"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> My aunt and uncle are in their mid-90's and have a microwave,
>> dishwasher, clothes washer, dryer, kettle, and upstairs by the bed, a
>> Teas Maid. There is little difference between homes in NA or Europe!
>>
>> Oh and they also have (and have had for about ten years) a stair lift.
>
> I don't know about that! In this area, coffee is the big drink. And if a
> person does have tea, it's usually a bubble tea. I have one friend who is
> a tea drinker and I bought her an electric kettle. She had never heard of
> them. She boiled her kettle dry then began using pans to heat the water,
> boiling them dry too. She's elderly and getting a bit forgetful. She
> loves the electric kettle because if she forgets about it (which she often
> does), it will just shut off and not boil dry. Of course when she does
> this, she has to start all over again but I suppose that is better than
> wrecking all of her pans.
>
> I don't know anyone else who has an electric kettle and only two other tea
> drinkers. One drinks only iced tea and buys it already brewed. The other
> just buys it at Starbucks.

Different countries, different ways eh?

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:11:12 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:



>> I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
>> breastfeed adopted infants.
>
>Did you?
>--

Both our kids are adopted. Forty years ago though, thee was little
information available. My wife did look into it.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:11:12 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>
>
>>> I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
>>> breastfeed adopted infants.
>>
>>Did you?
>>--
>
> Both our kids are adopted. Forty years ago though, thee was little
> information available. My wife did look into it.

I wasn't asking you dear, I was asking Janet. I suppose as time goes on
more information becomes available and medical knowledge increases. I
wonder what the success rates are.

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On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:16:17 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > I don't know anyone else who has an electric kettle and only two other tea
> > drinkers. One drinks only iced tea and buys it already brewed. The other
> > just buys it at Starbucks.
>
> Different countries, different ways eh?
>
That's why I wondered about microwaves.

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On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:49:56 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
> >
> > Microwaved water is heated but rarely (except by pure luck) brought
> > exactly to the boil... not unless one futzes with resetting the timer
> > and futzes with a thermometer. I don't brew tea often but when I do I
> > boil at least twice as much water as will fill the cup(s), the cup(s)
> > is/are first filled with boiling water to heat the cup, that water is
> > dumped out and freshly boiled water is used to brew tea... any tea
> > drinker knows that the cup(s) or teapot is first heated before tea is
> > actually brewed. Brewing tea in a cold vessel will not produce a
> > proper tea. Naturally those who are satisfied with pish vasser it
> > matters not how one prepares tea... at most all restaurants the best
> > one can hope for is tepid tea... order tea and they bring a cup of
> > tepid water with a cheapo teabag on the side.
>
> Blimey! Someone who knows how to make a proper pot of tea)
>
> --
****h tosh. That's the old fashioned way. I've learned how to do
both at the same time in the microwave = heat the water inside the
teapot. The water comes out hot enough to make tea (I don't care if
it boils or not as long as it's super hot - water stops boiling as
soon as you pour anyway), the pot comes out already warmed and then
the teaball goes in.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:16:17 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> > I don't know anyone else who has an electric kettle and only two other
>> > tea
>> > drinkers. One drinks only iced tea and buys it already brewed. The
>> > other
>> > just buys it at Starbucks.
>>
>> Different countries, different ways eh?
>>
> That's why I wondered about microwaves.

Yep, and if you don't ask you don't know I've had microwaves since the
70s.
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> wrote in message
...

>>> Oh and they also have (and have had for about ten years) a stair lift.
>>
>>Not yet for me, but one day maybe ...
>>
>>--
> Well at the time it was that or move, they elected the stair lift and
> it is the sole reason they can manage now.

Oh yes, I wasn't decrying it Just saying I don't need it right now, but
come the day ...

When I go over, I put my
> suitcase on it and send it upstairs, really nice

Heh very useful I would be using it take all sort of stuff up and down if
I had one. Heck why tote stuff yourself

>
> Everything is global now, any appliances I can buy here, they can buy
> there, should they want them. Whether everyone can afford an
> appliance they want here, or there, depends on budget.
>
> I would safely say, England/Europe is no longer back in the Dark
> Ages

Well given the comments about kettles and microwaves, I would agree

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:35:31 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

>On Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:03:45 AM UTC-4, sf wrote: I'm thinking about getting electric kettles for my
>>
>> kids who live where it's much warmer in the summer (but no air
>>
>> conditioning) and would appreciate it... especially the one that makes
>>
>> French press coffee every morning. The other one has a drip coffee
>>
>> maker.

>Does the kid have ample storage room for a kettle?

My BrAun kettle is more tall than wide, has a very small foot print,
one of the few appliances that stays on my kitchen counter all the
time, gets used several times every day... even more cost/time
efficient for warming a small amount of water for wetting a cotton
ball to clean cat's ears, takes longer and wastes more energy and
water waiting for warm water from the tap.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I have one friend who is a
> tea drinker and I bought her an electric kettle. She had never heard of
> them. She boiled her kettle dry then began using pans to heat the water,
> boiling them dry too. She's elderly and getting a bit forgetful. She loves
> the electric kettle because if she forgets about it (which she often does),
> it will just shut off and not boil dry. Of course when she does this, she
> has to start all over again but I suppose that is better than wrecking all
> of her pans.

She needs to buy an inexpensive Revereware tea kettle. Once the water
starts to boil, it whistles very loudly so she won't forget she turned
it on.

G.

In article >, says...
>
> Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > I have one friend who is a
> > tea drinker and I bought her an electric kettle. She had never heard of
> > them. She boiled her kettle dry then began using pans to heat the water,
> > boiling them dry too. She's elderly and getting a bit forgetful. She loves
> > the electric kettle because if she forgets about it (which she often does),
> > it will just shut off and not boil dry. Of course when she does this, she
> > has to start all over again but I suppose that is better than wrecking all
> > of her pans.
>
> She needs to buy an inexpensive Revereware tea kettle. Once the water
> starts to boil, it whistles very loudly so she won't forget she turned
> it on.

Which would only work as a reminde if she was still in earshot, but
forgetful older people may have gone out or to bed or be rather deaf.

Janet UK.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:33:59 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> On 10-Aug-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>> > On 8/10/2013 7:21 AM, Yellow wrote:
>> > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>> >
>> > A kettle is not required to boil water.
>> >
>> > Jill
>>
>> And - tea is not required to sustain life, or even to enjoy life.
>
> oh yes it is :-)
>
> Janet UK

And I'll bet every kitchen in the UK has an electric kettle... one of
the more useful, compact, and inexpensive household appliances...
certainly far more useful, inexpensive, and less space wasting than
obese food precessors and stand mixers.

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:33:59 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >, says...
> >>
> >> On 10-Aug-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 8/10/2013 7:21 AM, Yellow wrote:
> >> > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
> >> >
> >> > A kettle is not required to boil water.
> >> >
> >> > Jill
> >>
> >> And - tea is not required to sustain life, or even to enjoy life.
> >
> > oh yes it is :-)
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> And I'll bet every kitchen in the UK has an electric kettle... one of
> the more useful, compact, and inexpensive household appliances...
> certainly far more useful, inexpensive, and less space wasting than
> obese food precessors and stand mixers.

Not just every home kitchen. Virtually every hotel, guest house and
BB provides guests with an electric kettle in their rooms, plus a tray
of what they need to make hot drinks.
Also very common student kit; my kids all took an electric kettle to
keep in their college room when they left home.

Janet UK.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> I've had microwaves since the
> 70s.

They were very expensive back then. :-O

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> I've had microwaves since the
>> 70s.
>
> They were very expensive back then. :-O

All I remember is it was VERY basic.
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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:18:52 +0100, Yellow > wrote:

>< lallin writes:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> > Yellow wrote:
>> > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>> >
>> > A kettle is not required to boil water.
>> >
>> > Jill
>>
>> And - tea is not required to sustain life, or even to enjoy life.
>
>If you believe that, you are probably not making the tea correctly.
>
>For black tea, the water needs to be fresh and boiling and if you like
>it white, you need milk, not cream.

Jill probably does tea like my ex mil and most restos... pour hot
water into a cold cup, carry it twenty yards to the table and then
bring a fercocktah no name teabag containing tea leaf dust, saved from
the Chinese take out so folks can plop it into water about the
temperature of fresh ****... this ensures that the tea bag isn't so
extracted from the get-go that four people can share it... my ex mil
was a great hostess, she at least asked to determine who liked their
tea the strongest and so handed the teabag to those in order of
preference, the one who liked strongest got the teabag first... if
Jill starts a new teabag on Sunday by Saturday she's enjoying dirty
socks water. LOL

Gary wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I do
>> hope Cheryl enjoys her new electric kettle. The one I have heats on the
>> stovetop and whistles when the water is ready.
>
>The revereware kettle, by any chance?
>I used to have one of those.

They're pretty disgusting, it's near impossible to clean the crud
buildup inside... I had one that riveled Howe Cavern's stalagmites and
stalagtites, and stank like the bubbling sulfer pools at Yellowstone.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:39:10 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:34:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 8/10/2013 8:54 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:49:22 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/10/2013 4:18 PM, Yellow wrote:
>>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10-Aug-2013, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/10/2013 7:21 AM, Yellow wrote:
>>>>>>>> Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A kettle is not required to boil water.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And - tea is not required to sustain life, or even to enjoy life.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you believe that, you are probably not making the tea correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> For black tea, the water needs to be fresh and boiling and if you like
>>>>> it white, you need milk, not cream.
>>>>>
>>>> So, are you a MIF?
>>>
>>> I had to re-read that... at first I thought you were asking if they
>>> were a MILF...
>>>
>>No, I meant Milk In First. As in tea...
>
>Thanks. I had a big night...

NOWHG

Anyway that's not factual... it's T&W first... MIL

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:07:21 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 01:19:22 +0800, JBurns >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>For me it was the lazy persons way, as well as all the good reasons!
>>Breast feed until they are old enough to have cow's milk without
>>sterilisng bottles.
>>
>>Mind you, breast feeding can be very difficult at times and some women
>>can just not produce the amount, or any milk, but every day that you
>>can is of benefit to the child's immune system.
>>
>>JB
>
>Definitely lazy at 2a.m. to have it on tap

Many nursing mothers express milk into bottles and store it in the
fridge to use at those inconvenient times... what do you think breast
pumps are for?

>Yes, there are a few
>people who cannot, in the old days that was the idea behind wet
>nurses.

What old days... there are still wet nurses, more than ever .

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:36:55 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> On 8/10/2013 9:45 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>> > On Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:55:43 AM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
>> >> Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
>> >>
>> >> one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
>> >>
>> >> so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
>> >>
>> >> small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
>> >>
>> >> coffee a while ago.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It's this model:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
>> >
>> >
>> > a. Made in China?
>> >
>> > b . Have you tested it against just a pan of water on the stove or in the mike?
>> >
>> > Is time so precious that an extra minute will matter much?
>> >
>> Yes, actually. But it isn't about a minute. It's a full kettle for
>> whatever I need scalding hot water for. I think it's a good idea to have.
>>
>
>Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
>the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
>water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.

Those things are a costly way to have hot water, they work like a
typical tank type hot water heater absd have a poor recovery rate...
it's wasteful to maintain hot water 24/7 even if not used, and 190ºF
is not hot enough for properly brewing tea... you must be used to
resto pish vasser. An electric tea kettle works like a tankless
on-demand water heater, and it gives you boiling water, 212ºF.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:36:59 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>
>> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
>> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
>> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
>
> 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
>water dispensers are no good for making tea.

True... and when placed into a cold cup water drops another 20º.
And those thingies will not give you hot water anytime you want it,
they have rather small capacity and e **** poor recovery rate... only
the first cup will be 190ºF, unless one waits a few minutes the next
cup will be about 150ºF, by the third cup it'll be bath water.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:56:52 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>Janet wrote:
>>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>> > Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
>> > the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
>> > water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
>>
>> 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
>> water dispensers are no good for making tea.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
>They're adjustable, the more expensive ones do 200F.

Yeah, $200 for a silly gizmo vs a $40 electric kettle... and 200º
still ain't boiling water.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:59:39 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 10-Aug-2013, "Pete C." > wrote:
>
>> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
>> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
>> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
>
>Perhaps they are better now; but, what a waste of money and effort mine
>were. I owned 3 during twenty of the past 35 years; all were Kenmore,
>manufactured by and identical to the, then top-rated, In-sink-a-rator
>brand. All three were repaired multiple times (replaced thermal
>switches a couple of times, tank seam leak once) before ultimate failure
>of the heating element.
>
>I no longer buy and maintain worthless gewgaws, gimcracks and doodads
>that "save time and efffort". My life is improved by no longer having a
>hot water dispenser, ice cube maker or garbage disposal. The amount of
>time and effort saved is not by installing these things but by getting
>rid of them.

I concur. Some monkeys will buy every POS advertized on TV.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> >jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> I do
> >> hope Cheryl enjoys her new electric kettle. The one I have heats on the
> >> stovetop and whistles when the water is ready.
> >
> >The revereware kettle, by any chance?
> >I used to have one of those.
>
> They're pretty disgusting, it's near impossible to clean the crud
> buildup inside... I had one that riveled Howe Cavern's stalagmites and
> stalagtites, and stank like the bubbling sulfer pools at Yellowstone.

We threw out our first one because of the calcium buildup inside and
just bought a new one. When the wife moved away, she took that new one
with her. I just use a small pot to boil water now. The revereware
kettles are nifty looking and cheap enough though. I wouldn't buy
another but it would be a nice Christmas gift to me.

G.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:30:58 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>> >> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>> >> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>> >> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>> >> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>> >
>> > I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most nourishing
>> >and safest way
>>
>> Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>
> I'm surprised you don't know that adoptive mothers can and do
>breastfeed adopted infants.
>
> http://breast-feeding.adoption.com/
>
> Induced lactation is not new, it's been going on for centuries.

'Zactly! I've heard restaurants in the UK are serving human breast
milk ice cream by the scoop... I'll have a couple of D cups!

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:09:35 -0300, wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:40:12 +0100, Yellow > wrote:
>>
>>I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V. It
>>makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
>>every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.
>
>Why ? Mine here does everything the one my friend in the UK does.

Available voltage has little to do with a kettle's efficiency

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:38:57 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>Yellow wrote:
>>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> >
>> > Yellow wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In article om>,
>> > > says...
>> > > >
>> > > > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
>> > > > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
>> > > > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
>> > > > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
>> > > > coffee a while ago.
>> > > >
>> > > > It's this model:
>> > > > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
>> > > >
>> > > > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
>> > > > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
>> > > > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
>> > >
>> > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>> >
>> > Most of us heat our cup of water in the microwave in about a minute and
>> > a half. Some of us have "instant" hot water dispensers at our sinks so
>> > we can fill the cup with near boiling water in about two seconds. In
>> > years past it was common to have a water kettle you'd put on your stove
>> > (hob) to heat, but those have largely fallen from favor.
>>
>> I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V.
>
>I'm not sure why there is always this misunderstanding. In the US we
>have 120/240V as our normal residential service, while out general
>purpose outlets are typically 20A 120V, 240V circuits are very common
>for larger appliances.
>
>> It makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
>> every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.
>
>Send me a 240V UK kettle, and I'll have a 240V receptacle in place for
>it with about 30 minutes of work.

In the US service voltage from the street is 240V, upon entering the
home voltage is split so that most circuits are 120V. 120V is far
safer. In the UK folks are more frugal and wiring the entire
residence for 240V costs less, but not very safe. It's more efficient
to transport electric at higher voltages so that's what's used outside
by the utility companys... much of the high tension wires are at 440V,
and even higher over longer distances, then stepped down at the
service with transformers. Where I live houses are a good distance
apart so every residence has its own step down transformer.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:00:42 -0300, wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:02:11 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:24:13 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a small propane burner for power out times, ironically when
>>>> Hurricane Juan visited and I lived out of town and lost power for ten
>>>> days I had to part with it to a couple along the way with new born
>>>> infant and no way to heat bottles. IMO that was a great case for
>>>> breast feeding but I held my tongue
>>>
>>> I never needed to hear a case! To me it was the natural, most nourishing
>>>and safest way
>>>
>>>--
>>
>>
>>Sure, tell that to adoptive parents. Maybe you can teach them.
>
>Well in actual fact there is a hormonal treatment that can be given if
>an adoptive mum wants to breast feed, not sure that's desirable, but
>it can be done.

With hormonal treatments males can breast feed too... at one time long
long ago they probably did, that's probably why they have nipples.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:16:42 +0100, Yellow > wrote:

>In article >, gravesend10
says...
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:21:41 +0100, Yellow > wrote:
>>
>> >In article om>,
>> says...
>> >>
>> >> Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
>> >> one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
>> >> so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
>> >> small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
>> >> coffee a while ago.
>> >>
>> >> It's this model:
>> >> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
>> >>
>> >> I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
>> >> and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
>> >> customer reviews, but I took a chance.
>> >
>> >Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
>>
>> Finally a stupid question... one can boil water in any pot, even in a
>> tin can.
>
>Do you prefer your tin can over an open fire or do you use an indoor
>candle?

Um, a candle produces an open fire.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:21:53 +0100, Yellow > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> Cheryl wrote:
>> >
>> > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
>> > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
>> > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
>> > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
>> > coffee a while ago.
>> >
>> > It's this model:
>> > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
>> >
>> > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
>> > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
>> > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
>> >
>>
>> How much tea do you drink each morning? My microwave heats my coffee
>> water in 1:35. Those electric kettles are great if you need a large
>> amount of hot water for tea for a group, or for various cooking needs,
>> but aren't real efficient for a cup or two.
>
>An electric kettle is the single most efficient way to boil water on the
>simple condition that you only boil what you need. And that is true even
>if you only need a cup or two.

Exactly the same applies to a microwave, or any method. The one thing
that make an electric kettle more efficient than a microwave is its
thermostically controlled.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:10:25 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/10/2013 4:21 PM, Yellow wrote:
>
>>
>> An electric kettle is the single most efficient way to boil water on the
>> simple condition that you only boil what you need. And that is true even
>> if you only need a cup or two.
>>
>
>How much more efficient than a microwave?

A lot more efficient unless your microwave has a probe so that it
turns off as soon as the water reaches 212ºF.. I had an old GE nuker
that had a probe, worked very well for cooking stews, much better than
today's slow cookers... the probe worked even better than the electric
kettle's thermostat because it maintained the set temperature rather
than shut off.

On 11/08/2013 1:56 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>> An electric kettle is the single most efficient way to boil water on the
>> simple condition that you only boil what you need. And that is true even
>> if you only need a cup or two.
>
> Exactly the same applies to a microwave, or any method. The one thing
> that make an electric kettle more efficient than a microwave is its
> thermostically controlled.
>


It takes my electric kettle less than two minutes boil enough water to
make 6 cups of coffee in the French press.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:49:56 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:07:29 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/10/2013 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:00:05 -0500, "Pete C." >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How much tea do you drink each morning? My microwave heats my coffee
>>>>> water in 1:35. Those electric kettles are great if you need a large
>>>>> amount of hot water for tea for a group, or for various cooking needs,
>>>>> but aren't real efficient for a cup or two.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it is just me, but the microwaved water seems to affect the
>>>> taste of the tea, but I cannot imagine why it would. Maybe because
>>>> the teas is put into the heated water instead of the water poured over
>>>> the tea.
>>>>
>>>Simple solution for that: pour the microwave heated water over the tea.
>>
>> Microwaved water is heated but rarely (except by pure luck) brought
>> exactly to the boil... not unless one futzes with resetting the timer
>> and futzes with a thermometer. I don't brew tea often but when I do I
>> boil at least twice as much water as will fill the cup(s), the cup(s)
>> is/are first filled with boiling water to heat the cup, that water is
>> dumped out and freshly boiled water is used to brew tea... any tea
>> drinker knows that the cup(s) or teapot is first heated before tea is
>> actually brewed. Brewing tea in a cold vessel will not produce a
>> proper tea. Naturally those who are satisfied with pish vasser it
>> matters not how one prepares tea... at most all restaurants the best
>> one can hope for is tepid tea... order tea and they bring a cup of
>> tepid water with a cheapo teabag on the side.
>
>Blimey! Someone who knows how to make a proper pot of tea)

I have a vast teapot collection, many kinds of tea in vast quantity,
all sorts of tea cozys and other tea paraphenalia... however I rarely
indulge in "pond water" myself, but many of my guests are from the UK
and from Belize (British Honduras), and I do much of the brewing. My
parents also sipped a lot of tea, brewed in a samovar and drunk from a
tall glass, they were from Latvia. And I have relatives in Argentina,
they drink a brewed beverage", it's not tea, it's some kind of brewed
leaves that're mildly narcotic, they sip it constantly through a
silver straw-like device that has a perforated bulb at the end. Here,
if you think the Japanese tea ceremony is complicated... click on the
mate beverage link at the top of the page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage)

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 12:28:31 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:



> my ex mil
>was a great hostess, she at least asked to determine who liked their
>tea the strongest and so handed the teabag to those in order of
>preference, the one who liked strongest got the teabag first... if

Years ago I knew a woman that hung the bag to dry between uses. Not
sure how many times it was finally used though.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:49:56 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:07:29 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 8/10/2013 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:00:05 -0500, "Pete C." >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How much tea do you drink each morning? My microwave heats my coffee
>>>>>> water in 1:35. Those electric kettles are great if you need a large
>>>>>> amount of hot water for tea for a group, or for various cooking
>>>>>> needs,
>>>>>> but aren't real efficient for a cup or two.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it is just me, but the microwaved water seems to affect the
>>>>> taste of the tea, but I cannot imagine why it would. Maybe because
>>>>> the teas is put into the heated water instead of the water poured over
>>>>> the tea.
>>>>>
>>>>Simple solution for that: pour the microwave heated water over the tea.
>>>
>>> Microwaved water is heated but rarely (except by pure luck) brought
>>> exactly to the boil... not unless one futzes with resetting the timer
>>> and futzes with a thermometer. I don't brew tea often but when I do I
>>> boil at least twice as much water as will fill the cup(s), the cup(s)
>>> is/are first filled with boiling water to heat the cup, that water is
>>> dumped out and freshly boiled water is used to brew tea... any tea
>>> drinker knows that the cup(s) or teapot is first heated before tea is
>>> actually brewed. Brewing tea in a cold vessel will not produce a
>>> proper tea. Naturally those who are satisfied with pish vasser it
>>> matters not how one prepares tea... at most all restaurants the best
>>> one can hope for is tepid tea... order tea and they bring a cup of
>>> tepid water with a cheapo teabag on the side.
>>
>>Blimey! Someone who knows how to make a proper pot of tea)
>
> I have a vast teapot collection, many kinds of tea in vast quantity,
> all sorts of tea cozys and other tea paraphenalia... however I rarely
> indulge in "pond water" myself, but many of my guests are from the UK
> and from Belize (British Honduras), and I do much of the brewing. My
> parents also sipped a lot of tea, brewed in a samovar and drunk from a
> tall glass, they were from Latvia. And I have relatives in Argentina,
> they drink a brewed beverage", it's not tea, it's some kind of brewed
> leaves that're mildly narcotic, they sip it constantly through a
> silver straw-like device that has a perforated bulb at the end. Here,
> if you think the Japanese tea ceremony is complicated... click on the
> mate beverage link at the top of the page:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage)




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On 8/11/2013 2:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Years ago I knew a woman that hung the bag to dry between uses. Not
> sure how many times it was finally used though.
>
Blech.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 16:38:57 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Yellow wrote:
> >>
> >> In article >,
> >> says...
> >> >
> >> > Yellow wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > In article om>,
> >> > > says...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> >> > > > one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
> >> > > > so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> >> > > > small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
> >> > > > coffee a while ago.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It's this model:
> >> > > > http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I guess I could have found one cheaper but I like the look of this one
> >> > > > and I hope it lasts. No reviews and I hate buying things without
> >> > > > customer reviews, but I took a chance.
> >> > >
> >> > > Every household does not already have a kettle? How do you make tea?
> >> >
> >> > Most of us heat our cup of water in the microwave in about a minute and
> >> > a half. Some of us have "instant" hot water dispensers at our sinks so
> >> > we can fill the cup with near boiling water in about two seconds. In
> >> > years past it was common to have a water kettle you'd put on your stove
> >> > (hob) to heat, but those have largely fallen from favor.
> >>
> >> I guess it makes a difference that in the US, you only have 110V.
> >
> >I'm not sure why there is always this misunderstanding. In the US we
> >have 120/240V as our normal residential service, while out general
> >purpose outlets are typically 20A 120V, 240V circuits are very common
> >for larger appliances.
> >
> >> It makes the concept of an electric kettle, probably the one, single item
> >> every kitchen has in the UK, less useful.
> >
> >Send me a 240V UK kettle, and I'll have a 240V receptacle in place for
> >it with about 30 minutes of work.
>
> In the US service voltage from the street is 240V,

Wrong. It's 120/240V split-phase three wire service from the street.

> upon entering the
> home voltage is split so that most circuits are 120V.

Wrong. See above. Upon entering the home a ground is added and bonded to
the neutral from the street at the service entrance panel.

> 120V is far
> safer.

Wrong. There is no notable difference between 120V and 240V as far as
safety goes. 480V is when things start to get hairy, not from the
voltage itself or need for beefed up insulation, but rather from the
increase in potential arc flash energy available.

> In the UK folks are more frugal and wiring the entire
> residence for 240V costs less, but not very safe.

They use ring mains, enough said about their electrical aptitude...

> It's more efficient
> to transport electric at higher voltages so that's what's used outside
> by the utility companys...

You got that correct at least.

> much of the high tension wires are at 440V,

Nope, none is. They don't use anything under 7,200V for distribution.
480V is only used for industrial and large commercial buildings, and the
480V comes from the transformer at the building which is fed by a much
higher voltage.

> and even higher over longer distances, then stepped down at the
> service with transformers.

Much, much higher over long distanced, as in 500,000V and up. This is
stepped down at substations to street level distribution voltages, in
the 7-35KV or so range. The medium voltage distribution is then stepped
down to low voltage 120/240V or 240/480V by the transformers on the pole
or pad by the buildings.

> Where I live houses are a good distance
> apart so every residence has its own step down transformer.

Yep, they don't do 120/240V feeders on the poles if the houses are more
than 600' apart or so. Around here the houses are far enough apart that
it's either individual transformers or sometimes two houses on one
transformer since the house spacing isn't even.

In article >,
Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:36:59 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> >says...
> >
> >> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
> >> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
> >> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
> >
> > 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
> >water dispensers are no good for making tea.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Depends on the tea.
> When I make tea (every day) I stop heating the water before it boils.
> Most black teas brew best at about 205, many are better at lower
> temperatures. I drink various Ceylon loose teas, but the typical
> bags can take a bit more heat.

Yes. Darjeeling and green oolong and ti kuan yin are
best brewed at 170 to 180 deg F in my experience.

> As always, it is subject to taste, but here is a guide
> http://www.chefschoice.com/tips_m688.html

More people need to know this.

--
Michael Press

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/08/2013 1:56 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>>> An electric kettle is the single most efficient way to boil water on the
>>> simple condition that you only boil what you need. And that is true even
>>> if you only need a cup or two.
>>
>> Exactly the same applies to a microwave, or any method. The one thing
>> that make an electric kettle more efficient than a microwave is its
>> thermostically controlled.
>>
>
>
> It takes my electric kettle less than two minutes boil enough water to
> make 6 cups of coffee in the French press.
>
Dave:
What make is it? Mine takes "forever" and I put it down to the 1500W
element.
Graham

On 11/08/2013 4:19 PM, graham wrote:

>>> Exactly the same applies to a microwave, or any method. The one thing
>>> that make an electric kettle more efficient than a microwave is its
>>> thermostically controlled.
>>>
>>
>>
>> It takes my electric kettle less than two minutes boil enough water to
>> make 6 cups of coffee in the French press.
>>
> Dave:
> What make is it? Mine takes "forever" and I put it down to the 1500W
> element.


It is a Hamilton Beach cool touch cordless.

Janet > wrote:

> 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
> water dispensers are no good for making tea.

They are actually not at all bad for making some kinds of tea, not even
all that bad for most kinds of black tea. Water should not be actually
boiling, as in rolling boil - for any kind of tea. The optimal stage for
most black teas is the so-called "white boiling," the one immediately
preceding the rolling boil - and one at which the temperature is still
below the boiling point of 100°C. You can actually see that stage if
you boil water in a transparent vessel. You can also hear it - it is
the loudest stage - that is when you are supposed to take your kettle
off the fire (or switch it off) at once, not waiting for the stage to
end or even to proceed.

I've been posting about this for decades; here are a couple of examples:
> or
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.food.cooking/_xoFpRfNNys/nhJzdrGbpMYJ>
> or
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.food.cooking/c56FOPnwxPk/kU_bJ76UftgJ>

Of course, all of this only matters if one really does care about one's
tea, using tea and water of the highest quality. If one adds sugar,
milk or anything else, the above doesn't matter much at all. Often
enough I drink tea with lemon; I use boiling water to make it.

Victor