In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >>
> >> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
> >> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
> >> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
> >> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
> >> breast feeding but I held my tongue
> >
> > I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most nourishing
> >and safest way
> >
> >--
>
>
> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.

I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
breastfeed adopted infants.

http://breast-feeding.adoption.com/

Induced lactation is not new, it's been going on for centuries.

Janet UK

Janet.

In article >, says...
>
> On 10-Aug-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>
> > On 8/10/2013 7:21 AM, Yellow wrote:
> > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
> >
> > A kettle is not required to boil water.
> >
> > Jill
>
> And - tea is not required to sustain life, or even to enjoy life.

oh yes it is :-)

Janet UK

In article >,
says...

> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.

190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
water dispensers are no good for making tea.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> Yellow wrote:
> >
> > In article om>,
> > says...
> > >
> > > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> > > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
> > > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> > > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
> > > coffee a while ago.
> > >
> > > It's this model:
> > > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
> > >
> > > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
> > > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
> > > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
> >
> > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>
> Most of us heat our cup of water in the microwave in about a minute and
> a half. Some of us have "instant" hot water dispensers at our sinks so
> we can fill the cup with near boiling water in about two seconds. In
> years past it was common to have a water kettle you'd put on your stove
> (hob) to heat, but those have largely fallen from favor.

I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V. It
makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water so
> fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> small.

You either boil small amounts, have a clock made by Salvador Dali or have it
plugged in to a 240V supply!
I've yet to find such a fast kettle in N.America as the max size of the
element is only 1.5Kw whereas in the UK it's double that.
Graham

Janet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
>
> > Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
> > the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
> > water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
>
> 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
> water dispensers are no good for making tea.
>
> Janet UK
>
>

They're adjustable, the more expensive ones do 200F (and have more
safeties).

In article >,
Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:00:05 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> >How much tea do you drink each morning? My microwave heats my coffee
> >water in 1:35. Those electric kettles are great if you need a large
> >amount of hot water for tea for a group, or for various cooking needs,
> >but aren't real efficient for a cup or two.
>
> Maybe it is just me, but the microwaved water seems to affect the
> taste of the tea, but I cannot imagine why it would. Maybe because
> the teas is put into the heated water instead of the water poured over
> the tea.

Dissolved air or lack of. Ever see or see pictures of some
north African pouring tea from two feet up? Aerates it.

--
Michael Press

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:36:59 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>
>> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
>> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
>> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
>
> 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
>water dispensers are no good for making tea.
>
> Janet UK

Depends on the tea.
When I make tea (every day) I stop heating the water before it boils.
Most black teas brew best at about 205, many are better at lower
temperatures. I drink various Ceylon loose teas, but the typical
bags can take a bit more heat.

As always, it is subject to taste, but here is a guide
http://www.chefschoice.com/tips_m688.html

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:30:58 +0100, Janet > wrote:



>> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>
> I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
>breastfeed adopted infants.
>
> http://breast-feeding.adoption.com/
>
> Induced lactation is not new, it's been going on for centuries.
>
> Janet UK
>
> Janet.

But it is not 100% either.

> wrote in message
news
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 15:35:26 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>>>--
>>> Me too, I bf all three, the price greatly appealed to my Scottish
>>> blood
>>
>>Guid lassie, so did I mine and my daughter hers too)
>>
>>--
> I think it is monkey see, monkey do, my grandchildren and my
> g-grandchildren are all bf. Even surprisingly, my DIL breast fed her
> daughter although she wasn't going to.

It's catching) I suppose it feels natural if they see those around them
doing so

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"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>> >> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>> >> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>> >> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>> >> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>> >
>> > I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most
>> >nourishing
>> >and safest way
>> >
>> >--
>>
>>
>> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>
> I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
> breastfeed adopted infants.

Did you?
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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:02:11 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>>>> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>>>> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>>>> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>>>> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>>>
>>> I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most
>>>nourishing
>>>and safest way
>>>
>>>--
>>
>>
>>Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>
> Well in actual fact there is a hormonal treatment that can be given if
> an adoptive mum wants to breast feed, not sure that's desirable, but
> it can be done.

Yes it can, but as you say, I wouldn't like to have that treatment.

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In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:30:58 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
> >
> > I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
> >breastfeed adopted infants.
> >
> > http://breast-feeding.adoption.com/
> >
> > Induced lactation is not new, it's been going on for centuries.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> > Janet.
>
> But it is not 100% either.

Well under 100% of birth mothers breast feed.

Janet

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:30:58 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>> >
>> > I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
>> >breastfeed adopted infants.
>> >
>> > http://breast-feeding.adoption.com/
>> >
>> > Induced lactation is not new, it's been going on for centuries.
>> >
>> > Janet UK
>> >
>> > Janet.
>>
>> But it is not 100% either.
>
> Well under 100% of birth mothers breast feed.



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On 8/10/2013 1:36 PM, Pete C. wrote:

> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.

I'm familiar with those, but it will cost me a lot more to have that
installed than just use an electric kettle. What a silly argument.

--
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On 8/10/2013 12:35 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> On Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:03:45 AM UTC-4, sf wrote: I'm thinking about getting electric kettles for my
>>
>> kids who live where it's much warmer in the summer (but no air
>>
>> conditioning) and would appreciate it... especially the one that makes
>>
>> French press coffee every morning. The other one has a drip coffee
>>
>> maker.
>
> I heat my French press water in a 2 cup Pyrex msrng cup in the mike. I only use the kettle when I want a lot of boiling water AND get some moisture into the air. Does the kid have ample storage room for a kettle?
>
Ample room? It has a footprint of about 8" in diameter.

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In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:21:41 +0100, Yellow > wrote:
>
> >In article om>,
> says...
> >>
> >> Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> >> one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
> >> so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> >> small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
> >> coffee a while ago.
> >>
> >> It's this model:
> >> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
> >>
> >> I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
> >> and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
> >> customer reviews, but I took a chance.
> >
> >Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>
> Finally a stupid question... one can boil water in any pot, even in a
> tin can.

Do you prefer your tin can over an open fire or do you use an indoor
candle?

In article >, says...
>
> On 10-Aug-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>
> > On 8/10/2013 7:21 AM, Yellow wrote:
> > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
> >
> > A kettle is not required to boil water.
> >
> > Jill
>
> And - tea is not required to sustain life, or even to enjoy life.

If you believe that, you are probably not making the tea correctly.

For black tea, the water needs to be fresh and boiling and if you like
it white, you need milk, not cream.

In article >,
says...
>
> Cheryl wrote:
> >
> > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
> > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
> > coffee a while ago.
> >
> > It's this model:
> > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
> >
> > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
> > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
> > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
> >
>
> How much tea do you drink each morning? My microwave heats my coffee
> water in 1:35. Those electric kettles are great if you need a large
> amount of hot water for tea for a group, or for various cooking needs,
> but aren't real efficient for a cup or two.

An electric kettle is the single most efficient way to boil water on the
simple condition that you only boil what you need. And that is true even
if you only need a cup or two.

"Yellow" > wrote in message
T...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> Cheryl wrote:
>> >
>> > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been
>> > wanting
>> > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
>> > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is
>> > fairly
>> > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
>> > coffee a while ago.
>> >
>> > It's this model:
>> > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
>> >
>> > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
>> > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
>> > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
>> >
>>
>> How much tea do you drink each morning? My microwave heats my coffee
>> water in 1:35. Those electric kettles are great if you need a large
>> amount of hot water for tea for a group, or for various cooking needs,
>> but aren't real efficient for a cup or two.
>
> An electric kettle is the single most efficient way to boil water on the
> simple condition that you only boil what you need. And that is true even
> if you only need a cup or two.

Yes, I agree. I put in only what I want at that time.

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Yellow wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > Yellow wrote:
> > >
> > > In article om>,
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> > > > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
> > > > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> > > > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
> > > > coffee a while ago.
> > > >
> > > > It's this model:
> > > > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
> > > >
> > > > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
> > > > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
> > > > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
> > >
> > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
> >
> > Most of us heat our cup of water in the microwave in about a minute and
> > a half. Some of us have "instant" hot water dispensers at our sinks so
> > we can fill the cup with near boiling water in about two seconds. In
> > years past it was common to have a water kettle you'd put on your stove
> > (hob) to heat, but those have largely fallen from favor.
>
> I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V.

I'm not sure why there is always this misunderstanding. In the US we
have 120/240V as our normal residential service, while out general
purpose outlets are typically 20A 120V, 240V circuits are very common
for larger appliances.

> It makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
> every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.

Send me a 240V UK kettle, and I'll have a 240V receptacle in place for
it with about 30 minutes of work.

wrote:
>
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:40:12 +0100, Yellow > wrote:
> >
> >I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V. It
> >makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
> >every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.
>
> Why ? Mine here does everything the one my friend in the UK does.

Available Wattage. UK has 16A 240V as their general purpose circuits.
The US has 15A or 20A 120V as general purpose circuits. More Wattage =
more power available for faster heating, though efficiency remains the
same. What the folks in the UK don't seem to understand is that we have
plenty of 240V circuits in the US as well, just not as our general
purpose ones.

15A @ 120V = 1,800W
20A @ 120V = 2,400W
16A @ 240V = 3,840W

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 15:57:09 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 8/10/2013 12:35 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:03:45 AM UTC-4, sf wrote: I'm thinking about getting electric kettles for my
> >>
> >> kids who live where it's much warmer in the summer (but no air
> >>
> >> conditioning) and would appreciate it... especially the one that makes
> >>
> >> French press coffee every morning. The other one has a drip coffee
> >>
> >> maker.
> >
> > I heat my French press water in a 2 cup Pyrex msrng cup in the mike. I only use the kettle when I want a lot of boiling water AND get some moisture into the air. Does the kid have ample storage room for a kettle?
> >
> Ample room? It has a footprint of about 8" in diameter.

I like that size, but it would be like an iceberg in their tiny
kitchen pond. Counter space is at a premium at their house. As I
said in another post, they don't have room for a microwave of any size
- not even room for a toaster.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 8/10/2013 4:18 PM, Yellow wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On 10-Aug-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/10/2013 7:21 AM, Yellow wrote:
>>>> Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>>>
>>> A kettle is not required to boil water.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> And - tea is not required to sustain life, or even to enjoy life.
>
> If you believe that, you are probably not making the tea correctly.
>
> For black tea, the water needs to be fresh and boiling and if you like
> it white, you need milk, not cream.
>
So, are you a MIF? You still don't need a kettle to boil water. I do
hope Cheryl enjoys her new electric kettle. The one I have heats on the
stovetop and whistles when the water is ready.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I do
> hope Cheryl enjoys her new electric kettle. The one I have heats on the
> stovetop and whistles when the water is ready.

The revereware kettle, by any chance?
I used to have one of those.

G.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:49:22 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/10/2013 4:18 PM, Yellow wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> On 10-Aug-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/10/2013 7:21 AM, Yellow wrote:
>>>>> Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>>>>
>>>> A kettle is not required to boil water.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> And - tea is not required to sustain life, or even to enjoy life.
>>
>> If you believe that, you are probably not making the tea correctly.
>>
>> For black tea, the water needs to be fresh and boiling and if you like
>> it white, you need milk, not cream.
>>
>So, are you a MIF?

I had to re-read that... at first I thought you were asking if they
were a MILF...

On 8/10/2013 8:53 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I do
>> hope Cheryl enjoys her new electric kettle. The one I have heats on the
>> stovetop and whistles when the water is ready.
>
> The revereware kettle, by any chance?
> I used to have one of those.
>
> G.
>
Exactamundo! Circa the 1950's.

Jill

On 8/10/2013 8:54 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:49:22 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/10/2013 4:18 PM, Yellow wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>> On 10-Aug-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/10/2013 7:21 AM, Yellow wrote:
>>>>>> Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>>>>>
>>>>> A kettle is not required to boil water.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> And - tea is not required to sustain life, or even to enjoy life.
>>>
>>> If you believe that, you are probably not making the tea correctly.
>>>
>>> For black tea, the water needs to be fresh and boiling and if you like
>>> it white, you need milk, not cream.
>>>
>> So, are you a MIF?
>
> I had to re-read that... at first I thought you were asking if they
> were a MILF...
>
No, I meant Milk In First. As in tea...

Jill

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:34:28 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/10/2013 8:54 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:49:22 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/10/2013 4:18 PM, Yellow wrote:
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10-Aug-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/10/2013 7:21 AM, Yellow wrote:
>>>>>>> Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A kettle is not required to boil water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>> And - tea is not required to sustain life, or even to enjoy life.
>>>>
>>>> If you believe that, you are probably not making the tea correctly.
>>>>
>>>> For black tea, the water needs to be fresh and boiling and if you like
>>>> it white, you need milk, not cream.
>>>>
>>> So, are you a MIF?
>>
>> I had to re-read that... at first I thought you were asking if they
>> were a MILF...
>>
>No, I meant Milk In First. As in tea...

Thanks. I had a big night...

wrote:
>
>I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>breast feeding but I held my tongue

I'm holding my tongue too.

On 8/10/2013 4:21 PM, Yellow wrote:

>
> An electric kettle is the single most efficient way to boil water on the
> simple condition that you only boil what you need. And that is true even
> if you only need a cup or two.
>

How much more efficient than a microwave?

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:04:59 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 8/10/2013 9:45 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:55:43 AM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
>>> Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
>>>
>>> one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
>>>
>>> so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
>>>
>>> small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
>>>
>>> coffee a while ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's this model:
>>>
>>> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
>>
>>
>> a. Made in China?
>>
>> b . Have you tested it against just a pan of water on the stove or in the mike?
>>
>> Is time so precious that an extra minute will matter much?
>>
>Yes, actually. But it isn't about a minute. It's a full kettle for
>whatever I need scalding hot water for. I think it's a good idea to have.

The most advantageous feature of electric tea kettles is that they are
thermostastically controlled, they bring water exactly to the boil
with no guesswork (no nuker timer to futz with) and shut off... so if
you happen to walk away to do something else and become distracted you
don't burn a pot on the stovetop. And a microwave is good for
rewarming a hot beverage but it's the most inaccurate method to boil a
mug of water and is highly unsafe... eventually one will meet up with
a mug of water that nucleates and sends one to the burn unit. A
thermostatically controlled electric tea kettle produces the desired
amount of water brought precisely to the boil in a short amount of
time, and safely.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:07:29 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/10/2013 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:00:05 -0500, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> How much tea do you drink each morning? My microwave heats my coffee
>>> water in 1:35. Those electric kettles are great if you need a large
>>> amount of hot water for tea for a group, or for various cooking needs,
>>> but aren't real efficient for a cup or two.
>>
>> Maybe it is just me, but the microwaved water seems to affect the
>> taste of the tea, but I cannot imagine why it would. Maybe because
>> the teas is put into the heated water instead of the water poured over
>> the tea.
>>
>Simple solution for that: pour the microwave heated water over the tea.

Microwaved water is heated but rarely (except by pure luck) brought
exactly to the boil... not unless one futzes with resetting the timer
and futzes with a thermometer. I don't brew tea often but when I do I
boil at least twice as much water as will fill the cup(s), the cup(s)
is/are first filled with boiling water to heat the cup, that water is
dumped out and freshly boiled water is used to brew tea... any tea
drinker knows that the cup(s) or teapot is first heated before tea is
actually brewed. Brewing tea in a cold vessel will not produce a
proper tea. Naturally those who are satisfied with pish vasser it
matters not how one prepares tea... at most all restaurants the best
one can hope for is tepid tea... order tea and they bring a cup of
tepid water with a cheapo teabag on the side.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:10:25 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 8/10/2013 4:21 PM, Yellow wrote:
>
> >
> > An electric kettle is the single most efficient way to boil water on the
> > simple condition that you only boil what you need. And that is true even
> > if you only need a cup or two.
> >
>
> How much more efficient than a microwave?

Are microwaves as big a deal in Europe as they are here?

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> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:10:25 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > On 8/10/2013 4:21 PM, Yellow wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > An electric kettle is the single most efficient way to boil water on the
> > > simple condition that you only boil what you need. And that is true even
> > > if you only need a cup or two.
> > >
> >
> > How much more efficient than a microwave?
>
> Are microwaves as big a deal in Europe as they are here?

MW's are very common domestic appliances in UK, though not as
universal as an electric kettle.

Janet UK

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:07:29 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 8/10/2013 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:00:05 -0500, "Pete C." >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> How much tea do you drink each morning? My microwave heats my coffee
>>>> water in 1:35. Those electric kettles are great if you need a large
>>>> amount of hot water for tea for a group, or for various cooking needs,
>>>> but aren't real efficient for a cup or two.
>>>
>>> Maybe it is just me, but the microwaved water seems to affect the
>>> taste of the tea, but I cannot imagine why it would. Maybe because
>>> the teas is put into the heated water instead of the water poured over
>>> the tea.
>>>
>>Simple solution for that: pour the microwave heated water over the tea.
>
> Microwaved water is heated but rarely (except by pure luck) brought
> exactly to the boil... not unless one futzes with resetting the timer
> and futzes with a thermometer. I don't brew tea often but when I do I
> boil at least twice as much water as will fill the cup(s), the cup(s)
> is/are first filled with boiling water to heat the cup, that water is
> dumped out and freshly boiled water is used to brew tea... any tea
> drinker knows that the cup(s) or teapot is first heated before tea is
> actually brewed. Brewing tea in a cold vessel will not produce a
> proper tea. Naturally those who are satisfied with pish vasser it
> matters not how one prepares tea... at most all restaurants the best
> one can hope for is tepid tea... order tea and they bring a cup of
> tepid water with a cheapo teabag on the side.

Blimey! Someone who knows how to make a proper pot of tea)

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> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:58:08 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:10:25 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/10/2013 4:21 PM, Yellow wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > An electric kettle is the single most efficient way to boil water on
>>> > the
>>> > simple condition that you only boil what you need. And that is true
>>> > even
>>> > if you only need a cup or two.
>>> >
>>>
>>> How much more efficient than a microwave?
>>
>>Are microwaves as big a deal in Europe as they are here?
>
>
> My aunt and uncle are in their mid-90's and have a microwave,
> dishwasher, clothes washer, dryer, kettle, and upstairs by the bed, a
> Teas Maid. There is little difference between homes in NA or Europe!

Indeed!

> Oh and they also have (and have had for about ten years) a stair lift.

Not yet for me, but one day maybe ...

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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> Blimey! Someone who knows how to make a proper pot of tea)

I learned as a child how to make proper tea. And I soon learned not to
order it in a restaurant with a few exceptions. There used to be some tea
places in Seattle. Not sure if they are still there. They did it right and
of course the English tea shop that used to be in Edmonds did it right.
One of women that Angela dances with owns a tea shop that we'd like to go to
but it's in some other city, not anywhere near here and we have no need to
go there otherwise so we probably won't go. Those sorts of places do good
tea. But your standard restaurant? Even if they do have better quality tea
bags or a better selection, the water will not be hot enough. And of course
it will always be tea bags and never the loose kind. Oh! The Chinese
places have good tea too. Have never gotten bad tea there.

I kind of stopped drinking much tea because my good pump pot broke. It was
quite old. It worked so well that I could make a pot of tea in the evening
and by morning there would still be enough hot tea in there for a cup or
two. It was quite large.

I got an insulated carafe after that. It works well but it's small and only
holds about 4 cups of tea. Which is okay some times but I usually like to
make quite a lot at a time.

Angela bought me a pump pot that wasn't cheap. But it was the only one she
could find. It's no good at all! Although it holds a lot, it does not
retain the heat, even when you fill it with hot water first and let it sit.
By two hours after you've made the tea it is barely more than room temp.
Must look at the restaurant supply place and see if they have any good pump
pots or larger carafes.

> wrote in message
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> My aunt and uncle are in their mid-90's and have a microwave,
> dishwasher, clothes washer, dryer, kettle, and upstairs by the bed, a
> Teas Maid. There is little difference between homes in NA or Europe!
>
> Oh and they also have (and have had for about ten years) a stair lift.

I don't know about that! In this area, coffee is the big drink. And if a
person does have tea, it's usually a bubble tea. I have one friend who is a
tea drinker and I bought her an electric kettle. She had never heard of
them. She boiled her kettle dry then began using pans to heat the water,
boiling them dry too. She's elderly and getting a bit forgetful. She loves
the electric kettle because if she forgets about it (which she often does),
it will just shut off and not boil dry. Of course when she does this, she
has to start all over again but I suppose that is better than wrecking all
of her pans.

I don't know anyone else who has an electric kettle and only two other tea
drinkers. One drinks only iced tea and buys it already brewed. The other
just buys it at Starbucks.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Blimey! Someone who knows how to make a proper pot of tea)
>
> I learned as a child how to make proper tea. And I soon learned not to
> order it in a restaurant with a few exceptions.

Cool BTW I wasn't have a pop at USians, not many Brits seem to do it
properly any more either

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