On 8/10/2013 7:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> It sounds odd to me! Electric kettles have been ubiquitous here for
> decades. It sounds very strange to hear them talked about as something
> unusual. We do have a gas kettle but it is only used if something
> happens to the electricity
>
Out power was out for nearly a week last year, so I dug out my ancient
non-electric kettle. It hadn't been used in years - what I didn't know,
was that it had been oxidising, and when I put it on the hob, a teensy
pinhole leak put out the gas...fortunately I noticed before anything
dreadful could happen.

We now have a new kettle for emergency use.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
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> On 8/10/2013 7:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> It sounds odd to me! Electric kettles have been ubiquitous here for
>> decades. It sounds very strange to hear them talked about as something
>> unusual. We do have a gas kettle but it is only used if something
>> happens to the electricity
>>
> Out power was out for nearly a week last year, so I dug out my ancient
> non-electric kettle. It hadn't been used in years - what I didn't know,
> was that it had been oxidising, and when I put it on the hob, a teensy
> pinhole leak put out the gas...fortunately I noticed before anything
> dreadful could happen.

Oh((( Dangerous!

> We now have a new kettle for emergency use.

Hmm I will get Himself to check ours out! Thanks!

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> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:02:11 -0400, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>>On 8/10/2013 7:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> It sounds odd to me! Electric kettles have been ubiquitous here for
>>> decades. It sounds very strange to hear them talked about as something
>>> unusual. We do have a gas kettle but it is only used if something
>>> happens to the electricity
>>>
>>Out power was out for nearly a week last year, so I dug out my ancient
>>non-electric kettle. It hadn't been used in years - what I didn't know,
>>was that it had been oxidising, and when I put it on the hob, a teensy
>>pinhole leak put out the gas...fortunately I noticed before anything
>>dreadful could happen.
>>
>>We now have a new kettle for emergency use.
>
> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
> breast feeding but I held my tongue

I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most nourishing
and safest way

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:



>>
>> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>
> I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most nourishing
>and safest way
>
>--


Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >>
> >> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
> >> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
> >> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
> >> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
> >> breast feeding but I held my tongue
> >
> > I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most nourishing
> >and safest way
> >
> >--
>
>
> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.

I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
breastfeed adopted infants.

http://breast-feeding.adoption.com/

Induced lactation is not new, it's been going on for centuries.

Janet UK

Janet.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:30:58 +0100, Janet > wrote:



>> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>
> I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
>breastfeed adopted infants.
>
> http://breast-feeding.adoption.com/
>
> Induced lactation is not new, it's been going on for centuries.
>
> Janet UK
>
> Janet.

But it is not 100% either.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:30:58 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
> >
> > I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
> >breastfeed adopted infants.
> >
> > http://breast-feeding.adoption.com/
> >
> > Induced lactation is not new, it's been going on for centuries.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> > Janet.
>
> But it is not 100% either.

Well under 100% of birth mothers breast feed.

Janet

"Janet" > wrote in message
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> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:30:58 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>> >
>> > I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
>> >breastfeed adopted infants.
>> >
>> > http://breast-feeding.adoption.com/
>> >
>> > Induced lactation is not new, it's been going on for centuries.
>> >
>> > Janet UK
>> >
>> > Janet.
>>
>> But it is not 100% either.
>
> Well under 100% of birth mothers breast feed.



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"Janet" > wrote in message
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> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>> >> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>> >> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>> >> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>> >> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>> >
>> > I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most
>> >nourishing
>> >and safest way
>> >
>> >--
>>
>>
>> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>
> I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
> breastfeed adopted infants.

Did you?
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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:11:12 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:



>> I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
>> breastfeed adopted infants.
>
>Did you?
>--

Both our kids are adopted. Forty years ago though, thee was little
information available. My wife did look into it.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:11:12 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>
>
>>> I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
>>> breastfeed adopted infants.
>>
>>Did you?
>>--
>
> Both our kids are adopted. Forty years ago though, thee was little
> information available. My wife did look into it.

I wasn't asking you dear, I was asking Janet. I suppose as time goes on
more information becomes available and medical knowledge increases. I
wonder what the success rates are.

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:30:58 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>> >> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>> >> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>> >> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>> >> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>> >
>> > I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most nourishing
>> >and safest way
>>
>> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>
> I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
>breastfeed adopted infants.
>
> http://breast-feeding.adoption.com/
>
> Induced lactation is not new, it's been going on for centuries.

'Zactly! I've heard restaurants in the UK are serving human breast
milk ice cream by the scoop... I'll have a couple of D cups!

> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:02:11 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>>>> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>>>> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>>>> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>>>> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>>>
>>> I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most
>>>nourishing
>>>and safest way
>>>
>>>--
>>
>>
>>Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>
> Well in actual fact there is a hormonal treatment that can be given if
> an adoptive mum wants to breast feed, not sure that's desirable, but
> it can be done.

Yes it can, but as you say, I wouldn't like to have that treatment.

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:00:42 -0300, wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:02:11 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>>>> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>>>> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>>>> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>>>> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>>>
>>> I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most nourishing
>>>and safest way
>>>
>>>--
>>
>>
>>Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>
>Well in actual fact there is a hormonal treatment that can be given if
>an adoptive mum wants to breast feed, not sure that's desirable, but
>it can be done.

With hormonal treatments males can breast feed too... at one time long
long ago they probably did, that's probably why they have nipples.

On 8/10/2013 9:24 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > wrote in message

>> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>
> I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most
> nourishing and safest way
>
I never even considered bottle feeding.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:02:11 -0400, S Viemeister
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/10/2013 7:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> It sounds odd to me! Electric kettles have been ubiquitous here for
>>>> decades. It sounds very strange to hear them talked about as something
>>>> unusual. We do have a gas kettle but it is only used if something
>>>> happens to the electricity
>>>>
>>>Out power was out for nearly a week last year, so I dug out my ancient
>>>non-electric kettle. It hadn't been used in years - what I didn't know,
>>>was that it had been oxidising, and when I put it on the hob, a teensy
>>>pinhole leak put out the gas...fortunately I noticed before anything
>>>dreadful could happen.
>>>
>>>We now have a new kettle for emergency use.
>>
>> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>
> I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most nourishing
>and safest way

For me it was the lazy persons way, as well as all the good reasons!
Breast feed until they are old enough to have cow's milk without
sterilisng bottles.

Mind you, breast feeding can be very difficult at times and some women
can just not produce the amount, or any milk, but every day that you
can is of benefit to the child's immune system.

JB


JB

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"JBurns" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
> wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:02:11 -0400, S Viemeister
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 8/10/2013 7:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It sounds odd to me! Electric kettles have been ubiquitous here for
>>>>> decades. It sounds very strange to hear them talked about as
>>>>> something
>>>>> unusual. We do have a gas kettle but it is only used if something
>>>>> happens to the electricity
>>>>>
>>>>Out power was out for nearly a week last year, so I dug out my ancient
>>>>non-electric kettle. It hadn't been used in years - what I didn't know,
>>>>was that it had been oxidising, and when I put it on the hob, a teensy
>>>>pinhole leak put out the gas...fortunately I noticed before anything
>>>>dreadful could happen.
>>>>
>>>>We now have a new kettle for emergency use.
>>>
>>> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>>> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>>> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>>> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>>> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>>
>> I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most
>>nourishing
>>and safest way
>
> For me it was the lazy persons way, as well as all the good reasons!
> Breast feed until they are old enough to have cow's milk without
> sterilisng bottles.
>
> Mind you, breast feeding can be very difficult at times and some women
> can just not produce the amount, or any milk, but every day that you
> can is of benefit to the child's immune system.

Yes. I feel sorry for people who want to and can't Very important for
the immune system!
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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:07:21 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 01:19:22 +0800, JBurns >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>For me it was the lazy persons way, as well as all the good reasons!
>>Breast feed until they are old enough to have cow's milk without
>>sterilisng bottles.
>>
>>Mind you, breast feeding can be very difficult at times and some women
>>can just not produce the amount, or any milk, but every day that you
>>can is of benefit to the child's immune system.
>>
>>JB
>
>Definitely lazy at 2a.m. to have it on tap

Many nursing mothers express milk into bottles and store it in the
fridge to use at those inconvenient times... what do you think breast
pumps are for?

>Yes, there are a few
>people who cannot, in the old days that was the idea behind wet
>nurses.

What old days... there are still wet nurses, more than ever .

> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
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>>
>>
> wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:02:11 -0400, S Viemeister
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 8/10/2013 7:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It sounds odd to me! Electric kettles have been ubiquitous here for
>>>>> decades. It sounds very strange to hear them talked about as
>>>>> something
>>>>> unusual. We do have a gas kettle but it is only used if something
>>>>> happens to the electricity
>>>>>
>>>>Out power was out for nearly a week last year, so I dug out my ancient
>>>>non-electric kettle. It hadn't been used in years - what I didn't know,
>>>>was that it had been oxidising, and when I put it on the hob, a teensy
>>>>pinhole leak put out the gas...fortunately I noticed before anything
>>>>dreadful could happen.
>>>>
>>>>We now have a new kettle for emergency use.
>>>
>>> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>>> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>>> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>>> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>>> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>>
>> I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most
>>nourishing
>>and safest way
>>
>>--
> Me too, I bf all three, the price greatly appealed to my Scottish
> blood

Guid lassie, so did I mine and my daughter hers too)

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> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 15:35:26 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
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>
>>>>--
>>> Me too, I bf all three, the price greatly appealed to my Scottish
>>> blood
>>
>>Guid lassie, so did I mine and my daughter hers too)
>>
>>--
> I think it is monkey see, monkey do, my grandchildren and my
> g-grandchildren are all bf. Even surprisingly, my DIL breast fed her
> daughter although she wasn't going to.

It's catching) I suppose it feels natural if they see those around them
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wrote:
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>I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>breast feeding but I held my tongue

I'm holding my tongue too.