Yellow wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > Yellow wrote:
> > >
> > > In article om>,
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> > > > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
> > > > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> > > > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
> > > > coffee a while ago.
> > > >
> > > > It's this model:
> > > > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
> > > >
> > > > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
> > > > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
> > > > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
> > >
> > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
> >
> > Most of us heat our cup of water in the microwave in about a minute and
> > a half. Some of us have "instant" hot water dispensers at our sinks so
> > we can fill the cup with near boiling water in about two seconds. In
> > years past it was common to have a water kettle you'd put on your stove
> > (hob) to heat, but those have largely fallen from favor.
>
> I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V.

I'm not sure why there is always this misunderstanding. In the US we
have 120/240V as our normal residential service, while out general
purpose outlets are typically 20A 120V, 240V circuits are very common
for larger appliances.

> It makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
> every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.

Send me a 240V UK kettle, and I'll have a 240V receptacle in place for
it with about 30 minutes of work.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:38:57 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>Yellow wrote:
>>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> >
>> > Yellow wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In article om>,
>> > > says...
>> > > >
>> > > > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
>> > > > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
>> > > > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
>> > > > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
>> > > > coffee a while ago.
>> > > >
>> > > > It's this model:
>> > > > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
>> > > >
>> > > > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
>> > > > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
>> > > > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
>> > >
>> > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>> >
>> > Most of us heat our cup of water in the microwave in about a minute and
>> > a half. Some of us have "instant" hot water dispensers at our sinks so
>> > we can fill the cup with near boiling water in about two seconds. In
>> > years past it was common to have a water kettle you'd put on your stove
>> > (hob) to heat, but those have largely fallen from favor.
>>
>> I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V.
>
>I'm not sure why there is always this misunderstanding. In the US we
>have 120/240V as our normal residential service, while out general
>purpose outlets are typically 20A 120V, 240V circuits are very common
>for larger appliances.
>
>> It makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
>> every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.
>
>Send me a 240V UK kettle, and I'll have a 240V receptacle in place for
>it with about 30 minutes of work.

In the US service voltage from the street is 240V, upon entering the
home voltage is split so that most circuits are 120V. 120V is far
safer. In the UK folks are more frugal and wiring the entire
residence for 240V costs less, but not very safe. It's more efficient
to transport electric at higher voltages so that's what's used outside
by the utility companys... much of the high tension wires are at 440V,
and even higher over longer distances, then stepped down at the
service with transformers. Where I live houses are a good distance
apart so every residence has its own step down transformer.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:38:57 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Yellow wrote:
> >>
> >> In article >,
> >> says...
> >> >
> >> > Yellow wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > In article om>,
> >> > > says...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> >> > > > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
> >> > > > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> >> > > > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
> >> > > > coffee a while ago.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It's this model:
> >> > > > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
> >> > > > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
> >> > > > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
> >> > >
> >> > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
> >> >
> >> > Most of us heat our cup of water in the microwave in about a minute and
> >> > a half. Some of us have "instant" hot water dispensers at our sinks so
> >> > we can fill the cup with near boiling water in about two seconds. In
> >> > years past it was common to have a water kettle you'd put on your stove
> >> > (hob) to heat, but those have largely fallen from favor.
> >>
> >> I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V.
> >
> >I'm not sure why there is always this misunderstanding. In the US we
> >have 120/240V as our normal residential service, while out general
> >purpose outlets are typically 20A 120V, 240V circuits are very common
> >for larger appliances.
> >
> >> It makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
> >> every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.
> >
> >Send me a 240V UK kettle, and I'll have a 240V receptacle in place for
> >it with about 30 minutes of work.
>
> In the US service voltage from the street is 240V,

Wrong. It's 120/240V split-phase three wire service from the street.

> upon entering the
> home voltage is split so that most circuits are 120V.

Wrong. See above. Upon entering the home a ground is added and bonded to
the neutral from the street at the service entrance panel.

> 120V is far
> safer.

Wrong. There is no notable difference between 120V and 240V as far as
safety goes. 480V is when things start to get hairy, not from the
voltage itself or need for beefed up insulation, but rather from the
increase in potential arc flash energy available.

> In the UK folks are more frugal and wiring the entire
> residence for 240V costs less, but not very safe.

They use ring mains, enough said about their electrical aptitude...

> It's more efficient
> to transport electric at higher voltages so that's what's used outside
> by the utility companys...

You got that correct at least.

> much of the high tension wires are at 440V,

Nope, none is. They don't use anything under 7,200V for distribution.
480V is only used for industrial and large commercial buildings, and the
480V comes from the transformer at the building which is fed by a much
higher voltage.

> and even higher over longer distances, then stepped down at the
> service with transformers.

Much, much higher over long distanced, as in 500,000V and up. This is
stepped down at substations to street level distribution voltages, in
the 7-35KV or so range. The medium voltage distribution is then stepped
down to low voltage 120/240V or 240/480V by the transformers on the pole
or pad by the buildings.

> Where I live houses are a good distance
> apart so every residence has its own step down transformer.

Yep, they don't do 120/240V feeders on the poles if the houses are more
than 600' apart or so. Around here the houses are far enough apart that
it's either individual transformers or sometimes two houses on one
transformer since the house spacing isn't even.

In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> They use ring mains, enough said about their electrical aptitude...

I had to look up ring mains. That is sick.
Designed by Lucas Electrics?

--
Michael Press

In article >,
says...
>
> Yellow wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > Yellow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article om>,
> > > > says...
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> > > > > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
> > > > > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> > > > > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
> > > > > coffee a while ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's this model:
> > > > > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
> > > > > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
> > > > > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
> > > >
> > > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
> > >
> > > Most of us heat our cup of water in the microwave in about a minute and
> > > a half. Some of us have "instant" hot water dispensers at our sinks so
> > > we can fill the cup with near boiling water in about two seconds. In
> > > years past it was common to have a water kettle you'd put on your stove
> > > (hob) to heat, but those have largely fallen from favor.
> >
> > I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V.
>
> I'm not sure why there is always this misunderstanding. In the US we
> have 120/240V as our normal residential service, while out general
> purpose outlets are typically 20A 120V, 240V circuits are very common
> for larger appliances.
>
> > It makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
> > every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.
>
> Send me a 240V UK kettle, and I'll have a 240V receptacle in place for
> it with about 30 minutes of work.

You sound defensive.

Yellow wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > Yellow wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > Yellow wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article om>,
> > > > > says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> > > > > > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
> > > > > > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> > > > > > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
> > > > > > coffee a while ago.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's this model:
> > > > > > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
> > > > > > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
> > > > > > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
> > > >
> > > > Most of us heat our cup of water in the microwave in about a minute and
> > > > a half. Some of us have "instant" hot water dispensers at our sinks so
> > > > we can fill the cup with near boiling water in about two seconds. In
> > > > years past it was common to have a water kettle you'd put on your stove
> > > > (hob) to heat, but those have largely fallen from favor.
> > >
> > > I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V.
> >
> > I'm not sure why there is always this misunderstanding. In the US we
> > have 120/240V as our normal residential service, while out general
> > purpose outlets are typically 20A 120V, 240V circuits are very common
> > for larger appliances.
> >
> > > It makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
> > > every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.
> >
> > Send me a 240V UK kettle, and I'll have a 240V receptacle in place for
> > it with about 30 minutes of work.
>
> You sound defensive.

Just correcting yet again.

In article >,
says...
>
> Yellow wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > Yellow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article >,
> > > > says...
> > > > >
> > > > > Yellow wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In article om>,
> > > > > > says...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> > > > > > > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
> > > > > > > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> > > > > > > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
> > > > > > > coffee a while ago.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's this model:
> > > > > > > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
> > > > > > > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
> > > > > > > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
> > > > >
> > > > > Most of us heat our cup of water in the microwave in about a minute and
> > > > > a half. Some of us have "instant" hot water dispensers at our sinks so
> > > > > we can fill the cup with near boiling water in about two seconds. In
> > > > > years past it was common to have a water kettle you'd put on your stove
> > > > > (hob) to heat, but those have largely fallen from favor.
> > > >
> > > > I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure why there is always this misunderstanding. In the US we
> > > have 120/240V as our normal residential service, while out general
> > > purpose outlets are typically 20A 120V, 240V circuits are very common
> > > for larger appliances.
> > >
> > > > It makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
> > > > every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.
> > >
> > > Send me a 240V UK kettle, and I'll have a 240V receptacle in place for
> > > it with about 30 minutes of work.
> >
> > You sound defensive.
>
> Just correcting yet again.

Just to be clear, are you offering to install a 240V socket in
everyone's kitchen, or just you own?