > with
>>> >> >> a beautiful creature. While it's still not cheap by any
>> means,
>>> > Nir
>>> >> > says
>>> >> >> that shes a strong enough rider to be able to sit on
>> anything,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> >> makes it work by riding other people's fancy horses. As a
>>> > grown-up,
>>> >> > she
>>> >> >> says the superficial values that made horseback riding
>> slightly
>>> >> > icky
>>> >> >> back when she was younger mostly seems to have disappeared.
>>> > Yennie
>>> >> >> Solheim, another rider who works at Google and has been riding
>>> >> > steadily
>>> >> >> since she was a young girl, adds that as a teen, there was a
>> lot
>>> > of
>>> >> >> pressure to have this fancy helmet, and that fancy riding
>> coat.
>>> >> > For me,
>>> >> >> now, riding is purely a way for me to relax; it's a getaway.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> As young girls, the barn offered the same thing. I was less
>>> >> > interested
>>> >> >> in boys than my friends were, DiSclafani says, and didn't,
>>> > like,
>>> >> > love
>>> >> >> middle or high school. The barn was a total refuge. (Like
>> her,
>>> > and
>>> >> > all
>>> >> >> who rode, really, Christine Quinn writes in her new memoir
>> that
>>> >> >> horseback riding was the activity that sustained her as a
>>> >> > teenager).
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> But the sexy stuff is unavoidable. This might be an
>>> >> > oversimplification,
>>> >> >> but girls have a lot of sexual energy at that time, and being
>>> >> > obsessed
>>> >> >> with horses was one way to direct that, DiSclafani adds.
>> Looking
>>> >> > back
>>> >> >> on my early teens, my friends and I definitely used to talk
>> about
>>> >> > horses
>>> >> >> like we talked about boys (whom we were definitely not talking
>>> > to):
>>> >> >> Wasnt Toy just so cute today? Sarah rode Lucky, and it was so
>>> >> > clear he
>>> >> >> didnt like her! Windy and I just really have such good
>>> > chemistry.
>>> >> > It's
>>> >> >> no coincidence that Yonahlossee, a bildungsroman set during
>> the
>>> >> >> Depression about a young girl whose wealthy family sends her
>> away
>>> >> > to a
>>> >> >> horse-centric boarding school, charts her relationship with an
>>> >> > older man
>>> >> >> as she becomes a more competitive horseback rider. As she
>>> > becomes
>>> >> > more
>>> >> >> interested in the world of sex, she becomes a better rider,
>> and
>>> >> > riding
>>> >> >> is an even more important part of her life, DiSclafani says.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ad a Midwestern farm girl, none of this applies to my world nor
>>> > anyone
>>> >> > else I know from these parts. My perspective is from firsthand
>>> > knowledge
>>> >> > and experience, not fantasy magazine articles.
>>> >> > Can we equate a boy's love of fast cars as a sexual substitute
>> as
>>> > well,
>>> >> > for that matter?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> In some cases we might I suppose, though their puberty has unique
>>> > facets
>>> >> to it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> So?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> What's so threatening about the horse article anyway?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> It's not your experience after all.
>>> >
>>> > I didn't find it threatening, nor did I find it to support Julie's
>>> > "knowledge" of a love of horses as being something sexual. Do
>> you own a
>>> > dog, by the way? Surely you know what people say about women and
>> the
>>> > real reason they own dogs, especially those big ones. Or snakes.
>> Or
>>> > hamsters.
>>> >
>>> > Ridiculous, isn't it?
>>
>>
>>> Given the prevalence of odd behaviors amongst species?
>>
>>
>>> Not so much.
>>
>>
>>> There was an incident not all that long ago in Washington state
>> between
>>> a man and a horse, I believe the man died.
>>
>> I concur, some people do have a predilection for odd behaviors, however,
>> one should not extrapolate that to the whole of a population, as Julie
>> did with her "girls who are horse crazy" post. Typical for Julie.
>
> Sorry, I didn't get that she meant all horsewomen as opposed to her "two
> friends".
>
> Might be you're reading more in there than need be.

I did not mean all and I was referring only to those who are obsessed with
them. Yes, I love cats. If I see a cat I will usually try to seek it out
and pet it or at least talk to it. But if you know how cats are, you'll
know that the cat will not usually willingly participate in this. The cat
will usually seek out the cat hater in the room. I think a great part of my
doing this is that my parents did not want me to have a real cat when I was
a child. They bought me stuffed ones. Not the same. We did have two real
ones briefly but they got rid of them. Told me one was sick and one was not
right in the head. Don't know if the one was sick. Was too young to know.

But the other had a litter of kittens and tried to kill them. We discovered
that she had likely mated with her father, the only unfixed male in the
area. I also know this is typical cat behavior when it is obvious that the
babies are damaged in some way as all but one of them obviously were. Born
with two heads or three legs. Stuff like that. The one that looked normal
may well have had internal problems. The cat was unfriendly to us after
that and my parents were afraid she would get pregnant again.

Sometimes I think my parents were not meant to have pets. Although we did
have a little high maintenance dog who lived to be 17, my brother and I were
also older then and able to listen to the vet and seek out helpful
information from books. We had two rabbits when I was a kid. Then when
Angela brought home the book about how to care for your rabbit and she read
it to me, I was horrified that we hadn't killed those poor rabbits! We did
everything wrong including feeding them, the type of hutch and where it was
kept! We also had a turtle that didn't last too long, many fish that died
rather quickly and another dog that was supposed to be small but grew huge
and ate everything in sight. They got rid of him.

I would never take that sort of attitude with a pet but as a child, I wasn't
given much choice. No matter how much I begged, pleaded or cried, I wasn't
going to get it when it came to a pet! Instead, when I got my first cat,
Maui, I prepared for her. I bought lots of books about caring for a
cat/kitten and moved to a new place where I could have one. I also bought
everything I needed ahead of time.

When we got our current cats, we prepared ourselves mentally for getting two
cats well in advance. We knew that it was only a matter of time for Maui on
this earth. She was elderly and in ill health. So I bought books about
multiple cats. And we had carriers, bowls, bigger litter box, etc. well
before we got them. I like to be prepared.

I would also never treat a pet as a disposable thing as some people do.
They are our family members.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:40:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
> "Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I concur, some people do have a predilection for odd behaviors,
however,
> > one should not extrapolate that to the whole of a population, as
Julie did
> > with her "girls who are horse crazy" post. Typical for Julie.


> Angela has a friend who likes horses. She rides them. My two
friends were
> not the same. They spent their entire waking hours drawing horses,
talking
> about horses, collecting horse stuff and both said that they wanted
to marry
> a horse when they grew up. My mother would tell me this was not
normal. I
> don't know. Have never known any females like that since but have
certainly
> read about this topic in books that explore women's fantasies.

And exactly how old were you then? What about little girls that say
they want to marry their daddy when they grow up? Please do not
confuse little girls obsessed with horses with grown up women with
deviant horse fantasies.

"Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:40:28 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>> "Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > I concur, some people do have a predilection for odd behaviors,
> however,
>> > one should not extrapolate that to the whole of a population, as
> Julie did
>> > with her "girls who are horse crazy" post. Typical for Julie.
>
>
>> Angela has a friend who likes horses. She rides them. My two
> friends were
>> not the same. They spent their entire waking hours drawing horses,
> talking
>> about horses, collecting horse stuff and both said that they wanted
> to marry
>> a horse when they grew up. My mother would tell me this was not
> normal. I
>> don't know. Have never known any females like that since but have
> certainly
>> read about this topic in books that explore women's fantasies.
>
> And exactly how old were you then? What about little girls that say they
> want to marry their daddy when they grow up? Please do not confuse little
> girls obsessed with horses with grown up women with deviant horse
> fantasies.

I've never heard of a little girl who wanted to marry her daddy. Their ages
were probably from 7 to 11. We grew apart after that. I had other
interests. They did not.

On 7/10/2013 2:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "casa bona" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/10/2013 1:41 PM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:16:59 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>>> On 7/10/2013 12:04 PM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:26:37 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/10/2013 11:23 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:11:19 -0600, casa bona >
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/10/2013 10:34 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "JBurns" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe
>>> people
>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> communicate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level.
>>> Not
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> "in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person", but most of all psychically and
>>> telepathically.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people
>>> out
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> who will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false
>>> hope
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> having a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loved one returned to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what
>>> the
>>>>> news
>>>>>>>>> show said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays
>>> is
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them
>>> in a
>>>>>>> "news
>>>>>>>>>>>>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make
>>> more
>>>>>>>>> advertising
>>>>>>>>>>>>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> FCC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you
>>> may
>>>>>>>>> devote to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> advertising).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for
>>>>> that.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
>>>>>>>>> inter-action
>>>>>>>>>>>> with other horses and people, allowing you to make
>>> educated
>>>>>>>>> guesses
>>>>>>>>>>>> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain
>>> and
>>>>>>> unseen
>>>>>>>>>>>> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an
>>> educated
>>>>>>> set of
>>>>>>>>>>>> hands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but
>>> I
>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the
>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>> Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch
>>> and
>>>>>>> lots
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That could be. I do love animals and while I don't
>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>>> dislike
>>>>>>>>>>> horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I
>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> know too much
>>>>>>>>>>> about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse
>>> crazy. I
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>> understood that. But apparently it is some sort of
>>> almost
>>>>>>> sexual
>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>> where they substitute the horse for a male.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It seems all to be about having control over a large
>>> animal,
>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> assessment is not far off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for
>>> a
>>>>>>> pony and
>>>>>>>>> actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>> control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse
>>> lovers
>>>>>>> are no
>>>>>>>>> different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in
>>> your
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>> warped fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's
>>>>>>> fairly
>>>>>>>>> clear to most of us here that you and Julie both live in
>>> other
>>>>>>> worlds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jinx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We may be at that, and I'll not dispute my world is not
>>> typical
>>>>>>>> mainstream Americana.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also accept that your experience need not conform to my
>>>>> anecdotal
>>>>>>>> observations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That aside, there is room to propose that there are elements
>>> of
>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>> and sexuality involved for _some_ horse women:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when...become-8216hor
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> se-women8217.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's no denying that horseback riding, at least here on the
>>>>> East
>>>>>>>> Coast, is a sport thats tied up with privilege; little blonde
>>>>>>> girls
>>>>>>>> with pigtails photographed atop their ponies next to moms
>>> Jack
>>>>>>>> Russells; Polo Ralph Lauren; Georgina Bloomberg. I always
>>> think
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> saddest part of the sport is that it is associated with the
>>>>> elite,
>>>>>>>> because at its heart of hearts, it's just being outdoors and
>>>>> being
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a beautiful creature. While it's still not cheap by any
>>> means,
>>>>> Nir
>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>> that shes a strong enough rider to be able to sit on
>>> anything,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> makes it work by riding other people's fancy horses. As a
>>>>> grown-up,
>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>> says the superficial values that made horseback riding
>>> slightly
>>>>>>> icky
>>>>>>>> back when she was younger mostly seems to have disappeared.
>>>>> Yennie
>>>>>>>> Solheim, another rider who works at Google and has been riding
>>>>>>> steadily
>>>>>>>> since she was a young girl, adds that as a teen, there was a
>>> lot
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> pressure to have this fancy helmet, and that fancy riding
>>> coat.
>>>>>>> For me,
>>>>>>>> now, riding is purely a way for me to relax; it's a getaway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As young girls, the barn offered the same thing. I was less
>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>> in boys than my friends were, DiSclafani says, and didn't,
>>>>> like,
>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>> middle or high school. The barn was a total refuge. (Like
>>> her,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> who rode, really, Christine Quinn writes in her new memoir
>>> that
>>>>>>>> horseback riding was the activity that sustained her as a
>>>>>>> teenager).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the sexy stuff is unavoidable. This might be an
>>>>>>> oversimplification,
>>>>>>>> but girls have a lot of sexual energy at that time, and being
>>>>>>> obsessed
>>>>>>>> with horses was one way to direct that, DiSclafani adds.
>>> Looking
>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>> on my early teens, my friends and I definitely used to talk
>>> about
>>>>>>> horses
>>>>>>>> like we talked about boys (whom we were definitely not talking
>>>>> to):
>>>>>>>> Wasnt Toy just so cute today? Sarah rode Lucky, and it was so
>>>>>>> clear he
>>>>>>>> didnt like her! Windy and I just really have such good
>>>>> chemistry.
>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>> no coincidence that Yonahlossee, a bildungsroman set during
>>> the
>>>>>>>> Depression about a young girl whose wealthy family sends her
>>> away
>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>> horse-centric boarding school, charts her relationship with an
>>>>>>> older man
>>>>>>>> as she becomes a more competitive horseback rider. As she
>>>>> becomes
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> interested in the world of sex, she becomes a better rider,
>>> and
>>>>>>> riding
>>>>>>>> is an even more important part of her life, DiSclafani says.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ad a Midwestern farm girl, none of this applies to my world nor
>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> else I know from these parts. My perspective is from firsthand
>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>> and experience, not fantasy magazine articles.
>>>>>>> Can we equate a boy's love of fast cars as a sexual substitute
>>> as
>>>>> well,
>>>>>>> for that matter?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In some cases we might I suppose, though their puberty has unique
>>>>> facets
>>>>>> to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What's so threatening about the horse article anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not your experience after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't find it threatening, nor did I find it to support Julie's
>>>>> "knowledge" of a love of horses as being something sexual. Do
>>> you own a
>>>>> dog, by the way? Surely you know what people say about women and
>>> the
>>>>> real reason they own dogs, especially those big ones. Or snakes.
>>> Or
>>>>> hamsters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ridiculous, isn't it?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Given the prevalence of odd behaviors amongst species?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not so much.
>>>
>>>
>>>> There was an incident not all that long ago in Washington state
>>> between
>>>> a man and a horse, I believe the man died.
>>>
>>> I concur, some people do have a predilection for odd behaviors, however,
>>> one should not extrapolate that to the whole of a population, as Julie
>>> did with her "girls who are horse crazy" post. Typical for Julie.
>>
>> Sorry, I didn't get that she meant all horsewomen as opposed to her "two
>> friends".
>>
>> Might be you're reading more in there than need be.
>
> I did not mean all and I was referring only to those who are obsessed with
> them. Yes, I love cats. If I see a cat I will usually try to seek it out
> and pet it or at least talk to it. But if you know how cats are, you'll
> know that the cat will not usually willingly participate in this. The cat
> will usually seek out the cat hater in the room. I think a great part of my
> doing this is that my parents did not want me to have a real cat when I was
> a child. They bought me stuffed ones. Not the same. We did have two real
> ones briefly but they got rid of them. Told me one was sick and one was not
> right in the head. Don't know if the one was sick. Was too young to know.
>
> But the other had a litter of kittens and tried to kill them. We discovered
> that she had likely mated with her father, the only unfixed male in the
> area. I also know this is typical cat behavior when it is obvious that the
> babies are damaged in some way as all but one of them obviously were. Born
> with two heads or three legs. Stuff like that. The one that looked normal
> may well have had internal problems. The cat was unfriendly to us after
> that and my parents were afraid she would get pregnant again.
>
> Sometimes I think my parents were not meant to have pets. Although we did
> have a little high maintenance dog who lived to be 17, my brother and I were
> also older then and able to listen to the vet and seek out helpful
> information from books. We had two rabbits when I was a kid. Then when
> Angela brought home the book about how to care for your rabbit and she read
> it to me, I was horrified that we hadn't killed those poor rabbits! We did
> everything wrong including feeding them, the type of hutch and where it was
> kept! We also had a turtle that didn't last too long, many fish that died
> rather quickly and another dog that was supposed to be small but grew huge
> and ate everything in sight. They got rid of him.
>
> I would never take that sort of attitude with a pet but as a child, I wasn't
> given much choice. No matter how much I begged, pleaded or cried, I wasn't
> going to get it when it came to a pet! Instead, when I got my first cat,
> Maui, I prepared for her. I bought lots of books about caring for a
> cat/kitten and moved to a new place where I could have one. I also bought
> everything I needed ahead of time.
>
> When we got our current cats, we prepared ourselves mentally for getting two
> cats well in advance. We knew that it was only a matter of time for Maui on
> this earth. She was elderly and in ill health. So I bought books about
> multiple cats. And we had carriers, bowls, bigger litter box, etc. well
> before we got them. I like to be prepared.
>
> I would also never treat a pet as a disposable thing as some people do.
> They are our family members.
>
>
That was very eloquently stated, and I do know how cats always go for
the lap of the one least inclined to tolerate them, natural born
recruiters they are ;-)

On 7/10/2013 2:05 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
> ...

>> Why did you drive to the shelters? Couldn't you have just phoned them
>> and given them a descripton of the cats?
>
> No I could not and it says it right on their website. They are staffed with
> all volunteers and can not give that information over the phone.

You did the right thing going in person. That way you can check
yourself if one of the volunteers thinks they have a cat that matches
the description and sometimes over the phone they are just too busy to
check properly. I'd go back again in a few days if you can, to look for
Bali.

I read in another thread you have Jazzy home. Yay! I'm so glad! One
down, one to go. I hope she's ok. Thanks for the update!


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On 7/10/2013 4:59 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> Another point about microchips: if you move or change phone numbers call
> the company and give them your new info. When I had Persia chipped I
> was given a tag with an ID number and their phone number. When we
> moved, I called and had them update their database.
>
> Many lost pets have been reunited with their owners (some *many* years
> later) due to microchip technology. But having a chip is only useful if
> the information is kept current.

Yeah, they give you that info in the packet when you chip them. I just
forgot about it until this thread. Its fine the way it is. If she gets
lost and someone calls me, I can go get her or have my sister do it.

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"casa bona" > wrote in message
...
> That was very eloquently stated, and I do know how cats always go for the
> lap of the one least inclined to tolerate them, natural born recruiters
> they are ;-)

Yeah. Cats are interesting creatures!

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 7/10/2013 2:05 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>>> Why did you drive to the shelters? Couldn't you have just phoned them
>>> and given them a descripton of the cats?
>>
>> No I could not and it says it right on their website. They are staffed
>> with
>> all volunteers and can not give that information over the phone.
>
> You did the right thing going in person. That way you can check yourself
> if one of the volunteers thinks they have a cat that matches the
> description and sometimes over the phone they are just too busy to check
> properly. I'd go back again in a few days if you can, to look for Bali.
>
> I read in another thread you have Jazzy home. Yay! I'm so glad! One
> down, one to go. I hope she's ok. Thanks for the update!

I just really do think that Bali is no longer with us. Jazzy seems to be
very peaceful about the whole thing. I think she needed the closure before
she could come back home. If Bali was indeed stuck and suffering, of course
that would be horrible but... She would have had to had been stuck in some
area that we simply could not get to. Although she was running very fast on
that first night when she got out the window, the vet said she may indeed
have been injured then. She said an injury by a raccoon (if in fact that is
what it was) can be quite serious and she may well have been just running in
fright.

Oddly enough, Jazzy did not seem to be afraid of the very window she was
snatched out of but she was very afraid when I opened the front door. I did
open the kitchen door to get a breeze in. It is well pet proofed unless
something wants to jump up very high. The former owners took some kind of
crappy old storm door and modified it. The screen is in the top portion and
that has been repaired. The lower where the glass would normally be, is
some sort of metal grill thing. And over that is Plexiglas screwed on, on
either side. Other than that I don't dare open anything more than maybe an
inch if that. So it is a tad warm in here. We may suffer this weekend
because it will be hotter then. Handyman can't come till Tues. to put the
stuff on the windows for protection.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 7/10/2013 4:59 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Another point about microchips: if you move or change phone numbers call
>> the company and give them your new info. When I had Persia chipped I
>> was given a tag with an ID number and their phone number. When we
>> moved, I called and had them update their database.
>>
>> Many lost pets have been reunited with their owners (some *many* years
>> later) due to microchip technology. But having a chip is only useful if
>> the information is kept current.
>
> Yeah, they give you that info in the packet when you chip them. I just
> forgot about it until this thread. Its fine the way it is. If she gets
> lost and someone calls me, I can go get her or have my sister do it.

I guess people don't tend to think of such things but we have made so many
moves that changing the address on things is one of the first things I do
when I move. That and now changing my email address. The one that really
sucks for me is Terminix. Although they have my correct email, my log in is
still my old one with Verizon. They told me there is no way to change it
without setting up a new account. I am just too lazy to do that!

Then today at Les Schwab, the lady kept trying to tell me that I had no
account with them. I have been in there many times and remember her well.
Itty bitty thing with a deep tan no matter the time of year. As such her
skin looks terrible but I digress. Turns out they had two digits transposed
on my phone number. When she put it in by phone number, nothing came up.
But my name did.

On 7/10/2013 8:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "casa bona" > wrote in message
> ...
>> That was very eloquently stated, and I do know how cats always go for the
>> lap of the one least inclined to tolerate them, natural born recruiters
>> they are ;-)
>
> Yeah. Cats are interesting creatures!
>
>
The most, for inside companions.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 02:07:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"JBurns" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can communicate
>>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only "in
>>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>>>>>
>>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>>>
>>>I'll let somebody else field that one.
>>>
>>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>>>>
>>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there who will
>>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of having a
>>>>> loved one returned to you.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news show said.
>>>
>>>Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for her must
>>>be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
>>>advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a "news
>>>story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more advertising
>>>money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the FCC
>>>(namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may devote to
>>>advertising).
>>>
>>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>>>
>>>You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>>>
>>>-sw
>>
>> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that. You can
>> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and inter-action
>> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated guesses
>> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and unseen
>> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated set of
>> hands.
>>
>> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know people
>> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time. Nothing
>> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and lots of
>> experience.
>
>That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily dislike
>horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't know too much
>about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I never
>understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost sexual thing
>where they substitute the horse for a male.

That is rubbish, perpetuated by sexually frustrated teenage boys that
wish she would ride them instead of the horse (and some who are not
teenagers, just dirty minded).

JB


>

"JBurns" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 02:07:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"JBurns" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can
>>>>>> communicate
>>>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not only "in
>>>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>>>>
>>>>I'll let somebody else field that one.
>>>>
>>>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out there who
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of having a
>>>>>> loved one returned to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news show
>>>>> said.
>>>>
>>>>Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for her must
>>>>be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
>>>>advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a "news
>>>>story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more advertising
>>>>money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the FCC
>>>>(namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may devote to
>>>>advertising).
>>>>
>>>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>>>>
>>>>You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>>>>
>>>>-sw
>>>
>>> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that. You can
>>> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and inter-action
>>> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated guesses
>>> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and unseen
>>> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated set of
>>> hands.
>>>
>>> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know people
>>> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time. Nothing
>>> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and lots of
>>> experience.
>>
>>That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily dislike
>>horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't know too
>>much
>>about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I never
>>understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost sexual thing
>>where they substitute the horse for a male.
>
> That is rubbish, perpetuated by sexually frustrated teenage boys that
> wish she would ride them instead of the horse (and some who are not
> teenagers, just dirty minded).

That could be too.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:33:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:02:34 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>> wrote:
>>> "Jinx the Minx" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0600, casa bona > wrote:
>>> >> On 7/10/2013 3:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >> > "JBurns" > wrote in message
>>> >> > ...
>>> >> >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:48:43 -0500, Sqwertz
>>> > >
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> >> >>>> ...
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>> I think it's ridiculous that some folks believe people can
>>> > communicate
>>> >> >>>>> with cats on anything but the most primitive level. Not
>> only
>>> > "in
>>> >> >>>>> person", but most of all psychically and telepathically.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>> I could communicate with a cat once.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I'll let somebody else field that one.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> Alas, I do not have the same abilities with my cats.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>> What's not hard to believe is that there are people out
>> there
>>> > who will
>>> >> >>>>> gladly relieve you of your money for giving false hope of
>>> > having a
>>> >> >>>>> loved one returned to you.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Yes. I am thinking this lady is wrong despite what the news
>>> > show said.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Oh, she was recently on the news <sigh>. Then business for
>> her
>>> > must
>>> >> >>> be booming. What is happening all too often nowadays is that
>>> >> >>> advertisers are paying media outlets to feature them in a
>> "news
>>> >> >>> story". This is how media, especially TV, can make more
>>> > advertising
>>> >> >>> money while still abiding by content rules set forth by the
>> FCC
>>> >> >>> (namely, they dictate a maximum amount of air-time you may
>>> > devote to
>>> >> >>> advertising).
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> She's an elderly lady. I'll give you her link.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> http://www.annettebetcher.com/index.shtml
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> You can Betcher ass her abilities are all fictitious.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> -sw
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> She works primarily with horses. There is a reason for that.
>> You
>>> > can
>>> >> >> tell an awful lot about a horse by its body language and
>>> > inter-action
>>> >> >> with other horses and people, allowing you to make educated
>>> > guesses
>>> >> >> about its previous treatment, neuroses and fears. Pain and
>> unseen
>>> >> >> injuries are also easy enough to diagnose with an educated
>> set of
>>> >> >> hands.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I could do this and be right about 70% of the time, but I know
>>> > people
>>> >> >> that would *connect* with the horse about 90-95% of the time.
>>> > Nothing
>>> >> >> psychic about it though, just good rapport, good touch and
>> lots
>>> > of
>>> >> >> experience.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That could be. I do love animals and while I don't necessarily
>>> > dislike
>>> >> > horses, they are for sure not my favorite animal. So I don't
>>> > know too much
>>> >> > about me. Had two friends as a kid who were horse crazy. I
>> never
>>> >> > understood that. But apparently it is some sort of almost
>> sexual
>>> > thing
>>> >> > where they substitute the horse for a male.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> It seems all to be about having control over a large animal, so
>>> > your
>>> >> assessment is not far off.
>>> >
>>> > That's complete crap. As a "horse crazy" girl, I wished for a
>> pony and
>>> > actually got one for my 9th birthday. It has nothing to do with
>> having
>>> > control over a large animal nor anything sexual. Horse lovers
>> are no
>>> > different than cat or dog obsessed pet owners. Perhaps in your
>> two warped
>>> > fantasy worlds its something more than that, but it's fairly
>> clear to most
>>> > of us here that you and Julie both live in other worlds.
>>
>>
>>> I only said that because I had read about it. I have always loved
>> cats and
>>> squirrels. But my love for them was in no way like my friend's
>> with their
>>> horses.
>>
>> I once read that people who own cats do so because they have sexual
>> fantasies about them. It's true, isn't it?
>
>Not the same.
>
>http://www.npr.org/2011/02/09/133600...s-and-dolphins

Where in that did it say that " apparently it is some sort of almost
sexual thing where they substitute the horse for a male"?

The fact is that a relationship with a horse is one of the biggest and
closest many people will have with an animal, due to the fact that
they are not just a pet. Safe riding and handling of your horse
depends on a mutually trusting relationship.

JB

>