Because I buy two different nerve supplement formulas, I'm on the
company mailing list. I'd like your opinion about this email from
today. I think I've seen it before, so their newsletters must be on a
loop. I've seen so many arguments both for and against these claims
against the use of MSG in foods. I'm still confused, and there's just
not enough time in the day to research everything that goes into our
bodies, is there? The subject line in the email was "A Food Ingredient
That Causes Nerve Damage".

I know that sellers of supplements always have an agenda and I guess in
this case, the reason for these newsletters might be to assure me they
are my friend or something since they aren't trying to sell me anything
in them.

--------begin C&P

Following the Second World War, food companies discovered monosodium
glutamate (MSG), a food ingredient the Japanese had invented in 1908 to
enhance food flavors.

Unfortunately, MSG is extremely toxic, especially to your nervous system.

The fast food industry could not exist without MSG and other artificial
meat flavors to make their sauces and spice mixes. The sauces in
processed foods are basically MSG, water, thickeners and some caramel
coloring.

MSG tricks your tongue into thinking that it is getting something
nutritious when it is getting nothing at all except some very toxic
substances.

Almost all canned soups and stews contain MSG. Worcestershire sauce,
many salad dressings, rice mixes, dehydrated soups, as well as anything
that has a meat-like taste can have MSG in it.

Most processed vegetarian foods contain these flavorings. The list of
ingredients in vegetarian hamburgers, hot dogs, bacon, baloney, etc.,
often includes "hydrolyzed protein" (another name for MSG) and other
"natural" flavorings. Almost all soy-based foods contain large amounts
of MSG.

In 1957 scientists found that mice became blind and obese when given
MSG. In 1969, MSG was found to cause damage in specific regions of the
brain. Subsequent studies confirmed this.

MSG is a substance that has a toxic effect on nerves and the nervous
system that causes a wide range of reactions, from temporary headaches
to permanent brain damage.

We are experiencing today more cases of Alzheimer's, brain cancers,
seizures, multiple sclerosis, and diseases of the nervous system. One of
the chief contributors to these conditions are these flavorings in our food.

Ninety-five percent of processed foods contain MSG.

In the late 1950's it was added to baby food. After some congressional
hearings on this subject, the baby food manufacturers stated they had
taken it out of the baby food, but they didn't really get rid of it.
They just called it by another name - "hydrolyzed protein."

Many foods that you may purchase that say "spices" or "natural flavors"
may contain MSG. The food industry avoids putting MSG on the label by
putting MSG in spice mixes. Legally, if the mix is less than 50 percent
MSG, manufacturers don't have to put it on the label. The term "No MSG"
on food labels has virtually disappeared.

This substance is so harmful to your body that you want to avoid all
foods containing MSG. To do this successfully you must take the time
when shopping to read the ingredients labels on the foods you purchase.

To help you to determine what foods actually contain MSG we have
compiled a list of ingredients (in alphabetical order) that ALWAYS
contain MSG.

Autolyzed plant protein
Autolyzed yeast
Calcium caseinate
Glutamate Textured protein
Glutamic acid
Hydrolyzed Plant Protein (HPP)
(any protein that is hydrolyzed)
Hydrolyzed protein
Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein (HVP)
Monopotassium glutamate
Monosodium glutamate
MSG
Sodium caseinate
Textured protein
Yeast extract

By eliminating as much MSG as possible from your diet, it will result in
greatly improved health for you and your loved ones, both now and in the
future.

------------end C&P

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On 2013-07-23 23:20:07 +0000, Cheryl said:

> Because I buy two different nerve supplement formulas, I'm on the
> company mailing list. I'd like your opinion about this email from
> today.

I would too. I use to get the occasional headache after eating Chinese
food in the early 80's. Not long thereafter there was a lot of jabber
on various Chinese menus indicating they used NO MSG in their cooking.

> Textured protein
> Yeast extract

I didn't know these were code words for MSG.

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:20:07 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> By eliminating as much MSG as possible from your diet, it will result in
> greatly improved health for you and your loved ones, both now and in the
> future.

I would eliminate artificial sweeteners from my diet before I started
to worry about MSG. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of artificial
anything - but I worry about msg less than I do about artificial
sweeteners. I'd rather eat less of the real thing. If the real thing
caused physical concerns, I'd cut it back until it didn't affect me
anymore.

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On 7/23/2013 1:20 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> Because I buy two different nerve supplement formulas, I'm on the
> company mailing list. I'd like your opinion about this email from
> today. I think I've seen it before, so their newsletters must be on a
> loop. I've seen so many arguments both for and against these claims
> against the use of MSG in foods. I'm still confused, and there's just
> not enough time in the day to research everything that goes into our
> bodies, is there? The subject line in the email was "A Food Ingredient
> That Causes Nerve Damage".
>
> I know that sellers of supplements always have an agenda and I guess in
> this case, the reason for these newsletters might be to assure me they
> are my friend or something since they aren't trying to sell me anything
> in them.

These people will say anything to scare you in the hopes that you'll
buy, buy, buy, whatever product they're hawking. You can take that to
the bank right there.

>
> --------begin C&P
>
> Following the Second World War, food companies discovered monosodium
> glutamate (MSG), a food ingredient the Japanese had invented in 1908 to
> enhance food flavors.
>
> Unfortunately, MSG is extremely toxic, especially to your nervous system.
>
> The fast food industry could not exist without MSG and other artificial
> meat flavors to make their sauces and spice mixes. The sauces in
> processed foods are basically MSG, water, thickeners and some caramel
> coloring.
>
> MSG tricks your tongue into thinking that it is getting something
> nutritious when it is getting nothing at all except some very toxic
> substances.
>
> Almost all canned soups and stews contain MSG. Worcestershire sauce,
> many salad dressings, rice mixes, dehydrated soups, as well as anything
> that has a meat-like taste can have MSG in it.
>
> Most processed vegetarian foods contain these flavorings. The list of
> ingredients in vegetarian hamburgers, hot dogs, bacon, baloney, etc.,
> often includes "hydrolyzed protein" (another name for MSG) and other
> "natural" flavorings. Almost all soy-based foods contain large amounts
> of MSG.
>
> In 1957 scientists found that mice became blind and obese when given
> MSG. In 1969, MSG was found to cause damage in specific regions of the
> brain. Subsequent studies confirmed this.
>
> MSG is a substance that has a toxic effect on nerves and the nervous
> system that causes a wide range of reactions, from temporary headaches
> to permanent brain damage.
>
> We are experiencing today more cases of Alzheimer's, brain cancers,
> seizures, multiple sclerosis, and diseases of the nervous system. One of
> the chief contributors to these conditions are these flavorings in our
> food.
>
> Ninety-five percent of processed foods contain MSG.
>
> In the late 1950's it was added to baby food. After some congressional
> hearings on this subject, the baby food manufacturers stated they had
> taken it out of the baby food, but they didn't really get rid of it.
> They just called it by another name - "hydrolyzed protein."
>
> Many foods that you may purchase that say "spices" or "natural flavors"
> may contain MSG. The food industry avoids putting MSG on the label by
> putting MSG in spice mixes. Legally, if the mix is less than 50 percent
> MSG, manufacturers don't have to put it on the label. The term "No MSG"
> on food labels has virtually disappeared.
>
> This substance is so harmful to your body that you want to avoid all
> foods containing MSG. To do this successfully you must take the time
> when shopping to read the ingredients labels on the foods you purchase.
>
> To help you to determine what foods actually contain MSG we have
> compiled a list of ingredients (in alphabetical order) that ALWAYS
> contain MSG.
>
> Autolyzed plant protein
> Autolyzed yeast
> Calcium caseinate
> Glutamate Textured protein
> Glutamic acid
> Hydrolyzed Plant Protein (HPP)
> (any protein that is hydrolyzed)
> Hydrolyzed protein
> Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein (HVP)
> Monopotassium glutamate
> Monosodium glutamate
> MSG
> Sodium caseinate
> Textured protein
> Yeast extract
>
> By eliminating as much MSG as possible from your diet, it will result in
> greatly improved health for you and your loved ones, both now and in the
> future.
>
> ------------end C&P
>

On 7/23/2013 8:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> These people will say anything to scare you in the hopes that you'll
> buy, buy, buy, whatever product they're hawking. You can take that to
> the bank right there.

I'm sure there is some agenda involved, but in this case there was no
push to buy anything. I'm already buying their nerve support
supplements. They often send emails suggesting what to look at in your
diet and medication that might contribute to/prevent healing of nerve
damage without plugging anything. They are more like "here, we're your
friend so we want to help you" type emails. I am just interested in how
accurate this might be based on what others here might know. We have a
huge resource of smart people here.

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On 7/23/2013 6:13 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/23/2013 8:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> These people will say anything to scare you in the hopes that you'll
>> buy, buy, buy, whatever product they're hawking. You can take that to
>> the bank right there.
>
> I'm sure there is some agenda involved, but in this case there was no
> push to buy anything. I'm already buying their nerve support
> supplements. They often send emails suggesting what to look at in your
> diet and medication that might contribute to/prevent healing of nerve
> damage without plugging anything. They are more like "here, we're your
> friend so we want to help you" type emails. I am just interested in how
> accurate this might be based on what others here might know. We have a
> huge resource of smart people here.
>

How would you know, having filtered so many of them?

"gtr" > wrote in message news:2013072316350194154-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2013-07-23 23:20:07 +0000, Cheryl said:
>
>> Because I buy two different nerve supplement formulas, I'm on the
>> company mailing list. I'd like your opinion about this email from
>> today.
>
> I would too. I use to get the occasional headache after eating Chinese
> food in the early 80's. Not long thereafter there was a lot of jabber
> on various Chinese menus indicating they used NO MSG in their cooking.

Yielding a marvelous cartoon, I believe in the New Yorker, showing
a Chinese restaurant checkout counter, and a sign on the wall
stating "Upon request the chef will pretend not to use MSG."

pavane

On 7/23/2013 7:20 PM, Cheryl wrote:

> "We are experiencing today more cases of Alzheimer's, brain cancers,
> seizures, multiple sclerosis, and diseases of the nervous system. One of
> the chief contributors to these conditions are these flavorings in our
> food."

I think this paragraph is the one that needs the most quantifying. I
will look up these claims myself if I can.

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On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:02:58 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> These people will say anything to scare you in the hopes that you'll
> buy, buy, buy, whatever product they're hawking. You can take that to
> the bank right there.

As PT Barnum supposedly said: There's a sucker born every minute.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 7/23/2013 2:13 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/23/2013 8:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> These people will say anything to scare you in the hopes that you'll
>> buy, buy, buy, whatever product they're hawking. You can take that to
>> the bank right there.
>
> I'm sure there is some agenda involved, but in this case there was no
> push to buy anything. I'm already buying their nerve support
> supplements. They often send emails suggesting what to look at in your
> diet and medication that might contribute to/prevent healing of nerve
> damage without plugging anything. They are more like "here, we're your
> friend so we want to help you" type emails. I am just interested in how
> accurate this might be based on what others here might know. We have a
> huge resource of smart people here.
>

I read an article about MSG in Reader's Digest back in the 60s when I
was a little boy. My guess is that's where the hoopla about MSG begin.
The article stated that a study showed that a small percentage of people
who ate Chinese food had a number of symptoms including headaches, a
tightness in their chest, and a feeling of fatigue after eating Chinese
food. It cited MSG as a possible cause of this. Over the years it has
been amusing to me that the initial small percentage of people has
blossomed into most of the population.

What is known is that there has been no connection found in clinical
studies between MSG and these symptoms. My guess is that people are
eating too much Chinese food at a sitting or it's just plain old
fashioned food-borne poisoning. If a site tells you that MSG is
poisonous, they're lying. At best, they are misinformed, at worst, they
are trying to rip you off. A billion Chinese can't be wrong, although a
lot of them are really, really, Wong.

On 7/23/2013 2:57 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:02:58 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> These people will say anything to scare you in the hopes that you'll
>> buy, buy, buy, whatever product they're hawking. You can take that to
>> the bank right there.
>
> As PT Barnum supposedly said: There's a sucker born every minute.
>

I like your directness.

On 7/23/2013 9:25 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 7/23/2013 2:13 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 7/23/2013 8:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> These people will say anything to scare you in the hopes that you'll
>>> buy, buy, buy, whatever product they're hawking. You can take that to
>>> the bank right there.
>>
>> I'm sure there is some agenda involved, but in this case there was no
>> push to buy anything. I'm already buying their nerve support
>> supplements. They often send emails suggesting what to look at in your
>> diet and medication that might contribute to/prevent healing of nerve
>> damage without plugging anything. They are more like "here, we're your
>> friend so we want to help you" type emails. I am just interested in how
>> accurate this might be based on what others here might know. We have a
>> huge resource of smart people here.
>>
>
> I read an article about MSG in Reader's Digest back in the 60s when I
> was a little boy. My guess is that's where the hoopla about MSG begin.
> The article stated that a study showed that a small percentage of people
> who ate Chinese food had a number of symptoms including headaches, a
> tightness in their chest, and a feeling of fatigue after eating Chinese
> food. It cited MSG as a possible cause of this. Over the years it has
> been amusing to me that the initial small percentage of people has
> blossomed into most of the population.
>
> What is known is that there has been no connection found in clinical
> studies between MSG and these symptoms. My guess is that people are
> eating too much Chinese food at a sitting or it's just plain old
> fashioned food-borne poisoning. If a site tells you that MSG is
> poisonous, they're lying. At best, they are misinformed, at worst, they
> are trying to rip you off. A billion Chinese can't be wrong, although a
> lot of them are really, really, Wong.

I appreciate your response and your experience. Thanks for the reply.
I know this goes back decades.

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On 7/23/2013 9:25 PM, The Other Guy wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:02:58 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>>> Following the Second World War, food companies discovered
>>> monosodium glutamate (MSG), a food ingredient the Japanese had
>>> invented in 1908 to enhance food flavors.
>
> TOTAL garbage! MSG occurs NATURALLY in some foods. ALL that was
> 'discovered' was a way to extract and concentrate it!
>
> Professor Kikunae Ikeda from the Tokyo Imperial University isolated
> glutamic acid as a new taste substance in 1908 from the seaweed
> Laminaria japonica, kombu, by aqueous extraction and
> crystallization, and named its taste "umami".[7]
>
>>> Unfortunately, MSG is extremely toxic, especially to your nervous
>>> system.
>
> Bovine excrement!!
>
> Wikipedia.. Monosodium glutamate (MSG), also known as sodium
> glutamate, is the sodium salt of glutamic acid, one of the most
> abundant naturally occurring non-essential amino acids.[2] It was
> classified by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration as generally
> recognized as safe (GRAS) and by the European Union as a food
> additive.
>
>>> In 1957 scientists found that mice became blind and obese when
>>> given MSG. In 1969, MSG was found to cause damage in specific
>>> regions of the brain. Subsequent studies confirmed this.
>
> And yet MORE steaming bovine excrement!!
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate
>
> MSG has been used for more than 100 years to season food. During
> this period, extensive studies were conducted to elucidate the role,
> benefits and safety of MSG. At this point, international and
> national bodies for the safety of food additives consider MSG safe
> for human consumption as a flavor enhancer
>
>
I appreciate your heated response.

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Cheryl wrote:
>
>I've seen so many arguments both for and against these claims
>against the use of MSG in foods. I'm still confused.

Nothing to be confused about... MSG occurs naturally in many foods,
even human breast milk. Then again this subject has been discussed to
death here... methinks yoose trolling.

On 7/23/2013 3:31 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
> I appreciate your response and your experience. Thanks for the reply. I
> know this goes back decades.
>

My favorite Reader's Digest piece of all time is their alarmist article
on a small no-budget film about the dead coming back to life to eat the
flesh of the living. Their description of the atrocities in the film was
quite vivid and in all likelihood, made "The Night of the Living Dead"
into a historical milestone in the zombie movie genre. And the rest is
history.

Today, zombie culture is as big as it has ever been. There are young
people that believe that zombies are real and await the Zombie
Apocalypse. I saw "Warm Bodies" last night (it was merely OK.) Zombie
movies are bigger than ever and we owe it all to that magazine a little
bigger than a Samsung Note III. Thanks Reader's Digest!

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:32:42 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> I appreciate your heated response.

) He's certainly passionate about it.

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On 7/23/2013 9:35 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> I've seen so many arguments both for and against these claims
>> against the use of MSG in foods. I'm still confused.
>
> Nothing to be confused about... MSG occurs naturally in many foods,
> even human breast milk. Then again this subject has been discussed to
> death here... methinks yoose trolling.
>
Feel free to ignore any responses, if any.

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On 7/23/2013 9:55 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:32:42 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> I appreciate your heated response.
>
> ) He's certainly passionate about it.
>
Well, it doesn't address my question about nerve damage possibilities.
That was my main reason to ask. I'm sure for the healthy person it's
perfectly(?) fine.

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Just a weird personal reaction but I've realized that MSG gives me a sort of
Boing Boing sparkly dizzy feeling. Don't know that it does any permanent
damage but I sure don't like the feeling. Polly

gtr wrote:
> On 2013-07-23 23:20:07 +0000, Cheryl said:
>
>> Because I buy two different nerve supplement formulas, I'm on the
>> company mailing list. I'd like your opinion about this email from
>> today.
>
> I would too. I use to get the occasional headache after eating Chinese
> food in the early 80's. Not long thereafter there was a lot of jabber
> on various Chinese menus indicating they used NO MSG in their cooking.
>
>> Textured protein
>> Yeast extract
>
> I didn't know these were code words for MSG.

I did.

Although I don't add it to my food any more (did as a kid), I also don't
necessarily avoid it. I do however avoid soy protein most of the time.
Once in a great while I will eat breakfast sausage that has it in there.
And I do buy things on occasion that have corn or wheat protein in there.
But in general, I don't eat that stuff.

I believe that MSG is one of those things that can affect some people but
not all. There was a girl at Angela's dance studio who got migraines from
it. Her mom became furious with her when she ate a flavored Dortito on the
day before a big test at school. Told her she wouldn't be able to miss
school when the migraine struck. I have not noticed any adverst effects
from it.

I also take any and all emails that I get like this with a big grain of
salt.

Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/23/2013 8:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> These people will say anything to scare you in the hopes that you'll
>> buy, buy, buy, whatever product they're hawking. You can take that to
>> the bank right there.
>
> I'm sure there is some agenda involved, but in this case there was no
> push to buy anything. I'm already buying their nerve support
> supplements. They often send emails suggesting what to look at in
> your diet and medication that might contribute to/prevent healing of
> nerve damage without plugging anything. They are more like "here,
> we're your friend so we want to help you" type emails. I am just
> interested in how accurate this might be based on what others here
> might know. We have a huge resource of smart people here.

I buy things from lots of places including Life Extension and Swanson. Not
all of what they claim is true, IMO./

Cheryl wrote:
> Because I buy two different nerve supplement formulas

some of us have got enough nerve without needing supplements

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:02:58 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> These people will say anything to scare you in the hopes that you'll
>> buy, buy, buy, whatever product they're hawking. You can take that to
>> the bank right there.
>
> As PT Barnum supposedly said: There's a sucker born every minute.
>
And they live!

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 7/23/2013 9:55 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:32:42 -0400, Cheryl >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I appreciate your heated response.
>>
>> ) He's certainly passionate about it.
>>
> Well, it doesn't address my question about nerve damage possibilities.
> That was my main reason to ask. I'm sure for the healthy person it's
> perfectly(?) fine.

Would your doctor be able to advise? That is probably the only source I
would trust.

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dsi1 wrote:

> What is known is that there has been no connection found in clinical
> studies between MSG and these symptoms. My guess is that people are
> eating too much Chinese food at a sitting or it's just plain old
> fashioned food-borne poisoning. If a site tells you that MSG is
> poisonous, they're lying. At best, they are misinformed, at worst,
> they are trying to rip you off. A billion Chinese can't be wrong,

Agreed. And add a lot of people worldwide to that figure, since almost all
the aged cheeses develop MSG

> although a lot of them are really, really, Wong.

LOL
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Anthelme Brillat Savarin

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:05:50 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
> > On 7/23/2013 9:55 PM, sf wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:32:42 -0400, Cheryl >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I appreciate your heated response.
> >>
> >> ) He's certainly passionate about it.
> >>
> > Well, it doesn't address my question about nerve damage possibilities.
> > That was my main reason to ask. I'm sure for the healthy person it's
> > perfectly(?) fine.
>
> Would your doctor be able to advise? That is probably the only source I
> would trust.
>
You forgot. A goodly portion of posters here think their doctors are
uninformed quacks and turn to us for advice.

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:59:28 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

> Cheryl wrote:
> > Because I buy two different nerve supplement formulas
>
> some of us have got enough nerve without needing supplements

Now *that's* funny!

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 00:15:21 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:
>
> This company seems to send a lot of those "oh shit it's bad" emails. I
> guess I'm not going to give these diet suggestions much credo.

Isn't there some way to opt out of their emails?

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