On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:52:10 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
wrote:

> My grandparents are in cardboard boxes in my mother's linen closet.
> Once Mom is gone, my grandparents are going in the dumpster.

That's harsh! Why not just plant everyone in the garden? My
grandmother was under a rose bush.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

In article >,
sf > wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:52:10 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
>wrote:
>
>> My grandparents are in cardboard boxes in my mother's linen closet.
>> Once Mom is gone, my grandparents are going in the dumpster.
>
>That's harsh! Why not just plant everyone in the garden? My
>grandmother was under a rose bush.

I don't get it. It's a box full of phosphorus and calcium. Why
not dumpster it?

Cindy Hamilton
--

On 8/16/2013 3:13 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:52:10 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
> wrote:
>
>> My grandparents are in cardboard boxes in my mother's linen closet.
>> Once Mom is gone, my grandparents are going in the dumpster.
>
> That's harsh! Why not just plant everyone in the garden? My
> grandmother was under a rose bush.
>


My ex-wife had an Aunt whose husband died 30 years before she did. She
kept his ashes and instructed us that when her time came, we were to
cremate her and mix her ashes with his... then scatter them around in
the woods around their house (about 5 acres).

We held a memorial service for her in those woods and family and friend
took turns scattering the ashes here and there.

It was one of the nicer, more meaningful funerals I've ever attended.

George L

In article >,
says...
>
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
> >On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:52:10 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
> >wrote:
> >
> >> My grandparents are in cardboard boxes in my mother's linen closet.
> >> Once Mom is gone, my grandparents are going in the dumpster.
> >
> >That's harsh! Why not just plant everyone in the garden? My
> >grandmother was under a rose bush.
>
> I don't get it. It's a box full of phosphorus and calcium. Why
> not dumpster it?

Because it's really good fertiliser, don't waste it! Scatter it
round a tree or rose or clematis so their last remains return to the
earth, life and beauty.

Janet UK

On 16/08/2013 4:27 PM, George Leppla wrote:

> My ex-wife had an Aunt whose husband died 30 years before she did. She
> kept his ashes and instructed us that when her time came, we were to
> cremate her and mix her ashes with his... then scatter them around in
> the woods around their house (about 5 acres).
>
> We held a memorial service for her in those woods and family and friend
> took turns scattering the ashes here and there.
>
> It was one of the nicer, more meaningful funerals I've ever attended.

My father in law wanted his ashes to be scattered over his golf course.
My brother in law and three of my nephews did the honours. They were not
expecting the gritty ashes to blow back in their faces.

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/16/2013 3:13 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:52:10 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My grandparents are in cardboard boxes in my mother's linen closet.
>>> Once Mom is gone, my grandparents are going in the dumpster.
>>
>> That's harsh! Why not just plant everyone in the garden? My
>> grandmother was under a rose bush.
>>
>
>
> My ex-wife had an Aunt whose husband died 30 years before she did. She
> kept his ashes and instructed us that when her time came, we were to
> cremate her and mix her ashes with his... then scatter them around in the
> woods around their house (about 5 acres).
>
> We held a memorial service for her in those woods and family and friend
> took turns scattering the ashes here and there.
>
> It was one of the nicer, more meaningful funerals I've ever attended.

Something very similar is what we have mentioned in our will for us The
children all know and are happy to follow our wishes

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On 8/16/2013 3:46 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "George Leppla" > wrote in message

>> We held a memorial service for her in those woods and family and friend
>> took turns scattering the ashes here and there.
>>
>> It was one of the nicer, more meaningful funerals I've ever attended.
>
> Something very similar is what we have mentioned in our will for us The
> children all know and are happy to follow our wishes
>

I often get requests from people who want to spread ashes at sea from a
cruise ship. There is one line that allows this (Princess) and they
usually send a ship's officer to the ceremony. Rules are you have to
use a biodegradable container.

Usually, the family will take the ashes to a favorite port/beach early
in the morning and do it there.

George L

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:25:02 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
> >On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:52:10 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
> >wrote:
> >
> >> My grandparents are in cardboard boxes in my mother's linen closet.
> >> Once Mom is gone, my grandparents are going in the dumpster.
> >
> >That's harsh! Why not just plant everyone in the garden? My
> >grandmother was under a rose bush.
>
> I don't get it. It's a box full of phosphorus and calcium. Why
> not dumpster it?
>

Why not put them to good use as a fertilizer for your plants instead
of contributing to landfill?

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:25:02 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
> wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> sf > wrote:
>> >On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:52:10 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> My grandparents are in cardboard boxes in my mother's linen closet.
>> >> Once Mom is gone, my grandparents are going in the dumpster.
>> >
>> >That's harsh! Why not just plant everyone in the garden? My
>> >grandmother was under a rose bush.
>>
>> I don't get it. It's a box full of phosphorus and calcium. Why
>> not dumpster it?
>>
>
> Why not put them to good use as a fertilizer for your plants instead
> of contributing to landfill?

Yes! I like ... hmmm was it notbob who had ferrets? He buried them and
planted a tree. Having his ashes scattered around the tree sounds good to
me We have a specific place where we want our ashes scattered and our
children know it well

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"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/16/2013 3:46 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "George Leppla" > wrote in message
>
>>> We held a memorial service for her in those woods and family and friend
>>> took turns scattering the ashes here and there.
>>>
>>> It was one of the nicer, more meaningful funerals I've ever attended.
>>
>> Something very similar is what we have mentioned in our will for us
>> The
>> children all know and are happy to follow our wishes
>>
>
> I often get requests from people who want to spread ashes at sea from a
> cruise ship. There is one line that allows this (Princess) and they
> usually send a ship's officer to the ceremony. Rules are you have to use
> a biodegradable container.
>
> Usually, the family will take the ashes to a favorite port/beach early in
> the morning and do it there.

Very nice

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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> "Jean B." wrote:
> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nowadays lot's of folks opt for composite granite headstones, they
> >>> cost a lot less than natural granite.
> >>
> >> Better yet is cremation and scatter the ashes. I've never been one to
> >> visit graves so that way my kids won't feel guilty for not visiting my
> >> grave either.
> >
> >I'd like a green burial, so my components feed the flora and
> >fauna. I would also like my name etc. carved into a rock that is
> >left at the site. Period. I just hope there are green burials in
> >Massachusetts when the time comes.
>
> What's not green about burial in a wooden box and a rock to mark the
> spot? Cremation is not green, all that energy wasted to do exactly
> what nature will accomplish for free in the ground. My feeling is
> that one must be very angry at their family/friends and very
> dissatisfied with how they lived their life to opt for cremation and
> scattered ashes, by depriving them of the opportunity to visit their
> grave in rememberance, respect, and soul cleansing... I've given this
> a lot of profound thought... cremation is literally the cowardly way
> out, cremation translates to a big **** Yoose All after the fact. I
> wouldn't cremate a pet, they deserve a marked grave... I believe that
> everyone deserves a marked grave, even a serial killer, so at least
> everyone will know where to defecate on their head. Cremation and
> scattering ashes is saying one never existed because their life wasn't
> worth a shit. I don't visit my parent's grave anymore because it's
> too far but I have photographs of their memorial stone, every so often
> I spend a moment looking at them as a reminder that they existed. And
> just because I don't visit doesn't mean no one else does. On the
> property right across the road there's a small family cemetary that
> dates back to Revolutionary times, contains maybe 20 head stones,
> there are lots of such cemetaries around here. There's a group of
> people who clean and maintain these cemetaries, I help pull the weeds
> at the one across the road. I very often see people visiting the
> plot, probably decendants or people from the historical society,
> occasionally I notice that someone planted flowers.

Here's how I look at it. First of all there's the real estate issue.
Then I think about the stone and I remember that since the late 1960's
EVERY single death in at least the United States is recorded and in a
database for perpetuity.

So if they want to grieve they can simply look it up online.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 23:07:57 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

> Yes! I like ... hmmm was it notbob who had ferrets?

Gary has the ferrets, nb has the mother.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 2013-08-16 20:27:57 +0000, George Leppla said:

> On 8/16/2013 3:13 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:52:10 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My grandparents are in cardboard boxes in my mother's linen closet.
>>> Once Mom is gone, my grandparents are going in the dumpster.
>>
>> That's harsh! Why not just plant everyone in the garden? My
>> grandmother was under a rose bush.
>
> My ex-wife had an Aunt whose husband died 30 years before she did. She
> kept his ashes and instructed us that when her time came, we were to
> cremate her and mix her ashes with his... then scatter them around in
> the woods around their house (about 5 acres).

I think I have to go with Friendless Cindy on this one: If the
ceremony, tradition and sentimentality is for the living, and she's the
living, she oughta do what she likes. If the dumpster allows her a way
express disrespect, or allows her to disconnect from nagging issues
regarding the infinite--or any other damn reason--sure! Dumpster it.

I think of my oldest sister who puts on a real tough show, because if
she lets something get a holt of heart it takes too long for it to let
loose. Sis might do the same with familial ashes.

I had a cat I really loved for about 12 years. Moved to three towns
with her. I came home, found her dead and stiff under the kitchen
table. I wept. Then I put her in a hefty bag and into the dumpster.

I Just didn't love the corpse as much as I did the cat. And no
sentementality for it either.

On 2013-08-16 21:03:56 +0000, George Leppla said:

> I often get requests from people who want to spread ashes at sea from a
> cruise ship. There is one line that allows this (Princess) and they
> usually send a ship's officer to the ceremony. Rules are you have to
> use a biodegradable container.

Why the biodegradable container. Do they just throw the urn overboard?

> Usually, the family will take the ashes to a favorite port/beach early
> in the morning and do it there.

I did it at the beach once: Tricky.

On 2013-08-16 22:59:15 +0000, T said:

> Here's how I look at it. First of all there's the real estate issue.
> Then I think about the stone and I remember that since the late 1960's
> EVERY single death in at least the United States is recorded and in a
> database for perpetuity.

Not that I care either way, but don't you think a block of grante might
last longer than a "perpetual database". Having been a database jockey
for 20+ years, I can assure you that they don't last forever, even if
they are federal.

> So if they want to grieve they can simply look it up online.

Online might not last even as long as that.

I saw a movie the other day, Wim Wenders, Room 666. It's interviews
with filmmakers in the early 80's. They are talking about the future,
and they assume that film will one day die and be replaced by
video-tape, magnetic media, to store the archives of man's brief spate
with silver nitrate and it's cousins.

One guy mentioned how he had recorded 300+ movies, eternal filmic
artifacts, for his library. VHS. This, so it would last till the end of
time, or at least 12-15 years, whichever comes first.

On 8/16/2013 6:59 PM, T wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
>>
>> "Jean B." wrote:
>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nowadays lot's of folks opt for composite granite headstones, they
>>>>> cost a lot less than natural granite.
>>>>
>>>> Better yet is cremation and scatter the ashes. I've never been one to
>>>> visit graves so that way my kids won't feel guilty for not visiting my
>>>> grave either.
>>>
>>> I'd like a green burial, so my components feed the flora and
>>> fauna. I would also like my name etc. carved into a rock that is
>>> left at the site. Period. I just hope there are green burials in
>>> Massachusetts when the time comes.
>>
>> What's not green about burial in a wooden box and a rock to mark the
>> spot? Cremation is not green, all that energy wasted to do exactly
>> what nature will accomplish for free in the ground. My feeling is
>> that one must be very angry at their family/friends and very
>> dissatisfied with how they lived their life to opt for cremation and
>> scattered ashes, by depriving them of the opportunity to visit their
>> grave in rememberance, respect, and soul cleansing.
(snippage)
>
> Here's how I look at it. First of all there's the real estate issue.
> Then I think about the stone and I remember that since the late 1960's
> EVERY single death in at least the United States is recorded and in a
> database for perpetuity.
>
> So if they want to grieve they can simply look it up online.
>
>
Real estate, yes. Bodies in boxes take up a lot of "real estate".

Grief (and remembrance) has nothing to do with looking up details
online. Those are merely facts stored in some database. It has nothing
to do with how people feel.

I don't visit my parent's graves. My mother told me she never visited
*her* parents' graves. She said she didn't see the point. I'm pretty
sure she's not bothered by the fact I don't visit her and my father's
graves.

Jill

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:59:15 -0400, T >
wrote:

>In article >, gravesend10
says...
>>
>> "Jean B." wrote:
>> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Nowadays lot's of folks opt for composite granite headstones, they
>> >>> cost a lot less than natural granite.
>> >>
>> >> Better yet is cremation and scatter the ashes. I've never been one to
>> >> visit graves so that way my kids won't feel guilty for not visiting my
>> >> grave either.
>> >
>> >I'd like a green burial, so my components feed the flora and
>> >fauna. I would also like my name etc. carved into a rock that is
>> >left at the site. Period. I just hope there are green burials in
>> >Massachusetts when the time comes.
>>
>> What's not green about burial in a wooden box and a rock to mark the
>> spot? Cremation is not green, all that energy wasted to do exactly
>> what nature will accomplish for free in the ground. My feeling is
>> that one must be very angry at their family/friends and very
>> dissatisfied with how they lived their life to opt for cremation and
>> scattered ashes, by depriving them of the opportunity to visit their
>> grave in rememberance, respect, and soul cleansing... I've given this
>> a lot of profound thought... cremation is literally the cowardly way
>> out, cremation translates to a big **** Yoose All after the fact. I
>> wouldn't cremate a pet, they deserve a marked grave... I believe that
>> everyone deserves a marked grave, even a serial killer, so at least
>> everyone will know where to defecate on their head. Cremation and
>> scattering ashes is saying one never existed because their life wasn't
>> worth a shit. I don't visit my parent's grave anymore because it's
>> too far but I have photographs of their memorial stone, every so often
>> I spend a moment looking at them as a reminder that they existed. And
>> just because I don't visit doesn't mean no one else does. On the
>> property right across the road there's a small family cemetary that
>> dates back to Revolutionary times, contains maybe 20 head stones,
>> there are lots of such cemetaries around here. There's a group of
>> people who clean and maintain these cemetaries, I help pull the weeds
>> at the one across the road. I very often see people visiting the
>> plot, probably decendants or people from the historical society,
>> occasionally I notice that someone planted flowers.
>
>Here's how I look at it. First of all there's the real estate issue.
>Then I think about the stone and I remember that since the late 1960's
>EVERY single death in at least the United States is recorded and in a
>database for perpetuity.
>
>So if they want to grieve they can simply look it up online.

Aren't you who just said in your last post that data bases probably
won't be around in 10-15 years? And there's more than enough real
estate... not everyone needs to be intered in a fancy schmancy
cemetery in a big city, in rural areas many still maintain a family
plot on their own property... most folks here bury their pets in a
marked grave on their property, or some farmer will, been doing that
for hundreds of years. I have several marked graves for pets on my
property, three I buried myself for neighbors, I'm sure there are many
I haven't discovered yet.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:37:21 -0700, gtr > wrote:

>On 2013-08-16 20:27:57 +0000, George Leppla said:
>
>> On 8/16/2013 3:13 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:52:10 GMT, (Cindy Hamilton)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My grandparents are in cardboard boxes in my mother's linen closet.
>>>> Once Mom is gone, my grandparents are going in the dumpster.
>>>
>>> That's harsh! Why not just plant everyone in the garden? My
>>> grandmother was under a rose bush.
>>
>> My ex-wife had an Aunt whose husband died 30 years before she did. She
>> kept his ashes and instructed us that when her time came, we were to
>> cremate her and mix her ashes with his... then scatter them around in
>> the woods around their house (about 5 acres).
>
>I think I have to go with Friendless Cindy on this one: If the
>ceremony, tradition and sentimentality is for the living, and she's the
>living, she oughta do what she likes. If the dumpster allows her a way
>express disrespect, or allows her to disconnect from nagging issues
>regarding the infinite--or any other damn reason--sure! Dumpster it.
>
>I think of my oldest sister who puts on a real tough show, because if
>she lets something get a holt of heart it takes too long for it to let
>loose. Sis might do the same with familial ashes.
>
>I had a cat I really loved for about 12 years. Moved to three towns
>with her. I came home, found her dead and stiff under the kitchen
>table. I wept. Then I put her in a hefty bag and into the dumpster.
>
>I Just didn't love the corpse as much as I did the cat. And no
>sentementality for it either.

You couldn't afford a $10 shovel and couldn't take 20 minutes to bury
a cat... you NEVER loved that cat... you're a lying creep.

On 8/16/2013 6:39 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2013-08-16 21:03:56 +0000, George Leppla said:
>
>> I often get requests from people who want to spread ashes at sea from a
>> cruise ship. There is one line that allows this (Princess) and they
>> usually send a ship's officer to the ceremony. Rules are you have to
>> use a biodegradable container.
>
> Why the biodegradable container. Do they just throw the urn overboard?


Yes. Usually done while the ship is in international waters, from the
stern on one of the lowest decks that has an open access to the sea.
The container (and usually some flowers) are thrown into the sea.

There are companies that make urns specifically for burial at sea:

http://www.seaurn.com/

http://www.passagesinternational.com...rns/water-urns

George L

On 8/16/2013 8:20 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >I had a cat I really loved for about 12 years. Moved to three towns
>> >with her. I came home, found her dead and stiff under the kitchen
>> >table. I wept. Then I put her in a hefty bag and into the dumpster.
>> >
>> >I Just didn't love the corpse as much as I did the cat. And no
>> >sentementality for it either.

> You couldn't afford a $10 shovel and couldn't take 20 minutes to bury
> a cat... you NEVER loved that cat... you're a lying creep.


Yep. I could never be that disrespectful to the memory of a pet I loved
in life.

I know where every cat, dog, bird and goldfish that I ever owned is
buried and I buried them myself... a final act of love, affection,
respect and thanks for making my life better while they were with me.

George L

On 8/16/2013 9:14 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>
> not everyone needs to be intered in a fancy schmancy
> cemetery in a big city, in rural areas many still maintain a family
> plot on their own property... most folks here bury their pets in a
> marked grave on their property, or some farmer will, been doing that
> for hundreds of years.

Plenty of them in the rural areas around here. Check local laws though,
there are regulations in some areas.

On 2013-08-17 01:49:07 +0000, George Leppla said:

> On 8/16/2013 8:20 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> I had a cat I really loved for about 12 years. Moved to three towns
>>>> with her. I came home, found her dead and stiff under the kitchen
>>>> table. I wept. Then I put her in a hefty bag and into the dumpster.
>>>>
>>>> I Just didn't love the corpse as much as I did the cat. And no
>>>> sentementality for it either.
>
>> You couldn't afford a $10 shovel and couldn't take 20 minutes to bury
>> a cat... you NEVER loved that cat... you're a lying creep.

See, THAT is why I have this dipshit killfiled. It's not what he thinks
that's the problem, it's the shit he smears on other people that stink
the place up.

> Yep. I could never be that disrespectful to the memory of a pet I
> loved in life.

"Memory of a" can not be buried. Corpses are corpses. Just my view.

> I know where every cat, dog, bird and goldfish that I ever owned is
> buried and I buried them myself... a final act of love, affection,
> respect and thanks for making my life better while they were with me.

Good for you. Do what makes you feel right.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:49:07 -0500, George Leppla
> wrote:

> Yep. I could never be that disrespectful to the memory of a pet I loved
> in life.
>
> I know where every cat, dog, bird and goldfish that I ever owned is
> buried and I buried them myself... a final act of love, affection,
> respect and thanks for making my life better while they were with me.

The only dead pets I've ever flushed were fish, which I think is
fitting - considering they spent their entire lifetime in water.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:59:15 -0400, T >
> wrote:
>
>>In article >, gravesend10
says...
>>>
>>> "Jean B." wrote:
>>> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> >> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Nowadays lot's of folks opt for composite granite headstones, they
>>> >>> cost a lot less than natural granite.
>>> >>
>>> >> Better yet is cremation and scatter the ashes. I've never been one to
>>> >> visit graves so that way my kids won't feel guilty for not visiting
>>> >> my
>>> >> grave either.
>>> >
>>> >I'd like a green burial, so my components feed the flora and
>>> >fauna. I would also like my name etc. carved into a rock that is
>>> >left at the site. Period. I just hope there are green burials in
>>> >Massachusetts when the time comes.
>>>
>>> What's not green about burial in a wooden box and a rock to mark the
>>> spot? Cremation is not green, all that energy wasted to do exactly
>>> what nature will accomplish for free in the ground. My feeling is
>>> that one must be very angry at their family/friends and very
>>> dissatisfied with how they lived their life to opt for cremation and
>>> scattered ashes, by depriving them of the opportunity to visit their
>>> grave in rememberance, respect, and soul cleansing... I've given this
>>> a lot of profound thought... cremation is literally the cowardly way
>>> out, cremation translates to a big **** Yoose All after the fact. I
>>> wouldn't cremate a pet, they deserve a marked grave... I believe that
>>> everyone deserves a marked grave, even a serial killer, so at least
>>> everyone will know where to defecate on their head. Cremation and
>>> scattering ashes is saying one never existed because their life wasn't
>>> worth a shit. I don't visit my parent's grave anymore because it's
>>> too far but I have photographs of their memorial stone, every so often
>>> I spend a moment looking at them as a reminder that they existed. And
>>> just because I don't visit doesn't mean no one else does. On the
>>> property right across the road there's a small family cemetary that
>>> dates back to Revolutionary times, contains maybe 20 head stones,
>>> there are lots of such cemetaries around here. There's a group of
>>> people who clean and maintain these cemetaries, I help pull the weeds
>>> at the one across the road. I very often see people visiting the
>>> plot, probably decendants or people from the historical society,
>>> occasionally I notice that someone planted flowers.
>>
>>Here's how I look at it. First of all there's the real estate issue.
>>Then I think about the stone and I remember that since the late 1960's
>>EVERY single death in at least the United States is recorded and in a
>>database for perpetuity.
>>
>>So if they want to grieve they can simply look it up online.
>
> Aren't you who just said in your last post that data bases probably
> won't be around in 10-15 years? And there's more than enough real
> estate... not everyone needs to be intered in a fancy schmancy
> cemetery in a big city, in rural areas many still maintain a family
> plot on their own property... most folks here bury their pets in a
> marked grave on their property, or some farmer will, been doing that
> for hundreds of years. I have several marked graves for pets on my
> property, three I buried myself for neighbors, I'm sure there are many
> I haven't discovered yet.



Not me. My pet was cremated and is in a pretty urn on my fireplace mantle. I
do not visit graves as I've no wish to think of decaying loved ones as I'm
standing there. I can't imagine not being cremated, but to each their own.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 23:07:57 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> Yes! I like ... hmmm was it notbob who had ferrets?
>
> Gary has the ferrets, nb has the mother.

Ahh yes! Well I thought that was lovely how he buried them and planted a
tree which he visits.

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"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/16/2013 8:20 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> >I had a cat I really loved for about 12 years. Moved to three towns
>>> >with her. I came home, found her dead and stiff under the kitchen
>>> >table. I wept. Then I put her in a hefty bag and into the dumpster.
>>> >
>>> >I Just didn't love the corpse as much as I did the cat. And no
>>> >sentementality for it either.
>
>> You couldn't afford a $10 shovel and couldn't take 20 minutes to bury
>> a cat... you NEVER loved that cat... you're a lying creep.
>
>
> Yep. I could never be that disrespectful to the memory of a pet I loved
> in life.
>
> I know where every cat, dog, bird and goldfish that I ever owned is buried
> and I buried them myself... a final act of love, affection, respect and
> thanks for making my life better while they were with me.

I'm with you there, George.

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In article <2013081616440689907-xxx@yyyzzz>, says...
>
> On 2013-08-16 22:59:15 +0000, T said:
>
> > Here's how I look at it. First of all there's the real estate issue.
> > Then I think about the stone and I remember that since the late 1960's
> > EVERY single death in at least the United States is recorded and in a
> > database for perpetuity.
>
> Not that I care either way, but don't you think a block of grante might
> last longer than a "perpetual database". Having been a database jockey
> for 20+ years, I can assure you that they don't last forever, even if
> they are federal.

Neither do blocks of granite. In a wet windy climate, engraved
memorial identifications erode faster than you might think. There are
graveyards locally with granite headstones hundreds of years old, but
after the first century the older names get very hard to read and
eventually it's just a chunk of stone marking the spot. Wealthier
families sometimes get the earlier, near illegible names on their
family stones re-engraved when the new ones are added.

Some time in the overcrowded-planet's future I reckon most records
and graves will just be a hologram. You'll be able to summon up the
hologram records and a hologram of your family gravestone.. before it
was recycled to build the underground shelters.

Janet UK

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
> in rural areas many still maintain a family
> plot on their own property... most folks here bury their pets in a
> marked grave on their property, or some farmer will, been doing that
> for hundreds of years. I have several marked graves for pets on my
> property, three I buried myself for neighbors, I'm sure there are many
> I haven't discovered yet.

When we sold our last place we inserted an abiding instruction into
the legal missives, marking our dogs graveyard so that subsequent owners
could leave it undisturbed. And, we buried the dogs deep.

In the 20 years we lived there, when planting trees I had twice dug up
dog skeletons buried close to the surface. One turned out to be only
about 10 years old ( neighbours pet buried when the land belonged to
him) but the other was something huge like a Great Dane; it had not
belonged to the previous two occupants before us; so it must have been
there at least 50 years.

All our dead cats have been buried with a rose planted on top.

Janet UK
>

On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:12:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:



>
> Neither do blocks of granite. In a wet windy climate, engraved
>memorial identifications erode faster than you might think. There are
>graveyards locally with granite headstones hundreds of years old, but
>after the first century the older names get very hard to read and
>eventually it's just a chunk of stone marking the spot. Wealthier
>families sometimes get the earlier, near illegible names on their
>family stones re-engraved when the new ones are added.

We have a very small cemetery in town that had unmarked stones, sort
of like an unlisted phone number. Very exclusive, no two stones
alike.

My wife tried telling me they sell the stones there, but I know
better!

On 8/17/2013 1:15 AM, Cheri wrote:

> Not me. My pet was cremated and is in a pretty urn on my fireplace
> mantle. I do not visit graves as I've no wish to think of decaying loved
> ones as I'm standing there. I can't imagine not being cremated, but to
> each their own.

My inlaws were cremated and their ashes buried in a memorial garden
with a plaque. Just because you're cremated doesn't mean you can't
have a burial site or even a headstone if you like.

nancy

Ophelia wrote:
> >> Yes! I like ... hmmm was it notbob who had ferrets?
>
> "sf" wrote:
> > Gary has the ferrets, nb has the mother.

> > "Ophelia" wrote:
> Ahh yes! Well I thought that was lovely how he buried them and planted a
> tree which he visits.

My ferrets are buried deep in the forest of a State Park. Not legal
to bury them there but it's a place where they won't be dug up ever.
That's why I chose the place.

http://i43.tinypic.com/157iuyc.jpg - as you can see here, this is such
a cool place. It's on the top of a ridge. You can see how the ground
drops off and also the fog in the distance. The bubbles you see on the
top of the pic is rain drops falling that morning.

The yellow marker in the middle of the pic is where they are buried.
No tree in this pic as it was the first burial.

I visit them every Christmas Eve. It's a tradition for me. I also
visit there other times if I'm working nearby and will spend my lunch
time there.

It's such a beautiful clearing in the forest. I'd love to be buried
there too, right next to my girls. :-D

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>> >> Yes! I like ... hmmm was it notbob who had ferrets?
>>
>> "sf" wrote:
>> > Gary has the ferrets, nb has the mother.
>
>> > "Ophelia" wrote:
>> Ahh yes! Well I thought that was lovely how he buried them and planted a
>> tree which he visits.
>
> My ferrets are buried deep in the forest of a State Park. Not legal
> to bury them there but it's a place where they won't be dug up ever.
> That's why I chose the place.
>
> http://i43.tinypic.com/157iuyc.jpg - as you can see here, this is such
> a cool place. It's on the top of a ridge. You can see how the ground
> drops off and also the fog in the distance. The bubbles you see on the
> top of the pic is rain drops falling that morning.
>
> The yellow marker in the middle of the pic is where they are buried.
> No tree in this pic as it was the first burial.
>
> I visit them every Christmas Eve. It's a tradition for me. I also
> visit there other times if I'm working nearby and will spend my lunch
> time there.
>
> It's such a beautiful clearing in the forest. I'd love to be buried
> there too, right next to my girls. :-D

After you are gone could you not be cremated and have your ashes scattered
in that spot?
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On 8/17/2013 8:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:12:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>> Neither do blocks of granite. In a wet windy climate, engraved
>> memorial identifications erode faster than you might think. There are
>> graveyards locally with granite headstones hundreds of years old, but
>> after the first century the older names get very hard to read and
>> eventually it's just a chunk of stone marking the spot. Wealthier
>> families sometimes get the earlier, near illegible names on their
>> family stones re-engraved when the new ones are added.
>
> We have a very small cemetery in town that had unmarked stones, sort
> of like an unlisted phone number. Very exclusive, no two stones
> alike.
>
> My wife tried telling me they sell the stones there, but I know
> better!

(laughing) And the stones are all close together? Weird.

nancy

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> > It's such a beautiful clearing in the forest. I'd love to be buried
> > there too, right next to my girls. :-D
>
> After you are gone could you not be cremated and have your ashes scattered
> in that spot?

That is my wish and daughter knows it. She also knows how to find the
place. She went with me the first time. :-D

G.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 22:15:47 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:59:15 -0400, T >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article >, gravesend10
says...
>>>>
>>>> "Jean B." wrote:
>>>> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> >> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Nowadays lot's of folks opt for composite granite headstones, they
>>>> >>> cost a lot less than natural granite.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Better yet is cremation and scatter the ashes. I've never been one to
>>>> >> visit graves so that way my kids won't feel guilty for not visiting
>>>> >> my
>>>> >> grave either.
>>>> >
>>>> >I'd like a green burial, so my components feed the flora and
>>>> >fauna. I would also like my name etc. carved into a rock that is
>>>> >left at the site. Period. I just hope there are green burials in
>>>> >Massachusetts when the time comes.
>>>>
>>>> What's not green about burial in a wooden box and a rock to mark the
>>>> spot? Cremation is not green, all that energy wasted to do exactly
>>>> what nature will accomplish for free in the ground. My feeling is
>>>> that one must be very angry at their family/friends and very
>>>> dissatisfied with how they lived their life to opt for cremation and
>>>> scattered ashes, by depriving them of the opportunity to visit their
>>>> grave in rememberance, respect, and soul cleansing... I've given this
>>>> a lot of profound thought... cremation is literally the cowardly way
>>>> out, cremation translates to a big **** Yoose All after the fact. I
>>>> wouldn't cremate a pet, they deserve a marked grave... I believe that
>>>> everyone deserves a marked grave, even a serial killer, so at least
>>>> everyone will know where to defecate on their head. Cremation and
>>>> scattering ashes is saying one never existed because their life wasn't
>>>> worth a shit. I don't visit my parent's grave anymore because it's
>>>> too far but I have photographs of their memorial stone, every so often
>>>> I spend a moment looking at them as a reminder that they existed. And
>>>> just because I don't visit doesn't mean no one else does. On the
>>>> property right across the road there's a small family cemetary that
>>>> dates back to Revolutionary times, contains maybe 20 head stones,
>>>> there are lots of such cemetaries around here. There's a group of
>>>> people who clean and maintain these cemetaries, I help pull the weeds
>>>> at the one across the road. I very often see people visiting the
>>>> plot, probably decendants or people from the historical society,
>>>> occasionally I notice that someone planted flowers.
>>>
>>>Here's how I look at it. First of all there's the real estate issue.
>>>Then I think about the stone and I remember that since the late 1960's
>>>EVERY single death in at least the United States is recorded and in a
>>>database for perpetuity.
>>>
>>>So if they want to grieve they can simply look it up online.
>>
>> Aren't you who just said in your last post that data bases probably
>> won't be around in 10-15 years? And there's more than enough real
>> estate... not everyone needs to be intered in a fancy schmancy
>> cemetery in a big city, in rural areas many still maintain a family
>> plot on their own property... most folks here bury their pets in a
>> marked grave on their property, or some farmer will, been doing that
>> for hundreds of years. I have several marked graves for pets on my
>> property, three I buried myself for neighbors, I'm sure there are many
>> I haven't discovered yet.
>
>
>
>Not me. My pet was cremated and is in a pretty urn on my fireplace mantle. I
>do not visit graves as I've no wish to think of decaying loved ones as I'm
>standing there. I can't imagine not being cremated, but to each their own.
>
>Cheri

Have you considered taxidermy?

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:24:45 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Gary" > wrote in message
...
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>> >> Yes! I like ... hmmm was it notbob who had ferrets?
>>>>
>>>> "sf" wrote:
>>>> > Gary has the ferrets, nb has the mother.
>>>
>>>> > "Ophelia" wrote:
>>>> Ahh yes! Well I thought that was lovely how he buried them and planted
>>>> a
>>>> tree which he visits.
>>>
>>> My ferrets are buried deep in the forest of a State Park. Not legal
>>> to bury them there but it's a place where they won't be dug up ever.
>>> That's why I chose the place.
>>>
>>> http://i43.tinypic.com/157iuyc.jpg - as you can see here, this is such
>>> a cool place. It's on the top of a ridge. You can see how the ground
>>> drops off and also the fog in the distance. The bubbles you see on the
>>> top of the pic is rain drops falling that morning.
>>>
>>> The yellow marker in the middle of the pic is where they are buried.
>>> No tree in this pic as it was the first burial.
>>>
>>> I visit them every Christmas Eve. It's a tradition for me. I also
>>> visit there other times if I'm working nearby and will spend my lunch
>>> time there.
>>>
>>> It's such a beautiful clearing in the forest. I'd love to be buried
>>> there too, right next to my girls. :-D
>>
>>After you are gone could you not be cremated and have your ashes scattered
>>in that spot?
>>--
> Only takes a friend who knows where you want to go - not supposed to
> do that here but many people do. I sometimes pass the garden where
> two friends lived, both are beneath the rose tree which is still
> there. I have wondered if the owners notice that sometimes people
> like me stop, look over the face, then move on.



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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" wrote:
>> > It's such a beautiful clearing in the forest. I'd love to be buried
>> > there too, right next to my girls. :-D
>>
>> After you are gone could you not be cremated and have your ashes
>> scattered
>> in that spot?
>
> That is my wish and daughter knows it. She also knows how to find the
> place. She went with me the first time. :-D

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On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:12:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article <2013081616440689907-xxx@yyyzzz>, says...
>>
>> On 2013-08-16 22:59:15 +0000, T said:
>>
>> > Here's how I look at it. First of all there's the real estate issue.
>> > Then I think about the stone and I remember that since the late 1960's
>> > EVERY single death in at least the United States is recorded and in a
>> > database for perpetuity.
>>
>> Not that I care either way, but don't you think a block of grante might
>> last longer than a "perpetual database". Having been a database jockey
>> for 20+ years, I can assure you that they don't last forever, even if
>> they are federal.
>
> Neither do blocks of granite. In a wet windy climate, engraved
>memorial identifications erode faster than you might think. There are
>graveyards locally with granite headstones hundreds of years old, but
>after the first century the older names get very hard to read and
>eventually it's just a chunk of stone marking the spot. Wealthier
>families sometimes get the earlier, near illegible names on their
>family stones re-engraved when the new ones are added.
>
> Some time in the overcrowded-planet's future I reckon most records
>and graves will just be a hologram. You'll be able to summon up the
>hologram records and a hologram of your family gravestone.. before it
>was recycled to build the underground shelters.
>
> Janet UK

That was long ago. Nowadays grave markers are engraved far deeper so
will be legible for many hundreds of years. But it matters not, after
a few hundred years no one will be around who cares about ordinary
folks. Marked graves are really for those who are young enough to
remember the departed.

On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:39:23 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, gravesend10
says...
>> in rural areas many still maintain a family
>> plot on their own property... most folks here bury their pets in a
>> marked grave on their property, or some farmer will, been doing that
>> for hundreds of years. I have several marked graves for pets on my
>> property, three I buried myself for neighbors, I'm sure there are many
>> I haven't discovered yet.
>
> When we sold our last place we inserted an abiding instruction into
>the legal missives, marking our dogs graveyard so that subsequent owners
>could leave it undisturbed. And, we buried the dogs deep.
>
> In the 20 years we lived there, when planting trees I had twice dug up
>dog skeletons buried close to the surface. One turned out to be only
>about 10 years old ( neighbours pet buried when the land belonged to
>him) but the other was something huge like a Great Dane; it had not
>belonged to the previous two occupants before us; so it must have been
>there at least 50 years.
>
> All our dead cats have been buried with a rose planted on top.
>
> Janet UK


Digging up a large skeleton is probably wild life, and people in rural
areas still bury dead livestock that were brought down by preditors
and for whatever reason left to rot or those that just died from
natural causes... the skeleton you found could have been a goat, sheep
or pig, could even be a fawn. At the end of winter after the snow
melts I usually find a few dead large critters on my lawn, actually
the stench finds me. So far I've been lucky, the turkey buzzards and
other carrion eaters have dispatched the thawed carcasses within 24
hours. Pets are typically buried in a spot where it's highly unlikely
to be dug up, typically in a hedgerow/rock wall at a property
boundary. I've already buried other peoples pets in one of my
hedgerows, people who live in town on a city lot don't always have a
place to bury a pet... my last tenant buried her pet rabbit in that
hedgerow, whenever I mow I stop for a few minutes to pluck the weeds
from around the marker, I've added a few more stones too... I've no
idea if Julie ever returns to visit her rabbit but she is welcome to.
I already cleared a prime spot in that hedgerow and planted a few
trees that I can see from my window, my cats are getting old,
eventually that'll be their resting place. My next door neighbor made
a clearing at the property line in the woods behind his house, he's
buried many of his family's pets there... I see him head out there
occasionally and stay a brief time, I know he keeps a good stash of
Johnny Walker Black out there. I think most of my neighbors bury
their pets on their property.
Julie's rabbit - RIP:
http://i40.tinypic.com/2jb9qup.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/303irra.jpg

My impression of granite is that it's cold, dark, and somber looking and usually not colors I like in a kitchen. I know it's the 'thing' to have now and all the trend followers want it, regardless of price. I guess it's akin to designer bags. I understand that it takes a special cleaner or polisher or sumthin.

Granite is fine - in the cemetery. Sour grapes, if you like, but gimme my Formica which I can't seem to damage nohow. There IS one lighter streak on the counter - some food item must have bleaching capabilities but I can't determine what food that might be.