I have heard that people who have the gall bladders removed can eat all
sorts of foods that used to cause them gastric problems. I will get to
test that, not that I have joined the club. Last week I developed a
gastric problem that got progressively worse. My nephew's wife had
complained about a stomach flu and she told me it lasted 4 days.

Friday was Day 5 and my wife insisted I go to the ER in the morning. I
didn't have to get up early because I did not sleep a wink. There is no
wait at 6:30 am. I had X Rays, unltra soundd, blood tests and diagnosed
with a gall bladder problem. I was admitted and kept pain free.. and
food free ;-( and had me operation at noon Sunday. Because it had been
a particularly nasty one, I was kept in for two days to drain the cavity.

The surgeon just came to check me out. The nurse is getting my paperwork
and will pull out the drain and my IV, and my wife is on her way to pick
me up.


Wifi in the hospital..... now there is a big improvement in patient care.

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:41:19 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I have heard that people who have the gall bladders removed can eat all
>sorts of foods that used to cause them gastric problems. I will get to
>test that, not that I have joined the club. Last week I developed a
>gastric problem that got progressively worse. My nephew's wife had
>complained about a stomach flu and she told me it lasted 4 days.
>
>Friday was Day 5 and my wife insisted I go to the ER in the morning. I
>didn't have to get up early because I did not sleep a wink. There is no
>wait at 6:30 am. I had X Rays, unltra soundd, blood tests and diagnosed
>with a gall bladder problem. I was admitted and kept pain free.. and
>food free ;-( and had me operation at noon Sunday. Because it had been
>a particularly nasty one, I was kept in for two days to drain the cavity.
>
>The surgeon just came to check me out. The nurse is getting my paperwork
>and will pull out the drain and my IV, and my wife is on her way to pick
>me up.
>
>
>Wifi in the hospital..... now there is a big improvement in patient care.

I'm sorry to hear about your problems and so glad you listened to your
wife and got it fixed right away. I understand that kind of pain is
no fun. Take it easy and get well soon.
Janet US

Glad you got the offending organ removed. First I have heard of such a procedure aiding digestion. The folks I know in a similar circumstance have issues handing greasy foods. Hopefully you will skip that symptom.

On 8/20/2013 8:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I have heard that people who have the gall bladders removed can eat all
> sorts of foods that used to cause them gastric problems. I will get to
> test that, not that I have joined the club. Last week I developed a
> gastric problem that got progressively worse. My nephew's wife had
> complained about a stomach flu and she told me it lasted 4 days.

I am glad you got to it early enough that you didn't have major
complications. I'm guessing they did it laproscopically... a vast
improvement over the old open method.

One hint... while you can eat anything you want, avoid eating a lot of
fat for a while. Your gall bladder acts as a metering device, adding
bile to your digestive stream in measured amounts to help digest fat.
When it is gone, when you eat fat, that triggers the liver to make bile
which is then dumped into your digestive stream all at once. That much
bile will irritate your intestines and they will flood with liquid to
dilute the irritation... and you may well experience explosive, urgent
diarrhea.

Not fun and kind of scary if you don't know why it is happening. Two
weeks after my gall bladder surgery I had a wonderful dinner of fried
chicken, french fries... you get the idea. What happened about 30
minutes later was almost legendary.

I hope you have a quick and easy recovery.

George L

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...

> I am glad you got to it early enough that you didn't have major
> complications. I'm guessing they did it laproscopically... a vast
> improvement over the old open method.

I had mine done a long time ago and it was the old open method. Recovery
took much longer then. Much quicker now with less complications.

> One hint... while you can eat anything you want, avoid eating a lot of fat
> for a while. Your gall bladder acts as a metering device, adding bile to
> your digestive stream in measured amounts to help digest fat. When it is
> gone, when you eat fat, that triggers the liver to make bile which is then
> dumped into your digestive stream all at once. That much bile will
> irritate your intestines and they will flood with liquid to dilute the
> irritation... and you may well experience explosive, urgent diarrhea.
>
> Not fun and kind of scary if you don't know why it is happening. Two
> weeks after my gall bladder surgery I had a wonderful dinner of fried
> chicken, french fries... you get the idea. What happened about 30 minutes
> later was almost legendary.

lol BTDT
--
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On 8/20/2013 10:07 AM, George Leppla wrote:
> On 8/20/2013 8:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> I have heard that people who have the gall bladders removed can eat all
>> sorts of foods that used to cause them gastric problems. I will get to
>> test that, not that I have joined the club. Last week I developed a
>> gastric problem that got progressively worse. My nephew's wife had
>> complained about a stomach flu and she told me it lasted 4 days.
>
> I am glad you got to it early enough that you didn't have major
> complications. I'm guessing they did it laproscopically... a vast
> improvement over the old open method.
>
> One hint... while you can eat anything you want, avoid eating a lot of
> fat for a while. Your gall bladder acts as a metering device, adding
> bile to your digestive stream in measured amounts to help digest fat.
> When it is gone, when you eat fat, that triggers the liver to make bile
> which is then dumped into your digestive stream all at once. That much
> bile will irritate your intestines and they will flood with liquid to
> dilute the irritation... and you may well experience explosive, urgent
> diarrhea.
>
> Not fun and kind of scary if you don't know why it is happening. Two
> weeks after my gall bladder surgery I had a wonderful dinner of fried
> chicken, french fries... you get the idea. What happened about 30
> minutes later was almost legendary.
>
> I hope you have a quick and easy recovery.
>
> George L
>
Sounds like good advice from one who has been there!

Dave, feel better soon. But don't over-do the "I can eat anything"
notion.

Jill

On 20/08/2013 10:07 AM, George Leppla wrote:

> Not fun and kind of scary if you don't know why it is happening. Two
> weeks after my gall bladder surgery I had a wonderful dinner of fried
> chicken, french fries... you get the idea. What happened about 30
> minutes later was almost legendary.

Hold it. What are you saying?... that it used to hit you thirty minutes
later and now it doesn't? I was looking forward to being able to eat
the occasional order of deep fried fish and chips, though the cardiac
diet recommends I avoid that. I never could handle greasy food. I would
have loved to be able to grab an order of chips from a chip truck but
never dared to because what was sure to happen within a half hour.... or
much less.


>
> I hope you have a quick and easy recovery.
>

Thanks. This laproscopic surgery was a piece of cake compared to the
heart surgery. It took me almost 6 months to get back to where I am
after just two days after the GB.

On 8/20/2013 5:22 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 20/08/2013 10:07 AM, George Leppla wrote:
>
>> Not fun and kind of scary if you don't know why it is happening. Two
>> weeks after my gall bladder surgery I had a wonderful dinner of fried
>> chicken, french fries... you get the idea. What happened about 30
>> minutes later was almost legendary.
>
> Hold it. What are you saying?... that it used to hit you thirty minutes
> later and now it doesn't?


Yes... the body acclimates and adjusts to not having a gall bladder
after time. It learns how to not dump so much bile at once and how to
deal with what is dumped better.


>I was looking forward to being able to eat
> the occasional order of deep fried fish and chips, though the cardiac
> diet recommends I avoid that. I never could handle greasy food.

Everyone is different. Sounds like you were dumping bile directly into
the intestine already. Just be aware that this can happen and take
things slowly and see how you react.


> Thanks. This laproscopic surgery was a piece of cake compared to the
> heart surgery. It took me almost 6 months to get back to where I am
> after just two days after the GB.

Laproscopic surgery is a great step forward in medicine. It has
limitations and some drawbacks but all in all, it is a pretty wonderful
medical advance. I've had both kinds (lap and open) and if given a
choice, I would take lap surgery any day.

George L

On 20/08/2013 6:30 PM, George Leppla wrote:

>
>> Thanks. This laproscopic surgery was a piece of cake compared to the
>> heart surgery. It took me almost 6 months to get back to where I am
>> after just two days after the GB.
>
> Laproscopic surgery is a great step forward in medicine. It has
> limitations and some drawbacks but all in all, it is a pretty wonderful
> medical advance. I've had both kinds (lap and open) and if given a
> choice, I would take lap surgery any day.
>

My father had his out around 1961-62. He had an incision more than a
foot long and a drain in it for the two weeks he was hospitalized. I
had to stay for two nights after but most people go through the two hour
procedure and two hour recovery.

On 8/20/2013 8:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I have heard that people who have the gall bladders removed can eat all
> sorts of foods that used to cause them gastric problems. I will get to
> test that, not that I have joined the club. Last week I developed a
> gastric problem that got progressively worse. My nephew's wife had
> complained about a stomach flu and she told me it lasted 4 days.
>
> Friday was Day 5 and my wife insisted I go to the ER in the morning. I
> didn't have to get up early because I did not sleep a wink. There is no
> wait at 6:30 am. I had X Rays, unltra soundd, blood tests and diagnosed
> with a gall bladder problem. I was admitted and kept pain free.. and
> food free ;-( and had me operation at noon Sunday. Because it had been
> a particularly nasty one, I was kept in for two days to drain the cavity.
>
> The surgeon just came to check me out. The nurse is getting my paperwork
> and will pull out the drain and my IV, and my wife is on her way to pick
> me up.
>
>
> Wifi in the hospital..... now there is a big improvement in patient care.

Gosh, Dave!!! Best wishes for a speedy recuperation

Sky

--

Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

Sky wrote:
> Gosh, Dave!!!
WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!

Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?

One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.

Now **** off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.

I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.

And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.

Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.

Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.

MBKC

On 8/20/2013 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

> The surgeon just came to check me out. The nurse is getting my paperwork
> and will pull out the drain and my IV, and my wife is on her way to pick
> me up.

I'm sure the last thing you wanted to be is in the hospital, I'm glad
you're on your way home. Feel better!

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> Feel better!
>
> nancy
WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!

Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?

One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.

Now **** off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.

I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.

And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.

Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.

Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.

MBKC

On 20/08/2013 11:22 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/20/2013 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> The surgeon just came to check me out. The nurse is getting my paperwork
>> and will pull out the drain and my IV, and my wife is on her way to pick
>> me up.
>
> I'm sure the last thing you wanted to be is in the hospital, I'm glad
> you're on your way home. Feel better!
>
>
I was expecting to get into the ER early, get a prescription for stomach
flu and get back home. Then I expected to be home by Sunday night. I was
disappointed to find out they were keeping me overnight, and even more
disappointed to have to stay another night. But... it wasn't so bad.
They nursing staff were great. The beat was comfortable, and last night
my wife brought my laptop and I spent most of my time online.



There are two bonuses to this adventure. Just before I had the heart
surgery my wife talked me into a home care extended insurance plan.
Within two months I made a claim. I got $350 for having been in
hospital for more than three days and $150 "hospital cash" plus other
stuff for mileage and parking for my wife to come and visit every day
and I ended up getting just under $1000 for my 8 days. It looks like I
will be able to claim at least $500 for this one. Almost worth it.

The other benefit was that I had a great book. I read the first half of
it after being admitted and while waiting for surgery. I finished it
after the surgery. Since it was the only book I started over yesterday
afternoon. I realized how much I had missed thanks to the powerful pain
medication and I got to enjoy it all over. "The Book Thief" is one of
the most amazing books I have read in years.

On 8/20/2013 6:31 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 20/08/2013 11:22 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> I'm sure the last thing you wanted to be is in the hospital, I'm glad
>> you're on your way home. Feel better!
>>
>>
> I was expecting to get into the ER early, get a prescription for stomach
> flu and get back home. Then I expected to be home by Sunday night. I was
> disappointed to find out they were keeping me overnight, and even more
> disappointed to have to stay another night. But... it wasn't so bad.
> They nursing staff were great. The beat was comfortable, and last night
> my wife brought my laptop and I spent most of my time online.

Beats the time when you went in and stayed a much longer, much suckier time.

> There are two bonuses to this adventure. Just before I had the heart
> surgery my wife talked me into a home care extended insurance plan.
> Within two months I made a claim. I got $350 for having been in
> hospital for more than three days and $150 "hospital cash" plus other
> stuff for mileage and parking for my wife to come and visit every day
> and I ended up getting just under $1000 for my 8 days. It looks like I
> will be able to claim at least $500 for this one. Almost worth it.

Your wife was smart. I don't know what that policy is about but it
has worked out for you.
>
> The other benefit was that I had a great book. I read the first half of
> it after being admitted and while waiting for surgery. I finished it
> after the surgery. Since it was the only book I started over yesterday
> afternoon. I realized how much I had missed thanks to the powerful pain
> medication and I got to enjoy it all over. "The Book Thief" is one of
> the most amazing books I have read in years.

I'll pick it up next time I hit the library. It must be good, they have
15 copies out.

nancy

On 2013-08-20 13:41:19 +0000, Dave Smith said:

> I have heard that people who have the gall bladders removed can eat all
> sorts of foods that used to cause them gastric problems. I will get to
> test that, not that I have joined the club. Last week I developed a
> gastric problem that got progressively worse. My nephew's wife had
> complained about a stomach flu and she told me it lasted 4 days.
>
> Friday was Day 5 and my wife insisted I go to the ER in the morning. I
> didn't have to get up early because I did not sleep a wink. There is no
> wait at 6:30 am. I had X Rays, unltra soundd, blood tests and diagnosed
> with a gall bladder problem. I was admitted and kept pain free.. and
> food free ;-( and had me operation at noon Sunday. Because it had been
> a particularly nasty one, I was kept in for two days to drain the
> cavity.
>
> The surgeon just came to check me out. The nurse is getting my
> paperwork and will pull out the drain and my IV, and my wife is on her
> way to pick me up.
>
> Wifi in the hospital..... now there is a big improvement in patient care.

Holy moly what a tale. Good thing/bad thing: at least your miseries
took a total of 8-9 days from soup to nuts.

Whatever the recovery regimen is--stick to it, and get well soon.

Dang what a tale...

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...

> The surgeon just came to check me out. The nurse is getting my paperwork
> and will pull out the drain and my IV, and my wife is on her way to pick
> me up.
>
>
> Wifi in the hospital..... now there is a big improvement in patient care.


Speedy recovery to you!

Cheri

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>I have heard that people who have the gall bladders removed can eat all
>sorts of foods that used to cause them gastric problems. I will get to
>test that, not that I have joined the club. Last week I developed a
>gastric problem that got progressively worse. My nephew's wife had
>complained about a stomach flu and she told me it lasted 4 days.
>
> Friday was Day 5 and my wife insisted I go to the ER in the morning. I
> didn't have to get up early because I did not sleep a wink. There is no
> wait at 6:30 am. I had X Rays, unltra soundd, blood tests and diagnosed
> with a gall bladder problem. I was admitted and kept pain free.. and food
> free ;-( and had me operation at noon Sunday. Because it had been a
> particularly nasty one, I was kept in for two days to drain the cavity.
>
> The surgeon just came to check me out. The nurse is getting my paperwork
> and will pull out the drain and my IV, and my wife is on her way to pick
> me up.
>
>
> Wifi in the hospital..... now there is a big improvement in patient care.

I don't know if the diet thing is true or not. Two people I know who had
their gallbladders removed, also have pancreas problems. They have to
severely limit fat, particularly animal fat. And no dairy.

On 8/20/2013 8:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I have heard that people who have the gall bladders removed can eat all
> sorts of foods that used to cause them gastric problems. I will get to
> test that, not that I have joined the club. Last week I developed a
> gastric problem that got progressively worse. My nephew's wife had
> complained about a stomach flu and she told me it lasted 4 days.
>
> Friday was Day 5 and my wife insisted I go to the ER in the morning. I
> didn't have to get up early because I did not sleep a wink. There is no
> wait at 6:30 am. I had X Rays, unltra soundd, blood tests and diagnosed
> with a gall bladder problem. I was admitted and kept pain free.. and
> food free ;-( and had me operation at noon Sunday. Because it had been
> a particularly nasty one, I was kept in for two days to drain the cavity.
>
> The surgeon just came to check me out. The nurse is getting my paperwork
> and will pull out the drain and my IV, and my wife is on her way to pick
> me up.
>
>
> Wifi in the hospital..... now there is a big improvement in patient care.

Hope you feel better soon. I had WiFi in the hospital, too. Didn't make
it any nicer for me. I am a nursing professional's worst nightmare.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 20/08/2013 5:46 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

>> Wifi in the hospital..... now there is a big improvement in patient care.
>
> Hope you feel better soon. I had WiFi in the hospital, too. Didn't make
> it any nicer for me. I am a nursing professional's worst nightmare.
>


I was no treat for them. They kept asking about my bowel movements.
After three loose stools I found myself under C-difficile protocol. I
was quarrantined and had to give them a stool sample. Some poor nurse
had to come and collect that. She was very graceful to take that and
talk to me and assure me that she had no problems with it at all. It
made me gag just to think about someone having to do that.

On 8/20/2013 6:36 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 20/08/2013 5:46 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>> Wifi in the hospital..... now there is a big improvement in patient
>>> care.
>>
>> Hope you feel better soon. I had WiFi in the hospital, too. Didn't make
>> it any nicer for me. I am a nursing professional's worst nightmare.
>>
>
> I was no treat for them. They kept asking about my bowel movements.
(snip)
> Some poor nurse
> had to come and collect that. She was very graceful to take that and
> talk to me and assure me that she had no problems with it at all. It
> made me gag just to think about someone having to do that.

It makes me gag to think of it, too. I feel sorry for the people who
have to perform colonoscopies.

Back to food: don't just assume you can eat anything you want to
immediately. Laproscopic or not, they just removed an organ. Your body
needs time to heal and adapt.

Jill

I had mine out. I still am able to eat as pre-removal. I sometimes wonder if it's a useless organ. Anyhow, it's an easy operation, at least mine was. Good luck.

wrote:
> Oh dear, bad luck !
WEBTV!!! ROFL!!!!

Bla bla bla, you're so clever. NOT! ROFL! And the webtv reference....
seriously? *You're* making fun of *me* with webtv? Do you not realize that
you have just validated everyone who has laughed at you for it?

One note... you can't lay off the crossdressing stuff in your lame attempt
at humor. You got caught on it already, and we all know about it, and "I
know you are but what am I" doesn't fix it.

Now **** off and die, you phony little pussy, and next time you decide to
start flinging shit at people outside your own back yard, try to prepare
your freeble little mind for the fact that you need to be willing to take
what you dish out, because someone may do the same thing back at you. If
you're going to keep being a pussy who wants to give shit but screams like a
sissy baby when you get it back, you'll just spend your sad little life
going through episodes like this where your true nature is revealed to all.

I'm done with you now, shithead. That is, unless you want more.

And unless you decide to resume making personal attacks on people who are
trying to discuss reasonable things. A little good natured banter between
rivals is fine, but you cannot seem to understand why it's offensive to
invade other forums and turn on a tirade of hateful personal attacks on
individuals. So if you go that route again, I'll be back on your ass, with
Goatboy, Ronald, and a bunch more tasty morsels. And go ahead and post all
the stupid shit you want in the Chiefs forums... you're not getting any
action because they are too smart to take your juvenile bait.... and
besides, yuou're just not funny.

Now please refrain from being an asshole and I will do the same.... or not,
your choice.

Besides, I can be a much bigger asshole than you when provoked, so do the
smart thing while you have this one opportunity at a truce.

MBKC