"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> Acquitted!

I didn't really follow the story much. But I'm not sure if having a
concealed weapon is self defense. Seems more like entrapment to me.

On the other hand, it was kind of ridiculous how the media kept showing the
photo of Treyvon at 11 when he was actually 17.


W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:46:02 -0400, "Christopher M."
> wrote:

>
> I didn't really follow the story much. But I'm not sure if having a
> concealed weapon is self defense. Seems more like entrapment to me.
>
> On the other hand, it was kind of ridiculous how the media kept showing the
> photo of Treyvon at 11 when he was actually 17.
>
Not sure why that matters. Give or take a few years, the kid was
still dead.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:48:26 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:46:02 -0400, "Christopher M."
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I didn't really follow the story much. But I'm not sure if having a
>> concealed weapon is self defense. Seems more like entrapment to me.
>>
>> On the other hand, it was kind of ridiculous how the media kept showing the
>> photo of Treyvon at 11 when he was actually 17.
>>
>Not sure why that matters. Give or take a few years, the kid was
>still dead.

It affects people's perception. When they first showed the young boy
photo, people really rallied around about the poor little boy that was
shot. Once they showed the more manly looking 17 year old in a
hoodie, public perception started to change.

Show people photos of a mean junkyard dog and a cute puppy and ask
which one they'd like to have living next door. Ask which one bit the
baby.

We put a lot of faith in appearance and make decisions based on it. Go
back to the Nixon-Kennedy debates.

sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:46:02 -0400, "Christopher M."
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > I didn't really follow the story much. But I'm not sure if having a
> > concealed weapon is self defense. Seems more like entrapment to me.
> >
> > On the other hand, it was kind of ridiculous how the media kept showing the
> > photo of Treyvon at 11 when he was actually 17.
> >
> Not sure why that matters. Give or take a few years, the kid was
> still dead.

It matters a lot. Being attacked by a 12 year old and being attacked by
a 17 year old who looked 20 by many accounts including those of the
ambulance crew are very different.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:20:34 -0400, Susan wrote:
>
>> His only purposes on that walk were snacks for him and his brother, and
>> then, to save his own life against a pursuer.
>
> And to smoke a blunt on the way up there.

And to make purple drank when he got home.

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:20:34 -0400, Susan > wrote:



>
>His only purposes on that walk were snacks for him and his brother, and
>then, to save his own life against a pursuer.
>
>Susan

If he was trying to save his own life, why did he not go inside his
Uncle's house and stay there? Why did he not call 911? We are
missing big parts of this puzzle.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:20:34 -0400, Susan > wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>His only purposes on that walk were snacks for him and his brother, and
>>then, to save his own life against a pursuer.
>>
>>Susan
>
> If he was trying to save his own life, why did he not go inside his
> Uncle's house and stay there? Why did he not call 911? We are
> missing big parts of this puzzle.

He was staying at his DAD's house and he was almost there when he was
accosted. The whole thing transpired in like 1 and a half minutes. When
did he have the chance? When did inner city black people start calling the
cops?

There is no puzzle here. Take Zimmerman out of the picture and what do you
have? A black kid on a couch drinking tea and eating Skittles while
watching the second half of the All Starts game.

Any questions?

"Paul M. Cook" wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:20:34 -0400, Susan > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>His only purposes on that walk were snacks for him and his brother, and
> >>then, to save his own life against a pursuer.
> >>
> >>Susan
> >
> > If he was trying to save his own life, why did he not go inside his
> > Uncle's house and stay there? Why did he not call 911? We are
> > missing big parts of this puzzle.
>
> He was staying at his DAD's house and he was almost there when he was
> accosted. The whole thing transpired in like 1 and a half minutes. When
> did he have the chance? When did inner city black people start calling the
> cops?
>
> There is no puzzle here. Take Zimmerman out of the picture and what do you
> have? A black kid on a couch drinking tea and eating Skittles while
> watching the second half of the All Starts game.
>
> Any questions?

Take an angry black kid racially profiling and physically attacking an
innocent person walking in their own neighborhood out of the picture and
what do you have? A black kid who would still be alive and an innocent
man who wouldn't have a broken nose, head injuries or be the subject of
politically motivated malicious prosecution with criminally withheld
evidence.

On 7/14/2013 10:23 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> Take an angry black kid racially profiling and physically attacking an
> innocent person walking in their own neighborhood out of the picture and
> what do you have? A black kid who would still be alive and an innocent
> man who wouldn't have a broken nose, head injuries or be the subject of
> politically motivated malicious prosecution with criminally withheld
> evidence.
>

Obviously you wouldn't say that if it was your kid that was gunned down
on the street by some random goofball with a gun.

OTOH, I'm just glad that the USA is not seen as being totally corrupt
and without common sense by a few non-Americans. Keep up the good work. :-)

dsi1 wrote:
>
> On 7/14/2013 10:23 AM, Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > Take an angry black kid racially profiling and physically attacking an
> > innocent person walking in their own neighborhood out of the picture and
> > what do you have? A black kid who would still be alive and an innocent
> > man who wouldn't have a broken nose, head injuries or be the subject of
> > politically motivated malicious prosecution with criminally withheld
> > evidence.
> >
>
> Obviously you wouldn't say that if it was your kid that was gunned down
> on the street by some random goofball with a gun.

If it was my kid he wouldn't have racially profiled someone walking in
their own neighborhood, nor would he have physically attacked that
person in a premeditated racially motivated hate crime.

My kid would either have run to the house he was staying at and locked
the door behind him, or he would have stopped and asked the person why
he seemed to be following him. If asked "why are you here?" while he was
in a private gated community he didn't live in, he would answer politely
that he was visiting his father's girlfriend.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" wrote:
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:20:34 -0400, Susan > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>His only purposes on that walk were snacks for him and his brother, and
>> >>then, to save his own life against a pursuer.
>> >>
>> >>Susan
>> >
>> > If he was trying to save his own life, why did he not go inside his
>> > Uncle's house and stay there? Why did he not call 911? We are
>> > missing big parts of this puzzle.
>>
>> He was staying at his DAD's house and he was almost there when he was
>> accosted. The whole thing transpired in like 1 and a half minutes. When
>> did he have the chance? When did inner city black people start calling
>> the
>> cops?
>>
>> There is no puzzle here. Take Zimmerman out of the picture and what do
>> you
>> have? A black kid on a couch drinking tea and eating Skittles while
>> watching the second half of the All Starts game.
>>
>> Any questions?
>
> Take an angry black kid racially profiling and physically attacking an
> innocent person walking in their own neighborhood out of the picture and
> what do you have? A black kid who would still be alive and an innocent
> man who wouldn't have a broken nose, head injuries or be the subject of
> politically motivated malicious prosecution with criminally withheld
> evidence.


What would you call a person who has two arrest records for assault, one on
his GF and one on a COP? How about a third incident when he was a bouncer
at a party and threw a woman across a room and she broke her ankle? Are
those the actions of a calm, rational person? Tell me Einstein, what kind
of a person takes a swing at a cop? Now show me the slightest shred of
evidence that Martin had a violent streak.

You would have me believe if you, yourself was approached by a totral
strfanger who had been following you in his vehicle that you would think
nothing of it whatsoever and just calmly ask the gentleman over to your
place for some tea and cookies?

You're an idiot. And a bigot.

..

On 7/14/2013 10:39 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> On 7/14/2013 10:23 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>>>
>>> Take an angry black kid racially profiling and physically attacking an
>>> innocent person walking in their own neighborhood out of the picture and
>>> what do you have? A black kid who would still be alive and an innocent
>>> man who wouldn't have a broken nose, head injuries or be the subject of
>>> politically motivated malicious prosecution with criminally withheld
>>> evidence.
>>>
>>
>> Obviously you wouldn't say that if it was your kid that was gunned down
>> on the street by some random goofball with a gun.
>
> If it was my kid he wouldn't have racially profiled someone walking in
> their own neighborhood, nor would he have physically attacked that
> person in a premeditated racially motivated hate crime.
>
> My kid would either have run to the house he was staying at and locked
> the door behind him, or he would have stopped and asked the person why
> he seemed to be following him. If asked "why are you here?" while he was
> in a private gated community he didn't live in, he would answer politely
> that he was visiting his father's girlfriend.
>

Obviously, you've never raised a kid but thanks for your efforts in
backing up the USA. Please keep up your good works!

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/14/2013 10:39 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/14/2013 10:23 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Take an angry black kid racially profiling and physically attacking an
>>>> innocent person walking in their own neighborhood out of the picture
>>>> and
>>>> what do you have? A black kid who would still be alive and an innocent
>>>> man who wouldn't have a broken nose, head injuries or be the subject of
>>>> politically motivated malicious prosecution with criminally withheld
>>>> evidence.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously you wouldn't say that if it was your kid that was gunned down
>>> on the street by some random goofball with a gun.
>>
>> If it was my kid he wouldn't have racially profiled someone walking in
>> their own neighborhood, nor would he have physically attacked that
>> person in a premeditated racially motivated hate crime.
>>
>> My kid would either have run to the house he was staying at and locked
>> the door behind him, or he would have stopped and asked the person why
>> he seemed to be following him. If asked "why are you here?" while he was
>> in a private gated community he didn't live in, he would answer politely
>> that he was visiting his father's girlfriend.
>>
>
> Obviously, you've never raised a kid but thanks for your efforts in
> backing up the USA. Please keep up your good works!
>

Only in Europe would a person feel threatened by being followed by a
stranger in a truck. Martin was completely irrational for even thinking
somebody had anything but the most noble and innocent of intentions. The
rest of us Americans would introduce ourselves and even hand the person our
wallet and ID and ask if we can be of any assistance to them.

We do things differently here than the other so called countries.

Very glad to hear the good news about George being acquitted. Was a sad day for our criminal justice system to bring it to trial. Surely a political prosecution prompted by remarks by Obie..the Reverrreds Jacksawn/ Sharpton and other race pimps. Political Correctness is a bad old disease which is going to kill us all.

"Paul M. Cook" wrote:
>
> Tell me Einstein, what kind
> of a person takes a swing at a cop?

The cop who was supposedly assaulted was not in uniform and had not
identified themselves as a cop. That person grabbed one of Zimmerman's
friends and like any of us would have done, Zimmerman jumped to his
friends assistance. This is why that assault charge was dropped.

> Now show me the slightest shred of
> evidence that Martin had a violent streak.

How about the pile of text messages on his phone talking about fights.
How about his suspensions from school? How about the pics and messages
on his phone indicating he was trying to illegally buy a handgun? That's
a lot of evidence there.

>
> You would have me believe if you, yourself was approached by a totral
> strfanger who had been following you in his vehicle that you would think
> nothing of it whatsoever and just calmly ask the gentleman over to your
> place for some tea and cookies?

If I was in a private gated community I was not a resident of,
absolutely I would talk to that person in a civilized manner and not
physically attack them.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" wrote:
>>
>> Tell me Einstein, what kind
>> of a person takes a swing at a cop?
>
> The cop who was supposedly assaulted was not in uniform and had not
> identified themselves as a cop. That person grabbed one of Zimmerman's
> friends and like any of us would have done, Zimmerman jumped to his
> friends assistance. This is why that assault charge was dropped.
>
>> Now show me the slightest shred of
>> evidence that Martin had a violent streak.
>
> How about the pile of text messages on his phone talking about fights.
> How about his suspensions from school? How about the pics and messages
> on his phone indicating he was trying to illegally buy a handgun? That's
> a lot of evidence there.
>
>>
>> You would have me believe if you, yourself was approached by a totral
>> strfanger who had been following you in his vehicle that you would think
>> nothing of it whatsoever and just calmly ask the gentleman over to your
>> place for some tea and cookies?
>
> If I was in a private gated community I was not a resident of,
> absolutely I would talk to that person in a civilized manner and not
> physically attack them.

I would do the same in a public place.

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:42:35 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
>"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" wrote:
>>>
>>> Tell me Einstein, what kind
>>> of a person takes a swing at a cop?
>>
>> The cop who was supposedly assaulted was not in uniform and had not
>> identified themselves as a cop. That person grabbed one of Zimmerman's
>> friends and like any of us would have done, Zimmerman jumped to his
>> friends assistance. This is why that assault charge was dropped.
>>
>>> Now show me the slightest shred of
>>> evidence that Martin had a violent streak.
>>
>> How about the pile of text messages on his phone talking about fights.
>> How about his suspensions from school? How about the pics and messages
>> on his phone indicating he was trying to illegally buy a handgun? That's
>> a lot of evidence there.
>>
>>>
>>> You would have me believe if you, yourself was approached by a totral
>>> strfanger who had been following you in his vehicle that you would think
>>> nothing of it whatsoever and just calmly ask the gentleman over to your
>>> place for some tea and cookies?
>>
>> If I was in a private gated community I was not a resident of,
>> absolutely I would talk to that person in a civilized manner and not
>> physically attack them.
>
>I would do the same in a public place.

Yeah, right... you'd have pulled your Pico Rican switchblade! LOL-LOL

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

On 14/07/2013 5:35 PM, Pete C. wrote:

>> High end? Have you seen the place? It's a cheap townhouse community. The
>> houses butt up against each other like apartments. The gates are only there
>> to keep unneccessary traffic out. The homes are very much low end starter
>> houses.
>
> Regardless of whether you think the place is high class or low class,
> the fact remains that it is a private gated community, not a public
> sidewalk and the laws that apply to private property are different from
> public property. Trayvon was there only as a guest and was most
> certainly subject to being asked why he was there.
>


Well that's just it. The *law*. The law does not change, just the rules
that the local community makes, but which do not carry the force of law.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:55:23 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:53:37 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>> He was staying at his DAD's house and he was almost there when he was
>>>> accosted. The whole thing transpired in like 1 and a half minutes.
>>>> When
>>>> did he have the chance? When did inner city black people start calling
>>>> the
>>>> cops?
>>>
>>> The girl testified that he said he was already home. Then apparently
>>> went back out, and far enough away from his house that his family
>>> wasn't even aware of the incident and the commotion outside until the
>>> next day.
>>
>> No she did not. She said and I watched it - she said "I told him to run
>> but
>> he said no because he was almost home."
>
> I'm just going by this media report:
>
> "The pair then got cut off and when she called him back he told her he
> was back at his father's fiancee's house and he thought he had lost
> the man."
>
> But it is widely believed that Trayvon did double back and Zimmerman
> did stop following him when the dispatcher told him to. There are a
> few youtube videos that track their progress through the complex.
>

Did they ever find any of the bushes Martin jumped out of? Because looking
at the pictures all you see are 2 foot tall shrubs.

I guess what all this means is black males are going to have to be taught
how to conduct themselves in front of their white masters. One wrong move
and it's game over and you are branded a hoodlum who deserved it. Maybe we
should start a eugenics program and abort all black males because they are
all a threat to society? Maybe today they are just walking and carrying tea
but tomorrow they are raping your wife and stealing your car after beating
you to death so kill them now while you can.

I believe Bush called it a pre-emptive strike.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 14/07/2013 8:27 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Well that's just it. The *law*. The law does not change, just the
>> >> rules
>> >> that the local community makes, but which do not carry the force of
>> >> law.
>> >
>> > Yes, the law does change, since on private property a person not
>> > authorized to be there is trespassing, and on private property there is
>> > not right to be free of someone asking why you are there and if you are
>> > authorized to be there.
>>
>> But.... he was authorized to be there.
>
> Yes and he could have answered in a civilized manner that the was
> visiting his father's girlfriend who lived there. Instead he decided
> that it was a good idea to physically attack someone who asked a
> question, and that criminal assault is what got him killed. It isn't
> even a gun thing, since if Zimmerman's flailing arm had found a rock and
> he smashed Mr. Martin in the head with it to stop the attack it would
> still be self defense.

So according to Zim;'s own testimony he said Martin demanded to know why he
was being followed. He clamis Martin then said "You got a problem, homie"
and at that time Zimmerman could have said "I am from neighborhood watch."
Instead he said "I haven't got a problem."

So why, Perry Mason, was there no onus on Zimmerman to identify himself
since he was the one tailing Martin in the first place?

"bigwheel" > wrote in message
...
>
> 'Christopher M.[_5_ Wrote:
>> ;1848721']"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
>> ...-
>> Acquitted!-
>>
>> I didn't really follow the story much. But I'm not sure if having a
>> concealed weapon is self defense. Seems more like entrapment to me.
>>
>> On the other hand, it was kind of ridiculous how the media kept showing
>> the
>> photo of Treyvon at 11 when he was actually 17.
>>
>>
>> W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
>
> Very glad to hear the good news about George being acquitted. Was a sad
> day for our criminal justice system to bring it to trial. Surely a
> political prosecution prompted by remarks by Obie..the Reverrreds
> Jacksawn/ Sharpton and other race pimps. Political Correctness is a bad
> old disease which is going to kill us all.

I don't know all the facts of the case, but the media is pretty ridiculous,
and maybe even malicious, to keep running that 11 year old photo of Treyvon.
Treyvon was 17 and 6' 3".


W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)

On 15/07/2013 2:04 PM, Christopher M. wrote:
>
> I don't know all the facts of the case, but the media is pretty ridiculous,
> and maybe even malicious, to keep running that 11 year old photo of Treyvon.
> Treyvon was 17 and 6' 3".
>
>
>
The media is notorious for using stock photos. They get a picture and
they use it, and if they run the story again they usually use the same
photos. Sometimes they go to their archives and grab any old photo and
stick it in with a bullshit caption. You may remember photos that
appeared in newspapers after 9/11 with Arabs celebrating at the news.
Curiously, the bright sun and shadows in the photos make it appear to be
much earlier in the day.

One of the worst cases I ever saw was when JFK was assassinated. There
was a photo with a caption about it being a man in Paris who was crying
at the news of Kennedy's death. I had seen the exact same photo before
just in a Time Life <?> book about WW II and the caption with that one
said that it was a man crying at the sight of German soldiers marching
into Paris.