We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today. Do you know of any
vegetarian items we should look for? I already know that they have good
cottage cheese and hummus but we don't currently need either of those
things. And I love their cheeseless pizza. It can't be called vegan
because I think it has sugar in it. Has been a while since I bought it.
Daughter refused to try it in the past but I will still buy it if they still
have it because I like it. Anything else we should look for that's good?
Thanks!

"Julie Bove" wrote:
>
>We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today.

What bullet... why is going to TJ's a bullet biter???

>Do you know of any vegetarian items we should look for?

I like iceberg lettuce and beets.

>I already know that they have good cottage cheese

Cheese is not vegetarian.

>and hummus but we don't currently need either of those
>things. And I love their cheeseless pizza. It can't be called vegan
>because I think it has sugar in it. Has been a while since I bought it.
>Daughter refused to try it in the past but I will still buy it if they still
>have it because I like it. Anything else we should look for that's good?

Your daugher should look for a big hard grisly penis... for that
matter you can use some too.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today. Do you know of any
> vegetarian items we should look for? I already know that they have good
> cottage cheese and hummus but we don't currently need either of those
> things. And I love their cheeseless pizza. It can't be called vegan
> because I think it has sugar in it. Has been a while since I bought it.
> Daughter refused to try it in the past but I will still buy it if they
> still have it because I like it. Anything else we should look for that's
> good? Thanks!

It has animal products so it is non vegan. Vegans love sugar. The ones I
have known eat it by the ton.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>>We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today.
>
> What bullet... why is going to TJ's a bullet biter???
>
>>Do you know of any vegetarian items we should look for?
>
> I like iceberg lettuce and beets.

Water, they have all kinds of water.

>>I already know that they have good cottage cheese
>
> Cheese is not vegetarian.

Yes, it is. It is not vegan. All dairy is vegetarian.

>>and hummus but we don't currently need either of those
>>things. And I love their cheeseless pizza. It can't be called vegan
>>because I think it has sugar in it. Has been a while since I bought it.
>>Daughter refused to try it in the past but I will still buy it if they
>>still
>>have it because I like it. Anything else we should look for that's good?
>
> Your daugher should look for a big hard grisly penis... for that
> matter you can use some too.

One assumes you speak from experience?

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> Vegans love sugar. The ones I have known eat it by the ton.
>


Perhaps, but most sugar is not vegan because they use "bone char" (which
is exactly what it sounds like) to process it.

Bob

On 8/7/2013 5:07 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>> We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today.
>
> What bullet... why is going to TJ's a bullet biter???
>
Because it's Julie... everything is a huge production. If there was a
TJ's near me (there isn't) I *might* go look around. If I didn't see
anything of interest I'd leave. You're not forced to buy anything
simply because you go to a store.

>> Do you know of any vegetarian items we should look for?
>> I already know that they have good cottage cheese
>
> Cheese is not vegetarian.
>
Vegetarians have subcategories:

"Pescatarians". They eat fish. I guess fish don't suffer as much when
caught and cooked.

"Lacto-ovo vegetarians" eat dairy products, but not eggs.

"Ovo-vegetarians" don't eat meat or dairy but do eat eggs.

Let's don't forget the "flexitarians". They're the most liberal party.
They mostly eat vegetables but sometimes meat.

It doesn't make much sense to me.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> Let's don't forget the "flexitarians". They're the most liberal party.
> They mostly eat vegetables but sometimes meat.


Hey, I do that! I thought it was just because I'm cheap. Who knew
there was a trendy word for it?

Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Let's don't forget the "flexitarians". They're the most liberal party.
>> They mostly eat vegetables but sometimes meat.
>
>
>Hey, I do that! I thought it was just because I'm cheap.

Nowadays veggies cost as much as meat.

On 8/7/2013 7:44 PM, zxcvbob wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Let's don't forget the "flexitarians". They're the most liberal
>> party. They mostly eat vegetables but sometimes meat.
>
>
> Hey, I do that! I thought it was just because I'm cheap. Who knew
> there was a trendy word for it?
>
> Bob

Fun, isn't it? Trendy words and phrases abound.

Jill

On 8/7/2013 7:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/7/2013 5:07 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>
>>> We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today.
>>
>> What bullet... why is going to TJ's a bullet biter???
>>
> Because it's Julie... everything is a huge production. If there was a
> TJ's near me (there isn't) I *might* go look around. If I didn't see
> anything of interest I'd leave. You're not forced to buy anything
> simply because you go to a store.
>

What is a TJ's?

"Hench" > wrote in message ...
> On 8/7/2013 7:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/7/2013 5:07 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today.
>>>
>>> What bullet... why is going to TJ's a bullet biter???
>>>
>> Because it's Julie... everything is a huge production. If there was a
>> TJ's near me (there isn't) I *might* go look around. If I didn't see
>> anything of interest I'd leave. You're not forced to buy anything
>> simply because you go to a store.
>>
>
> What is a TJ's?
>


Trader Joe's.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>>We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today.
>
> What bullet... why is going to TJ's a bullet biter???

It actually wasn't bad at all today but we did go at dinner time. Hmmm...
Normally one has to drive around and around for at least 10 minutes waiting
for someone to pull out to get a parking space. Today there were several
available. There is usually some sort of crazy person or a wild child on
one of the aisles. Did not see that today. And normally have to wait at
least 20 minutes in a long line. No lines today either.
>
>>Do you know of any vegetarian items we should look for?
>
> I like iceberg lettuce and beets.

Well, I haven't had the best of luck with their produce. I have bought the
refrigerated cooked beets but you can get those at other places too. Did
not see any today. I did buy some heirloom tomatoes today and two red bell
peppers. I hope they are okay. Often they are spoiled. I already have
some lettuce so didn't need that.
>
>>I already know that they have good cottage cheese
>
> Cheese is not vegetarian.

Why is it not? They did not have the cheeseless pizza that I wanted. I did
buy some of their pizza dough. Haven't tried it before. Mozzarella for
husband and some of their brand of vegan mozzarella for me. Yes, there is
vegan cheese.
>
>>and hummus but we don't currently need either of those
>>things. And I love their cheeseless pizza. It can't be called vegan
>>because I think it has sugar in it. Has been a while since I bought it.
>>Daughter refused to try it in the past but I will still buy it if they
>>still
>>have it because I like it. Anything else we should look for that's good?
>
> Your daugher should look for a big hard grisly penis... for that
> matter you can use some too.

Sorry, no. Don't think we have any bears here. We have trapped two
raccoons though.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/7/2013 5:07 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>
>>> We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today.
>>
>> What bullet... why is going to TJ's a bullet biter???
>>
> Because it's Julie... everything is a huge production. If there was a
> TJ's near me (there isn't) I *might* go look around. If I didn't see
> anything of interest I'd leave. You're not forced to buy anything simply
> because you go to a store.

I never said that did I? I just don't like having to drive around and
around for parking or waiting in a long line and those things normally
happen at this location. Did not happen today. I really think Whole Foods
has taken a big bite out of their customer base.
>
>>> Do you know of any vegetarian items we should look for?
>>> I already know that they have good cottage cheese
>>
>> Cheese is not vegetarian.
>>
> Vegetarians have subcategories:
>
> "Pescatarians". They eat fish. I guess fish don't suffer as much when
> caught and cooked.

Pescatarians are not vegetarians.
>
> "Lacto-ovo vegetarians" eat dairy products, but not eggs.
>
> "Ovo-vegetarians" don't eat meat or dairy but do eat eggs.
>
> Let's don't forget the "flexitarians". They're the most liberal party.
> They mostly eat vegetables but sometimes meat.

That would be me.
>
> It doesn't make much sense to me.

Okay.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> zxcvbob wrote:
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Let's don't forget the "flexitarians". They're the most liberal party.
>>> They mostly eat vegetables but sometimes meat.
>>
>>
>>Hey, I do that! I thought it was just because I'm cheap.
>
> Nowadays veggies cost as much as meat.

Nope. Beans and popcorn are two of the cheapest foods. Carrots are pretty
cheap too. The only cheap meats I've seen in this area are hotdogs and
bologna. If you could call them meat.

"Hench" > wrote in message ...
> On 8/7/2013 7:23 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/7/2013 5:07 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today.
>>>
>>> What bullet... why is going to TJ's a bullet biter???
>>>
>> Because it's Julie... everything is a huge production. If there was a
>> TJ's near me (there isn't) I *might* go look around. If I didn't see
>> anything of interest I'd leave. You're not forced to buy anything
>> simply because you go to a store.
>>
>
> What is a TJ's?

Trader Joe's.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>> We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today. Do you know of any
>> vegetarian items we should look for? I already know that they have good
>> cottage cheese and hummus but we don't currently need either of those
>> things. And I love their cheeseless pizza. It can't be called vegan
>> because I think it has sugar in it. Has been a while since I bought it.
>> Daughter refused to try it in the past but I will still buy it if they
>> still have it because I like it. Anything else we should look for that's
>> good? Thanks!
>
> It has animal products so it is non vegan. Vegans love sugar. The ones I
> have known eat it by the ton.

Most sugar isn't vegan and most vegans won't eat most sugar. But they now
have palm sugar aka coconut sugar. It is vegan and it seems to be replacing
brown rice syrup as the vegan choice of sweetener. Dates are also a popular
sweetener. I have made raw vegan brownies that were little more than dates,
nuts and cocoa powder put in a food processor. You'd be hard pressed to
tell them from baked brownies. Seriously!

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> Vegans love sugar. The ones I have known eat it by the ton.
>>
>
>
> Perhaps, but most sugar is not vegan because they use "bone char" (which
> is exactly what it sounds like) to process it.

Yep.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today. Do you know of
>>> any vegetarian items we should look for? I already know that they have
>>> good cottage cheese and hummus but we don't currently need either of
>>> those things. And I love their cheeseless pizza. It can't be called
>>> vegan because I think it has sugar in it. Has been a while since I
>>> bought it. Daughter refused to try it in the past but I will still buy
>>> it if they still have it because I like it. Anything else we should
>>> look for that's good? Thanks!
>>
>> It has animal products so it is non vegan. Vegans love sugar. The ones
>> I have known eat it by the ton.
>
> Most sugar isn't vegan and most vegans won't eat most sugar. But they now
> have palm sugar aka coconut sugar. It is vegan and it seems to be
> replacing brown rice syrup as the vegan choice of sweetener. Dates are
> also a popular sweetener. I have made raw vegan brownies that were little
> more than dates, nuts and cocoa powder put in a food processor. You'd be
> hard pressed to tell them from baked brownies. Seriously!

Whatever. I grew up with 3 asshole vegans - my sisters. Sugar was not off
their list. I went to a colllege where granola was used for a douche. They
all loved sugar in any form. Every ****ing vegan I have ever known has had
a sweet tooth that is almost an addiction.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
> Whatever. I grew up with 3 asshole vegans - my sisters. Sugar was not
> off their list. I went to a colllege where granola was used for a douche.
> They all loved sugar in any form. Every ****ing vegan I have ever known
> has had a sweet tooth that is almost an addiction.

Not me. I did eat a vegan for a while although could not call myself vegan
because I use and wear leather.

"John J" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 23:16:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>>> Whatever. I grew up with 3 asshole vegans - my sisters. Sugar was not
>>> off their list. I went to a colllege where granola was used for a
>>> douche.
>>> They all loved sugar in any form. Every ****ing vegan I have ever known
>>> has had a sweet tooth that is almost an addiction.
>>
>>Not me. I did eat a vegan for a while although could not call myself
>>vegan
>>because I use and wear leather.
>
> Eating a vegan would probably also disqualify you.

Bwahaha! That'll teach me to type something up when sleep deprived. I
don't know how that "a: got in there.

Paul M. Cook wrote:

> All dairy is vegetarian.

Not true. Many vegetarians won't eat cheese if it's been processed with
rennet, an animal product, and this is indeed the way much cheese is
made. My understanding is that it's a little less common nowadays than
it used to be but it's still something a strict vegetarian would be on
the lookout for.

-S-

Julie Bove wrote:
> We are going to bite the bullet and go to TJ's today. Do you know of
> any vegetarian items we should look for? I already know that they
> have good cottage cheese and hummus but we don't currently need
> either of those things. And I love their cheeseless pizza. It can't
> be called vegan because I think it has sugar in it. Has been a while
> since I bought it. Daughter refused to try it in the past but I will
> still buy it if they still have it because I like it. Anything else
> we should look for that's good? Thanks!

I frequent TJ's during the school year when it's easy for me to go while
in the car after dropping my son off at school.

First, they have a list, which they'll gladly give you, of all their
products in various categories - not just vegetarian, but gluten-free,
kosher, etc.

Second, I recommend you just try things that meet your criteria. Our
local TJ's has a "tastings" table in the back of the store, and I almost
always buy whatever they've just given me a free taste of - it's almost
always tasty, and even if I don't love it, someone else in my household
might. I look at the process as an inexpensive way - an item is just a
few dollars - of always having some otherwise unexpected variety in our
diets. Much of TJ's food is still pretty heavily processed, and
therefore not my first choice, but life is busy, and the above-outlined
plan works well for me, not to mention that it makes the servers at the
tastings table at TJ's my best friends.

Their frozen Indian foods are, to my non-Indian way of eating, pretty
good and many of them are vegetarian.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary and all that ...

-S-

On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 22:43:37 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >>
> >> It has animal products so it is non vegan. Vegans love sugar. The ones
> >> I have known eat it by the ton.
> >
> > Most sugar isn't vegan and most vegans won't eat most sugar. But they now
> > have palm sugar aka coconut sugar. It is vegan and it seems to be
> > replacing brown rice syrup as the vegan choice of sweetener. Dates are
> > also a popular sweetener. I have made raw vegan brownies that were little
> > more than dates, nuts and cocoa powder put in a food processor. You'd be
> > hard pressed to tell them from baked brownies. Seriously!
>
> Whatever. I grew up with 3 asshole vegans - my sisters. Sugar was not off
> their list. I went to a colllege where granola was used for a douche. They
> all loved sugar in any form. Every ****ing vegan I have ever known has had
> a sweet tooth that is almost an addiction.
>
I suppose the objection of vegans in Julie's area to has to do with
the refining process of cane sugar.
http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qasugar.htm

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 01:38:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "John J" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 23:16:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>> Whatever. I grew up with 3 asshole vegans - my sisters. Sugar was not
> >>> off their list. I went to a colllege where granola was used for a
> >>> douche.
> >>> They all loved sugar in any form. Every ****ing vegan I have ever known
> >>> has had a sweet tooth that is almost an addiction.
> >>
> >>Not me. I did eat a vegan for a while although could not call myself
> >>vegan
> >>because I use and wear leather.
> >
> > Eating a vegan would probably also disqualify you.
>
> Bwahaha! That'll teach me to type something up when sleep deprived. I
> don't know how that "a: got in there.
>
You probably meant to say "eat like a vegan".

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 22:43:37 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It has animal products so it is non vegan. Vegans love sugar. The
>> >> ones
>> >> I have known eat it by the ton.
>> >
>> > Most sugar isn't vegan and most vegans won't eat most sugar. But they
>> > now
>> > have palm sugar aka coconut sugar. It is vegan and it seems to be
>> > replacing brown rice syrup as the vegan choice of sweetener. Dates are
>> > also a popular sweetener. I have made raw vegan brownies that were
>> > little
>> > more than dates, nuts and cocoa powder put in a food processor. You'd
>> > be
>> > hard pressed to tell them from baked brownies. Seriously!
>>
>> Whatever. I grew up with 3 asshole vegans - my sisters. Sugar was not
>> off
>> their list. I went to a colllege where granola was used for a douche.
>> They
>> all loved sugar in any form. Every ****ing vegan I have ever known has
>> had
>> a sweet tooth that is almost an addiction.
>>
> I suppose the objection of vegans in Julie's area to has to do with
> the refining process of cane sugar.
> http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qasugar.htm

There must be plenty of other weays to process it. From a mass production
scale it seems pretty inefficient when some cancer causing chemicals would
do the job just as well.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Whatever. I grew up with 3 asshole vegans - my sisters. Sugar was not
>> off their list. I went to a colllege where granola was used for a
>> douche. They all loved sugar in any form. Every ****ing vegan I have
>> ever known has had a sweet tooth that is almost an addiction.
>
> Not me. I did eat a vegan for a while although could not call myself
> vegan because I use and wear leather.

And they'd kill you slowly for usurping "the diet" when you aren't a true
believer.

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> All dairy is vegetarian.
>
> Not true. Many vegetarians won't eat cheese if it's been processed with
> rennet, an animal product, and this is indeed the way much cheese is made.
> My understanding is that it's a little less common nowadays than it used
> to be but it's still something a strict vegetarian would be on the lookout
> for.


Why eat dairy and reject rennet? It all comes from the same place.

And there is vegetable rennet.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 07:02:36 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
> >>
> > I suppose the objection of vegans in Julie's area to has to do with
> > the refining process of cane sugar.
> > http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qasugar.htm
>
> There must be plenty of other weays to process it. From a mass production
> scale it seems pretty inefficient when some cancer causing chemicals would
> do the job just as well.
>
I'm starting to think that's why Trader Joe's just carries evaporated
cane juice sugar. My big objection to it was granule size, but
apparently it's their choice because I looked at the same item in the
grocery store and theirs is a finer grain. Mine whizzed up nicely in
the FP, so it's fine enough to work the way I want it to now.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 01:38:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "John J" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 23:16:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>> Whatever. I grew up with 3 asshole vegans - my sisters. Sugar was
>> >>> not
>> >>> off their list. I went to a colllege where granola was used for a
>> >>> douche.
>> >>> They all loved sugar in any form. Every ****ing vegan I have ever
>> >>> known
>> >>> has had a sweet tooth that is almost an addiction.
>> >>
>> >>Not me. I did eat a vegan for a while although could not call myself
>> >>vegan
>> >>because I use and wear leather.
>> >
>> > Eating a vegan would probably also disqualify you.
>>
>> Bwahaha! That'll teach me to type something up when sleep deprived. I
>> don't know how that "a: got in there.
>>
> You probably meant to say "eat like a vegan".

No she ate a vegan once. But daughter and husband didn't like it.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 07:04:37 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >
> >> All dairy is vegetarian.
> >
> > Not true. Many vegetarians won't eat cheese if it's been processed with
> > rennet, an animal product, and this is indeed the way much cheese is made.
> > My understanding is that it's a little less common nowadays than it used
> > to be but it's still something a strict vegetarian would be on the lookout
> > for.
>
>
> Why eat dairy and reject rennet? It all comes from the same place.
>

Not really. Rennet is from a cow's stomach (the fourth one) and the
animal needs to be slaughtered to obtain it. Cheese is milk and you
don't have to kill an animal to get milk. That's the difference
between vegans and vegetarians. Vegans won't even heat honey, which
is just plain weird - IMO.

> And there is vegetable rennet.
>
I imagine it was invented to placate vegans. I don't care, so I
haven't noticed if Trader Joe's separates cheeses by the type of
rennet used or if the type is noted on the label.
http://www.traderjoes.com/guides/rennet-test.asp


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 22:31:11 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Well, I haven't had the best of luck with their produce. I have bought the
>refrigerated cooked beets but you can get those at other places too. Did
>not see any today. I did buy some heirloom tomatoes today and two red bell
>peppers. I hope they are okay. Often they are spoiled. I already have
>some lettuce so didn't need that.

What is it with American grocery stores and spoiled produce? There are
three grocery stores in the small town where I shop in Southeastern
Ontario, and they all have lovely produce. I can't remember ever
buying anything that had rotted. Anything that is a bit over goes on
the reduced rack, and I'll buy that stuff on occasion because it's so
cheap.

Doris

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 22:31:11 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Well, I haven't had the best of luck with their produce. I have bought
>>the
>>refrigerated cooked beets but you can get those at other places too. Did
>>not see any today. I did buy some heirloom tomatoes today and two red
>>bell
>>peppers. I hope they are okay. Often they are spoiled. I already have
>>some lettuce so didn't need that.
>
> What is it with American grocery stores and spoiled produce? There are
> three grocery stores in the small town where I shop in Southeastern
> Ontario, and they all have lovely produce. I can't remember ever
> buying anything that had rotted. Anything that is a bit over goes on
> the reduced rack, and I'll buy that stuff on occasion because it's so
> cheap.

It can take up to a month from farm to store. We have hugely long supply
lines. Most of the produce I buy is grown in Mexico.

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> All dairy is vegetarian.
>>
>> Not true. Many vegetarians won't eat cheese if it's been processed
>> with rennet, an animal product, and this is indeed the way much
>> cheese is made. My understanding is that it's a little less common
>> nowadays than it used to be but it's still something a strict
>> vegetarian would be on the lookout for.
>
>
> Why eat dairy and reject rennet? It all comes from the same place.
>
> And there is vegetable rennet.

This isn't a matter of opinion; you're not a vegetarian and neither am
I. But your statement, "All dairy is vegetarian," is not correct.
There's rennet, there's vegetable rennet, and there is making cheese
with milk and vinegar or lemon juice, which I've done (and talked about
here after having learned about it here). I ask only that we state as
facts those things which are facts, not your or my opinions - fair
enough?

-S-

On 08/08/2013 12:59 PM, Doris Night wrote:

> What is it with American grocery stores and spoiled produce? There are
> three grocery stores in the small town where I shop in Southeastern
> Ontario, and they all have lovely produce. I can't remember ever
> buying anything that had rotted. Anything that is a bit over goes on
> the reduced rack, and I'll buy that stuff on occasion because it's so
> cheap.

I don't have a problem with bad produce in Ontario grocery stores, at
least in the Niagara area where I live. Some stores have better produce
than others, and some have better prices. Curiously, some of the bargain
stores have the best produce and good produce.

There is one notable exception.... the Zehrs Superstore in
St.Catharines. I took my mother there when it it first opened. We were
there on the opening day. There was while mould on a lot of the citrus
fruit. Most stores would have removed any fruit that was spawning mould
like that, but at least they would have an excuse with it having been
around for a while. There is not much excuse for it on opening day.

I thought the only explanation was a bad produce manager. I went to that
store again one other time, only because it was on the way home for me,
and the produce was no better. I can't say if there has been an
improvement. I have been back there for other things.... because it was
convenient, but I did not even bother with produce.

On 08/08/2013 1:06 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:

>> What is it with American grocery stores and spoiled produce? There are
>> three grocery stores in the small town where I shop in Southeastern
>> Ontario, and they all have lovely produce. I can't remember ever
>> buying anything that had rotted. Anything that is a bit over goes on
>> the reduced rack, and I'll buy that stuff on occasion because it's so
>> cheap.
>
> It can take up to a month from farm to store. We have hugely long supply
> lines. Most of the produce I buy is grown in Mexico.
>
>


That would apply only to the less perishable produce. We are even
further from Mexico and South America, and most of the stuff is truck
across the US to get here.


On a related note.... maybe Americans are really getting hosed on
produce. A number of years ago when the Canadian dollar was only worth
64 cents US, I would occasionally cross border shop for chicken, milk,
butter and a few other things that were still much cheaper than year. I
never bought produce. It was the same price here as as home. For
instance, lettuce was 99 cents a head in Niagara Falls NY and in most
stores in southern Ontario, except that would be more like 64 cents US
to buy it in Ontario. The produce would have to go through the border
here and most produce goes to the Ontario Food Terminal in Toronto where
the retailers bought it and shipped it back to their stores. That would
add about 150 miles to the transportation costs plus the extra time.

On 8/8/2013 11:59 AM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 22:31:11 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Well, I haven't had the best of luck with their produce. I have bought the
>> refrigerated cooked beets but you can get those at other places too. Did
>> not see any today. I did buy some heirloom tomatoes today and two red bell
>> peppers. I hope they are okay. Often they are spoiled. I already have
>> some lettuce so didn't need that.
>
> What is it with American grocery stores and spoiled produce? There are
> three grocery stores in the small town where I shop in Southeastern
> Ontario, and they all have lovely produce. I can't remember ever
> buying anything that had rotted. Anything that is a bit over goes on
> the reduced rack, and I'll buy that stuff on occasion because it's so
> cheap.

Most grocery stores run on very small profit margins, which leads to
the budget grocery stores (those that cater to shoppers looking for
lowest prices instead of highest quality) to practice the following
economies with their produce:

A. Purchasing cheaper, lower-graded produce. Produce that's smaller,
or somewhat damaged, or older - as long as it's cheaper. The big
warehouse grocery stores in my area have consistently terrible
produce. They're going for price, not quality.

B. Minimizing loss by keeping it on the shelf longer. Again, where a
higher-margin store may chuck stuff that no longer meets its stricter
criteria, the budget grocery stores will be reluctant to toss it until
it shows visible signs of decay.

So the customers at the smaller grocery stores, or the budget grocery
stores, are more likely to have to pick through second- or third-rate
produce, and have it spoil faster on them when they get it home.

By the way, TJ's is not a budget grocery store, and contrary to
Julie's assertion, they tend to have higher quality products,
including produce, at their stores. Julie's the one with the problems,
not TJ's.

On 08/08/2013 1:26 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

> Most grocery stores run on very small profit margins, which leads to the
> budget grocery stores (those that cater to shoppers looking for lowest
> prices instead of highest quality) to practice the following economies
> with their produce:


That is not my experience. I usually find that the small stores have the
best produce, and they often have the best prices. AAMOF, we stopped in
at a small local grocery yesterday to pick up something to BBQ for
supper. They had some really nice blueberries on sale. Then we saw the
deal on cantaloupes. Then we saw some other deals.

The smaller stores are usually run by a person, usually with family
members working for them. There is no head office to support, not high
paid CEO, no national advertising budget to support. This store has two
aisles. It is jam packed with produce, meat and canned goods...... and
customers.


> By the way, TJ's is not a budget grocery store, and contrary to Julie's
> assertion, they tend to have higher quality products, including produce,
> at their stores. Julie's the one with the problems, not TJ's.
>

Indeed. She has/is a problem.

On 8/8/2013 1:17 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 08/08/2013 12:59 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>
>> What is it with American grocery stores and spoiled produce? There are
>> three grocery stores in the small town where I shop in Southeastern
>> Ontario, and they all have lovely produce. I can't remember ever
>> buying anything that had rotted. Anything that is a bit over goes on
>> the reduced rack, and I'll buy that stuff on occasion because it's so
>> cheap.
>
> I don't have a problem with bad produce in Ontario grocery stores, at
> least in the Niagara area where I live. Some stores have better produce
> than others, and some have better prices.

That's the way it is where I live, too. Maybe some stores are
better, produce-wise, than others, but they don't have spoiled
produce. It's not some American Grocery Store thing.

nancy

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>> All dairy is vegetarian.
>>>
>>> Not true. Many vegetarians won't eat cheese if it's been processed
>>> with rennet, an animal product, and this is indeed the way much
>>> cheese is made. My understanding is that it's a little less common
>>> nowadays than it used to be but it's still something a strict
>>> vegetarian would be on the lookout for.
>>
>>
>> Why eat dairy and reject rennet? It all comes from the same place.
>>
>> And there is vegetable rennet.
>
> This isn't a matter of opinion; you're not a vegetarian and neither am I.
> But your statement, "All dairy is vegetarian," is not correct. There's
> rennet, there's vegetable rennet, and there is making cheese with milk and
> vinegar or lemon juice, which I've done (and talked about here after
> having learned about it here). I ask only that we state as facts those
> things which are facts, not your or my opinions - fair enough?


Your commitment to maintaining the highest degree of journalistic integrity
on this Internet newsgroup is to be commended.

Doris Night wrote:
>
Julie wrote:
> >I did buy some heirloom tomatoes today and two red bell
> >peppers. I hope they are okay. Often they are spoiled.
>
> What is it with American grocery stores and spoiled produce? There are
> three grocery stores in the small town where I shop in Southeastern
> Ontario, and they all have lovely produce. I can't remember ever
> buying anything that had rotted.

It's not an american grocery store thing, it's a Julie thing. I have
never seen rotted or spoiled produce in any of my grocery stores.

G.