Helpful person wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 19, 2013 12:27:32 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
> >
> > I live in RI - know what my annual mileage comes out to? Under 10K. Of
> > course it's on some of the most congested and ill maintained roadways in
> > the country and drivers who will try the patience of a saint.
>
> I'm planning to go to Rhode Island this weekend with my daughter.
> She's vegetarian but eats eggs and fish. Any restaurant recommendations
> in Newport that are reasonably priced?

Newport is such a cool town. I lived there for 1.4 years in 70-71, then
went back for a day visit in 1979. Any restaurant I might have known is
probably long gone by now but enjoy your visit. I really miss the place.
:-D

G.

On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 21:33:40 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> A woman sent an email to the Dataw listserv. Subject: Whole Foods to
>> Open in August! She was all excited.
>>
>> I read the email. She's excited because she won't have to drive to Mt.
>> Pleasant, SC anymore. Mt. Pleasant is at least 100 miles away. Now
>> she'll only have to drive about 50 miles to Savannah, GA!
>>
>> Would you drive that far just to shop at a Whole Foods? Or any specific
>> store, for that matter?
>>
>> I would need more than that one reason to make the trip.
>>
>> Jill
>
>I drive 20 miles to the only meat store I know of that sells chicken
>backs.

WTF would anyone buy chicken backs... I remove the backs and toss them
to the critters, I don't want spinal cord fluid in my dish.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> >I drive 20 miles to the only meat store I know of that sells chicken
> >backs.
>
> WTF would anyone buy chicken backs...

Good for making chicken broth/stock
Good for catching crabs in season

G.

On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:59:59 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> A woman sent an email to the Dataw listserv. Subject: Whole Foods to
>
> Open in August! She was all excited.
>
>
>
> I read the email. She's excited because she won't have to drive to Mt.
>
> Pleasant, SC anymore. Mt. Pleasant is at least 100 miles away. Now
>
> she'll only have to drive about 50 miles to Savannah, GA!
>
>
>
> Would you drive that far just to shop at a Whole Foods? Or any specific
>
> store, for that matter?
>
>
>
> I would need more than that one reason to make the trip.
>
>
>
> Jill

I'd never drive that far to a food store, unless they had a BOGO on every item I use, or something impossible like that.

Maybe she loads up on stuff she can't get elsewhere. Who knows? Maybe she visits someone on the way or makes some other stops. I have friends who have a choice of a major supmkt 40 miles one way or 35 the other. Price of rural living.

On Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:00:05 PM UTC-4, Jean B. wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > What am I doing that's so unusually efficient, don't most people shop
>
> > with a list? I only keep a list so I won't forget things but that
>
> > doesn't mean I only stick to my list, I typically buy a lot more items
>
> > that are not on my list as once I get to the stores I notice things I
>
> > hadn't thought about. And I'd think by now since the advent of
>
> > ridiculously steep fuel prices folks would have long ago began
>
> > consolidating their shopping trips.
>
>
>
> I guess I have been and am spoiled by the proximity of various
>
> markets. Thus I go to the store quite frequently armed with my
>
> list. I get ca 55 mpg, so I don't seriously dent a gallon even
>
> with multiple trips.

Tell us what kind of car gets 55 mpg on what you make sound like a lot of short hops?

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:38:04 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

> On Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:00:05 PM UTC-4, Jean B. wrote:
> > I get ca 55 mpg, so I don't seriously dent a gallon even with multiple trips.
>
> Tell us what kind of car gets 55 mpg on what you make sound like a lot of short hops?

It's probably a hybrid.
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/lista...umentid=745437



--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

T wrote:
> Oh Asian food places are only a few blocks away from me here. I guess
> it's one benefit living in a relatively compact city as opposed to the
> burbs.

I am in the burbs and have Indian grocery stores within walking
distance PLUS almost a whole mall of Indian grocery shops slightly
farther away, with a large pan-Asian (but increasingly Indian,
alas) grocery store in the same mall.

--
Jean B.

barbie gee wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, Jean B. wrote:
>
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> What am I doing that's so unusually efficient, don't most people shop
>>> with a list? I only keep a list so I won't forget things but that
>>> doesn't mean I only stick to my list, I typically buy a lot more items
>>> that are not on my list as once I get to the stores I notice things I
>>> hadn't thought about. And I'd think by now since the advent of
>>> ridiculously steep fuel prices folks would have long ago began
>>> consolidating their shopping trips.
>>
>> I guess I have been and am spoiled by the proximity of various
>> markets. Thus I go to the store quite frequently armed with my list.
>> I get ca 55 mpg, so I don't seriously dent a gallon even with multiple
>> trips.
>
> I get gas mileage similar to yours (Hybrid vehicle), but I'm in the
> heart of Chicago, and driving around to stores isn't really much fun. In
> the last 2 decades, traffic has become "rush hour" almost all day now,
> and all weekend, too.

We are creeping toward that in the Boston area too. Rush hour is
MUCH more than an hour. It seems to hit my area (ca 20 miles from
Boston) by about 3:30 and earlier on Fridays. In fact I am
waiting for it to die down ere I head out with my daughter.

I still try to "stop on the way" to somewhere
> else, or cluster my errands.

I do too. The upcoming trip will be fabric shop, gas, Trader
Joe's, and the pet store for cat food.

I could actually walk to one of the big
> supermarkets. Maybe I should get a shopping cart, like I had back in
> college, and I'd go grocery shopping once a week and tote it all home in
> the cart!

I think that too... or (mumble, mumble) maybe even a nifty trike.
>
> When I drive to visit my Siggy, he's 50 miles away, so I try to shop
> when I'm there. Different county, less sales taxes on everything; food,
> liquor, gasoline. I save a LOT shopping out there. He doesn't mind, and
> the only trick is that I can't buy frozen foods or really perishable
> stuff unless I'm sure to have a cooler w/ ice in the trunk.
>

That is definitely an issue now. Even with the cooler, I have to
strategize about the order in which to do things, and whether it
would be wise to bring things home (especially if I am going by my
street to head off in the other direction).

--
Jean B.

The Cook wrote:
> Interesting. The Food Lion in our little, 5000 person, town in
> northwestern NC got renovated a year or so ago. Still not my favorite
> place to shop. I still prefer Ingles (regional chain) and the only
> other place is Walmart. When Walmart first opened the super store
> here we decided to look it over. I picked up a package of chuck roast
> and saw the word "ingredients: bouillon) or maybe it was consomme I
> left. Chuck roast should not have "ingredients."

That happens more and more, alas. I first discovered this when I
looked at the ingredients in a can of tuna several years ago. Soy
protein? This is supposed to be tuna, salt or no salt, and water
or oil (and perhaps not even that last one).

--
Jean B.

Kalmia wrote:
> On Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:00:05 PM UTC-4, Jean B. wrote:
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> What am I doing that's so unusually efficient, don't most people shop
>>> with a list? I only keep a list so I won't forget things but that
>>> doesn't mean I only stick to my list, I typically buy a lot more items
>>> that are not on my list as once I get to the stores I notice things I
>>> hadn't thought about. And I'd think by now since the advent of
>>> ridiculously steep fuel prices folks would have long ago began
>>> consolidating their shopping trips.
>>
>>
>> I guess I have been and am spoiled by the proximity of various
>>
>> markets. Thus I go to the store quite frequently armed with my
>>
>> list. I get ca 55 mpg, so I don't seriously dent a gallon even
>>
>> with multiple trips.
>
> Tell us what kind of car gets 55 mpg on what you make sound like a lot of short hops?
>
Prius. (The mileage drops in cold weather though.)

--
Jean B.

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:11:52 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>> >I drive 20 miles to the only meat store I know of that sells chicken
>> >backs.
>>
>> WTF would anyone buy chicken backs...
>
>Good for making chicken broth/stock
>Good for catching crabs in season

Catching crabs, perhaps... chicken stock, NO!

On 7/19/2013 6:49 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>
> We are creeping toward that in the Boston area too. Rush hour is MUCH
> more than an hour. It seems to hit my area (ca 20 miles from Boston) by
> about 3:30 and earlier on Fridays. In fact I am waiting for it to die
> down ere I head out with my daughter.

DC area too, is rush hour every hour of the day and weekends. I've been
very fortunate to be able to avoid my 30 mi per way drive to work since
my surgery. It's going to be a rude awakening when I get back to the
office again. Which I really hope is soon.

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On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 05:55:02 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person
> wrote:



>
>I'm planning to go to Rhode Island this weekend with my daughter. She's vegetarian but eats eggs and fish. Any restaurant recommendations in Newport that are reasonably priced?
>
>http://www.richardfisher.com

Best meal I had in Newport was a picnic basket in a park on the water.
This time of year it will be very busy with tourists so you may want
to consider eating at the "off" times. I've eaten at a fee places
there, but none memorable.

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 00:32:23 -0400, T >
wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:59:59 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >A woman sent an email to the Dataw listserv. Subject: Whole Foods to
>> >Open in August! She was all excited.
>> >
>> >I read the email. She's excited because she won't have to drive to Mt.
>> >Pleasant, SC anymore. Mt. Pleasant is at least 100 miles away. Now
>> >she'll only have to drive about 50 miles to Savannah, GA!
>> >
>> >Would you drive that far just to shop at a Whole Foods? Or any specific
>> >store, for that matter?
>> >
>> >I would need more than that one reason to make the trip.
>> >
>> >Jill
>>
>> I live out in the boonies, so driving 50 miles to shop is no big deal.
>> I do, however, try and squeeze as much as I can into one trip, so it's
>> usually an all day deal.
>>
>> koko
>
>That's part of what skeeves me out about the suburbs. It's so ****ing
>remote. Throw a heart attack and you're waiting at least 30 minutes or
>more for them to get there.
>
>Living in the city, you dial 9-1-1 and the response is less than 2
>minutes for police or fire. Doesn't hurt that I live pretty close to
>Police & Fire HQ.
>
Our rural fire dept/EMTs were at our house within 5 minutes when my
husband had his stroke. Got the best care on the long trip to the
hospital. Today, you'd never know he had a stroke.

koko
--
Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

www.kokoscornerblog.com

In article >, says...
>
> T wrote:
> > Oh Asian food places are only a few blocks away from me here. I guess
> > it's one benefit living in a relatively compact city as opposed to the
> > burbs.
>
> I am in the burbs and have Indian grocery stores within walking
> distance PLUS almost a whole mall of Indian grocery shops slightly
> farther away, with a large pan-Asian (but increasingly Indian,
> alas) grocery store in the same mall.

That's because people from the Indian continent also like their suburbs
too.

I recall a National Geographic photo a few years back. The street looked
like something out of the burbs of southern California. It was actually
a neighborhood in Bangalore.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 00:27:32 -0400, T >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> >A little secret, the Italian places on Federal Hill are mostly a rip off
> >and you can make the stuff yourself if you're adventurous. I mean, how
> >hard can Pasta and Broccoli be, or Sausage and Potatoes? Really? Veal
> >and peas is also simple too.
>
> Federal Hill has gone down hill over the years. I still go to Tony's
> for a few things though, Venda Ravioli has a few things. The old
> CheeseShop was great until the old man passed away. His daughter ran
> it for a while but it was never the same.

Yeah I miss that and Joe' Acorn Market.

Now it's all foo-foo and nightclub district on Atwells.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 7/19/2013 12:32 AM, T wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:59:59 -0400, jmcquown >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> A woman sent an email to the Dataw listserv. Subject: Whole Foods to
> >>> Open in August! She was all excited.
> >>>
> >>> I read the email. She's excited because she won't have to drive to Mt.
> >>> Pleasant, SC anymore. Mt. Pleasant is at least 100 miles away. Now
> >>> she'll only have to drive about 50 miles to Savannah, GA!
> >>>
> >>> Would you drive that far just to shop at a Whole Foods? Or any specific
> >>> store, for that matter?
> >>>
> >>> I would need more than that one reason to make the trip.
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>
> >> I live out in the boonies, so driving 50 miles to shop is no big deal.
> >> I do, however, try and squeeze as much as I can into one trip, so it's
> >> usually an all day deal.
> >>
> >> koko
> >
> > That's part of what skeeves me out about the suburbs. It's so ****ing
> > remote. Throw a heart attack and you're waiting at least 30 minutes or
> > more for them to get there.
> >
> > Living in the city, you dial 9-1-1 and the response is less than 2
> > minutes for police or fire. Doesn't hurt that I live pretty close to
> > Police & Fire HQ.
> >
> >
> Fortunately, there is a fire station (with ambulance and paramedics)
> only five miles away. It's the *hospital* that is far!
>
> Jill

Well - so long as the paramedica are driving rigs classed as Advanced
Life Support you're ok. By the way, do you know what the difference is
between ALS and just plain old Mobiel Intensive Care? The EKG machines
are 18 lead. So there's no re-wiring the patient when you get them into
the ER. Saves a little time.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 00:32:23 -0400, T >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:59:59 -0400, jmcquown >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >A woman sent an email to the Dataw listserv. Subject: Whole Foods to
> >> >Open in August! She was all excited.
> >> >
> >> >I read the email. She's excited because she won't have to drive to Mt.
> >> >Pleasant, SC anymore. Mt. Pleasant is at least 100 miles away. Now
> >> >she'll only have to drive about 50 miles to Savannah, GA!
> >> >
> >> >Would you drive that far just to shop at a Whole Foods? Or any specific
> >> >store, for that matter?
> >> >
> >> >I would need more than that one reason to make the trip.
> >> >
> >> >Jill
> >>
> >> I live out in the boonies, so driving 50 miles to shop is no big deal.
> >> I do, however, try and squeeze as much as I can into one trip, so it's
> >> usually an all day deal.
> >>
> >> koko
> >
> >That's part of what skeeves me out about the suburbs. It's so ****ing
> >remote. Throw a heart attack and you're waiting at least 30 minutes or
> >more for them to get there.
> >
> >Living in the city, you dial 9-1-1 and the response is less than 2
> >minutes for police or fire. Doesn't hurt that I live pretty close to
> >Police & Fire HQ.
> >
> Our rural fire dept/EMTs were at our house within 5 minutes when my
> husband had his stroke. Got the best care on the long trip to the
> hospital. Today, you'd never know he had a stroke.
>
> koko

I'm thinking of where my mother in law lives. Yeah, she's right down the
street from a volunteer fire company. But I don't know. Don't trust
volunteer forces.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2013-07-19, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
> >
> > I drive 20 miles to the only meat store I know of that sells chicken
> > backs.
>
> I'm not real rural, but rural enough. Closest store is 8 mi. Three
> more, 20 mi. Then it's 100 to the big city. I usta live in SFBA
> where I could find anything if I was willing to drive, a nightmarish
> experience at best. That was when I was making a good living and had
> a car that got 35mpg. Now, I'm contemplating not even owning a car
> and I wouldn't return to CA at gunpoint. Online shopping delivers to
> my door and is cheaper than driving and fer $10 a pop, I can be
> shuttled direct to the closest store.
>
> Much of this is being dictated by gas prices. We're up to $3.65 gal,
> here, and I know many of you pay more. A car is no longer an option
> for me. I figure I might buy a motorcycle fer the summer, but in
> winter, I can ride my bicycle or fall back on the shuttle. It's
> gonnna be a new world, folks. I don't see gas prices going back down
> again, ever, and the days of unlimited travel for any reason will soon
> begin to diminish.
>
> nb

Interesting. If they treat the roads correctly you can ride a motorcyle
year round if you're a brave soul.

In article >, says...
>
> barbie gee wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, Jean B. wrote:
> >
> >> Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>> What am I doing that's so unusually efficient, don't most people shop
> >>> with a list? I only keep a list so I won't forget things but that
> >>> doesn't mean I only stick to my list, I typically buy a lot more items
> >>> that are not on my list as once I get to the stores I notice things I
> >>> hadn't thought about. And I'd think by now since the advent of
> >>> ridiculously steep fuel prices folks would have long ago began
> >>> consolidating their shopping trips.
> >>
> >> I guess I have been and am spoiled by the proximity of various
> >> markets. Thus I go to the store quite frequently armed with my list.
> >> I get ca 55 mpg, so I don't seriously dent a gallon even with multiple
> >> trips.


> > I get gas mileage similar to yours (Hybrid vehicle), but I'm in the
> > heart of Chicago, and driving around to stores isn't really much fun. In
> > the last 2 decades, traffic has become "rush hour" almost all day now,
> > and all weekend, too.
>
> We are creeping toward that in the Boston area too. Rush hour is
> MUCH more than an hour. It seems to hit my area (ca 20 miles from
> Boston) by about 3:30 and earlier on Fridays. In fact I am
> waiting for it to die down ere I head out with my daughter.

Boston has been that bad since the late 1990's. I recall days when I
worked for a company that had locations in Somerville and Needham and
clients in Boston. I used to dread getting out after 3PM because it
meant I'd be sitting on the lower deck of I-93 for hours.

And I was driving a truck with a manual transmission. Oh joy.

Of course now when I go into boston I just take the MBCR commuter.

On 2013-07-20, T > wrote:

> Interesting. If they treat the roads correctly you can ride a motorcyle
> year round....

Well, there's he-man hardy and then there's jes plain stupid. I'm too
rural and at too high an elevation to ride a motorcycle in the dead of
Winter when roads ice over, no matter how good the Colo. Motor
Veh. dept is. Besides, $10 fer door to door heated shuttle service.
Why would I insist upon spending 1/2-3/4 hr bundling up/down and
perhaps crashing jes to ride a motorcycle when it's 10F outside.
Duh.....

nb

On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, T wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 7/19/2013 12:32 AM, T wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:59:59 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A woman sent an email to the Dataw listserv. Subject: Whole Foods to
>>>>> Open in August! She was all excited.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read the email. She's excited because she won't have to drive to Mt.
>>>>> Pleasant, SC anymore. Mt. Pleasant is at least 100 miles away. Now
>>>>> she'll only have to drive about 50 miles to Savannah, GA!
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you drive that far just to shop at a Whole Foods? Or any specific
>>>>> store, for that matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would need more than that one reason to make the trip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> I live out in the boonies, so driving 50 miles to shop is no big deal.
>>>> I do, however, try and squeeze as much as I can into one trip, so it's
>>>> usually an all day deal.
>>>>
>>>> koko
>>>
>>> That's part of what skeeves me out about the suburbs. It's so ****ing
>>> remote. Throw a heart attack and you're waiting at least 30 minutes or
>>> more for them to get there.
>>>
>>> Living in the city, you dial 9-1-1 and the response is less than 2
>>> minutes for police or fire. Doesn't hurt that I live pretty close to
>>> Police & Fire HQ.
>>>
>>>
>> Fortunately, there is a fire station (with ambulance and paramedics)
>> only five miles away. It's the *hospital* that is far!
>>
>> Jill
>
> Well - so long as the paramedica are driving rigs classed as Advanced
> Life Support you're ok. By the way, do you know what the difference is
> between ALS and just plain old Mobiel Intensive Care? The EKG machines
> are 18 lead. So there's no re-wiring the patient when you get them into
> the ER. Saves a little time.
>
>
I live in a place where they regularly point out where the portable
defribillators are located

Jill

On 7/20/2013 5:26 PM, T wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 00:32:23 -0400, T >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:59:59 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A woman sent an email to the Dataw listserv. Subject: Whole Foods to
>>>>> Open in August! She was all excited.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read the email. She's excited because she won't have to drive to Mt.
>>>>> Pleasant, SC anymore. Mt. Pleasant is at least 100 miles away. Now
>>>>> she'll only have to drive about 50 miles to Savannah, GA!
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you drive that far just to shop at a Whole Foods? Or any specific
>>>>> store, for that matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would need more than that one reason to make the trip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> I live out in the boonies, so driving 50 miles to shop is no big deal.
>>>> I do, however, try and squeeze as much as I can into one trip, so it's
>>>> usually an all day deal.
>>>>
>>>> koko
>>>
>>> That's part of what skeeves me out about the suburbs. It's so ****ing
>>> remote. Throw a heart attack and you're waiting at least 30 minutes or
>>> more for them to get there.
>>>
>>> Living in the city, you dial 9-1-1 and the response is less than 2
>>> minutes for police or fire. Doesn't hurt that I live pretty close to
>>> Police & Fire HQ.
>>>
>> Our rural fire dept/EMTs were at our house within 5 minutes when my
>> husband had his stroke. Got the best care on the long trip to the
>> hospital. Today, you'd never know he had a stroke.
>>
>> koko
>
> I'm thinking of where my mother in law lives. Yeah, she's right down the
> street from a volunteer fire company. But I don't know. Don't trust
> volunteer forces.
>
Volunteer being the operative word. I wouldn't trust that, either.

Jill

On 7/21/2013 2:00 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
> I live in a place where they regularly point out where the portable
> defribillators are located

Our company started putting those in public places in the buildings, and
also trained a set of people to use them.

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On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 02:01:13 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:



>>
>> I'm thinking of where my mother in law lives. Yeah, she's right down the
>> street from a volunteer fire company. But I don't know. Don't trust
>> volunteer forces.
>>
>Volunteer being the operative word. I wouldn't trust that, either.
>
>Jill

Just schedule your fire for dinner time when all the volunteers are
home and available. During the day when they are all at work it can
be a problem finding someone that can drive the truck.

Most volunteer departments around here are well trained and very
capable. Getting enough people at times is tough though.

On 21/07/2013 7:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>
> Just schedule your fire for dinner time when all the volunteers are
> home and available. During the day when they are all at work it can
> be a problem finding someone that can drive the truck.
>
> Most volunteer departments around here are well trained and very
> capable. Getting enough people at times is tough though.
>



When I first moved out here a friend who grew up in this town told me
that if he ever have a fire, take all the beer and steaks out of the
fridge and hide them before calling the fire department.

They are actually very competent. It may be as much a social element as
it is an emergency service, but they are pretty good. There is also
full time professionals. It is curious that in the city city adjacent
to us, they built a fire all in the south west corner of their
jurisdiction, and area that a lot of people think is our town not
theirs. Over the past few years there have been several homes and
business within a mile of that new fire hall that have burned to the
ground.

On 21/07/2013 3:45 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/21/2013 2:00 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>> I live in a place where they regularly point out where the portable
>> defribillators are located
>
> Our company started putting those in public places in the buildings, and
> also trained a set of people to use them.
>


I was somewhere recently and saw a sign on the wall that indicated there
was a defribillater, but there wasn't one there.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 02:01:13 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> I'm thinking of where my mother in law lives. Yeah, she's right down the
> >> street from a volunteer fire company. But I don't know. Don't trust
> >> volunteer forces.
> >>
> >Volunteer being the operative word. I wouldn't trust that, either.
> >
> >Jill
>
> Just schedule your fire for dinner time when all the volunteers are
> home and available. During the day when they are all at work it can
> be a problem finding someone that can drive the truck.
>
> Most volunteer departments around here are well trained and very
> capable. Getting enough people at times is tough though.

Old redneck joke:

A Mississippian came home and found his house on fire, he rushed next door,
telephoned the fire department and shouted, "Hurry over here.
My house is on fire!"
"OK," replied the fireman, "how do we get there?"
"Shucks, don't you still have those big red trucks?"

G.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:26:25 -0400, T >
wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 00:32:23 -0400, T >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> says...
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:59:59 -0400, jmcquown >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >A woman sent an email to the Dataw listserv. Subject: Whole Foods to
>> >> >Open in August! She was all excited.
>> >> >
>> >> >I read the email. She's excited because she won't have to drive to Mt.
>> >> >Pleasant, SC anymore. Mt. Pleasant is at least 100 miles away. Now
>> >> >she'll only have to drive about 50 miles to Savannah, GA!
>> >> >
>> >> >Would you drive that far just to shop at a Whole Foods? Or any specific
>> >> >store, for that matter?
>> >> >
>> >> >I would need more than that one reason to make the trip.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jill
>> >>
>> >> I live out in the boonies, so driving 50 miles to shop is no big deal.
>> >> I do, however, try and squeeze as much as I can into one trip, so it's
>> >> usually an all day deal.
>> >>
>> >> koko
>> >
>> >That's part of what skeeves me out about the suburbs. It's so ****ing
>> >remote. Throw a heart attack and you're waiting at least 30 minutes or
>> >more for them to get there.
>> >
>> >Living in the city, you dial 9-1-1 and the response is less than 2
>> >minutes for police or fire. Doesn't hurt that I live pretty close to
>> >Police & Fire HQ.
>> >
>> Our rural fire dept/EMTs were at our house within 5 minutes when my
>> husband had his stroke. Got the best care on the long trip to the
>> hospital. Today, you'd never know he had a stroke.
>>
>> koko
>
>I'm thinking of where my mother in law lives. Yeah, she's right down the
>street from a volunteer fire company. But I don't know. Don't trust
>volunteer forces.

Then maybe it's time she moved in with you?

koko
--
Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

www.kokoscornerblog.com

barbie gee wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013, Jean B. wrote:
>
>> Kalmia wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:00:05 PM UTC-4, Jean B. wrote:
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What am I doing that's so unusually efficient, don't most people shop
>>>>> with a list? I only keep a list so I won't forget things but that
>>>>> doesn't mean I only stick to my list, I typically buy a lot more items
>>>>> that are not on my list as once I get to the stores I notice things I
>>>>> hadn't thought about. And I'd think by now since the advent of
>>>>> ridiculously steep fuel prices folks would have long ago began
>>>>> consolidating their shopping trips.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess I have been and am spoiled by the proximity of various
>>>> markets. Thus I go to the store quite frequently armed with my
>>>> list. I get ca 55 mpg, so I don't seriously dent a gallon even with
>>>> multiple trips.
>>>
>>> Tell us what kind of car gets 55 mpg on what you make sound like a
>>> lot of short hops?
>>>
>> Prius. (The mileage drops in cold weather though.)
>
> Me too!
> 2005, still running great.

Mine is a 2005 too. No problems. What's the best mileage you
have achieved? I have never gotten to 60. Almost. Some longer
trips I can get over 60, but that decreases as I use up the rest
of the tank. Sniff.

--
Jean B.

Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/19/2013 6:49 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>>
>> We are creeping toward that in the Boston area too. Rush hour is MUCH
>> more than an hour. It seems to hit my area (ca 20 miles from Boston) by
>> about 3:30 and earlier on Fridays. In fact I am waiting for it to die
>> down ere I head out with my daughter.
>
> DC area too, is rush hour every hour of the day and weekends. I've been
> very fortunate to be able to avoid my 30 mi per way drive to work since
> my surgery. It's going to be a rude awakening when I get back to the
> office again. Which I really hope is soon.
>

EVERY hour of the day. Ugh! I was going to ask whether you could
work another schedule, at least sometimes, but with the protracted
rush "hour", that wouldn't work.

--
Jean B.

T wrote:
> In article >, says...
>> T wrote:
>>> Oh Asian food places are only a few blocks away from me here. I guess
>>> it's one benefit living in a relatively compact city as opposed to the
>>> burbs.
>> I am in the burbs and have Indian grocery stores within walking
>> distance PLUS almost a whole mall of Indian grocery shops slightly
>> farther away, with a large pan-Asian (but increasingly Indian,
>> alas) grocery store in the same mall.
>
> That's because people from the Indian continent also like their suburbs
> too.
>
> I recall a National Geographic photo a few years back. The street looked
> like something out of the burbs of southern California. It was actually
> a neighborhood in Bangalore.
>
>
Could go either way. Speaking of what you said, though, I read a
lot of foreign lit. It is a real eye opener sometimes, as was the
case for me when reading about the lifestyles of some fairly
affluent Africans. (I forget which country they were from.
Possibly Nigeria, but for some reason I think it was some smaller
country.) It is remarkably similar to the lives that folks in the
more-developed countries (that is probably old-speak) enjoy.

--
Jean B.

T wrote:
> In article >, says...
>> barbie gee wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, Jean B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> What am I doing that's so unusually efficient, don't most people shop
>>>>> with a list? I only keep a list so I won't forget things but that
>>>>> doesn't mean I only stick to my list, I typically buy a lot more items
>>>>> that are not on my list as once I get to the stores I notice things I
>>>>> hadn't thought about. And I'd think by now since the advent of
>>>>> ridiculously steep fuel prices folks would have long ago began
>>>>> consolidating their shopping trips.
>>>> I guess I have been and am spoiled by the proximity of various
>>>> markets. Thus I go to the store quite frequently armed with my list.
>>>> I get ca 55 mpg, so I don't seriously dent a gallon even with multiple
>>>> trips.
>
>
>>> I get gas mileage similar to yours (Hybrid vehicle), but I'm in the
>>> heart of Chicago, and driving around to stores isn't really much fun. In
>>> the last 2 decades, traffic has become "rush hour" almost all day now,
>>> and all weekend, too.
>> We are creeping toward that in the Boston area too. Rush hour is
>> MUCH more than an hour. It seems to hit my area (ca 20 miles from
>> Boston) by about 3:30 and earlier on Fridays. In fact I am
>> waiting for it to die down ere I head out with my daughter.
>
> Boston has been that bad since the late 1990's. I recall days when I
> worked for a company that had locations in Somerville and Needham and
> clients in Boston. I used to dread getting out after 3PM because it
> meant I'd be sitting on the lower deck of I-93 for hours.
>
> And I was driving a truck with a manual transmission. Oh joy.
>
> Of course now when I go into boston I just take the MBCR commuter.
>
When I was working (and I wish I was working NOW) I could take
public transportation. Before that phase, I could walk, which was
wonderful. Being in the 'burbs makes these strategies much more
difficult. There IS a commuter train station fairly near here,
but my daughter claims it is very expensive. I haven't looked
into that though.

There is also a bus. I am not sure how many buses one would need
to take to get to Cambridge or Boston. I still recall the time
when it took much of the day to make a round trip from one part of
the western 'burbs to another. It involved two buses and a
trolley, IIRC, but the schedules were just awful. Oh, I also
remember that when I first started working, I had to walk many
miles to get home at night, because the bus that went farther out
into the burbs cut off at 7 or so.

--
Jean B.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, T wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 7/19/2013 12:32 AM, T wrote:
> >>> In article >,
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:59:59 -0400, jmcquown >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> A woman sent an email to the Dataw listserv. Subject: Whole Foods to
> >>>>> Open in August! She was all excited.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I read the email. She's excited because she won't have to drive to Mt.
> >>>>> Pleasant, SC anymore. Mt. Pleasant is at least 100 miles away. Now
> >>>>> she'll only have to drive about 50 miles to Savannah, GA!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would you drive that far just to shop at a Whole Foods? Or any specific
> >>>>> store, for that matter?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would need more than that one reason to make the trip.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jill
> >>>>
> >>>> I live out in the boonies, so driving 50 miles to shop is no big deal.
> >>>> I do, however, try and squeeze as much as I can into one trip, so it's
> >>>> usually an all day deal.
> >>>>
> >>>> koko
> >>>
> >>> That's part of what skeeves me out about the suburbs. It's so ****ing
> >>> remote. Throw a heart attack and you're waiting at least 30 minutes or
> >>> more for them to get there.
> >>>
> >>> Living in the city, you dial 9-1-1 and the response is less than 2
> >>> minutes for police or fire. Doesn't hurt that I live pretty close to
> >>> Police & Fire HQ.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Fortunately, there is a fire station (with ambulance and paramedics)
> >> only five miles away. It's the *hospital* that is far!
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > Well - so long as the paramedica are driving rigs classed as Advanced
> > Life Support you're ok. By the way, do you know what the difference is
> > between ALS and just plain old Mobiel Intensive Care? The EKG machines
> > are 18 lead. So there's no re-wiring the patient when you get them into
> > the ER. Saves a little time.
> >
> >
> I live in a place where they regularly point out where the portable
> defribillators are located
>
> Jill

Almost all the public places around here like supermarkets, malls, etc.
have the portable defib units.

They're inexpensive enough and good insurance for when someones heart
does stop.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 21/07/2013 7:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just schedule your fire for dinner time when all the volunteers are
> > home and available. During the day when they are all at work it can
> > be a problem finding someone that can drive the truck.
> >
> > Most volunteer departments around here are well trained and very
> > capable. Getting enough people at times is tough though.
> >
>
>
>
> When I first moved out here a friend who grew up in this town told me
> that if he ever have a fire, take all the beer and steaks out of the
> fridge and hide them before calling the fire department.
>
> They are actually very competent. It may be as much a social element as
> it is an emergency service, but they are pretty good. There is also
> full time professionals. It is curious that in the city city adjacent
> to us, they built a fire all in the south west corner of their
> jurisdiction, and area that a lot of people think is our town not
> theirs. Over the past few years there have been several homes and
> business within a mile of that new fire hall that have burned to the
> ground.

Oh unsettled boundaries. We've long settled that here in RI. Urban
districts all have agreements to go over the borders when necessary.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:26:25 -0400, T >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 00:32:23 -0400, T >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >,
> >> says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:59:59 -0400, jmcquown >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >A woman sent an email to the Dataw listserv. Subject: Whole Foods to
> >> >> >Open in August! She was all excited.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I read the email. She's excited because she won't have to drive to Mt.
> >> >> >Pleasant, SC anymore. Mt. Pleasant is at least 100 miles away. Now
> >> >> >she'll only have to drive about 50 miles to Savannah, GA!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Would you drive that far just to shop at a Whole Foods? Or any specific
> >> >> >store, for that matter?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I would need more than that one reason to make the trip.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Jill
> >> >>
> >> >> I live out in the boonies, so driving 50 miles to shop is no big deal.
> >> >> I do, however, try and squeeze as much as I can into one trip, so it's
> >> >> usually an all day deal.
> >> >>
> >> >> koko
> >> >
> >> >That's part of what skeeves me out about the suburbs. It's so ****ing
> >> >remote. Throw a heart attack and you're waiting at least 30 minutes or
> >> >more for them to get there.
> >> >
> >> >Living in the city, you dial 9-1-1 and the response is less than 2
> >> >minutes for police or fire. Doesn't hurt that I live pretty close to
> >> >Police & Fire HQ.
> >> >
> >> Our rural fire dept/EMTs were at our house within 5 minutes when my
> >> husband had his stroke. Got the best care on the long trip to the
> >> hospital. Today, you'd never know he had a stroke.
> >>
> >> koko
> >
> >I'm thinking of where my mother in law lives. Yeah, she's right down the
> >street from a volunteer fire company. But I don't know. Don't trust
> >volunteer forces.
>
> Then maybe it's time she moved in with you?
>
> koko

The problem is she likes it down there. Me, I get the crawling heebie
jeebies in deep suburban and rural environments.

In article >, says...
>
> T wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >> barbie gee wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, Jean B. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>>>> What am I doing that's so unusually efficient, don't most people shop
> >>>>> with a list? I only keep a list so I won't forget things but that
> >>>>> doesn't mean I only stick to my list, I typically buy a lot more items
> >>>>> that are not on my list as once I get to the stores I notice things I
> >>>>> hadn't thought about. And I'd think by now since the advent of
> >>>>> ridiculously steep fuel prices folks would have long ago began
> >>>>> consolidating their shopping trips.
> >>>> I guess I have been and am spoiled by the proximity of various
> >>>> markets. Thus I go to the store quite frequently armed with my list.
> >>>> I get ca 55 mpg, so I don't seriously dent a gallon even with multiple
> >>>> trips.
> >
> >
> >>> I get gas mileage similar to yours (Hybrid vehicle), but I'm in the
> >>> heart of Chicago, and driving around to stores isn't really much fun. In
> >>> the last 2 decades, traffic has become "rush hour" almost all day now,
> >>> and all weekend, too.
> >> We are creeping toward that in the Boston area too. Rush hour is
> >> MUCH more than an hour. It seems to hit my area (ca 20 miles from
> >> Boston) by about 3:30 and earlier on Fridays. In fact I am
> >> waiting for it to die down ere I head out with my daughter.
> >
> > Boston has been that bad since the late 1990's. I recall days when I
> > worked for a company that had locations in Somerville and Needham and
> > clients in Boston. I used to dread getting out after 3PM because it
> > meant I'd be sitting on the lower deck of I-93 for hours.
> >
> > And I was driving a truck with a manual transmission. Oh joy.
> >
> > Of course now when I go into boston I just take the MBCR commuter.
> >
> When I was working (and I wish I was working NOW) I could take
> public transportation. Before that phase, I could walk, which was
> wonderful. Being in the 'burbs makes these strategies much more
> difficult. There IS a commuter train station fairly near here,
> but my daughter claims it is very expensive. I haven't looked
> into that though.
>
> There is also a bus. I am not sure how many buses one would need
> to take to get to Cambridge or Boston. I still recall the time
> when it took much of the day to make a round trip from one part of
> the western 'burbs to another. It involved two buses and a
> trolley, IIRC, but the schedules were just awful. Oh, I also
> remember that when I first started working, I had to walk many
> miles to get home at night, because the bus that went farther out
> into the burbs cut off at 7 or so.


Well - Providence to Boston is one train, then the Red Line from South
Station to Cambridge. Pretty simple.

The inner ring is, as is always the case very well covered by public
transit. It's as you get out into the other communities that it falls
down.

The same is true with buses here in RI. The urban area is SATURATED with
public transit. But get just a little outside that and there's no
service at all.

On 28/07/2013 2:13 PM, T wrote:

>> They are actually very competent. It may be as much a social element as
>> it is an emergency service, but they are pretty good. There is also
>> full time professionals. It is curious that in the city city adjacent
>> to us, they built a fire all in the south west corner of their
>> jurisdiction, and area that a lot of people think is our town not
>> theirs. Over the past few years there have been several homes and
>> business within a mile of that new fire hall that have burned to the
>> ground.
>
> Oh unsettled boundaries. We've long settled that here in RI. Urban
> districts all have agreements to go over the borders when necessary.
>
>


Unsettled boundaries are not the problem. The adjacent city built a
firehall about two miles inside their boundary. It is their
jurisdiction and their fire hall. The thing is that in the few years it
has been there there have been two business and two houses that burned
to the ground within a mile of the fire hall. The businesses that burned
were only about 1/4 mile from it. That is not a good record.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 28/07/2013 2:13 PM, T wrote:
>
> >> They are actually very competent. It may be as much a social element as
> >> it is an emergency service, but they are pretty good. There is also
> >> full time professionals. It is curious that in the city city adjacent
> >> to us, they built a fire all in the south west corner of their
> >> jurisdiction, and area that a lot of people think is our town not
> >> theirs. Over the past few years there have been several homes and
> >> business within a mile of that new fire hall that have burned to the
> >> ground.
> >
> > Oh unsettled boundaries. We've long settled that here in RI. Urban
> > districts all have agreements to go over the borders when necessary.
> >
> >
>
>
> Unsettled boundaries are not the problem. The adjacent city built a
> firehall about two miles inside their boundary. It is their
> jurisdiction and their fire hall. The thing is that in the few years it
> has been there there have been two business and two houses that burned
> to the ground within a mile of the fire hall. The businesses that burned
> were only about 1/4 mile from it. That is not a good record.

Well that's interesting. So in essence your fire company weren't doing
their jobs.

But the thing about boundaries - from state to federal is that they tend
to meander all over the place.

You have to consider, they were put in place prior to the advent of
electronic means like GPS.

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:32:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 28/07/2013 2:13 PM, T wrote:
>
> >> They are actually very competent. It may be as much a social element as
> >> it is an emergency service, but they are pretty good. There is also
> >> full time professionals. It is curious that in the city city adjacent
> >> to us, they built a fire all in the south west corner of their
> >> jurisdiction, and area that a lot of people think is our town not
> >> theirs. Over the past few years there have been several homes and
> >> business within a mile of that new fire hall that have burned to the
> >> ground.
> >
> > Oh unsettled boundaries. We've long settled that here in RI. Urban
> > districts all have agreements to go over the borders when necessary.
> >
> >
>
>
> Unsettled boundaries are not the problem. The adjacent city built a
> firehall about two miles inside their boundary. It is their
> jurisdiction and their fire hall. The thing is that in the few years it
> has been there there have been two business and two houses that burned
> to the ground within a mile of the fire hall. The businesses that burned
> were only about 1/4 mile from it. That is not a good record.

Is this a volunteer FD?

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.