On 7/20/2013 6:03 PM, Susan wrote:
>
>
> I think distraction helps, but also biochemistry. You get more feel
> good hormones from amusement/fun and that helps with pain, not just
> perception of it.
>
> Win/win.

Interesting. I haven't done a lot of that since the pain started and
walking got too hard to do, but recently I went to a play at Wolftrap in
VA which required a lot of walking, but I still felt a lot of pain.

My PC doctor is an acupuncturist. I might ask her about that when I have
my next appointment, but she's hugely expensive and my insurance didn't
pay for much of it for smoking cessation attempts.

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On 7/20/2013 8:45 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/20/2013 6:03 PM, Susan wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think distraction helps, but also biochemistry. You get more feel
>> good hormones from amusement/fun and that helps with pain, not just
>> perception of it.
>>
>> Win/win.
>
> Interesting. I haven't done a lot of that since the pain started and
> walking got too hard to do, but recently I went to a play at Wolftrap in
> VA which required a lot of walking, but I still felt a lot of pain.
>
> My PC doctor is an acupuncturist. I might ask her about that when I have
> my next appointment, but she's hugely expensive and my insurance didn't
> pay for much of it for smoking cessation attempts.
>
I always found it odd that insurance companies (even good group
policies) didn't at least partially pay for things like the patch to
quit smoking. They certainly didn't cover acupuncture or anything
considered "alternative" or "holistic" medicine. Maybe things have
changed in the last 10 years. I hope so.

Jill

On 7/21/2013 1:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/20/2013 8:45 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 7/20/2013 6:03 PM, Susan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think distraction helps, but also biochemistry. You get more feel
>>> good hormones from amusement/fun and that helps with pain, not just
>>> perception of it.
>>>
>>> Win/win.
>>
>> Interesting. I haven't done a lot of that since the pain started and
>> walking got too hard to do, but recently I went to a play at Wolftrap in
>> VA which required a lot of walking, but I still felt a lot of pain.
>>
>> My PC doctor is an acupuncturist. I might ask her about that when I have
>> my next appointment, but she's hugely expensive and my insurance didn't
>> pay for much of it for smoking cessation attempts.
>>
> I always found it odd that insurance companies (even good group
> policies) didn't at least partially pay for things like the patch to
> quit smoking. They certainly didn't cover acupuncture or anything
> considered "alternative" or "holistic" medicine. Maybe things have
> changed in the last 10 years. I hope so.
>
> Jill

My insurance wouldn't even cover Chantix, also very expensive. Nor
would they pay any part of electronic cigarettes even though that was
how I finally quit.


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In article m>,
says...
>
> On 7/20/2013 6:03 PM, Susan wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think distraction helps, but also biochemistry. You get more feel
> > good hormones from amusement/fun and that helps with pain, not just
> > perception of it.
> >
> > Win/win.
>
> Interesting. I haven't done a lot of that since the pain started and
> walking got too hard to do, but recently I went to a play at Wolftrap in
> VA which required a lot of walking, but I still felt a lot of pain.
>
> My PC doctor is an acupuncturist. I might ask her about that when I have
> my next appointment, but she's hugely expensive and my insurance didn't
> pay for much of it for smoking cessation attempts.

My acupuncturist is my (trained and qualified in acupuncture) NHS
family Dr, so there's no payment; from experience I really recommend
it.

Janet UK

On Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:27:47 AM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/21/2013 1:52 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > On 7/20/2013 8:45 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
> >> On 7/20/2013 6:03 PM, Susan wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I think distraction helps, but also biochemistry. You get more feel
>
> >>> good hormones from amusement/fun and that helps with pain, not just
>
> >>> perception of it.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Win/win.
>
> >>
>
> >> Interesting. I haven't done a lot of that since the pain started and
>
> >> walking got too hard to do, but recently I went to a play at Wolftrap in
>
> >> VA which required a lot of walking, but I still felt a lot of pain.
>
> >>
>
> >> My PC doctor is an acupuncturist. I might ask her about that when I have
>
> >> my next appointment, but she's hugely expensive and my insurance didn't
>
> >> pay for much of it for smoking cessation attempts.
>
> >>
>
> > I always found it odd that insurance companies (even good group
>
> > policies) didn't at least partially pay for things like the patch to
>
> > quit smoking. They certainly didn't cover acupuncture or anything
>
> > considered "alternative" or "holistic" medicine. Maybe things have
>
> > changed in the last 10 years. I hope so.
>
> >
>
> > Jill
>
>
>
> My insurance wouldn't even cover Chantix, also very expensive. Nor
>
> would they pay any part of electronic cigarettes even though that was
>
> how I finally quit.

How long have you been off? How long did it take using the e-cigs? A friend started but is right back on cigs.

How much does Chantix run, btw.

On 7/22/2013 4:11 PM, Kalmia wrote:

>
> How long have you been off? How long did it take using the e-cigs?
> A friend started but is right back on cigs.
>
> How much does Chantix run, btw.
>
Chantix was about $150 for a month's supply. I quit immediately using
the ecigs. I still puff on them occasionally though, but only with the
liquid without nicotine.

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On 7/22/2013 9:45 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/22/2013 4:11 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>
>>
>> How long have you been off? How long did it take using the e-cigs?
>> A friend started but is right back on cigs.
>>
>> How much does Chantix run, btw.
>>
> Chantix was about $150 for a month's supply. I quit immediately using
> the ecigs. I still puff on them occasionally though, but only with the
> liquid without nicotine.
>
Oh yeah, forgot. I've been off of ciggs since Jan 1 2012. I really
don't even want one except very occasionally, usually due to stress. I
should also admit that I tried ecigs a year before I quit but didn't try
long enough and was still smoking even though I was puffing on the e
things. A year later was when I started back up on the ecigs and
haven't smoked a real cigg since.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
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> Oh yeah, forgot. I've been off of ciggs since Jan 1 2012. I really don't
> even want one except very occasionally, usually due to stress. I should
> also admit that I tried ecigs a year before I quit but didn't try long
> enough and was still smoking even though I was puffing on the e things. A
> year later was when I started back up on the ecigs and haven't smoked a
> real cigg since.

Good for you, I've been off cigarettes for:

Three years, seven months, three weeks, four days, 6 hours, 52 minutes and
14 seconds. 39998 cigarettes not smoked, saving $10,999.27. Life saved: 19
weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes.

But I got hooked on the nicotine lozenges for quite a while after stopping
cigarettes. That was a hard habit to break too, but I am nicotine free and
happy about it. Stay off of them!

Cheri

Cheryl wrote:

> Oh yeah, forgot. I've been off of ciggs since Jan 1 2012. I really
> don't even want one except very occasionally, usually due to stress.

A coworker of a friend puffs the eCig along with his normal cigarettes, if
someone discovers a new way to smoke he'll throw that in too, for sure
--
"Un pasto senza vino e' come un giorno senza sole"
Anthelme Brillat Savarin

On 23/07/2013 1:55 AM, Cheri wrote:

>
> Good for you, I've been off cigarettes for:
>
> Three years, seven months, three weeks, four days, 6 hours, 52 minutes
> and 14 seconds. 39998 cigarettes not smoked, saving $10,999.27. Life
> saved: 19 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes.

Three years and 23 days for me since I gave them up....having smoked on
and off. I had previously given them up for 17 years and thought it was
safe to tray smoking occasionally.

>
> But I got hooked on the nicotine lozenges for quite a while after
> stopping cigarettes. That was a hard habit to break too, but I am
> nicotine free and happy about it. Stay off of them!

That it the problem with substitutes. You change one habit for another
and then when you think you liked the old habit better you go back to
it. It is better to sniff dirty ash trays or to hang out by the
doorways where the smokers are coming back in after their power smokes
and you get the chance to see ho bad you would smell if you joined them.

On 7/23/2013 7:49 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 23/07/2013 1:55 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
>>
>> Good for you, I've been off cigarettes for:
>>
>> Three years, seven months, three weeks, four days, 6 hours, 52 minutes
>> and 14 seconds. 39998 cigarettes not smoked, saving $10,999.27. Life
>> saved: 19 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes.
>
> Three years and 23 days for me since I gave them up....having smoked on
> and off. I had previously given them up for 17 years and thought it was
> safe to tray smoking occasionally.
>
>>
>> But I got hooked on the nicotine lozenges for quite a while after
>> stopping cigarettes. That was a hard habit to break too, but I am
>> nicotine free and happy about it. Stay off of them!
>
> That it the problem with substitutes. You change one habit for another
> and then when you think you liked the old habit better you go back to
> it. It is better to sniff dirty ash trays or to hang out by the
> doorways where the smokers are coming back in after their power smokes
> and you get the chance to see ho bad you would smell if you joined them.
>
A neighbor came over the other day to look at an item I had for sale. I
met her at the door and warned her this is a smoking household. She
stepped in and took a deeeeeeeep breath! She said, "I quit smoking five
years ago, I'm living vicariously!" LOL Yet other non-smokers have
commented the house doesn't smell at all smokey. Go figure.

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> On 7/23/2013 7:49 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 23/07/2013 1:55 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Good for you, I've been off cigarettes for:
> >>
> >> Three years, seven months, three weeks, four days, 6 hours, 52 minutes
> >> and 14 seconds. 39998 cigarettes not smoked, saving $10,999.27. Life
> >> saved: 19 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes.
> >
> > Three years and 23 days for me since I gave them up....having smoked on
> > and off. I had previously given them up for 17 years and thought it was
> > safe to tray smoking occasionally.
> >
> >>
> >> But I got hooked on the nicotine lozenges for quite a while after
> >> stopping cigarettes. That was a hard habit to break too, but I am
> >> nicotine free and happy about it. Stay off of them!
> >
> > That it the problem with substitutes. You change one habit for another
> > and then when you think you liked the old habit better you go back to
> > it. It is better to sniff dirty ash trays or to hang out by the
> > doorways where the smokers are coming back in after their power smokes
> > and you get the chance to see ho bad you would smell if you joined them.
> >
> A neighbor came over the other day to look at an item I had for sale. I
> met her at the door and warned her this is a smoking household. She
> stepped in and took a deeeeeeeep breath! She said, "I quit smoking five
> years ago, I'm living vicariously!" LOL Yet other non-smokers have
> commented the house doesn't smell at all smokey. Go figure.

I'd figure they were telling you a little white lie :-) Trust me, to
non-smokers there is no such thing as a smoker OR a smoking home that
doesn't smell of it.

Janet UK

On 7/23/2013 8:54 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> A neighbor came over the other day to look at an item I had for sale. I
>> met her at the door and warned her this is a smoking household. She
>> stepped in and took a deeeeeeeep breath! She said, "I quit smoking five
>> years ago, I'm living vicariously!" LOL Yet other non-smokers have
>> commented the house doesn't smell at all smokey. Go figure.
>
> I'd figure they were telling you a little white lie :-) Trust me, to
> non-smokers there is no such thing as a smoker OR a smoking home that
> doesn't smell of it.
>
> Janet UK
>
That may be true, Janet. Although on occasions when I hadn't forewarned
people they seemed honestly surprised when I asked, "Mind if I smoke?"
(I shouldn't have to ask in my own home, but believe it or not I *am*
polite.)

Jill

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...

> That it the problem with substitutes. You change one habit for another
> and then when you think you liked the old habit better you go back to it.
> It is better to sniff dirty ash trays or to hang out by the doorways where
> the smokers are coming back in after their power smokes and you get the
> chance to see ho bad you would smell if you joined them.

All very true, and good for you for quitting completely too.

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>>
> A neighbor came over the other day to look at an item I had for sale. I
> met her at the door and warned her this is a smoking household. She
> stepped in and took a deeeeeeeep breath! She said, "I quit smoking five
> years ago, I'm living vicariously!" LOL Yet other non-smokers have
> commented the house doesn't smell at all smokey. Go figure.
>
> Jill


LOL, I still love the smell of tobacco too and once in awhile I will catch a
whiff of my neighbor smoking when I go out to the back yard, and it always
smells good to me.

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/23/2013 8:54 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> A neighbor came over the other day to look at an item I had for sale. I
>>> met her at the door and warned her this is a smoking household. She
>>> stepped in and took a deeeeeeeep breath! She said, "I quit smoking five
>>> years ago, I'm living vicariously!" LOL Yet other non-smokers have
>>> commented the house doesn't smell at all smokey. Go figure.
>>
>> I'd figure they were telling you a little white lie :-) Trust me, to
>> non-smokers there is no such thing as a smoker OR a smoking home that
>> doesn't smell of it.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> That may be true, Janet. Although on occasions when I hadn't forewarned
> people they seemed honestly surprised when I asked, "Mind if I smoke?" (I
> shouldn't have to ask in my own home, but believe it or not I *am*
> polite.)
>
> Jill


I never smoked in my house, always on the patio, and boy it could sure get
cold out there at times. :-)

Cheri

On 7/23/2013 11:49 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/23/2013 8:54 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> A neighbor came over the other day to look at an item I had for
>>>> sale. I
>>>> met her at the door and warned her this is a smoking household. She
>>>> stepped in and took a deeeeeeeep breath! She said, "I quit smoking
>>>> five
>>>> years ago, I'm living vicariously!" LOL Yet other non-smokers have
>>>> commented the house doesn't smell at all smokey. Go figure.
>>>
>>> I'd figure they were telling you a little white lie :-) Trust me, to
>>> non-smokers there is no such thing as a smoker OR a smoking home that
>>> doesn't smell of it.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> That may be true, Janet. Although on occasions when I hadn't
>> forewarned people they seemed honestly surprised when I asked, "Mind
>> if I smoke?" (I shouldn't have to ask in my own home, but believe it
>> or not I *am* polite.)
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> I never smoked in my house, always on the patio, and boy it could sure
> get cold out there at times. :-)
>
> Cheri

I sort of miss cold weather. I got to wear a winter jacket in
January! A couple of times!

It seems it is always warm and humid here. People have been telling me
for years it doesn't rain here. Well, I'm looking at the sky right now.
The wind has been tossing around the trees. The Spanish moss is
dancing from the live oaks. There is occasional sun. It is humid, too.
I can tell it's going to rain. <G> It does this every year in
May/June/July. Late afternoon evening showers or thunderstorms.

I don't have a covered outdoor space so I won't sit outside to smoke.

Jill

On 23/07/2013 11:48 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>
>> A neighbor came over the other day to look at an item I had for sale.
>> I met her at the door and warned her this is a smoking household. She
>> stepped in and took a deeeeeeeep breath! She said, "I quit smoking
>> five years ago, I'm living vicariously!" LOL Yet other non-smokers
>> have commented the house doesn't smell at all smokey. Go figure.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> LOL, I still love the smell of tobacco too and once in awhile I will
> catch a whiff of my neighbor smoking when I go out to the back yard, and
> it always smells good to me.
>

I used to like the smell of cigarettes. I think they must put something
in the tobacco these days that makes it smell worse than it used to.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 7/23/2013 8:54 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> A neighbor came over the other day to look at an item I had for sale. I
> >> met her at the door and warned her this is a smoking household. She
> >> stepped in and took a deeeeeeeep breath! She said, "I quit smoking five
> >> years ago, I'm living vicariously!" LOL Yet other non-smokers have
> >> commented the house doesn't smell at all smokey. Go figure.
> >
> > I'd figure they were telling you a little white lie :-) Trust me, to
> > non-smokers there is no such thing as a smoker OR a smoking home that
> > doesn't smell of it.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> That may be true, Janet. Although on occasions when I hadn't forewarned
> people they seemed honestly surprised when I asked, "Mind if I smoke?"
> (I shouldn't have to ask in my own home, but believe it or not I *am*
> polite.)

Oh, I believe you ask but I don't agree it's polite, because it's not
really a choice, is it? It tells the non-smoker guest you want a
cigarette now and really don't want to wait till they've gone. Smoking
hosts often pull that one, confidently expecting their non-smoking guest
will be too polite to refuse consent. True politeness, does not ask a
question that makes the guest feel uncomfortable whichever way they
answer.

So maybe it was merely the guest's surprise (or resigned irritation)
that you would deliberately put them on the spot.

Janet UK.

On 23/07/2013 11:49 AM, Cheri wrote:
l
>
>
> I never smoked in my house, always on the patio, and boy it could sure
> get cold out there at times. :-)
>
>

I recently heard a comedian to a bit about smoking in the house when he
has non-smoking guests. He sends them outside while he smoked. Cold?
Rainy? Too bad that's what they make him do when he wants to smoke at
their house.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 23/07/2013 11:49 AM, Cheri wrote:
> l
>>
>>
>> I never smoked in my house, always on the patio, and boy it could sure
>> get cold out there at times. :-)
>>
>>
>
> I recently heard a comedian to a bit about smoking in the house when he
> has non-smoking guests. He sends them outside while he smoked. Cold?
> Rainy? Too bad that's what they make him do when he wants to smoke at
> their house.


LOL

Cheri

On 7/23/2013 8:54 AM, Janet wrote:

> I'd figure they were telling you a little white lie:-) Trust me, to
> non-smokers there is no such thing as a smoker OR a smoking home that
> doesn't smell of it.

Especially to a former smoker. I think it stinks, the people who smoke
stink and that's really what keeps me off of them the most.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 7/23/2013 8:54 AM, Janet wrote:
>
>> I'd figure they were telling you a little white lie:-) Trust me, to
>> non-smokers there is no such thing as a smoker OR a smoking home that
>> doesn't smell of it.
>
> Especially to a former smoker. I think it stinks, the people who smoke
> stink and that's really what keeps me off of them the most.

I like the smell and I am a former smoker for 50 years. Nothing about it
stinks to me.

Cheri

Cheri wrote:
>
> I never smoked in my house, always on the patio, and boy it could sure get
> cold out there at times. :-)

I did the same!

G.

On 7/23/2013 1:27 PM, Cheri wrote:

> I like the smell and I am a former smoker for 50 years. Nothing about it
> stinks to me.
>
> Cheri

I actually saw your post about liking the smell after I wrote my reply,
but 50 years? I smoked for 35 and thought that was bad. LOL So glad
you quit! But it really does stink to me. I guess people have
different perceptions. My sense of smell in general is way stronger
than before, and that's not always a good thing.


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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 7/23/2013 1:27 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
>> I like the smell and I am a former smoker for 50 years. Nothing about it
>> stinks to me.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I actually saw your post about liking the smell after I wrote my reply,
> but 50 years? I smoked for 35 and thought that was bad. LOL So glad you
> quit! But it really does stink to me. I guess people have different
> perceptions. My sense of smell in general is way stronger than before,
> and that's not always a good thing.

Yeah, mine too. I can smell cigarettes from a long way off now and lots of
odors that I couldn't smell before, but cigarette smoke has always been a
smell I like, dh has an occasional cigar outside and I like the smell of
that too.

Cheri